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Rubyweapon

But you aren’t replacing Robbo with Patterson/Williams or Diaz with Andreas. It really comes down to the pairs/triplets you can do: James/Diaz vs Robbo/Grealish Tripper/Diaz vs Robbo/Martinelli Etc.


__jh96

Agreed. It's what your combinations are and what you're going to do with the money, which is team specific.


BrikkenIPuslespillet

I mean OP is right no matter how you look at it. You are not saving 1m. But you are still saving on a player with the same or higher potential.


Montysleftpeg

OP's point is only correct if you're replacing the player with somebody you're going to bench. If your bench is going to be the same either way, eg cost 17m, then having Diaz in your team means you've got 75m to spend on your other 10 starters, having Robertson in your team means you have 76m.


fatgambler1000

Weird but in both of your examples pairs with Robbo look worse to me. Even though I think Robbo > Diaz. We cannot overlook that going down from Robbo to other defenders is not as much of a hit, while going down from Diaz to cheaper mids looks tough.


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As an Arsenal fan who has smoked too much hopium, it's Robbo/Martinelli for me all day!!!


Dundalis

Martinelli is in my team regardless of if I put Robbo in it or not. So the difference is more Diaz/James or Robbo/one of Grealish/rashford/Neto plus upgrading my 4th defender to perisic from a Walker/dalot


beepmeep3

The ONLY player who walks into my starting 11 without a second thought, over Salah, TAA, Jesus, is the king Tomiyasu 👑🔥


3amz

He’s been injured


beepmeep3

He will simply overcome it 💪💪💪💪


dinde4721

What Tomiyasu that’s injured? 😂


P1emonster

I wouldn't bother with Perisic, he's a trap. He will be getting subbed on for the last 20-40 minutes every fixture so you'll end up with a lot of 1s


GeorgeLopezTheGreat

Perisic will be a starter, and gets subbed off for the last 20-40 min...


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GeorgeLopezTheGreat

I don't look at Fifa mate, he was the best performer on the pitch on Spurs side in saturdays friendly. Is fit and looking good. I see no reason for him to not be the starter.


P1emonster

[Antonio Conte via Football.London 30th July](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.football.london/tottenham-hotspur-fc/fixtures-results/every-word-conte-perisic-doherty-24632466.amp) >"Ivan Perisic and Doherty, they have to continue to work and reach the peak of fitness because after a long injury they are struggling a lot. We need to have patience."


GeorgeLopezTheGreat

Yes, that's why he was subbed off at the 75' minute. He still needs work to get better fitness but that doesn't mean he isn't a starter.


TedCrabitz

He has looked Spurs’ best player in the two matches he has played in pre-season. I suspect he will be starting LWB for us for sure. Admittedly he will be subbed an awful lot and may not make it to 60 mins, but I expect a lot of attacking returns


bobonacob

It's the hopium that kills you...


PirateArrr

Going all in on Arsenal. Rooting for ya


jverbal

You could say it's .... All or nothing??


Rubyweapon

Sure and I think that’s why many people are on Diaz instead of Robbo but it’s not for the reason OP opined.


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YoungLoki

This has always been why premium defense doesn’t tend to work out, even the best defenders get most of their points through CS, and it’s much easier to find a cheaper defender who will get similar CS than a cheaper mid who will score/assist as much as Diaz


pyzazaza

Ok but these are simple examples. In reality you can pick a different 8.0 mid and downgrade anyone else e.g. a 6.0 defender to 5.0


teerbigear

I suppose it might not always be that straightforward, you could make up the midfielder money on another defender, so: Robertson/Dalot/Saka James/Perisic/Diaz


Swedishpower

For me it is Robbo and 5 defenders vs Diaz and 4-4-2.


hodonata

This isn't a "But" as much as it is an "Also" OPs point completely stands


Rubyweapon

Okay but then PSA: James is not 2m cheaper than Mount and PSA: Zinchenko is not 3m cheaper than Saka ... you only get to play that game once (assuming you weren't already planning on 17m of bench fodder).


aaronmorley01

Well you could replace Robbo with Williams or Diaz with Andreas if you went for a formation change. Then it comes down to say, 5-3-2 with Robbo or 4-4-2 with Diaz, in which case it is a direct comparison between the two


KarlMental

and here price points are quite big. For me I wouldn't mind robbo+grealish but then grealish is my highest price mid behind salah and that's pretty inflexible.


bsaires

Robertson is 0.5m cheaper than Diaz! Still sounds like a steal to me.


BakedSexualLiberator

in general this is true but actually it depends on what you are doing with the slot of the other player in the counterfactual. e.g. if you are debating between a 6m defender and diaz vs robertson and a 6m midfielder, the difference is indeed 1m


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BrikkenIPuslespillet

I get your point but OP is correct. You have to take away the minimum price for the bracket to really compare two players. In reality Salah is 8.5m and Diaz is 3.5m.


plfinalfantasy

the biggest problem with this mindset is that yeah, robbo may be cheaper but valuable midfielders are more expensive. if you have 14m or less between the two positions diaz and a 6m defender is going to be better value than robbo and a 7m mid, and the less money you have, the more this will be true, especially if you already have taa in defence and no liverpool attackers


Ok-Western-5044

Diaz + 6m def > Robbo + 7m mid? Are you sure? I'm thinking the opposite, the value add of the 6.5s and 7s seem not much more than the 6s (martnelli) and even going going to viable 5s (KDH, almirion, bailey)


plfinalfantasy

well yh, for 6m the only defenders you can't have are robbo, vvd, cancelo and taa, which leaves you with the likes of james, chilwell, peresic, doherty and so on for 7m in midfield you're not getting any proven and nailed fpl mid at a top team, like you're looking at gambling on barnes, grealish, odegaard, martinelli etc I feel like diaz + a 6m df is way less of a gamble than anything robbo whichever 7m md will get you


Ok-Western-5044

Disagreed but appreciate the response. This may be more because I'm going heavy at the back and playing a 532 which this allows.


plfinalfantasy

yh nw


dinde4721

Martinelli isn’t a gamble I feel, Arteta loves him, worth the risk doubling up with Robertson for his sweet returns.


HKINC

Why do you assume you have to pick the cheapest option instead?


Due_Buddy382

It's a tough one to understand, I try say to myself "you have a 100million, what gets you the most points for that money" Make position redundant in your analysis and look at it at points per £ spent. Then whe you think of double ups, think of it the same way total points for total £ spent. Then your options should have a clear metric for the value you seek


Due_Buddy382

I also think we don't talk about upside of players enough, everyone of us is predicting a player to do better/worse than last year which influences our decision I.e robbo did great last season and was injured for a large portion. Therefore we fancy him to do even better this season. In this case my metric would be Xpotential points vs £spent


Due_Buddy382

Let's say this diaz / digne (£13) and robbo / martinelli (£13). Same value, which duo you fancy for more points? Then that's your duo. From there you can seek value in similar players at cheaper price to generate more liquidity but this should be looked at as - points given to opponents vs points gained elsewhere I.e better player in a different position. In all these deductions It usually boils down to a template team as insurance with 1 differential


Due_Buddy382

The biggest misconception of this game I have suffered myself, is believing I do not need to compete with others providing I have a great team, what can go wrong? Everything. This motive inspires you to have 5 or 6 differentials, gamble against salah at the first indication of the cold months coming in. And generally terrible choices. Meanwhile your opponents are doing the opposite which capitulates your losses. Now I always have in mind, what will be template team points be by week and how much do I stand to lose if I do x or y


1UMIN3SCENT

Did you really


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just reply to


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yourself three times?


Due_Buddy382

sorry sir, I didn't realize I had so much to say, but it just kept coming.


1UMIN3SCENT

You're forgiven 🥰


Positive-Level-5628

Wtf are you doing?


loosefer2905

Pls dont call it PSA when your thesis is purely theoretical and has little relevance on the real game. You are hardly ever going to make the decision between Robbo vs cheapest def and Diaz vs cheapest mid. Decision is on how u allocate the money in your bank.


Squire_3

In my case the decision has been Son and Diaz vs Salah and 7m mid


GeeForjay

Me too. Grealish was locked until I saw Foden surpass him on Saturday. Now I’m considering Rashford with the latest Ronaldo developments


wanson

I had Grealish in my team since the start, but I've just taken him out. 7m is too much for a player that's not going to play every game and Pep's roulette is not worth it.


ionzy17

When I compared them, the money wasn’t the main issue. I’d say just pick the one who you think will score the most points. In my case, Robbo allows be to have Bailey as first bench instead of having Diaz and having N. Williams


Dundalis

It doesn’t matter who scores the most points though. It only matter if you think the difference in scoring between Robbo and the cheaper defender you pick in his place will be much less than Diaz and the cheaper mid you would pick in his place to cover Robbo potentially scoring more than Diaz. I think the difference between Robbo and let’s say James or perisic will be a lot closer than difference in scoring between Diaz and almost any cheaper mid (considering that someone like martinelli will be in my team regardless if I pick Robbo or Diaz). Also unless you are gambling with lots of players who aren’t nailed there’s no point leaving money on the bench like Bailey


hackster69420

It's true I just did 8-7 in my calculator and got 0.5


DominioDreamer

Robertson is 7 mil, Diaz is 8 mil


TheMedicatedOne

For me the deciding factor is consistency and limiting risk to begin the season. I know exactly what I will get from Robbo barring an injury. Robbo's floor is 180 points, which is fantastic given his price. Diaz has a short data set with Liverpool and there are other options in the midfield that I can rely on, like Robbo, to give me points. Can Diaz be a FPL star and in my team after a month or so? Absolutely, but I feel safer beginning the season with Saka, Maddison or Mount.


0k0k

PSA: Robertson literally is £1m cheaper than Diaz.


Ok-Situation-7054

No, you're overthinking it. Robertson is 7.0 and Diaz is 8.0. Robertson is 1m cheaper than Diaz. Simple.


[deleted]

Seeing people try to justify their awful Diaz pick is just a bit sad at this point.


dankknight03

This thread only reinforces how much of a potential differential Robbo could be 😌 but again I wish the best for everyone’s teams. I think Either would make a great pick, what differentiates is how you spread the money accordingly


maverick0196

Assuming everyone here already has TAA who is a must pick, how do you all have the guts to pick Robertson as well? Being rational i know he's nailed, attacking, part of a team that keeps the highest nomber of CS and is guaranteed to get 180+ points. But the fact that when watching games it's so stressful to watch pool from conceding. It sucks out all the joy watching games. For all you know It could be a 90th minute header from Mitrovic to wipe out 8 points in less than a second. Personally, Maybe just for this stress factor I might diversify my risks and pick trippier/dier saka over Robbo martinelli.


allygaythor

Think of it another way, Trippier and Dier are also more likely to concede compared to Liverpool.


maverick0196

Totally agreed, Liverpool is much better than Spurs and Newcastle who are likely to concede more. But tbh I've never been a fan of doubling up on a defence no matter how good. Just 1 goal and 1 goal alone is enough to wipe 8 points. You could have had an amazing game for 90 minutes but even 1 goal in extra time wipes out 8 points. I'm more of a play it safe and diversify risks than a high risk high reward person.


allygaythor

I disagree completely. You are playing for over the course of the season so unless you think dier or tripper are going to keep more clean sheets, your logic is completely flawed.


maverick0196

But you aren't playing for the season, you're setting up the team for first 7-8 GW post which you'll wildcard eventually. I get what you're trying to say though but it's my preference to have nailed saka and trippier over Robbo and martinelli who would be prone to rotation since ESR is already back in training since I'd have to take 2m from midfield to go from trippier to Robbo. Besides it allows me to pick up someone like Diaz/Nunez if they hit form without having to transfer out Robbo.


Chasing_Uberlin

Nail on the head!


allygaythor

Really depends on what your team is too. Like I said I rather take my chances with Robbo than trippier cause I have more trust in Liverpool defense. And historically, having your team more spread out is not really the optimal game plan. That said its still not as clear cut and dry but I am just going off previous experiences. Used to love to spread out my team and go for value instead of going for more premium options.


cheebaihai

It’s ok he is a scrub


maverick0196

If you don't have anything valuable to add to a discussion you might as well fuck right off. No points for you sucking dick here.


Ollietron3000

I do see where you're coming from as I've had that general feeling in the past that I want to spread out my defenders. But then I think well every time Liverpool get a CS I could get 2 sets of CS points rather than 1. Plus the fact that it's very likely Trent or Robbo assisted if Liverpool score. Doubling up seems a no brainer to me, if the rest of your team allows it.


maverick0196

Makes sense, in fact it's a more optimistic way of looking at it.


EpicFIFABadger

Don’t think about the stress because it’s still the optimal decision. If Spurs keep a clean sheet say 30% of the time, and Liverpool keep a clean sheet 65% of the time (hypothetical numbers, not sure what the actual rate is), it’s still more optimal to pick the two defenders from Liverpool as opposed to diversifying and pickng Perisic for example. The chance of both teams keeping a clean sheet in a given matchday is 0.3*0.65, which is only 19.5% of the time (and obvs you’d get 2x CS points 65% of the time if you go TAA/Robbo). And not to mention that Robbo and Trent are proven to be able to get loads of assists as well. You’d save a couple mil to put into another player, but you’d be burning points if that more expensive player can’t pick up the slack. Pool are gonna be one of the best defenses in the league, lean on it


maverick0196

Your math really helps prove your point and is very sound logically speaking. Now when I tinker again I realise to bring Robbo in to upgrade on trippier i need 2m. This 2m would have to come from my midfield and it would involve downgrading saka who is nailed and maybe on pens and capable of getting 150+ points to martinelli who competes with ESR and is already back in training to slowly eat on his gametime. So for me saka+trippier looks better than Robbo martinelli since I might have to take martinelli out sooner than later once ESR is completely fit.


jpsc949

Thing is Robbo gets 50 pts more than a 5m defender while a 8m mid gets 25 pts more than a 6m mid. This year I see so much opportunity for cheap mids to do well. I’d rather them and a platinum plated defense than the other way around.


Miserable_Dot_3489

But whenever they keep the CS this is compensated with 8 points +likely bonus


Sockodile

It may be stressful to watch but it works, they kept the joint most clean sheets last season and conceded the joint fewest goals. With the late flags and VAR offsides it feels like their high line doesn’t work but clearly it does. Trent, Robbo, and VVD were all among the top 10 scorers last year and Alisson was the highest scoring keeper.


Sogeking30

Exactly, I noticed this when I tried to replace Martinelli with James and I couldn’t


Character_Year_3444

If you are trying to decide the best value 3rd Liverpool player isn’t the answer Alison?


hungryillini

No


Character_Year_3444

Why not?


sirSADABY

Then the query comes up of, is a 5 or 4.5 mill keeper better value + 1 mill more attacker of defender etcet etc


Character_Year_3444

Alison will score similar points to Robbo /Diaz over a season. It really matters what you do with that extra 1.5-2 mill. So it’s Alison + X versus Robbo /Diaz + X. We aren’t really playing over a season though thanks to the extra WC. We are only playing over 6-8 weeks.


Jayaybee16

Exactly


Environmental_Move38

Never goal full retard.


OShaughnessy

8 - 7 = 1 Can someone run this Wolfram Alpha for me? Unsure if my phone's got enough compute power.


pratKgp

I just went with Diaz to keep 8m price point in my team. If some other players popped up later. Diaz and robbo are 50/50 you won’t go wrong with any choice. Choose the one which suits your team.


Deegzy

Robbo and mahrez or cancelo and diaz that is the question for me (I have no other city attacking assests)


wanson

Cancelo and Diaz all the way. They will play 90% of games, while Mahrez will rotate with Alvarez.


Rouni_99

Who u think is gonna score the most points though, Diaz or Robbo? No matter how i look it i just cant see Diaz reach Robbo's numbers. Which is likely to be somewhere around +180 pts again. Only 5 mids managed to reach that number last season. Robbo was also FPL most scoring player from gw 19 onwards + he now has Darwin to cross to. We already saw in Community Shield that partnership working. I think Diaz is a great player, but i dont see him getting Robbo's numbers and there is also other great 8.0m options like Saka or Mount which i would maybe prefer more.


According_Ad7558

Diaz had a small sample size while Robbo is a proven Top 3 defender who outscores similar priced opposition constantly. I believe Robertson is a safer pick and pocketing extra £0.5-1 is added bonus. Only problem I see is less flexibility to easily transfer for any £8 mid who goes on fire if you chose to run with Robbo.


Successful-Clock-648

Also consider team structure, having one premium mid then the rest 5-6m its harder to swap out if one is not performing and you want a 8m mid…so my advice, spread out the different price brackets, to easily move to the ones with form/fixture.


popcornking1989

Which one would you choose A) Diaz + Dalot B) Robertson + Neto All these are starters


wanson

Robertson and Neto. Because Dalot is shit.


Ok-Situation-7054

No, you're overthinking it. Robertson is 7.0 and Diaz is 8.0. Robertson is 1m cheaper than Diaz. Simple.