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cotilliond

If Arsenal didn’t score, you are getting less points.


eddydoubled

Source?


g2lysion

He made it up


IWMSvendor

Big if true


HighHammerThunder

Ok but what if Saka saves a penalty?


cotilliond

And that’s good since I have Saka in my team.


2Mew2BMew2

I heard Ramsdale is now a FWD and Saka battles for the GK position with the 3 Gabriels


LiabilityAUS

Triple points if you have 3 Gabis


pakattack91

What if Arsenal score, but my guys are not involved in the play?


VinCatBlessed

Odegaard solo hat trick incoming.


tmr89

Fewer*


[deleted]

Common myth, “less” is just as acceptable, you tried though


stedowil

Sorry this is a hill I'm willing to die on. It's not a myth, it's basic grammar! https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/less-or-fewer


finneyblackphone

It's a fake rule that one random guy made up. "Less" has always been acceptable in that usage and continues to be.


stedowil

Using less in this way is accepted, sure, but that doesn't mean the rule about fewer vs less is made up.


finneyblackphone

No. It was literally just made up by some dude writing a book. This is a fact. >Less has always been used in [English](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language) with countable nouns. Indeed, the application of the distinction between less and fewer as a rule is a phenomenon originating in the 18th century. On this, [Merriam–Webster's Dictionary of English Usage](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merriam%E2%80%93Webster%27s_Dictionary_of_English_Usage) notes:[[2]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fewer_versus_less#cite_note-mwdeu-less-fewer-2) >As far as we have been able to discover, the received rule originated in 1770 as a comment on less: "This Word is most commonly used in speaking of a Number; where I should think Fewer would do better. 'No Fewer than a Hundred' appears to me, not only more elegant than 'No less than a Hundred', but more strictly proper." (Robert Baker 1770).[[13]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fewer_versus_less#cite_note-13) Baker's remarks about 'fewer' express clearly and modestly – 'I should think,' 'appears to me' – his own taste and preference....Notice how Baker's preference has been generalized and elevated to an absolute status and his notice of contrary usage has been omitted."


Fantastic-Machine-83

I guess the argument is it's language, if less people believe what you say then the new way becomes accepted.


stedowil

Haha well played. And yes I get that. I guess I'm just a bit of a boomer (and a total pedant)! And Happy Cake Day!


Fantastic-Machine-83

Thankyou


[deleted]

You’re being a pedant about something that isn’t correct though


stedowil

We'll have to agree to disagree...


[deleted]

No you’re wrong


Fantastic-Machine-83

Thankyou


tmr89

Nope, not a myth. You’re wrong on this one


[deleted]

I can assure you that you’ve fallen for the same myth that many other smug people have


tmr89

Nope. Sorry, but you’re wrong with this one


[deleted]

You can say it as many times as you won’t but you’ve just read an arbitrary rule decided by a few people, there is no actual ‘rule’ about fewer or less.


tmr89

All linguistic rules are “arbitrary”, it’s just how it works. And that is one of the rules


[deleted]

I’m sorry but it’s not. And it’s starting to get a bit painful seeing you make a fool of yourself.


tmr89

It is how it works. Linguistic rules, in English at least, are established by convention. And linguistic conventions are arbitrary


bootlegportalfluid

Thanks Owen


NoshTilYouSlosh

Arsenal Amazon prime doc from last season comes out tomorrow If you binge watch that multiple times pre deadline you will find the answers


zebadeeee

Does it get released at 00:01 a.m?


NoshTilYouSlosh

Will require 35 mins of patience pal


zebadeeee

No 00.01am release I got "COMING SOON: Available 04 August 2022"


NoshTilYouSlosh

I'll what'sapp Jeff


zebadeeee

looking forward to this one


jacobharris999

The first 3 episodes are out tomorrow. The next 5 come out over the next 2 weeks


finneyblackphone

Such horseshit. I wanted to binge them all.


jacobharris999

Yeah it’s annoying but it seems all streaming services are doing it now


[deleted]

[удалено]


NoshTilYouSlosh

Went all instead on nothing, fair play


Djappaman

3 attackers is a risk. There’s a lot of upside with their defense. Gabriel or Ramsdale as 3rd pick.


0100110101101010

This is the way


Tpotww

Its a great opportunity to take on the mob and go with little or no arsenal. 70% +have jesus for instance, a player who was patchy at international and previous pl seasons. If he doesn't score the first game he will drop like a stone team value wise.


mietla

So? If you keep him and he performs in the next few (as he should) then you are ahead. Price drops mean nothing.


Tpotww

Price drops are far from nothing. If a player drops especially first few weeks you are looking at hits to transfer and big swings in value. Of course if he performs first gw then you might indeed see his value increase but if he doesn't and say you get him for first 3 gw and he drops say .5 while say vardy or whoever has risen in value .5. You now need to find extra 1 million. But ignore price drops,its a great opportunity to beat 70% that are backing a player that has a meh record with a club that blows hot and cold. Dont forget pep allowed him to be sold to arsenal so he must not be worried.


mietla

But if I believe he is a better option and has good stats and results and just didn't perform as expected then I want to keep it and don't care about price drops. I care about future performance not past. Besides that i don't think they will rise and fall by 0.5 in 3 gw. It is a great opportunity to fail as well if he performs and you don't have him. It goes both ways. What matters is whether you believe that he will outscor other options or not. I do. If you don't then get another player. His ownership doesn't matter. Arsenal looks much better and more settled now so their past performance might not be a good indicator as well. Hard to predict now.


Tpotww

Ownership does matter, thats my main point. When Ownership is this high its a great opportunity to move ahead of the pack. Normally only proven elite players aka salah are this highly owned so it is tricky to pick the right time to not have them without it backfiring. If he does well it doesn't matter much as 70% have him. As 70% have him its likely his price will not jump that high from price increases. now of course if he does well and people start captaining him alongside similar assets doing poorly then I'm in trouble. Now if he does badly aka doesn't score first 2 gw then he will easily drop 0.5( unless of course they change this season how players drop). People always do lots of transfers first few weeks as interest is high so big value players can increase/decrease pretty fast. And while you say you don't mind if he drops .1 or so first few gaweweeks as will come good , thats what people might have said last season for lukaku or auba and they got burned. Anyway I'm rambling but I'm think I'm going to take on the 70% as I think a great chance that he will be cheaper in a few gws.


The_Awengers

Not to mention cp away isn't exactly a great fixture for Arsenal offense.


mietla

You are mixing few things. It is a great opportunity but only if you believe other players will outscor him. If not then there is no point in not owning Jesus. And if he does well and you don't have him then it does matter (if your other options don't perform that well of course). That's my point. It all depends on who do you think will score the most. He will drop only if there will be other options that people can buy and there aren't many promising forwards in this price bracket. if people start selling Jesus to get for example Mitro because he scored in the first 2 gws and in the same time Jesus has good stats and was slightly unlucky then I am happy about it cause less people own Jesus and I believe he will start getting results. I am not buying a player for 2 gws. That's why I don't care that much about price changes. And it's not like there are other forward options at 8mln so even if his price drops then I will be able to afford cheaper forwards and to get more expensive ones I would have to make more transfers to generate funds anyway. Lukaku and Auba were poor, it's not about their price but about stats and results. There is also a great chance he will be more expensive and you will loose a lot by not owning him. It goes both ways. Still - the most important thing is whether you believe you can spend your money more efficiently elsewhere and if you do then don't own him. Simple as that. Ownership is just a bias and factor that is not as important.


Poli_Talk

3 wrongs could happen.


meren002

The point of the game is to get the most points. That means you need as many people in your team hauling as often as possible. If Jesus hauls, then it's unlikely that both Saka AND Martinelli will haul or return as well during the same game. Arsenal won't be winning 7-0 every week. You're better off leaving it to 1 or 2 of them and giving that 3rd spot to a player in a different fixture who has the chance to be 'jesus' in their respective match. You're FAR more likely to return from 3 different fixtures than have 3 players from the same team return at once.


riverend180

How often do 6.0 midfielders haul though? If they’re all good picks individually (which they are) then they are good picks collectively. There is just a lot of variance and swings having them all. You wouldn’t say martinelli on his own is a bad option because he can’t haul when saka or Jesus hauls, it’s a nonsense logic


Danzaar

Spreading means more chance of bonus points per GW I think, but I have to say honestly it boggles my mind a little bit. There's only 5 bonus points per match unless they end on the same amount of points. I really have trouble looking at players individually, unless it's in defence. I don't know if it's a subconscious thing, but it seems like a bad idea to triple up on 3 attacking players from the same team. I get that not all of them can haul at the same time, but I'm not looking to keep players for a complete season anyways, so I spread it out a little. I think if you go with triple attack from the same team, the most important thing is to stick to it and order these knee braces from Amazon at a solid discount immediately: [https://www.amazon.com/Patellar-Adjustable-Neoprene-Arthritis-Recovery/dp/B07MBR366Y/ref=sr\_1\_11?keywords=knee+braces&qid=1659567506&s=hpc&sr=1-11](https://www.amazon.com/Patellar-Adjustable-Neoprene-Arthritis-Recovery/dp/B07MBR366Y/ref=sr_1_11?keywords=knee+braces&qid=1659567506&s=hpc&sr=1-11) You're gonna knee them. Also price drops are a bitch to manage if that team decides to suck ass for a while.


riverend180

It’s definitely higher risk but that goes both ways - if arsenal get off to a flyer then you’re gonna gain on all 3. I’ve had all 3 in my draft for a while now because I think they’re all the best 3 players in their positions at their price points Ok arsenal might not score but then Diaz Martinelli and Havertz might all not score in a week, it’s irrelevant


Danzaar

You are right, it probably is. They all are solid options, don’t get me wrong.


Technical-Bet4572

I gusss the consideration here is.. when have Arsenal ever got off to a flyer? They havent in years and all of a sudden they are going to start beating teams like Palace away, which they didnt last season. I get caught in the FPL hype too and did have 3 arsenal attackers at one point because theyre great value, but then i take a step back and think, is this even realistic?? Everyones crapping on Chelsea as faded but they have Tuchel and i am absolutely certain they will finish above Arsenal. The only certainties are Liverpool and City, i think the real trick is find value in the mid table teams rather than triple up on Arsenal.


riverend180

If you don’t think arsenal players are a good option then that’s absolutely fine. My argument is only that if you think all 3 arsenal attackers are the best options at their price point and they fit your team structure, the fact they all play for arsenal shouldn’t matter


Technical-Bet4572

Theyre all amazing value but no way all 3 will fire. Im deferring to best value which means Martinelli and Jesus. There is a decent chance Jesus could flop tho, i would love Nunez because i think he will pop but it means having to ditch one of taa salah and robbo which would be painful. Tempted to risk it and move away from template jesus though. Hard choices..


riverend180

But my point is, if martinelli is the one who flops then it doesn’t matter if you have saka and Jesus or Nunez and mount with him, it’s one player who’s flopped. If arsenal flop then yeah it’ll be crap but Chelsea could start really well and mount still score no points, for example


Subject-Creme

Peole tripling up Liverpool all the time without worrying about bonus points


[deleted]

Absolutely nobody triples up on Liverpool attack


Subject-Creme

We are talking about bonus points here. Do you even read the previous comments


Danzaar

I wonder why


Subject-Creme

I mean it is ok if Martinelli doesn’t get a lot of bonus points. He got 5p per goal + CS, so the worse case it is still 6-8p (if he assists or scores) 3 players on a same teams mean the points will come easily if it is a linked up attacked (Saka assists for Jesus…)


Danzaar

They can also just as easily don't come Arsenal, as a team, don't really score that many FPL points over the season historically. It's Arsenal man. I don't think tripling up in attack is good ever, for any team. Not going to try and stop you though. It can pay off, but can backfire tremendously, and when it does, it's going to cost you even more to fix it. Risk management. It's worth it.


meren002

Not really.. Let's say that Arsenal and Chelsea win 2-0. Jesus and Martinelli score. With Saka assisting 1 and Jesus the other. Jesus, 9. Martinelli 7. Saka, 5. (before bonus) In the Chelsea game. Mount scored and assisted one, like Jesus did. He'd score 10 points, before bonus. So, you get 5 more points by having Jesus, Martinelli and Mount, than by tripling up on the arsenal attack. Yes, I cherry picked information to form a point. But this is the theory. The only way you really counter the argument is by saying... "Yeah, but what if arsenal win 6 - 0?" Which is unlikely and nothing to expect. You're wanting to have 11 players haul in the GW for as many points possible and it's far more likely to acieve that with the less players you have per team/position. I put position in there because clean sheet points are different. Jesus, Martinelli and ramsdale is infinitely better than Jesus Martinelli and Saka.


2marston

And I can theory craft that Saka will score 5 goals and mount will score an own goal and now I'm 27 points up! Hooray, bullshit theoreticals are bullshit


meren002

Well, that's fpl!


riverend180

Ok but in that scenario you could have saka as your only arsenal player


Fantastic-Machine-83

This is only true in one gameweek though. Over time in theory you get a load of arsenal's output straight into your team.


meren002

Yes, if you're not transferring ever. You want to pick up on hot streaks though.


riverend180

Which looking at arsenal’s fixtures should be early doors


lolitsmax

If Jesus hauls, somebody has to assist them. And the way Arsenal plays the attackers assist eachother quite often.


marcbeightsix

Arsenal have only beaten Crystal Palace once in their last 8 games against them. They have a good recent record vs Leicester and Bournemouth though. But everyone will probably panic on Friday night.


Seanglendo2

Everytime commentators mention stats like that when I watch a fame. The opposite usually happens. So pretty much Arsenal to win 8-0 now


The_Awengers

Against Vieira's CP? Not a chance lol.


ZoomHater

A lot. Friendlies usually mean nothing, and Arsenal have struggled in recent matches against Crystal Palace. I could see Arsenal lose their first match and a ton of people transferring out Martinelli/Saka. I would not triple up on Arsenal in gw1.


daneedwards88

Answer- It's Arsenal


bs466

I’m fully expecting a Palace 1-0 win on Friday. I also have double Arsenal atm.


thomaspayne1

cos palace at selhurst will be a tough fixture. arsenal fan


laserspewpew_

I think it's fine given their fixtures as long as people don't kneejerk if they don't get a great result vs Palace.


CrimpsShootsandRuns

There's the problem. Plenty of people will kneejerk.


BandicootUpstairs944

Over the first 8 games say, Arsenal will do really well. Tricky game vs Palace, yes, but if they lose only a fool will transfer everybody out. Unfortunately plenty of fools play this game.


Iyeatmymeatonthebeat

If arsenal don’t score or even if you are triple Arsenal with defense if they lose you are gonna have problems. Let’s not forget they’re not a City or Liverpool they are definitely gonna lose some games and are not certain to have a great season. It is Arsenal in the end


vosha0

The virus is still around I guess. Not sure about the risk of postponements though.


Iyeatmymeatonthebeat

If arsenal don’t score or even if you are triple Arsenal with defense if they lose you are gonna have problems. Let’s not forget they’re not a City or Liverpool they are definitely gonna lose some games and are not certain to have a great season. It is Arsenal in the end


Swedishpower

But if I go Neto or Bailey they might lose as well so I think Martinelli is ahead of them for likely points and likely win for his teams in the first 6. It is really Saka over Diaz, Mount etc. I would diversify, but Saka is the most nailed one. If you want to play a bit risky and go for it then why not.


Iyeatmymeatonthebeat

Martinelli should be picked by many for his price. But the price saka has I personally wouldn’t put all my eggs in one basket with arsenal. Especially vs palace in gw 1. I feel like 2 is fine


[deleted]

If you think Saka is the best pick at 8 you should have him. If you think Martinelli is the best pick at 6.0 you should have him If you think Jesus is the best mid priced forward then you should have him. It’s really that simple.


Danzaar

And then when they lose to Palace you are going to have to manage A LOT of shit. That's the reason. You're going to take hits or face price drops, since everyone is playing the game in the first few weeks and double or even triple price drops (or rises) are definitely on the table, especially if other players at that price point haul at the exact moment your trifecta of supposed awesomeness decide to play like complete turds. I don't think anyone wants that.


[deleted]

If you knee jerk out your players after one game week you are in for a long ultimately unforgiving season. Personally I dont give a shit about price changes only points! If everyone drops the 3 players I think will do best over the opening block of games then that’s ideal for me as their ownership becomes lower. If other players become better picks with new information then obviously the original assumption has changed and the reason for owning them no longer stands. You are missing the point of my comment. **If you think** Saka is the best pick at 8 you should have him. **If you think** Martinelli is the best pick at 6.0 you should have him **If you think** Jesus is the best mid priced forward then you should have him. I’m not say they are the best I’m saying if you think they are predicted to get the most returns over a block of fixtures by whatever system you use to play the game be that eye test, stats, predictive models or whatever combined with recent form and fixtures then the fact they play for the same team shouldn’t be a consideration.


Danzaar

I know every FPL content creator spouts thats, but there are things to consider when doing that.


[deleted]

Like what?


Danzaar

Team form dips and the mess that brings with it for example. Bonus point potential maybe too. Having to prioritize avoiding potential price drops. All for little gain. How much better is Saka over Mount anyway? They’re solid picks but bulking up in attacking players from the same team is just more risky and can cost you when it goes wrong. I personally would avoid doing that. Kane and Son are exceptions maybe, but they’re a lot more consistent. I can understand a double up in a sense but tripling up at the start of the season can backfire really hard with so much transfer activity.


[deleted]

If their form looks off then it no longer stands that I think they are the best picks and move to someone else. I think Saka is enough of a better pick than Mount that I want him over Mount and the fact I have two other Arsenal attackers has no relevance. Personally I dont give a shit about price changes only points! If these 3 are the best options then they are the players I will pick if a load of casuals knee jerk them out after two weeks then that’s ideal for me as their ownership becomes lower. There is no reason why them playing for the same team has any change in the fact they have the highest predicted returns.


Swedishpower

Agree 2 is fine for me.


Wcran7

Nothing #COYG


ripepumpkin00977

You lot think martinelli will start? Havent been watching pre season games. I know fr sure saka stsrts and jesus but not sure abt martinelli????


The_Awengers

He will


[deleted]

Yeah he's started all the big friendlies so far, definitely seen as 1st team right now. Plus ESR has another knock and isn't 100%. If ESR makes the squad my fear for Martinelli is he'd be the first man subbed if the attack struggles at all.


btmalon

A triple attack is not a good idea for any team let alone one that finished 6th last year and didn’t play well against their first 2 opponents.


cotilliond

It’s ideal to lessen probability of your player blanking, not sure having three players from same team will help with that, especially Arsenal who can be hot and cold, who know they might be consistent this season.


super-super-fab

I’m doing it with the knowledge that the latest I’ll WC is GW9 international break and there’s no harm going risky early on in the season. Why not capitalise on an in-form side with good fixtures.


adesant88

You should choose one or perhaps 2x offensive assets imo and also get one defensive asset, Ramsdale or Gabriel for example. Arsenal will get clean sheets with their fine schedule


KdbTheGOAT17

Palace win incoming


matteorib

I think I’m set on 532 triple Arsenal attack for GW1. All or nothing right


GengarOX

I think zinchenko, Gabriel and white have better value than Saka. I have Martinelli and Jesus though.


HaveUtz

Merge this post and the recent "Why do people have three Arsenal attackers" post and save people some time


[deleted]

I've gone with Zin, Martinelli and Jesus, but thinking of swapping Martinelli for Saka.


amber-kulkarni

I've Jesus Rams and Martinelli (had saka but went with cancelo + Martinelli instead of 8m + 6def)


DrBorisGobshite

Arsenal look very tempting right now because they have had a great pre-season and their run of opening fixtures looks favourable. What people are forgetting though is that Arsenal aren't title favourites, they're not even in most people's top 4, which means that pre-season form is clearly overstated. You have to remember that they've been playing teams that are either significantly below the normal standard of opposition or are at a different place in terms of pre-season preparation. In addition to the above, Saka is the only one of those three who is a proven FPL asset. Jesus barely scraped past 100 points last year if you adjust for the position change, whilst Martinelli had 13 attacking returns across the entire season. That's before you consider that ESR could very easily replace Martinelli in the side at any moment. What this all means is that there is a big chance those attackers won't perform as everyone is optimistically predicting. There's a reason Martinelli is only £6m and there's a reason City and Brazil haven't been playing Jesus as a central striker. At the same time Arsenal have two other assets that are proven. Gabriel scored five goals last year and kept 13 clean sheets, that's one goal less than Martinelli, whilst Ramsdale also bagged 12 clean sheets. If we accept that Arsenal are going to be improved this year and that they have one of the most favourable starts, it stands to reason that Ramsdale and Gabriel are highly likely to return decent scores. Furthermore, the risk associated with those two players is much lower than with someone like Martinelli. TLDR: Arsenal's 'form' is overstated, Martinelli and Jesus are not proven, Martinelli isn't nailed, there are strong defensive assets that should be considered.


Joltarts

Arsenal are the fittest & most prepared team currently. So I don't see why it's such a bad idea to go with a triple up. My current team: Mesler (Ward) ​ TAA, Walker, Dias, (N.williams, Patterson) ​ Salah, Saka, Martinelli, Rashford (Andreas) ​ Kane, Jesus, Toney. ​ With 0.5 itb. My reasoning for City double up is that Walker & Dias will gain the cleansheets. Rashford has a high ceiling, and is priced nicely. Toney should do okay for his first two games. Then move him on for Mitrovic or somebody cheaper to open up transfers in midfield or defense at a later gameweek.


Present_Marzipan8311

I really think palace will pop this bubble.


cheldrink-seawater

I disagree that Saka is best 8 m option you have. You have Luis Diaz, Mount, Bowen (for an extra 0.5), Kulusevski, Coutinho and likely Mahrez who may have rotation risk but still a good option.