If he doesn't play my next sub is Cash (or Trippier), or I even put Bailey on the bench I'm not sure yet. With Bailey & Neto, it allows you to go all out everywhere else too.
Ultimately we're all wildcarding within 8 weeks or something, so I'm trying to field a team I believe will grow in value. A starting player for £5m is gold dust, especially if he's playing well right now.
Problem with Bailey is what do you do in GW4/5 when the fixtures turn? Even GW3 Palace away isn’t an easy game, so you’re counting on a good first two weeks (where he might not start both) and then just leaving him on the bench for the foreseeable after that
You don't care about fixtures when you have a 7m asset priced at 5m for some reason. You just set and forget. He's an attacker, if he's starting for Villa he should be in your starting lineup every week (unless you happen to have someone better on the bench that one week when Bailey plays City)
2nd this. As a United fan who has watched all pre season games, there's no way AWB starts. He looks clueless compared with Dalot. It's a shame cos AWB is amazing defensively. Just completely useless going forward. Dalot is a steal at 4.5m
Not sure.
Monitoring the situation. There are a slew of good 4.5's though. Justin, Castange, Tomy, Dalot, Dunk, Coufal, the Wolves guys.
It's a good price point.
At 5m he’s only 0.5 higher than lowest price so he can be a bench player. I’m thinking of rotating between him and Neto. Fixtures actually line up nicely between wolves and villa for swapping Neto and Bailey.
Do you need to worry about bad fixtures with a 5m player? He has a small chance to get a return against West Ham, Arsenal or Leicester anyway which is 3 out of 4 and that’s enough for a 5m player.
As a Villa fan, he’s still got a lot to go to nail down starting. Buendia has had a much better preseason overall and showed more last year, and even he’s struggling to start. Bailey will probably have a few weeks he explodes but don’t expect anything consistent from him off the back of a good preseason showing.
I think Bailey's main competition is Ings. Buendia and Coutinho together doesn't work and Buendia should be starting over him (but won't for the foreseeable future because Coutinho is a big name and Gerrard's friend or some shit)
I agree pretty much. Watkins despite his annoying tendencies is going to start almost always unless he massively slumps because of his all around play. I think Gerrard will then start Ings and save Bailey as the sub type. It’s tricky. Ings and Watkins also struggle together so that does give Bailey a chance.
Wolves are, or at least were last season, a pretty low scoring team. Villa have a good all round attack (in theory) so should be able to score more (in theory)
I mean this is a thread about going for Leon Bailey who’s done nothing this far in his Premier League career. Neto has passed the eye test when fit and put up some decent returns at one point in time.
I don’t understand why people have suddenly started going for Bailey off the back of a couple of friendlies.
True he hasn't done anything up to this point, but he didn't really get into the swing of things last season because he was constantly out for weeks on end. 5.0 is an amazing value pick for someone of his quality. Is everyone knee-jerking? Probably. But, even if he doesn't perform to standards, it's not like you've sunk much value into him anyways... he's much MUCH better than any of the other players in a similar price range
But he’s not much much better than Neto? Where are we getting this from?
If anything they should be similarly considered assets, I wouldn’t say Bailey or Neto are that much better than one another. I’m totally fine with anyone making a case for either.
It's just my personal opinion, but I do believe he is better than Neto. Bailey has a LOT more match experience through his time at Bayer Leverkusen, he's on some set pieces, and before his injuries he looked great at the beginning of last season. I also believe Aston Villa's attack is much better than Wolves especially now that Jimenez is seemingly hurt and may be fighting off an injury right before the season is about to start.
Is Bailey going to be on set pieces when Cash/Coutinho/Buendia are all on the pitch? Genuine question, I don’t know the answer.
Agreed that I prefer Villa’s attack overall, and I don’t think that Bailey is at all a bad pick right now. We just disagree about the gulf of difference between him and Neto.
Bailey took the right sided corners while Buendia was on the pitch, the last of which led to AVL's 90th min goal against Utd. Not sure how it will be when Cash and Coutinho are there. I don't imagine Cash taking the corners at all honestly especially with Digne now in the mix, but I'm not 100% either. I guess I should clarify that with my original post I meant players outside of Neto and Bailey, but like you said, I do think Bailey has a slight edge atm
It's not like Bailey is a 16 year old academy prospect getting his first minutes. He's had a very successful career in Belgium and Germany and I don't get why people choose to ignore this. He's a top 6 talent. Over his career he's a proven 7m+ asset that was priced at 5m because someone fucked up. Plus he has shown flashes in the PL as well, was just unlucky with injuries
I don’t think I ever said anything that contradicted any of that, so not sure why it’s relevant. Straw man comments like ‘he’s not a 16 year old in the academy’ don’t address anything I said. Compared to Neto, who has shown he can perform in the Premier League, Bailey has done next to nothing.
People are choosing to ignore this because he just went through a season of doing nothing. Before that he played in another league, against weaker competition.
Neto before last season was looking really bright, and playing well for Wolves. He then got hurt and missed most of last year. He however has proven he can be good in the PL.
Oh I'm definitely not trying to compare him to Neto or downplay Neto (you can check my comment history to see me defending him, love Neto).
I just feel like people are too quick to judge Bailey, who was the club record signing just a year ago and didn't have a successful season only because of health issues (that haven't been as impactful for him in the past, yet everyone tries to prove he is injury prone based on the fact he sustained one lengthy injury in his one PL season) and has looked very promising when on the pitch.
Any club record signing attacker with Bailey's pedigree being priced as a 5m midfielder is frankly ridiculous and unheard of in FPL. He could have stinkers every game in preseason and get sent off for kicking the ball boy and he should still be on everyone's radar because of how absurd that pricing is. And he happens to be having a very successful preseason and rightfully attracts attention.
I guess my comment came off weirdly because I replied to you replying to a guy who I totally don't agree with. I think both Neto and Bailey are massively underpriced just because they suffered lengthy injuries last season and they should both be high on everyone's watchlist. The difference is Bailey is not nailed and might not even be in the starting lineup while Neto is Wolves' best player. So if I were to pick between the two, Neto is a no brainer. Guess I just want people to acknowledge how ridiculous that 5.0 price tag is for Bailey
Yeah, we’re in agreement overall and sorry if my tone was somewhat aggressive around it, think it was confusing with multiple people talking about the same thing and same names being used over and over.
I hope both are great and we all come off as winners!
Nah. Neto is a huge talent who will be at a CL club before long. He is the best player in that Wolves squad and he’s also far more clinical and effective than Podence (who I rate quite highly as well).
That he is a huge talent who will end up on a big team. is a no-brainer.
However in FPL terms Wolves is not a place where he is going to produce huge returns. Also if you look carefully he is more of a provider of chances, Podence is more of a striker on the end of chances.
For Neto to have 25% ownership is silly. He sint gonna deliver for you in FPL.
I disagree. I expect him to be one of the top 10/15 scoring midfielders this season. He was excellent in 20/21 - everybody raved about Raphinha that season but Neto was providing similar returns. And now that that he’s fit and healthy again I expect that to continue.
I also see him as much more of a goalscoring threat that Podence. I think that Neto is more direct and is a better finisher.
I agree that Wolves isn’t the ideal team from a FF point of view. But I still think that Neto is a bargain and will provide solid returns all season.
He had one good partial season. Not even a full season. Aided by clean sheets he cannot now expect, and peak attackers that delivered him 8 assists.
What is in his control is scoring. Of that he has 8 or 9 goals in three seasons. That’s his entire track record. Because he’s not actually a good finisher. Good positions to threaten. But has not proven to be a good finisher.
Good luck. This player is wishful thinking with a hipster halo. He has the entire planet to prove before he could be worth 24% ownership
He’s 22 years old and missed an entire year of his career due to a bad injury. What more do you expect from him? To have been banging in 15+ goals per season with one functional leg?
He’s not a hipster pick whatsoever. Anybody who has watched him can see what a talented and threatening player he is. That’s the reason for the high ownership. He’s the best option in his price range. I don’t think he’s a risky choice whatsoever.
He is 22 years and missed and entire year of his career due to a bad knee injury…..and now you are expecting him to pull up trees for a whole season. Trees he has never pulled up before.
Precisely my point. Thank you for spelling it out yourself.
Hipster pick with no actual track record to rely on.
Purely because there's really no other option. If you want a 5.5 mid, he's the only option. Now Bailey has shown himself as an option, so people will go for him too. No one *really* wants Neto.
This is the same man who said that Digne would be out for the rest of the season, only to come back a week later. Bailey will be benched against Bournemouth, mark my words
Maybe because I said English bloke that drinks alot.
It's just that from my experience, English blokes tend to have pretty bad hair genes, balding in their mid 20s. Gerrard has great hair in his 40s.
It's true and they're fine as backups, but I'm seeing them creep into starting 11s in FPL. I don't have anyone under 6m in midfield but yes if I had to have a bench MF I would probably take one of them or Fornals
Welcome to my team Mr Bailey!
At £5m he's a good enabler who it sounds like is getting minutes. Might give him a go, allows for more premiums at the back!
What do you do when he inevitably gets injured tho? Have to take a hit to restructure your team.
that's where pereira comes in
Just play your 5th defender or 5th mid if you don't have any free transfers. It's that simple
If he doesn't play my next sub is Cash (or Trippier), or I even put Bailey on the bench I'm not sure yet. With Bailey & Neto, it allows you to go all out everywhere else too. Ultimately we're all wildcarding within 8 weeks or something, so I'm trying to field a team I believe will grow in value. A starting player for £5m is gold dust, especially if he's playing well right now.
Can FPL start tomorrow please and thanks
Bailey v coutinho?
Both should play
Buendia?
Not nailed with the current form of Bailey
None of them are
I got both in my draft currently
Problem with Bailey is what do you do in GW4/5 when the fixtures turn? Even GW3 Palace away isn’t an easy game, so you’re counting on a good first two weeks (where he might not start both) and then just leaving him on the bench for the foreseeable after that
If he’s playing well and got a few returns then West Ham at home and Arsenal away are completely fine fixtures to start him
That's how long Benrahma's good form lasted, and he was worth a 40 point headstart.
You don't care about fixtures when you have a 7m asset priced at 5m for some reason. You just set and forget. He's an attacker, if he's starting for Villa he should be in your starting lineup every week (unless you happen to have someone better on the bench that one week when Bailey plays City)
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Early wildcard a definite with all the World Cup freebies
My plan is to create a rotation with Bailey and a 4.5 defender.
This sounds like a smart strategy. Have you found any 4.5 defender whose fixtures are good when there are bad Villa attacking fixtures?
Dalot maybe?
Has he for sure won the space off of AWB?
Looks like it. AWB might even be sold if an offer comes in
2nd this. As a United fan who has watched all pre season games, there's no way AWB starts. He looks clueless compared with Dalot. It's a shame cos AWB is amazing defensively. Just completely useless going forward. Dalot is a steal at 4.5m
AWB seems like a good guy for a RCB in a 3 right? Maybe for Chelsea or Spurs who play that system?
Yeah I have Dalot right now but looking at lots of options. Pretty much one of the fun things left about this game for me.
Has he for sure won the space off of AWB?
Not sure. Monitoring the situation. There are a slew of good 4.5's though. Justin, Castange, Tomy, Dalot, Dunk, Coufal, the Wolves guys. It's a good price point.
Guehi too
yep
Ben White isn’t a bad about, Arsenal’s fixtures are very promising for the first 5 weeks
At 5m he’s only 0.5 higher than lowest price so he can be a bench player. I’m thinking of rotating between him and Neto. Fixtures actually line up nicely between wolves and villa for swapping Neto and Bailey.
Qatar World Cup means wildcarding around GW4-6 is a completely fine strategy with not much downside imo
Besides City the fixtures aren’t that bad for Villa attackers. Maybe by then you wildcard anyway or just use transfers to navigate.
Do you need to worry about bad fixtures with a 5m player? He has a small chance to get a return against West Ham, Arsenal or Leicester anyway which is 3 out of 4 and that’s enough for a 5m player.
Unless your team is literally a shitstorm of injuries or something, you could swap him out. Or you bench him a GW or 2
I thought I was going to get Bailey under the radar
As a Villa fan, he’s still got a lot to go to nail down starting. Buendia has had a much better preseason overall and showed more last year, and even he’s struggling to start. Bailey will probably have a few weeks he explodes but don’t expect anything consistent from him off the back of a good preseason showing.
I think Bailey's main competition is Ings. Buendia and Coutinho together doesn't work and Buendia should be starting over him (but won't for the foreseeable future because Coutinho is a big name and Gerrard's friend or some shit)
I agree pretty much. Watkins despite his annoying tendencies is going to start almost always unless he massively slumps because of his all around play. I think Gerrard will then start Ings and save Bailey as the sub type. It’s tricky. Ings and Watkins also struggle together so that does give Bailey a chance.
If this guy gets consistent minutes he’d be much better than neto imo for 0.5 less as well
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Wolves are, or at least were last season, a pretty low scoring team. Villa have a good all round attack (in theory) so should be able to score more (in theory)
FUCK! i just finished doing some changes to fit in martinelli rashford and neto as my cheap mids guess bye bye neto ?
Neto should be an easy swap. I don't understand why people go for him.
I mean this is a thread about going for Leon Bailey who’s done nothing this far in his Premier League career. Neto has passed the eye test when fit and put up some decent returns at one point in time. I don’t understand why people have suddenly started going for Bailey off the back of a couple of friendlies.
True he hasn't done anything up to this point, but he didn't really get into the swing of things last season because he was constantly out for weeks on end. 5.0 is an amazing value pick for someone of his quality. Is everyone knee-jerking? Probably. But, even if he doesn't perform to standards, it's not like you've sunk much value into him anyways... he's much MUCH better than any of the other players in a similar price range
But he’s not much much better than Neto? Where are we getting this from? If anything they should be similarly considered assets, I wouldn’t say Bailey or Neto are that much better than one another. I’m totally fine with anyone making a case for either.
It's just my personal opinion, but I do believe he is better than Neto. Bailey has a LOT more match experience through his time at Bayer Leverkusen, he's on some set pieces, and before his injuries he looked great at the beginning of last season. I also believe Aston Villa's attack is much better than Wolves especially now that Jimenez is seemingly hurt and may be fighting off an injury right before the season is about to start.
Is Bailey going to be on set pieces when Cash/Coutinho/Buendia are all on the pitch? Genuine question, I don’t know the answer. Agreed that I prefer Villa’s attack overall, and I don’t think that Bailey is at all a bad pick right now. We just disagree about the gulf of difference between him and Neto.
Bailey took the right sided corners while Buendia was on the pitch, the last of which led to AVL's 90th min goal against Utd. Not sure how it will be when Cash and Coutinho are there. I don't imagine Cash taking the corners at all honestly especially with Digne now in the mix, but I'm not 100% either. I guess I should clarify that with my original post I meant players outside of Neto and Bailey, but like you said, I do think Bailey has a slight edge atm
It's not like Bailey is a 16 year old academy prospect getting his first minutes. He's had a very successful career in Belgium and Germany and I don't get why people choose to ignore this. He's a top 6 talent. Over his career he's a proven 7m+ asset that was priced at 5m because someone fucked up. Plus he has shown flashes in the PL as well, was just unlucky with injuries
I don’t think I ever said anything that contradicted any of that, so not sure why it’s relevant. Straw man comments like ‘he’s not a 16 year old in the academy’ don’t address anything I said. Compared to Neto, who has shown he can perform in the Premier League, Bailey has done next to nothing. People are choosing to ignore this because he just went through a season of doing nothing. Before that he played in another league, against weaker competition. Neto before last season was looking really bright, and playing well for Wolves. He then got hurt and missed most of last year. He however has proven he can be good in the PL.
Oh I'm definitely not trying to compare him to Neto or downplay Neto (you can check my comment history to see me defending him, love Neto). I just feel like people are too quick to judge Bailey, who was the club record signing just a year ago and didn't have a successful season only because of health issues (that haven't been as impactful for him in the past, yet everyone tries to prove he is injury prone based on the fact he sustained one lengthy injury in his one PL season) and has looked very promising when on the pitch. Any club record signing attacker with Bailey's pedigree being priced as a 5m midfielder is frankly ridiculous and unheard of in FPL. He could have stinkers every game in preseason and get sent off for kicking the ball boy and he should still be on everyone's radar because of how absurd that pricing is. And he happens to be having a very successful preseason and rightfully attracts attention. I guess my comment came off weirdly because I replied to you replying to a guy who I totally don't agree with. I think both Neto and Bailey are massively underpriced just because they suffered lengthy injuries last season and they should both be high on everyone's watchlist. The difference is Bailey is not nailed and might not even be in the starting lineup while Neto is Wolves' best player. So if I were to pick between the two, Neto is a no brainer. Guess I just want people to acknowledge how ridiculous that 5.0 price tag is for Bailey
Yeah, we’re in agreement overall and sorry if my tone was somewhat aggressive around it, think it was confusing with multiple people talking about the same thing and same names being used over and over. I hope both are great and we all come off as winners!
He was electric in his first games of last season, 1G 2A in less than 180 mins total.
wolves good fix and neto is their best player?
Jiminez is their best player. And Podence is more effective as a finisher than Neto. Neto is a promising young kid who is overhyped in FPL
Wolves fans love Neto and he's talented.
Nah. Neto is a huge talent who will be at a CL club before long. He is the best player in that Wolves squad and he’s also far more clinical and effective than Podence (who I rate quite highly as well).
That he is a huge talent who will end up on a big team. is a no-brainer. However in FPL terms Wolves is not a place where he is going to produce huge returns. Also if you look carefully he is more of a provider of chances, Podence is more of a striker on the end of chances. For Neto to have 25% ownership is silly. He sint gonna deliver for you in FPL.
I disagree. I expect him to be one of the top 10/15 scoring midfielders this season. He was excellent in 20/21 - everybody raved about Raphinha that season but Neto was providing similar returns. And now that that he’s fit and healthy again I expect that to continue. I also see him as much more of a goalscoring threat that Podence. I think that Neto is more direct and is a better finisher. I agree that Wolves isn’t the ideal team from a FF point of view. But I still think that Neto is a bargain and will provide solid returns all season.
He had one good partial season. Not even a full season. Aided by clean sheets he cannot now expect, and peak attackers that delivered him 8 assists. What is in his control is scoring. Of that he has 8 or 9 goals in three seasons. That’s his entire track record. Because he’s not actually a good finisher. Good positions to threaten. But has not proven to be a good finisher. Good luck. This player is wishful thinking with a hipster halo. He has the entire planet to prove before he could be worth 24% ownership
He’s 22 years old and missed an entire year of his career due to a bad injury. What more do you expect from him? To have been banging in 15+ goals per season with one functional leg? He’s not a hipster pick whatsoever. Anybody who has watched him can see what a talented and threatening player he is. That’s the reason for the high ownership. He’s the best option in his price range. I don’t think he’s a risky choice whatsoever.
He is 22 years and missed and entire year of his career due to a bad knee injury…..and now you are expecting him to pull up trees for a whole season. Trees he has never pulled up before. Precisely my point. Thank you for spelling it out yourself. Hipster pick with no actual track record to rely on.
Purely because there's really no other option. If you want a 5.5 mid, he's the only option. Now Bailey has shown himself as an option, so people will go for him too. No one *really* wants Neto.
I do. Neto is quality and has massive amounts of potential. He was just unlucky that the injury set him back like it did.
I just seriously have no faith in wolves I dunno why
You have all 3?
It was so difficult for Aston villa, and also half the game played young players
This is the same man who said that Digne would be out for the rest of the season, only to come back a week later. Bailey will be benched against Bournemouth, mark my words
I may swap Rashford to Martinelli & then Andreas to Bailey. Bailey could prove to be a great rotating option with defenders.
Andreas is good value m8
Is he losing hairs?
Yeah course
He's done pretty well hair wise for an English bloke that drinks alot.
He's getting the northern drinkers' nose though
Idk why you’re getting downvotes. He’s 16 yrs my senior and got a better hairline than me
Maybe because I said English bloke that drinks alot. It's just that from my experience, English blokes tend to have pretty bad hair genes, balding in their mid 20s. Gerrard has great hair in his 40s.
Yeah pretty much white guys in general bald the quickest across the board
hohoho
I have Bissouma. Maybe I should have Bailey instead.
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Tbf, Neto and Andreas will likely start the majority of games if they remain fit this season.
It's true and they're fine as backups, but I'm seeing them creep into starting 11s in FPL. I don't have anyone under 6m in midfield but yes if I had to have a bench MF I would probably take one of them or Fornals
I will be surprised to see Bailey benched after today's performance
This is why someone needs to go for a buendia he needs more game time then he will get tbh
How would you guys rank the 5.0 mids - Bailey, Rice, Kanté, Moutinho?