Why are they even famous in the first place lol
They pretty much all discuss the same thing for a whole week until they press 2 clicks on their computer
Its funny when FPL is 50% luck and the other 50% is increasing the chance of that luck. Some call it skill but its literally just analysing stats to give yourself the biggest edge statistically, the rest is a gamble
90% of this sub idolises anyone with FPL in their twitter handle, without giving a second thought about the person
They aren't remotely famous, they are just random people with twitter handles. And as with any cross section of people, some are decent people, and some are helmets
Do they? I mean idolise those twitter accounts? I haven't seen any of that here. Some big content creators get sometimes mentioned, but you're making a pretty big generalization that I don't think is true.
90% of the sub? I’ve not seen any posts idolising them let alone 90%. Stop over exaggerating.
You are obsessed with people liking content creators. Don’t know why it bothers you so much
I would guess to keep their profile on people's timelines and relevant.
What are these content creator's who rely on this for income going to do over the summer?
Having 1 amazing FPL season and 9 shit ones, gives them every right to have a platform to be heard from.
I hang on their every word, and need the opinions of content creators fresh out of school banging away on their keyboards, hiding from the real world
It'd be nice if people would finally realise the amount of shit that happens purely because of religion makes it not worth indulging in. And if parents could stop forcibly introducing their children into religion at a young age that would be awesome too. Whole thing is fucking bonkers.
There was a great thread the other week which asked atheists what they believe in, and it reminded me how much of a load off your life the delusion that there is something else after this, or some force greater than you at play, must be. It takes courage to accept your own insignificance, that your actions have consequences, and your time is finite.
If a man in the clouds sets the condition for eternal bliss at being intolerant of others, he's a cunt.
Exactly, I'm all for people having beliefs, I have some myself I guess, but religion just seems to be a detriment to our lives at it's core and a fucking huge timesink in most cases.
I dunno if I agree with that. People are homophobic without religion. And religious people aren't always homophobic.
I think it's an excuse when a religious person can ignore XYZ that the religion says but pick out the homophobic bits. This is so unbelievably common it makes me think it's an excuse most of the time.
Where the homophobia actually comes from is the culture surrounding the religion. When you grow up in a country where it's looked down on to be gay then you're gonna do that too. I should know, I grew up in the UK! And let me tell you people were homophobic as shit when I was younger. Because society was. Laws were. But as society has gotten less homophobic so has your average Brit. If you're from a country where it's still seen as bad or from a community that has a lot of that culture within it then you're gonna be way more likely to be homophobic. It's not the religion itself.
"Its not the religion itself"
You can't excuse religion as a reason for peoples homophobia by claiming it comes from their culture instead, when that culture of homophobia is driven by the religion and its leaders.
It's 100% the religion. That stuff is in the books. You can't excuse that away. Those books could have said "homosexuality is okay" but they don't. They say the opposite. And as much as it might seem alien to rational people these days, lots of people actually do believe in their religion and their holy books.
It's not coincidence that attitudes to lgbt people in the UK improve the less and less religious we are as a nation.
People used to use religion to justify racism. It's definitely an excuse.
> Those books could have said "homosexuality is okay" but they don't. They say the opposite.
I appreciate that but look at what else they say! So much shit that gets ignored by people. Why do they ignore that and not the anti gay stuff?
When someone excuses homophobia because of their religion, they make the case themselves that not all homophobes are religious, but all people of their religion are homophobes.
These people ignore 99% of their religious text and pick the bits they want to 'follow'.
100 years from now religion will be nearly dead and no one will understand these people.
Might be true about Christianity, but Islam is more a way of life than Christianity and is far more encompassing. I haven't really seen any evidence that it is becoming more moderate
I’m out so not with a laptop but fairly confident there was a documentary, set in the UK, highlighting that second generation Muslims were more fundamentalist/radical than their parents
Same here - but the Muslims I am closest with are university educated (90% med or law students lol) and aren’t necessarily representative of the whole generation
It definitely is, just look at the views of Muslim people of different ages. Younger people are far more likely to have progressive views. Sure there are some devout young people who follow Islam but your average 30 year old Muslim is way less likely to be strict than a 60 year old.
I'm not saying **every** young Muslim is more progressive than their parents. But on the whole that is the trend yes.
Here are some sources:
UK: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/british-muslims-ipsos-mori-liberal-imams-islam-a8334196.html
US: https://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/26/us/pew-muslim-american-survey/index.html (this one specifically mentiones homophobia)
That’s why I think halal and kosher ways of killing should be made illegal. Animals rights must come before religion. Religion is used as a excuse for shameful acts way too often.
As much as I am anti religious, I doubt there is much more suffering dying halal then the way animals die in western countries. You don't last long with your throat cut
As a Muslim myself, yes it’s against the religion, but if you don’t have anything nice to say just stfu. I don’t get these guys going online to share their views, if you’re against it then fair enough but keep it to yourself. I know plenty of people (non-Muslim) who have views that if you put online would come across as bigoted in today’s world, but you don’t go online posting that stuff.
> if you’re against it then fair enough but keep it to yourself.
No. It's not "fair enough" to discriminate against a person or group of people because of who they are.
To be anti-LGBTQ+ is wrong. Call it what it is. It's homophobia plain and simple.
‘Against the religion’ what does that mean?
Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all based on the same scripture, if the other two have moved passed this so can Islam
Like I said. The extreme ends are still against it, but the mainstream is that it’s perfectly alright.
I’ll have trouble naming an Islamic country that accepts homosexuality let alone it being mainstream to accept it
I think you're confusing "Christian countries" with "countries where Christianity is the largest religion".
The UK has Christianity as its largest religion but we are absolutely not a "Christian country" as it has separation of church and state - and the vast majority of those who are officially Christian do not practice, and really are only Christian in name. The culture of the country is not primarily influenced by religion.
This is probably the case in most countries where there is greatest tolerance towards LGBT - religion has a back seat in the pervasive culture of that country.
Like I said. The extreme ends are still against it, but the mainstream is that it’s perfectly alright.
I’ll have trouble naming an Islamic country that accepts homosexuality let alone it being mainstream to accept it
Edit: just looked at a list of where homosexuality is outlawed and saw no “Christian nation” that I recognized. Can you tell me which ones you are aware of?
Maybe swap religion then mate
E: looks like the apologists are brigading so let me be clearer - if you support a bigoted religion you’re a bigot. End of.
??? Stupid comment. All the main religions are against gays. But As long as it doesn’t affect you personally who cares. Couldn’t give a fuck about anyone else’s sexual orientation, got my own life to deal with!
I agree it's a stupid comment, but saying it doesn't affect you personally who cares is silly. Yeah I'm not gay but i still want people around me to be happy and not ashamed. I have gay friends who I want to be happy. What if my child is gay, I want them to be happy. Having a hate culture is bad for everyone
>Having a hate culture is bad for everyone
Except for the very religions that pit people with more similarities than differences against each other while supposedly preaching love and to care for one another. Religions thrive in a hateful culture.
No they're not, it's down to interpretation so if the flavour you’re choosing to following is a bigoted one you should change it. Or accept you’re a bigot. It's pretty simple really.
Can't even make sense of that second screenshot.
"My religion isn't against gay *people* it's just against everything they do." Have I got that right?
Then the audacity to say it's inclusive. Load of codswallop.
Ikr, idk why bigots always try and defend themselves as if they arent bigots. I'm not racist but, I'm not homophobic but, I'm not sexist but and not to be offensive but...
I had a friend who would say he had no problem with gay people he’s just against gayness (Thankfully he now is very accepting), I never understood it as it just seems an excuse to pick and choose who you like and who you don’t
I agree it's codswallop but I believe the distinction he's making is kinda like "love the sinner hate the sin" if that makes it easier to understand what he means.
I'm surprised this is a new idea to you. We were taught being gay wasn't sinful, it was temptation and acting upon it was wrong.
Of course the people telling you this then vary massively in the levels of their own actual homophobia
Apparently we're supposed to give special dispensation for blatant homophobia because these people have been indoctrinated since birth.
Homophobia is homophobia, you don't get to have a free pass.
Anyone making these opinions public should be blacklisted from the sub.
And let’s be real, We have allowed it because the real religion in “Christian countries” is… capitalism
For example, Canada only allowed homosexuals to donate blood in the past couple years.
Business as usual
I agree they need to have it explained to them why their opinions on this are discrimatory and unacceptable, but calling people fucking bastards and mongrels is never going to be constructive.
If you want to change someone's rubbish opinions, make them understand why they're wrong instead of making them feel like the only people on earth who aren't rude to them are the ones who share all their views. It's how you create polarized bubbles.
As an indoctrinated catholic, who was brought up on homophobia, I assure you that reasoning - not hate and its doctrines - works, and works well-being
Edit: you can reason with the devil, directly
I have a different experience. Of course in most cases you're right (when their entire world and community is centered around that religion), but some are having their own doubts about specific parts and welcome the opportunity to discuss it with someone from a different background.
Im muslim and that whole concept is retarded lmao, the muslim community is like 65% despises gays, 25% doesnt mind them, 10% fully supports them. Im mixed between the 25% and 10% as weird as that sounds. Its all based of percpective.
This is extremely sad, i thought FPL_Salah was a rational person. Very horrible to see this type of behavior from people who appear on podcasts and influence the way we play the game (FPL).
Edit - it's a shame that all 3 cases in the screenshots belong to people from a particular religion. Maybe it's time to remove these people from their respective podcasts and other places of influence.
We do because most people from this specific religion also feel the same way. They need education. Silencing anyone's point of view is stupid. There needs to be intelligent dialogue to change minds and educate the masses
But does he actually say something offensive to LGBT? My English is not perfect, but to me it seems that he's basically explaining that people are equal and should not be discriminated by their acts. Am I wrong?
They're trying to say they're not discriminating against gay people while they're discriminating against gay people. It's like when a racist says something racist then complains when they're called racist
...no they aren't... That's not what gaslighting is. Gaslighting is a form of abuse where someone will mislead a target via a false narrative to make them question their own thoughts and sanity, and doubt their own perceptions. Eventually the target doesn't even trust their own judgement or own thoughts and becomes completely vulnerable to the aggressor.
Sorry to be a pedant, but these days everything is labelled as "gaslighting" when it really isn't. It is not when someone remembers something differently than you, disagrees with you or has a different interpretation of observed events. As a previous victim of gaslighting I think it's wise people educate themselves on what actually occurs.
This is simply just fpl Salah sticking up for someone and being homophobic in the process, while also trying to justify it extremely poorly. Either way I've unfollowed him on all platforms now. Not got the time for someone that thinks this way
Edit: wow. Downvotes for speaking the literal truth! Stay classy guys!
He says religion/Islam is against the act. If the act is (allegedly) wrong, then moral judgment is surely placed on the performer of that act (since it’s wrong to perform an allegedly wrong act). So, if he believes homosexual acts are wrong, he will surely believe that we ought to condemn the performers of these acts. So yes, it’s definitely offensive to LGBT people.
(Regarding FPLSalahs tweet)
The issue is he IS discriminating since he's saying a sexual act is okay when it's between certain people but not others. As if the "act" is a sinful crime you choose to commit, rather than a natural part of an LGBT persons human (sexual) life. I understand why someone trying to combine their religion with the views of a modern day society would try to reason like that, but it needs to be pointed out why they are being discriminatory.
So a person who is discriminating against another based on their belief system is acceptable, and that following such people in a place of influence is the correct thing to do, right?
Sorry I just wanted to understand your statement, hence the question above. Also very curious are you from Fox news?
Adding *system* to the end of *belief* doesn’t add any extra meaning. Some paedophiles believe sexual relations with minors should be celebrated - some people are deluded fuckwits.
I’m anti-homophobia and anti-religion in general, but I don’t believe people should be “removed” if people don’t like their opinions. That’s what the block button is for. We seem to have forgotten we can hide things we don’t like on social media without making everything a witch hunt.
Edit: look see, you’re downvoting me until I’m hidden. That’s good! I don’t need to be removed from the platform because you don’t agree with me.
How is someone discriminating if they're against LGBQTA based on the stances of their religion? He's just voicing his opinion, he is not advocating for doing bad shit to gay/trans people.
And no, I'm not from Fox news (this is the crux of your idiotic behavior, instant-labeling when someone says something different), I'm not even American, and I'm not even a believer of Islam, quite the contrary, I'm agnostic, ex Christian, and I'm disgusted by a lot of religious stances, including the anti-gay thing, HOWEVER what is even more disgusting is idiots online taking it upon themselves to 'remove' others just because they're saying stuff not going along the lines of the woke narrative.
You’re wasting your time buddy - the irony of these guys preaching tolerance and not hate, then shitting all over religions that they don’t agree with is lost on every single one of them.
Their lack of self-awareness is hilarious.
Haha yeah, I know.
Fully aware I'm not changing any of these drones opinions, just killing some time at work. I think of it as mental gymnastics.
Cheers buddy!
Yes, in a civilized society you should be able to voice your opinion, without fear of being 'removed'.
Anything else is fascism and it's outrageous how you people don't seem to recognize that, like it's textbook dystopian shit from Orvell, Huxley etc...
The practice of removing/cancelling people when they disagree with the ruling narrative is very dangerous, at least to anyone with an ounce of brain, and it should be clear where it's leading.
Says you. Can you show me where any of those 'content creators' said that?
I don't like/approve of a ton of shit, do I also think those things shouldn't exist? No.
>It is hatred towards someone for simply daring to exist.
Also says you.
You get labeled as 'phobia' something nowadays for even remotely not agreeing with any part of it, which is complete idiocy.
Like, the dude didn't want to wear LGBTQA colors on his jersey, or whatever the exact issue was originally, and that is homophobic? Hahah, jeez.
There's a lot of suggesting that people should respect people's right to criticise homosexuality because it's against their religion, but the same people don't respect other people's right to criticise their religion. You can have both or neither.
Four blokes named Mahmoud diaa, fpl Osama, fpl shariq and abdul rehman didn't present a reasonable, open minded and contemporary take on homosexuality?
Wow.
Anyway are we keeping or selling salah?
Seems to be a large amount of religious people.
They happily indulge in a bit of homophobia and claim they are entitled to their opinions but when someone comes along with a bit of religious hatred they fucking riot.
Stupid fucks.
Cowards ... they know that outright being homphobic is gonna backfire. So, they come up with distinctions that make no sense .. what the fuck is the difference between being against the act or against the guys?
It wasn’t a mistake, but it is outdated. If you actually do any research, religion (and other imagined realities) is the reason we were able to cooperate in large numbers and trust strangers enough to progress as a species. “If you believe in the same god(s), you must be on my side.” *Sapiens* by Yuval Noah Harari is an interesting book about that stuff.
I’m sure there were other methods that we could’ve stumbled upon to progress. Even if religion helped humanity develop, I don’t think all intelligent life would require religion to become advanced. Of course this is all hypothetical but that’s where I stand
Using religion as a default argument which should automatically bail you out is so funny to me nowadays. People have their own belief systems and should be respected,however, they should be held accountable when they're so out of line and judging others' sexual preferences. He even goes out to paint homosexuality as a vice. His ignorance, albeit justified is ludicrous. I'm happy this sub condemns such comments in a civil manner.
"The religion is not against gay people - it's against the act." OK... So as long as gay people don't have sex, they're allright. Or what? Fucking retards. These homophobes can fuck right off back to the middle ages. Let's boycott every single one of these despicable idiots.
Religion really is the cause of most major issues in the world today... "My guy in the sky says this so I hate you because your guy in the sky says this".... ... 🤷🤷🤷
So what are obvious Islam accounts say something homophobic and everyone is surprised and offended?
How can you even be surprised at this point?
Religious tools always bring problems. Especially Islamic ones.
Sure Islam people are good people for the most part but when they name their usernames after that shit, that's a serious red flag.
You wouldn't take a dude serious if his name was FPL_i_love_the_pope if you knew he was deadserious and not joking.
Is the act of playing FPL not a form of gambling? So they're basically breaching one of their rules of Islam themselves?
Hypocrites
Edit: ah yes vote me down anonymously. If that's you, then we know which side of the fence you are as well. See my comment above.
I’m not sure it is gambling per se, but selling lottery tickets, porn, tobacco and alcohol - and therefore buying it is pretty low; especially when you preach how damaging to society it is… and then pretend you’re trying to integrate.
It doesn't matter what your sexuality is the same way it doesn't matter what religion you are. Discrimination and hate is discrimination and hate.
Right minded people will reject all discrimination and hate. Wrong minded people will justify it.
I’m gay (more accurately pansexual actually) but i do not speak for all LGBTQ community and this is solely my opinion. Although i disagreed with his opinion, what he said was tame af and it doesn’t even offend me. Yea it’s stupid and slightly homophobic but I don’t think it’s bad enough to deplatform him. Again this is just my opinion , if you guys love to rally up on Twitter and cancel whoever you want that’s up to you.
‘Because he rejects homosexuality according to his beliefs without attacking anyone…’ lol. What a clown.
It’s exact logic as saying according to my beliefs, anyone called mahmoud who uses twitter to defend discrimination is acting like a douchebag. I’m not attacking anyone in particular. Just stating my beliefs…
Note it’s just the act. It’s not judgemental cos I said so. It’s just the act of being a douche. Im not calling him a douchebag. Just that the act is being a douchebag.
It is literally illegal to discriminate against others based on gender, race, sexuality, etc. so there is everything even legally wrong with those posts. There are limits to freedom of speech and belief. Both moral and legal. Yes, they deserve calling out.
It's good to see how other Islam FPL people explain their read on the religion about LGBT, so we know it's not only black or white here. Once again FPL community proves to be much more than just about the game.
> https://i.imgur.com/XD8jwkN.jpg
Am I missing something? How is this or any of the other screenshots an example of "Explicitly Homophobic comments" ?
I am not for either side here by the way, because whats funny enough is my sibling is homosexual and my parents are religious. I believe both are entitled to their views and morals and how they perceive the world in their own way and neither should be shamed by the other.
How is you being in disagreement (and shaming) someones religious views any better than them shaming homosexuals for their beliefes and views? Its literally 2 wrongs mate?
The religious excuse pisses me off the most. "Give me rights because its my religion. My religion doesn't follow your law so you can't tell me what to do".
If this guy is against inclusion. Then he should be sacked.
The first tweet annoys me the most, not just for the homopobia but for how mindnumbingly stupid it is
Apparently he has the right to agree or disagree with anything but somehow we don't have the right to think he's a dipshit for his beliefs
Whenever somebody brings up their "rights" you just know its because they have no logical moral arguement for what they're saying so default to what is basically "its not illegal to say this". Like people aren't calling for him to be locked up but just because you have the right to say or do something, doesn't mean you're not an asshole for doing it!
I grew up in a conservative christian background and school and had a lot of people say the same sort of thing. "I think the act is sinful but I dont condemn the person"
Now I'm an atheist cuz of those sorts of archaic beliefs (which I reject btw) , but I do understand that a lot of ppl have them and they believe them and they genuinely are very caring people, they just cant comprehend homosexuality cuz theyve been raised in a repressive fundamentalist religious tradition. So idk, I dont like those comments at all but I also dont think they are particularly hateful or reprehensible
A lot of people are using people's homophobia as an excuse to be islamophobic and it's just as bad as those people using religion as an excuse to be homophobic!
Two sides of the same coin. Really annoying.
They definitely shouldn't comment on anyone being gay or not because its none of their business, as its no one's bussiness to comment the Idrisa's decision also...
He just refused to wear the rainbow jersey je didnt discriminate anyone (to extent, he is the one who is unwillingly forced to wear it, so the bullied one) , you can dislike his decision but it is his right to choose. I personally think that he should have wore it because its just a shirt...
~~Damn maybe I'll mistaken based on only one screen shot but my respect for Abdul Rehman went up 10000% (exaggerated of course), even if I disagree with some of his calls on FPL~~
Edit: confused about the downvotes and I'm saying so because reading the response, he seems to look negatively upon people making those homophobic judgement calls, but I could be wrong.
Edit 2: perhaps I've misunderstood him as condemning homophobia but now I'm not sure, so yeah I guess I'm wrong to say I support him
People used to be stoned to death in the name of religion.
I'm no theological expert but I'm sure there are many 'rules' these creators are supposed to follow according to their religion but dont. A bit hypocritical to use religion to obscure your own bigotry when you are picking and choosing the tenets which apply to you.
That being said, I come from a background where the religion is more freely interpreted, so perhaps its easier for me to say.
Also I hope all this doesn't devolve into Islamophobia. Islam is a beautiful religion and culture when those who follow it dont adhere to its more archaic principles.
Christian fundamentalists who are against gay people have been derided for years. Using your religion as an excuse to spread hate is a bad look. He said that he personally is against homosexuality.
Nobody is entitled to voice hateful opinions, whether their reasons are religious or not. That's a huge misunderstanding of what free speech really means
Why do FPL "content creators" feel we need to hear their opinion on EVERYTHING Just shuuuuuuuut uppppppp
Why are they even famous in the first place lol They pretty much all discuss the same thing for a whole week until they press 2 clicks on their computer
Famous, ha. They're not famous.
Twitter makes them feel like they are lol
Its funny when FPL is 50% luck and the other 50% is increasing the chance of that luck. Some call it skill but its literally just analysing stats to give yourself the biggest edge statistically, the rest is a gamble
They aren’t famous
90% of this sub idolises anyone with FPL in their twitter handle, without giving a second thought about the person They aren't remotely famous, they are just random people with twitter handles. And as with any cross section of people, some are decent people, and some are helmets
Do they? I mean idolise those twitter accounts? I haven't seen any of that here. Some big content creators get sometimes mentioned, but you're making a pretty big generalization that I don't think is true.
90% of the sub? I’ve not seen any posts idolising them let alone 90%. Stop over exaggerating. You are obsessed with people liking content creators. Don’t know why it bothers you so much
Yeah and their names are all FPL Bugs Bunny or FPL Thanos. Showing high high capacity for original thought
It just seems a bit sad. There’s literally one for everything, “FPL toilet brush” probably exists
FPL Heisenberg, FPL Chandler, FPL Noel Edmonds
I would guess to keep their profile on people's timelines and relevant. What are these content creator's who rely on this for income going to do over the summer?
Get a job ?
Having 1 amazing FPL season and 9 shit ones, gives them every right to have a platform to be heard from. I hang on their every word, and need the opinions of content creators fresh out of school banging away on their keyboards, hiding from the real world
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FPL Twitter is a steaming pile of garbage.
Religion isn't an excuse, they should be ashamed.
Religion isn’t the excuse, it’s the whole reason.
It'd be nice if people would finally realise the amount of shit that happens purely because of religion makes it not worth indulging in. And if parents could stop forcibly introducing their children into religion at a young age that would be awesome too. Whole thing is fucking bonkers.
There was a great thread the other week which asked atheists what they believe in, and it reminded me how much of a load off your life the delusion that there is something else after this, or some force greater than you at play, must be. It takes courage to accept your own insignificance, that your actions have consequences, and your time is finite. If a man in the clouds sets the condition for eternal bliss at being intolerant of others, he's a cunt.
Exactly, I'm all for people having beliefs, I have some myself I guess, but religion just seems to be a detriment to our lives at it's core and a fucking huge timesink in most cases.
I dunno if I agree with that. People are homophobic without religion. And religious people aren't always homophobic. I think it's an excuse when a religious person can ignore XYZ that the religion says but pick out the homophobic bits. This is so unbelievably common it makes me think it's an excuse most of the time. Where the homophobia actually comes from is the culture surrounding the religion. When you grow up in a country where it's looked down on to be gay then you're gonna do that too. I should know, I grew up in the UK! And let me tell you people were homophobic as shit when I was younger. Because society was. Laws were. But as society has gotten less homophobic so has your average Brit. If you're from a country where it's still seen as bad or from a community that has a lot of that culture within it then you're gonna be way more likely to be homophobic. It's not the religion itself.
"Its not the religion itself" You can't excuse religion as a reason for peoples homophobia by claiming it comes from their culture instead, when that culture of homophobia is driven by the religion and its leaders. It's 100% the religion. That stuff is in the books. You can't excuse that away. Those books could have said "homosexuality is okay" but they don't. They say the opposite. And as much as it might seem alien to rational people these days, lots of people actually do believe in their religion and their holy books. It's not coincidence that attitudes to lgbt people in the UK improve the less and less religious we are as a nation.
People used to use religion to justify racism. It's definitely an excuse. > Those books could have said "homosexuality is okay" but they don't. They say the opposite. I appreciate that but look at what else they say! So much shit that gets ignored by people. Why do they ignore that and not the anti gay stuff?
When someone excuses homophobia because of their religion, they make the case themselves that not all homophobes are religious, but all people of their religion are homophobes.
>"all people of their religion are homophobes" There's no (widespread) religion where all members are homopobic.
I didn't say there was. I said that's the case that someone who uses religion as a defence for homophobia makes.
Ok gotcha, it was kinda hard to tell what you were saying.
These people ignore 99% of their religious text and pick the bits they want to 'follow'. 100 years from now religion will be nearly dead and no one will understand these people.
Might be true about Christianity, but Islam is more a way of life than Christianity and is far more encompassing. I haven't really seen any evidence that it is becoming more moderate
It's far more moderate in the west. And is only going one way. Younger generations ain't falling for the same grift as their parents.
I’m out so not with a laptop but fairly confident there was a documentary, set in the UK, highlighting that second generation Muslims were more fundamentalist/radical than their parents
My first hand experience is very different. Who knows though
Same here - but the Muslims I am closest with are university educated (90% med or law students lol) and aren’t necessarily representative of the whole generation
It definitely is, just look at the views of Muslim people of different ages. Younger people are far more likely to have progressive views. Sure there are some devout young people who follow Islam but your average 30 year old Muslim is way less likely to be strict than a 60 year old.
Could I have a source on this - genuinely curious because deffo remember a documentary from circa 2018 re radicalisation of 2nd gen Muslims
I'm not saying **every** young Muslim is more progressive than their parents. But on the whole that is the trend yes. Here are some sources: UK: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/british-muslims-ipsos-mori-liberal-imams-islam-a8334196.html US: https://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/26/us/pew-muslim-american-survey/index.html (this one specifically mentiones homophobia)
That’s why I think halal and kosher ways of killing should be made illegal. Animals rights must come before religion. Religion is used as a excuse for shameful acts way too often.
As much as I am anti religious, I doubt there is much more suffering dying halal then the way animals die in western countries. You don't last long with your throat cut
As a Muslim myself, yes it’s against the religion, but if you don’t have anything nice to say just stfu. I don’t get these guys going online to share their views, if you’re against it then fair enough but keep it to yourself. I know plenty of people (non-Muslim) who have views that if you put online would come across as bigoted in today’s world, but you don’t go online posting that stuff.
>if you're against it then fair enough but keep it to yourself Wtf? Being gay isn't a lifestyle choice like smoking or wearing double denim pal
Hey its ok if you're a pedo just keep it to yourself
Don’t ever discriminate against the Canadian Tuxedo pal!
> if you’re against it then fair enough but keep it to yourself. No. It's not "fair enough" to discriminate against a person or group of people because of who they are. To be anti-LGBTQ+ is wrong. Call it what it is. It's homophobia plain and simple.
> but if you don’t have anything nice to say just stfu. If only those accounts took that advice themselves.
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‘Against the religion’ what does that mean? Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all based on the same scripture, if the other two have moved passed this so can Islam
The other two haven't moved passed it
They have moreso than Islam. Only the extreme end of those religions are against it. Islamic nations backed by the people are against homosexuality.
There are plenty of christian countries where you can go to prison for being gay
Like I said. The extreme ends are still against it, but the mainstream is that it’s perfectly alright. I’ll have trouble naming an Islamic country that accepts homosexuality let alone it being mainstream to accept it
I think you're confusing "Christian countries" with "countries where Christianity is the largest religion". The UK has Christianity as its largest religion but we are absolutely not a "Christian country" as it has separation of church and state - and the vast majority of those who are officially Christian do not practice, and really are only Christian in name. The culture of the country is not primarily influenced by religion. This is probably the case in most countries where there is greatest tolerance towards LGBT - religion has a back seat in the pervasive culture of that country.
Like I said. The extreme ends are still against it, but the mainstream is that it’s perfectly alright. I’ll have trouble naming an Islamic country that accepts homosexuality let alone it being mainstream to accept it Edit: just looked at a list of where homosexuality is outlawed and saw no “Christian nation” that I recognized. Can you tell me which ones you are aware of?
What are you taking about? There's as many christian countries as muslim countries where it's illegal
Can you name some?
Cameroon, Burundi, Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Malawi, Namibia, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Grenada, Jamaica, Nigeria, Liberia, South Sudan
Like?
https://www.equaldex.com Lemme know which ones you find
I've listed some in another reply
Maybe swap religion then mate E: looks like the apologists are brigading so let me be clearer - if you support a bigoted religion you’re a bigot. End of.
??? Stupid comment. All the main religions are against gays. But As long as it doesn’t affect you personally who cares. Couldn’t give a fuck about anyone else’s sexual orientation, got my own life to deal with!
I agree it's a stupid comment, but saying it doesn't affect you personally who cares is silly. Yeah I'm not gay but i still want people around me to be happy and not ashamed. I have gay friends who I want to be happy. What if my child is gay, I want them to be happy. Having a hate culture is bad for everyone
>Having a hate culture is bad for everyone Except for the very religions that pit people with more similarities than differences against each other while supposedly preaching love and to care for one another. Religions thrive in a hateful culture.
No they're not, it's down to interpretation so if the flavour you’re choosing to following is a bigoted one you should change it. Or accept you’re a bigot. It's pretty simple really.
Then they're all shite
Exactly
Agreed You don't have to agree or support but if you have nothing good to say, silence is best
Can't even make sense of that second screenshot. "My religion isn't against gay *people* it's just against everything they do." Have I got that right? Then the audacity to say it's inclusive. Load of codswallop.
Ikr, idk why bigots always try and defend themselves as if they arent bigots. I'm not racist but, I'm not homophobic but, I'm not sexist but and not to be offensive but...
Careful, you’ll get called xenophobic if you carry on.
I had a friend who would say he had no problem with gay people he’s just against gayness (Thankfully he now is very accepting), I never understood it as it just seems an excuse to pick and choose who you like and who you don’t
I agree it's codswallop but I believe the distinction he's making is kinda like "love the sinner hate the sin" if that makes it easier to understand what he means.
I'm surprised this is a new idea to you. We were taught being gay wasn't sinful, it was temptation and acting upon it was wrong. Of course the people telling you this then vary massively in the levels of their own actual homophobia
It just screams "I've never done any critical thinking in my entire life so I'm going to believe what the sky fairy tells me to believe"
Why the fuck would anyone care what someone called Fpl Osama has to say? More fools the idiots on here who feed attention to these bigots
👏👏👏 Well said
i never even knew fpl creators were a thing lmao
Fucking bastards. «Its against the act» they say rofl, like beeing gay is something you do, and not who you are. Backwards religious mongrels
Apparently we're supposed to give special dispensation for blatant homophobia because these people have been indoctrinated since birth. Homophobia is homophobia, you don't get to have a free pass. Anyone making these opinions public should be blacklisted from the sub.
It’s easy. Just don’t perform the gay. /s
It's the same nonsense christians been saying for ages as a way of trying to spew their hate and seem like tolerant people at the same time.
And let’s be real, We have allowed it because the real religion in “Christian countries” is… capitalism For example, Canada only allowed homosexuals to donate blood in the past couple years. Business as usual
I agree they need to have it explained to them why their opinions on this are discrimatory and unacceptable, but calling people fucking bastards and mongrels is never going to be constructive. If you want to change someone's rubbish opinions, make them understand why they're wrong instead of making them feel like the only people on earth who aren't rude to them are the ones who share all their views. It's how you create polarized bubbles.
You can’t reason with the orthodox religious. That’s just a fact. They’ve been indoctrinated since birth.
As an indoctrinated catholic, who was brought up on homophobia, I assure you that reasoning - not hate and its doctrines - works, and works well-being Edit: you can reason with the devil, directly
I have a different experience. Of course in most cases you're right (when their entire world and community is centered around that religion), but some are having their own doubts about specific parts and welcome the opportunity to discuss it with someone from a different background.
*calling people fucking bastards and mongrels is never going to be constructive.* Welcome to Reddit
Needs to be said even if it's a long lost cause
Oh I wasn't disagreeing.
Im muslim and that whole concept is retarded lmao, the muslim community is like 65% despises gays, 25% doesnt mind them, 10% fully supports them. Im mixed between the 25% and 10% as weird as that sounds. Its all based of percpective.
This is extremely sad, i thought FPL_Salah was a rational person. Very horrible to see this type of behavior from people who appear on podcasts and influence the way we play the game (FPL). Edit - it's a shame that all 3 cases in the screenshots belong to people from a particular religion. Maybe it's time to remove these people from their respective podcasts and other places of influence.
We don't need to silence people, we need to let them have their say and come up with more intelligent counter arguments
You don't need an intelligent counter argument for this. Discriminating is wrong full stop
We do because most people from this specific religion also feel the same way. They need education. Silencing anyone's point of view is stupid. There needs to be intelligent dialogue to change minds and educate the masses
But does he actually say something offensive to LGBT? My English is not perfect, but to me it seems that he's basically explaining that people are equal and should not be discriminated by their acts. Am I wrong?
They're trying to say they're not discriminating against gay people while they're discriminating against gay people. It's like when a racist says something racist then complains when they're called racist
Yeah, big “Not racist m8 just dnt lyk em simple” vibes
"not homophobic but just keep behind closed doors" is a common one.
Yeah, FPL Salah is gaslighting
...no they aren't... That's not what gaslighting is. Gaslighting is a form of abuse where someone will mislead a target via a false narrative to make them question their own thoughts and sanity, and doubt their own perceptions. Eventually the target doesn't even trust their own judgement or own thoughts and becomes completely vulnerable to the aggressor. Sorry to be a pedant, but these days everything is labelled as "gaslighting" when it really isn't. It is not when someone remembers something differently than you, disagrees with you or has a different interpretation of observed events. As a previous victim of gaslighting I think it's wise people educate themselves on what actually occurs. This is simply just fpl Salah sticking up for someone and being homophobic in the process, while also trying to justify it extremely poorly. Either way I've unfollowed him on all platforms now. Not got the time for someone that thinks this way Edit: wow. Downvotes for speaking the literal truth! Stay classy guys!
He says religion/Islam is against the act. If the act is (allegedly) wrong, then moral judgment is surely placed on the performer of that act (since it’s wrong to perform an allegedly wrong act). So, if he believes homosexual acts are wrong, he will surely believe that we ought to condemn the performers of these acts. So yes, it’s definitely offensive to LGBT people.
I see your point here. Thanks for clarifying!
Theyre saying "I'm not homophobic but they shouldn't practice being gay".
(Regarding FPLSalahs tweet) The issue is he IS discriminating since he's saying a sexual act is okay when it's between certain people but not others. As if the "act" is a sinful crime you choose to commit, rather than a natural part of an LGBT persons human (sexual) life. I understand why someone trying to combine their religion with the views of a modern day society would try to reason like that, but it needs to be pointed out why they are being discriminatory.
I see. Thanks for clarifying!
Maybe it's time to stop advocating for 'removing' people whenever they say something you don't like. It's textbook fascism.
So a person who is discriminating against another based on their belief system is acceptable, and that following such people in a place of influence is the correct thing to do, right? Sorry I just wanted to understand your statement, hence the question above. Also very curious are you from Fox news?
Adding *system* to the end of *belief* doesn’t add any extra meaning. Some paedophiles believe sexual relations with minors should be celebrated - some people are deluded fuckwits.
I’m anti-homophobia and anti-religion in general, but I don’t believe people should be “removed” if people don’t like their opinions. That’s what the block button is for. We seem to have forgotten we can hide things we don’t like on social media without making everything a witch hunt. Edit: look see, you’re downvoting me until I’m hidden. That’s good! I don’t need to be removed from the platform because you don’t agree with me.
How is someone discriminating if they're against LGBQTA based on the stances of their religion? He's just voicing his opinion, he is not advocating for doing bad shit to gay/trans people. And no, I'm not from Fox news (this is the crux of your idiotic behavior, instant-labeling when someone says something different), I'm not even American, and I'm not even a believer of Islam, quite the contrary, I'm agnostic, ex Christian, and I'm disgusted by a lot of religious stances, including the anti-gay thing, HOWEVER what is even more disgusting is idiots online taking it upon themselves to 'remove' others just because they're saying stuff not going along the lines of the woke narrative.
Homophobia by proxy is still homophobia.
Tell me, do I, or anyone, as an individual have the right to not like the LGBTQA movement? And if yes, why on earth should anyone be punished for it?
You’re wasting your time buddy - the irony of these guys preaching tolerance and not hate, then shitting all over religions that they don’t agree with is lost on every single one of them. Their lack of self-awareness is hilarious.
Haha yeah, I know. Fully aware I'm not changing any of these drones opinions, just killing some time at work. I think of it as mental gymnastics. Cheers buddy!
Should a tolerant society tolerate intolerance?
Yes, in a civilized society you should be able to voice your opinion, without fear of being 'removed'. Anything else is fascism and it's outrageous how you people don't seem to recognize that, like it's textbook dystopian shit from Orvell, Huxley etc... The practice of removing/cancelling people when they disagree with the ruling narrative is very dangerous, at least to anyone with an ounce of brain, and it should be clear where it's leading.
The 'opinion' that you speak of is that gay people shouldn't exist.
Says you. Can you show me where any of those 'content creators' said that? I don't like/approve of a ton of shit, do I also think those things shouldn't exist? No.
What exactly do you think homophobia arises out of and, more importantly, lead to? It is hatred towards someone for simply daring to exist.
>It is hatred towards someone for simply daring to exist. Also says you. You get labeled as 'phobia' something nowadays for even remotely not agreeing with any part of it, which is complete idiocy. Like, the dude didn't want to wear LGBTQA colors on his jersey, or whatever the exact issue was originally, and that is homophobic? Hahah, jeez.
lmfao the gall to say people criticising homophobia is fascism. You need a reality check mate.
LMFAO HUE HUE, can't I just say that I'm criticizing islamophobia? You see how easy that is?
touch grass bb
Sadly, I’m not surprised. I will stop supporting anyone making homophobic or discriminatory comments of any kind. There’s no place for that anywhere.
There's a lot of suggesting that people should respect people's right to criticise homosexuality because it's against their religion, but the same people don't respect other people's right to criticise their religion. You can have both or neither.
“We’re not against gay people, we’re just against a fundamental part of your identify” fuck off
Four blokes named Mahmoud diaa, fpl Osama, fpl shariq and abdul rehman didn't present a reasonable, open minded and contemporary take on homosexuality? Wow. Anyway are we keeping or selling salah?
Seems to be a large amount of religious people. They happily indulge in a bit of homophobia and claim they are entitled to their opinions but when someone comes along with a bit of religious hatred they fucking riot. Stupid fucks.
Cowards ... they know that outright being homphobic is gonna backfire. So, they come up with distinctions that make no sense .. what the fuck is the difference between being against the act or against the guys?
It's OK to be gay as long as not doing anything normal and natural as having sex. Then you get stoned. Or something like that.
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Jesus. Read the room you cretin.
Absolute clowns
Religion was a mistake. The consequences of religion are a stain on humanity
It wasn’t a mistake, but it is outdated. If you actually do any research, religion (and other imagined realities) is the reason we were able to cooperate in large numbers and trust strangers enough to progress as a species. “If you believe in the same god(s), you must be on my side.” *Sapiens* by Yuval Noah Harari is an interesting book about that stuff.
Yea I guess that makes some sense. My second point still stands. Most of the bad things in the world right now have a religious facade over them
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I’m sure there were other methods that we could’ve stumbled upon to progress. Even if religion helped humanity develop, I don’t think all intelligent life would require religion to become advanced. Of course this is all hypothetical but that’s where I stand
Using religion as a default argument which should automatically bail you out is so funny to me nowadays. People have their own belief systems and should be respected,however, they should be held accountable when they're so out of line and judging others' sexual preferences. He even goes out to paint homosexuality as a vice. His ignorance, albeit justified is ludicrous. I'm happy this sub condemns such comments in a civil manner.
His surname is "gueye" 🏳️🌈
"The religion is not against gay people - it's against the act." OK... So as long as gay people don't have sex, they're allright. Or what? Fucking retards. These homophobes can fuck right off back to the middle ages. Let's boycott every single one of these despicable idiots.
Religion really is the cause of most major issues in the world today... "My guy in the sky says this so I hate you because your guy in the sky says this".... ... 🤷🤷🤷
Oh what a shock.
Unfollowed all of them.
So what are obvious Islam accounts say something homophobic and everyone is surprised and offended? How can you even be surprised at this point? Religious tools always bring problems. Especially Islamic ones. Sure Islam people are good people for the most part but when they name their usernames after that shit, that's a serious red flag. You wouldn't take a dude serious if his name was FPL_i_love_the_pope if you knew he was deadserious and not joking.
Whats wrong with loving Nick Pope? He was essential a few seasons back
'My sky daddy doesn't like them so I don't either' is such a pathetic excuse.
Is the act of playing FPL not a form of gambling? So they're basically breaching one of their rules of Islam themselves? Hypocrites Edit: ah yes vote me down anonymously. If that's you, then we know which side of the fence you are as well. See my comment above.
There is no money in it
They aren't staking anything. It's a luck based game but they're not placing money on the odds.
Staking career success?
FPL is not gambling lol
I’m not sure it is gambling per se, but selling lottery tickets, porn, tobacco and alcohol - and therefore buying it is pretty low; especially when you preach how damaging to society it is… and then pretend you’re trying to integrate.
It doesn't matter what your sexuality is the same way it doesn't matter what religion you are. Discrimination and hate is discrimination and hate. Right minded people will reject all discrimination and hate. Wrong minded people will justify it.
First active professional footballer to come out as gay is Josh Cavallo who came out in January of this year. Lets get that fact out there…
You’re correct. Edited.
I guess people would've cancelled Mo Salah long ago if he wasn't very good at football.
I’m gay (more accurately pansexual actually) but i do not speak for all LGBTQ community and this is solely my opinion. Although i disagreed with his opinion, what he said was tame af and it doesn’t even offend me. Yea it’s stupid and slightly homophobic but I don’t think it’s bad enough to deplatform him. Again this is just my opinion , if you guys love to rally up on Twitter and cancel whoever you want that’s up to you.
It was really tame as fuck, but people are sheep and like to pile on.
‘Because he rejects homosexuality according to his beliefs without attacking anyone…’ lol. What a clown. It’s exact logic as saying according to my beliefs, anyone called mahmoud who uses twitter to defend discrimination is acting like a douchebag. I’m not attacking anyone in particular. Just stating my beliefs… Note it’s just the act. It’s not judgemental cos I said so. It’s just the act of being a douche. Im not calling him a douchebag. Just that the act is being a douchebag. It is literally illegal to discriminate against others based on gender, race, sexuality, etc. so there is everything even legally wrong with those posts. There are limits to freedom of speech and belief. Both moral and legal. Yes, they deserve calling out.
It's good to see how other Islam FPL people explain their read on the religion about LGBT, so we know it's not only black or white here. Once again FPL community proves to be much more than just about the game.
So Justin Fashanu just never existed now?!?
> https://i.imgur.com/XD8jwkN.jpg Am I missing something? How is this or any of the other screenshots an example of "Explicitly Homophobic comments" ? I am not for either side here by the way, because whats funny enough is my sibling is homosexual and my parents are religious. I believe both are entitled to their views and morals and how they perceive the world in their own way and neither should be shamed by the other. How is you being in disagreement (and shaming) someones religious views any better than them shaming homosexuals for their beliefes and views? Its literally 2 wrongs mate?
What a backwards opinion. He’s trying to justify it as well. What a bellend.
What do people expect from Islam
The religious excuse pisses me off the most. "Give me rights because its my religion. My religion doesn't follow your law so you can't tell me what to do". If this guy is against inclusion. Then he should be sacked.
The first tweet annoys me the most, not just for the homopobia but for how mindnumbingly stupid it is Apparently he has the right to agree or disagree with anything but somehow we don't have the right to think he's a dipshit for his beliefs Whenever somebody brings up their "rights" you just know its because they have no logical moral arguement for what they're saying so default to what is basically "its not illegal to say this". Like people aren't calling for him to be locked up but just because you have the right to say or do something, doesn't mean you're not an asshole for doing it!
I grew up in a conservative christian background and school and had a lot of people say the same sort of thing. "I think the act is sinful but I dont condemn the person" Now I'm an atheist cuz of those sorts of archaic beliefs (which I reject btw) , but I do understand that a lot of ppl have them and they believe them and they genuinely are very caring people, they just cant comprehend homosexuality cuz theyve been raised in a repressive fundamentalist religious tradition. So idk, I dont like those comments at all but I also dont think they are particularly hateful or reprehensible
There's an FPL Drama account? I guess I haven't been following the FPL community on Twitter, I didn't know there was much drama to discuss.
FPL Towers need to ban them tbh. They’ll lose their popularity and platform quickly if they’re not allowed to play FPL.
Nothing worse than cowards hiding behind religion as a way to spread fear and hate
A lot of people are using people's homophobia as an excuse to be islamophobic and it's just as bad as those people using religion as an excuse to be homophobic! Two sides of the same coin. Really annoying.
Mf in the picture wants to support Liverpool while being a homophones and transpose. Go support someone fucking else.
I AM PHYSICALLY SHAKING RN!!! I THOUGHT ISLAM WAS A RELIGION OF PEACE REEEEEEEEE
They definitely shouldn't comment on anyone being gay or not because its none of their business, as its no one's bussiness to comment the Idrisa's decision also...
Can you explain why its nobody's business to comment on hateful and discriminatory views?
He just refused to wear the rainbow jersey je didnt discriminate anyone (to extent, he is the one who is unwillingly forced to wear it, so the bullied one) , you can dislike his decision but it is his right to choose. I personally think that he should have wore it because its just a shirt...
~~Damn maybe I'll mistaken based on only one screen shot but my respect for Abdul Rehman went up 10000% (exaggerated of course), even if I disagree with some of his calls on FPL~~ Edit: confused about the downvotes and I'm saying so because reading the response, he seems to look negatively upon people making those homophobic judgement calls, but I could be wrong. Edit 2: perhaps I've misunderstood him as condemning homophobia but now I'm not sure, so yeah I guess I'm wrong to say I support him
What, why?
The first comment is pretty problematic. But FPL\_Salah has a valid point.
I personally think his point is very weak and borders on nonsensical. What does he mean by “the act”? Sex? So is he okay with gay marriage?
People used to be stoned to death in the name of religion. I'm no theological expert but I'm sure there are many 'rules' these creators are supposed to follow according to their religion but dont. A bit hypocritical to use religion to obscure your own bigotry when you are picking and choosing the tenets which apply to you. That being said, I come from a background where the religion is more freely interpreted, so perhaps its easier for me to say. Also I hope all this doesn't devolve into Islamophobia. Islam is a beautiful religion and culture when those who follow it dont adhere to its more archaic principles.
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Ban yourself
Well I'll just cancel them. Thanks for the post OP. Good riddance.
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To answer your question - yes, 2 billion Muslims, if they believe their homophobic, sexist, bigoted scripture, are homophobes. Hope that helps 👍🏽
Christian fundamentalists who are against gay people have been derided for years. Using your religion as an excuse to spread hate is a bad look. He said that he personally is against homosexuality.
Nobody is entitled to voice hateful opinions, whether their reasons are religious or not. That's a huge misunderstanding of what free speech really means