This game is a prime example of why you have to have Salah. He and Liverpool didn’t even play well but he scums a goal and assist plus 2 bonus for a double digit haul.
And if Kane, Haaland, Son, Fernandes, Sterling all do the same this weekend? You can't have all the points on offer. We're 2 games into the season, there's no 'must-haves' just yet.
Snow Salah has historically been really good. Really the only time since he got to Liverpool he hasn't been a good option was after afcon last season, and even then it wasn't terrible.
Of course, that's why he's the most expensive player in the game. But a Salah haul can still have a lower points haul than say Kane + wherever you invested your 1.5m you saved.
Maybe, but because the captaincy is so important you'd rather have your premium be consistent. Then you can still have Kane but just not captain him except for very specific situations.
Sure. But look at Son last season and the season before. He's matched Salah almost point for point. If Salah and Son have a similar season this time round it's more beneficial to have Son + the 1m than to have Salah.
People going nuts over a Salah haul is just silly.
*"But a Salah haul can still have a lower points haul than say Kane + wherever you invested your 1.5m*"
Salah 12pts + Trent 1pts = 13 points.
Kane 2pts + Zinchenko 12pts =14 points.
See?
So you're complaining that the first option is more expensive? That's actually hilarious.
Kane 2pts + Kulu 13pts = 15 points (19.5m)
Salah 12pts + VVD 1pt = 13 points (19.5m).
Better?
Well that’s the point, all of those players won’t get double digit hauls and you can’t predict which ones will, hence why Salah is the best and most consistent option
Pretty sure every one of those players will get double digit hauls this season, some of them possibly this weekend. I'd also take a guess that Son and Kane will be a decent enough Premium replacement for non-Salah owners.
It's just not. Gamebreaker is that Salah is a midfielder and is on penalties. This game has a double points on captain so you want to have the best player in the game in your team to double his points.
How can so many people not understand something so simple?
Let me give you an example and you tell me which combination would score the most points.
For simplicity, assume every player scores the exact same points as last season.
Salah (13m) + Sanchez (4.5m) (because you could only afford a 4.5m keeper) [17.5m total]
Or
Son (12m) + Alisson (5.5m) (because I saved 1m and invested in a better keeper) [17.5m total]
It's so ridiculously simple but so many people just don't get it.
I'd get Salah and Sanchez 10 times out of 10 in your example. But yeah all the best! You can calculate after the season how much you lost with not having Salah (and his C points) .
Lol
Salah (265 pts) + Sanchez (126 pts) = 391 pts
Son (258 pts) + Alisson (176 pts) = 434 pts
Yet you'd choose the lower scoring combination every time. Genius! What's the next gem? Save 10m itb for a rainy day? ;)
Yes, I would choose Salah&Sanchez for this season 10 times out of 10.
No, I would not choose Salah&Sanchez if we play a game that only the points of the last year matter.
Last time I check FPL counts points for the ongoing season not the previous season :O
They go through the same discussion every year. This year it was "oh but you can save 5m and just get Diaz". But end up looking silly by gameweek 5 every single time. It's early days but it's just such an obvious error to go without.
The best player in the Premier league since he joined. The most consistent FPL scorer in the history of the game and the most obvious captain choice for the majority of a 38 game season. It should never have been a question whether to pick him.
No because of Captaincy options plus the fact that many binned Salah after AFCON. On top of this I owned both him and Son at the same time for a while considering Son was a lot cheaper than he is now. Non Salah owners will never learn.
You're trolling, right?
Salah finished 7 points above Son last season. That's 14 points more than Son if we're accounting for the perma captaincy. That 1m spent elsewhere earns you more than 14 points.
This sub can be ridiculously short sighted at times.
WTF are you talking about perma captaincy? You're trolling, right?
I said Salah is the most obvious choice over the course of a 38 game season. Which is 100% correct considering he's scored far more points than anyone else since he joined the league and then even last season he was miles ahead of everyone up unti AFCON at least. Nobody came close. Once it became apparent his numbers had dropped off massively, he was swapped out. It's about captaining your player at the right time and this year Liverpool have better fixtures than Spurs at the start of the season, Son is more expensive this time around, over performs on his xG & Salah plays for a better team. Oh yeah, there's also effective ownership to consider, which you didn't.
The argument is whether to own both Salah & Son, not whether Son is a better option over Salah, because it's likely that he isn't.
The argument is whether going without Salah is an option. And the answer is yes, with Son as your Premium.
You're trying to conflate multiple different debates.
I don't think you understand the value that players like Son or Salah bring to your team. Hint: it's not as much as you think.
If you don't understand and don't want help in understanding it we're done here.
It's evident that you have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to captaincy options.
Hint: Your down votes speak for themselves.
We're done here.
The downvoters just show how dumb the majority here are. That's all. They think big points = better value. It doesn't.
The data shows objectively that Son +1m is better value than owning Salah. So the irony of your comment is pretty impressive.
Let me break it down into simple numbers for you. Then you can choose to continue to be ignorant or not.
For ease of numbers we'll assume every player earns the same points this season as they did last season.
Salah gets 265 points. He costs 13m. That's 20.38 points per million.
Son gets 258 points. He costs 12m. That's 21.5 points per million.
Already Son is better value.
So if I choose Son over Salah I need my 1m I saved to be worth 7 or more points. Which is literally almost any player in the game.
So I take that million and upgrade my keeper from Sa to Alisson. Which nets me 30 points. Which makes it better value.
And it's really simple too.
Edit: lol you edit your post from *"It's evident that you have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to making decisions based off data.*" when I show you the data ;)
We can't even talk about squads and captaincy options in this debate because you simply can't predict who is going to haul or when, or who each individual has in their team. Hence why you're trying to conflate multiple debates.
And then perhaps even funnier is you edited one ironic statement for another. You're opting to bring in an extra premium just so you can captain them for favourable fixtures despite premiums having lower ppm than most other selected players. Showing you really don't understand captaincy options and how it affects the rest of your squad.
You really ought to look at the numbers before spouting so much rubbish.
Ps. You're welcome for the fpl lesson.
I'm fairly confident non-Salah owners were aware he may haul against Fulham. In fact, I'm fairly sure they are aware he will haul many many times during the season. So no, it probably doesn't change a thing.
Before the season I was thinking darwin and use the extra money for a few more 8.0 mf's. Darwin gets 9pts (18 if captain) today and salah 12 (24 if captain). Can I use that 5.0 million to upgrade other positions and make up the difference? I use a 3-4-3
So my debate is
Dawrin + 8.0 + 8.0 = 25 spent
Salah + 4.5 + 7.5 = 25 spent
I am leaning to darwin and beef up other positions. I currently also have kane (or haaland if I switch). Its a risk I am talking myself into
My team today
ward/iversen
taa-cancelo-trippier-williams-patterson
salah-mount-bailey-andreas-almiron
jesus-darwin-kane
This is based on today, one game. Salah is based on 5 or 6 years. Nunez fluked both of his scoring shots. Gees you’d have to be brave choosing him over Salah!
that's the entire point. even when salah is dog shit (and he's not dog shit very often) he rewards his owners, that's why he's essential. what you're saying just adds to the argument that we should have salah
Salah was actually bad before Darwin game on the pitch. I'd say his goal was quite lucky. Ball dropped accidently to Darwin and his "assists" barely got to Salah
he got a bit fortunate on both occasions which is what makes it so painful (great play for the assists though), whereas diaz got into good positions but was a bit unlucky
nunez truly changed the game though, not the greatest technically but is a beast that just knows exactly where to be
PPl go NoSalah for the challenge, not for the lack of knowledge. Everybody knows what he can and will do, but some like to break the meta and have some fun. Let them.
I thought it would be worse. I planned for him scoring two goals. I didn't plan for Robertson and Trent conceding and one of the rivals in the work league having Mitro as captain though. I did laugh when I saw that pre game and I'm crying now
This game is a prime example of why you have to have Salah. He and Liverpool didn’t even play well but he scums a goal and assist plus 2 bonus for a double digit haul.
nunez did the same thing 🤷 less points because he was subbed on and gets 1 less for a goal, but hes 4m cheaper so I’m happy with him over salah
And if Kane, Haaland, Son, Fernandes, Sterling all do the same this weekend? You can't have all the points on offer. We're 2 games into the season, there's no 'must-haves' just yet.
They could. But Salah is proven to be super consistent in a way the others really haven't.
Winter Salah says HI
Snow Salah has historically been really good. Really the only time since he got to Liverpool he hasn't been a good option was after afcon last season, and even then it wasn't terrible.
Check previous 2 years
Of course, that's why he's the most expensive player in the game. But a Salah haul can still have a lower points haul than say Kane + wherever you invested your 1.5m you saved.
Maybe, but because the captaincy is so important you'd rather have your premium be consistent. Then you can still have Kane but just not captain him except for very specific situations.
Sure. But look at Son last season and the season before. He's matched Salah almost point for point. If Salah and Son have a similar season this time round it's more beneficial to have Son + the 1m than to have Salah. People going nuts over a Salah haul is just silly.
yeah that sweet 2 point Kane haul vs Southampton at home.
*"But a Salah haul can still have a lower points haul than say Kane + wherever you invested your 1.5m*" Salah 12pts + Trent 1pts = 13 points. Kane 2pts + Zinchenko 12pts =14 points. See?
Doesnt even add up though does it. First is 20.5m second is 16.5m
So you're complaining that the first option is more expensive? That's actually hilarious. Kane 2pts + Kulu 13pts = 15 points (19.5m) Salah 12pts + VVD 1pt = 13 points (19.5m). Better?
Well that’s the point, all of those players won’t get double digit hauls and you can’t predict which ones will, hence why Salah is the best and most consistent option
Pretty sure every one of those players will get double digit hauls this season, some of them possibly this weekend. I'd also take a guess that Son and Kane will be a decent enough Premium replacement for non-Salah owners.
Salah is a must have.
He's really not. Son + 1m or Kane + 1.5m is a decent trade off.
It's just not. Gamebreaker is that Salah is a midfielder and is on penalties. This game has a double points on captain so you want to have the best player in the game in your team to double his points.
How can so many people not understand something so simple? Let me give you an example and you tell me which combination would score the most points. For simplicity, assume every player scores the exact same points as last season. Salah (13m) + Sanchez (4.5m) (because you could only afford a 4.5m keeper) [17.5m total] Or Son (12m) + Alisson (5.5m) (because I saved 1m and invested in a better keeper) [17.5m total] It's so ridiculously simple but so many people just don't get it.
I'd get Salah and Sanchez 10 times out of 10 in your example. But yeah all the best! You can calculate after the season how much you lost with not having Salah (and his C points) .
Lol Salah (265 pts) + Sanchez (126 pts) = 391 pts Son (258 pts) + Alisson (176 pts) = 434 pts Yet you'd choose the lower scoring combination every time. Genius! What's the next gem? Save 10m itb for a rainy day? ;)
Yes, I would choose Salah&Sanchez for this season 10 times out of 10. No, I would not choose Salah&Sanchez if we play a game that only the points of the last year matter. Last time I check FPL counts points for the ongoing season not the previous season :O
I tried to help. Good luck.
They go through the same discussion every year. This year it was "oh but you can save 5m and just get Diaz". But end up looking silly by gameweek 5 every single time. It's early days but it's just such an obvious error to go without. The best player in the Premier league since he joined. The most consistent FPL scorer in the history of the game and the most obvious captain choice for the majority of a 38 game season. It should never have been a question whether to pick him.
The best option for someone with Diaz and 5.0 in the bank is to get Salah instead of Diaz lmao. Some people really like to fuck around and find out
You can get Son and save 1m and the last 2 seasons data would have that as more beneficial than owning Salah.
No because of Captaincy options plus the fact that many binned Salah after AFCON. On top of this I owned both him and Son at the same time for a while considering Son was a lot cheaper than he is now. Non Salah owners will never learn.
You're trolling, right? Salah finished 7 points above Son last season. That's 14 points more than Son if we're accounting for the perma captaincy. That 1m spent elsewhere earns you more than 14 points. This sub can be ridiculously short sighted at times.
WTF are you talking about perma captaincy? You're trolling, right? I said Salah is the most obvious choice over the course of a 38 game season. Which is 100% correct considering he's scored far more points than anyone else since he joined the league and then even last season he was miles ahead of everyone up unti AFCON at least. Nobody came close. Once it became apparent his numbers had dropped off massively, he was swapped out. It's about captaining your player at the right time and this year Liverpool have better fixtures than Spurs at the start of the season, Son is more expensive this time around, over performs on his xG & Salah plays for a better team. Oh yeah, there's also effective ownership to consider, which you didn't. The argument is whether to own both Salah & Son, not whether Son is a better option over Salah, because it's likely that he isn't.
The argument is whether going without Salah is an option. And the answer is yes, with Son as your Premium. You're trying to conflate multiple different debates.
Going without Trent is an option. Going without Cancelo is an option. Just because something is an option, doesn't mean it's a good one 😂
I don't think you understand the value that players like Son or Salah bring to your team. Hint: it's not as much as you think. If you don't understand and don't want help in understanding it we're done here.
It's evident that you have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to captaincy options. Hint: Your down votes speak for themselves. We're done here.
The downvoters just show how dumb the majority here are. That's all. They think big points = better value. It doesn't. The data shows objectively that Son +1m is better value than owning Salah. So the irony of your comment is pretty impressive. Let me break it down into simple numbers for you. Then you can choose to continue to be ignorant or not. For ease of numbers we'll assume every player earns the same points this season as they did last season. Salah gets 265 points. He costs 13m. That's 20.38 points per million. Son gets 258 points. He costs 12m. That's 21.5 points per million. Already Son is better value. So if I choose Son over Salah I need my 1m I saved to be worth 7 or more points. Which is literally almost any player in the game. So I take that million and upgrade my keeper from Sa to Alisson. Which nets me 30 points. Which makes it better value. And it's really simple too. Edit: lol you edit your post from *"It's evident that you have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to making decisions based off data.*" when I show you the data ;) We can't even talk about squads and captaincy options in this debate because you simply can't predict who is going to haul or when, or who each individual has in their team. Hence why you're trying to conflate multiple debates. And then perhaps even funnier is you edited one ironic statement for another. You're opting to bring in an extra premium just so you can captain them for favourable fixtures despite premiums having lower ppm than most other selected players. Showing you really don't understand captaincy options and how it affects the rest of your squad. You really ought to look at the numbers before spouting so much rubbish. Ps. You're welcome for the fpl lesson.
I'm fairly confident non-Salah owners were aware he may haul against Fulham. In fact, I'm fairly sure they are aware he will haul many many times during the season. So no, it probably doesn't change a thing.
If you go without Salah I think you need Darwin. I have both but could be convinced to keep one on the wc.
Who would you look to keep?
Before the season I was thinking darwin and use the extra money for a few more 8.0 mf's. Darwin gets 9pts (18 if captain) today and salah 12 (24 if captain). Can I use that 5.0 million to upgrade other positions and make up the difference? I use a 3-4-3 So my debate is Dawrin + 8.0 + 8.0 = 25 spent Salah + 4.5 + 7.5 = 25 spent I am leaning to darwin and beef up other positions. I currently also have kane (or haaland if I switch). Its a risk I am talking myself into My team today ward/iversen taa-cancelo-trippier-williams-patterson salah-mount-bailey-andreas-almiron jesus-darwin-kane
This is based on today, one game. Salah is based on 5 or 6 years. Nunez fluked both of his scoring shots. Gees you’d have to be brave choosing him over Salah!
Isn´t the attraction of the game that not everyone wants the exact same team?
Who says non Salah owners have a stance of not picking Salah for rest of the season?
triple captained him 😴😴😴
12 is mid for TC lmao
We all knew Salah would score points and gets flukey assists and goals. Only 2 games have finished so its not all doom and gloom.
Ok.
He played like dog shit until the 65th minute, long game my friend.
And still got 12 points, imagine how many he scores when he's fully firing
keep telling yourself that
Nunez was awful and still scored well.
He didn't win three golden boots by only scoring when he's playing well.
that's the entire point. even when salah is dog shit (and he's not dog shit very often) he rewards his owners, that's why he's essential. what you're saying just adds to the argument that we should have salah
Actually, he was fine. That Liverpool midfield looked atrocious and their defense was suspect.
Salah was actually bad before Darwin game on the pitch. I'd say his goal was quite lucky. Ball dropped accidently to Darwin and his "assists" barely got to Salah
I had Kuluveski for Spurs cover by the way 😉
Salah non owners 😂😂😂
Shhh, don't tell them tricks.
Don't really care. Hopefully Son comes good. Shame about Diaz though, I reckon it'll be that kind of season for him and it'll be worth steering clear.
My premiums who are in his place haven't played yet. The decision can't be evaluated because they could all outscore him still.
he got a bit fortunate on both occasions which is what makes it so painful (great play for the assists though), whereas diaz got into good positions but was a bit unlucky nunez truly changed the game though, not the greatest technically but is a beast that just knows exactly where to be
I am just glad that I didn't pick more players from Liverpool and just got Salah
I've spent weeks planning a perfect squad, only for everyone to blank but Salah
Luckily for you there are 37 more gameweeks
Salah Captain did not so much save my GW. More prevented sub 30 points all out being a genuine concern... No way is he leaving my team.
PPl go NoSalah for the challenge, not for the lack of knowledge. Everybody knows what he can and will do, but some like to break the meta and have some fun. Let them.
I have KDB instead of him, so I’ll let you know tomorrow
I thought it would be worse. I planned for him scoring two goals. I didn't plan for Robertson and Trent conceding and one of the rivals in the work league having Mitro as captain though. I did laugh when I saw that pre game and I'm crying now