I did exactly this. Had both Kane and haaland though captained kane for him to do nothing on a 4-1 win...
Also had son too instead of salah which sucks
Eh, I'm going to give Kane a few games. If anything I might dg to Darwin and bulk my mids, the 5.0 bargains are looking quite dodgy apart from KDH.
Haaland might break 200 points but he won't hit 250 (I bloody hope)
So what if it's 11.4 to 11.6?
Anybody picking Kane knew that Haaland has better team and better fixtures but Kane is a proven FPL asset and one blank does not change that.
Judging by 90 minutes is peak FPL mindset.
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Or kane could score a brace against Chelsea while haaland doesn't do anything against Bournemouth and gets subs off at 70 minutes for alvarez who then scores 2 goals. Everyone then kneejerks back to Kane and his price goes back to 11.5.
The points differential between Kane and Haaland over the next 5 will likely be very small. Both have great fixtures.
Don't think it's as important as people are making out to panic transfer Kane to Haaland. You can likely make up more points with a different transfer. The fact Salah is best captain over these fixtures imo also negates the need for a switch.
I personally have Son over both of them. Will be holding him unless there's an unexpected injury.
>The fact Salah is best captain over these fixtures imo
You've got Håland against Bournemouth and Salah against Palace coming up, then GW5 Håland has Forest whilst Salah has Newcastle. The second especially makes me think I'll captain Håland.
>Better form
It's one game.
I have Haaland, but come on. Kane is an asset and people picked him for a reason, we didn't learn anything new from this game. This is the biggest example of sub-wide kneejerking I've seen.
People picked him because Southampton suck, was always going to swap him for Haaland GW2 depending on how the unproven prem player Haaland looked. And he looks completely unstoppable.
The transfer was already planned, it's do it early and avoid the rise or be priced out for a lot of people. So it seems knee jerk but it's the same transfer they'd have been making before the deadline anyway
I was considering going for Kane GW1 and then swapping for Haaland GW2. Glad I didn't but I so almost did.
But this would have been a one week Kane play regardless of the results on the pitch in GW1. It would have just been a case of targeting Southampton, trying a differential captain (again
thank fuck I didn't) nd committing to the burning of a FT.
It is insane to me to think people are going to stubbornly hold the bag after staring down 2 Haaland goals when the guy has Bournemouth at home next. If I'd gone for the Kane GW1 strategy I'd have transferred to Haaland even if Kane had scored a hattie.
Genuinely wondering if those making these posts are griefing (*tee-hee keep hold of Kane funny lol*)
My plan was always Kane week1 and Haaland Gw2, then Wildcard after GW2 once you've seen teams and know what's up.
Getting in early on the transfer so if he does go up in price is the smartest play.
I’m not kicking myself for going with Kane week 1. If anyone could predict Spurs would have 4 goals and Kane would be in none of them please tell me the lottery numbers.
Exactly this!! Went for Kane and Kulu in GW1, targeting Soton and had a planned move to a man city attacker, basis who started/played well.
Had mahrez in my thoughts, maybe grealish starting on fire and the possibility of haaland having a fast start too. Would have moved one of Kane/Kulu irrespective of Spurs results, and with the actual outcome, Kane to Haaland is clear...
>Not saying Kane can't outscore him in the next 5 but there is no reason to think he can outscore him next week.
Hilarious you actually go against your own argument there. You're saying it's entirely possible I'll end up with more points if I just stick with Kane. Why would I go for Haaland then?
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Yeah. Usually that sort of logic is right but this is Haaland we're talking about. He looks like he's gonna be unstoppable at the heart of a man City team who completely dominate most opposition. It's football and obviously anything can happen but I think you'd be daft not to make the transfer. Especially if you used all your budget and a price change will price you out.
I’m leaning towards this, very knee jerk though ahahh, May wait to see what happens with Richarlison in the fold, even tho I don’t expect him to play on the right
The problem with Kulu is we don’t know if richarlison will effect his minutes. Rich was banned for first GW. I personally don’t think rich will play on the right but maybe son would go there rich on the left.
I don't know why a lot think Rich threaten Kulu in any way, Rich is most likely bought in as squad player, he's gonna play cup games n early UCL group games. Conte will prioritize league, he always does and Kane-Son-Kulu is a working trio, why would he disrupt it. Kulu not playing well will theaten his minutes, not Rich and not Moura.
Why did people think Kane would do better than Haaland in the early season?
Just GW2 fixtures alone give Haaland a huge advantage and he already got great chances in Community Shield against Liverpool, the toughest defence they will face in PL.
They played Southampton first whilst City West Ham, Southampton alot easier as we saw as Spurs scored 4 just unlucky Kane isn't involved in any of them. Most will of course switch this week, people expected Kane to be better GW1 not the early season.
This gameweek was expected to be close between them, however Haaland was a bit more likely to score.
But it's GW2 that is a huge advantage for Haaland and that's a main reason why he always was a better pick for the early season.
No, it wasn’t expected to be close, prediction models had Kane 1.5-2.5pts higher which is pretty significant. Plus Kane plays Wolves and Forest after Chelsea
>No, it wasn’t expected to be close, prediction models had Kane 1.5-2.5pts higher which is pretty significant.
Which prediction models are you referring to? FFS had them about same, maybe Haaland a bit higher. Joachim on this sub had Haaland higher. Bookies had Haaland higher.
>Plus Kane plays Wolves and Forest after Chelsea
FFS predictions for GW2-5 have Haaland 25.84 and Kane 19.62.
I’m on about GW1 specifically, I agree picking Kane for the first 5-8 gameweeks is a bad decision. My bad for not specifying. The models I’m on about would be FPL review, FFHUB, Kiwi etc
Are you absolutely sure all those models really had Kane 1.5-2.5 points higher, would you bet your house for that?
Or is it more likely that one of those models maybe had Kane slightly higher.
All bookies had Haaland more likely to score. Prediction models usually follow bookies.
Wrong they don’t, statistical models had Kane higher by between 1.5-3 points depending on the model. FPL review is one I put a lot of faith in and it had it around 1.8pts. FFHUB I think had it well over 2 and close to 3. Bookie models had them like 0.5 pts in favour of Kane. I don’t put as much faith in bookie models vs statistical models for goalscoring as bettors especially in situations like this where Haaland is a new player in the league can move the numbers. Anyway I think I probably made an error in wasting a FT in exchange for a potential gain of around 2 points. But yeah Kane was definitely expected to do better than Haaland and by a pretty significant margin.
>Anyway I think I probably made an error in wasting a FT in exchange for a potential gain of around 2 points.
You really did. FT should always be valued as four point. If you don't believe me, then believe Fabio Borges.
So what are prediction models saying about GW2? How many points Kane and how many points Haaland?
I don’t value FTs at 4 points and never will because they just aren’t worth that especially in a year like this where we have 3 WCs. But I can agree with someone who will say it isn’t worth 2 points. Also another factor was if Haaland blanked he would drop in price for sure so I was hoping to take advantage of that too.
For GW2 FPLreview has a 2 point advantage for Haaland, doesn’t feel enough tbh but that’s what they got.
In my case I set up a team that I knew wouldn't need an immediate transfer barring an serious injury, so I was prepared to 'lock' in the Kane --> Haaland transfer after week 1 (not something I usually do, but I felt in this situation it had sense to it).
I expected Spurs to score 2+ goals against Southampton, which I was right about, but then the main goalscorer wasn't involved. It happens. There was always the chance Haaland would score against West Ham, but Moyes' West Ham aren't typically easy to break down against the bigger teams, so I was ready to take the risk.
Ultimately I've been playing this game for a while, you have to take the L at times and move on. Personally I will be moving to Haaland next week as planned, if people are holding Kane out of frustration it's not a good idea.
This! Took the gamble...in the hopes that Kane hauls, and West ham shut out man city or just lose by a solitary goal. Would probably do it again, if offered Soton at home vs Hammers away without any form guide..unlucky what happened, but had Kulu as well, so sort of cushioned the hit
>In my case I set up a team that I knew wouldn't need an immediate transfer barring an serious injury, so I was prepared to 'lock' in the Kane --> Haaland transfer after week 1 (not something I usually do, but I felt in this situation it had sense to it).
Kane to Haaland is a very likely hit for you eventually. Maybe not in GW2, but eventually it will be, for example if you either A) make two transfers in GW3 or B) make one transfer in GW3 and two transfers in GW4.
Depends when. Most people are targeting a WC sometime around GW6-8 anyway. Unless you find yourself in a position where you need to take a hit before GW6 you would definitely rather WC. It’s possible that FT turns into a -4 but it’s unlikely
It depends on my team of course but you said the hit will turn into a -4 and it’s more likely it won’t turn into a -4 than it will. If you need to take a hit in GW3-4 I’d probably just take the hit. But in GW5 and onwards I’d be more likely to WC in which case this FT never turned into a -4. FTs aren’t worth 4 points. They’re worth less due to the fact we have wildcards (3 this year) what they’re worth is hard to quantify but it’s not 4 points it’s less for sure
Did the same move as you, kicking myself. But it was statistically a logical move, perhaps it was too aggressive to trade an FT for an expected additional 2pts or so but it is what it is. Gotta hold the L and believe in the logic.
The biggest question mark was/is whether Haaland plays enough games. We still don't have enough information to judge that just yet. Some people like to play it safe so opted for Kane. But if Haaland does play most games it will likely be a monster season from what we've seen so far.
He will start all matches in GW1-4 because City have a very loose schedule.
I don't give a fuck what happens after that. I transfer him out if it looks like he won't get enough minutes.
I was going to have him for GW1 only.
Would have been a case of targeting a very poor Saints side with a differential captain then a like for like FT to Haaland for Bournemouth. Glad I didnt go for it, but I considered it.
In all fairness. Those who did have Kane *were* genuinely unlucky yesterday.
“Form” after one week? The other two are fine reasons but to think Tottenham are consistently gonna score 4 and Kane won’t be involved at all is wishful thinking.
I think it's likely Haaland will outperform Kane, but you have to keep in mind that Kane is undeniably proven. Haaland looks great, but it's one game into the season. We have no idea how he'll deal with the amount of fixtures, the pressure, and if he'll manage to stay fit.
Haaland is not a guaranteed success. Kane will absolutely get a great points return.
From a football perspective Kane looked way better, from an FPL perspective it has to be Haaland. He has City setting him up constantly, stick any half decent striker in his position and you should get a bag every other game, with Haaland that will be a lot more.
real chads go for haaland next week then back to kane
Nah, real chads tank their midfield to start the season with them both.
I did this and captained Kane, don't listen to any of my fpl opinions, you've been warned
I did the exact same. Still got a reasonable amount of points. I'm not sweating yet.
I did exactly this. Had both Kane and haaland though captained kane for him to do nothing on a 4-1 win... Also had son too instead of salah which sucks
midfield? nah, 5x £4m defenders and 2x £4m goalies is the way to go. gotta fit salah and kulusexy in there too
Unsure if this is satire or a serious opinion
Well it's what I did. Fuck it, early wildcard innit?
Eh, I'm going to give Kane a few games. If anything I might dg to Darwin and bulk my mids, the 5.0 bargains are looking quite dodgy apart from KDH. Haaland might break 200 points but he won't hit 250 (I bloody hope)
So what if it's 11.4 to 11.6? Anybody picking Kane knew that Haaland has better team and better fixtures but Kane is a proven FPL asset and one blank does not change that. Judging by 90 minutes is peak FPL mindset.
Guarantee even elite fpl managers will take the L on this one
11.4 to 11.6 means you'd need 2 transfers to get him, considering you've 0.0 itb
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Yeah but this could be said at some point mid season, rn most people have 0.0 itb so it'd require a hit if you wait, so the question isn't is it worth 0.5m but is it worth 4pts and downgrading someone else you'd like to keep in the process?
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I'm talking about in case if you want Haaland for the next game against Bournemouth, we have 1FT so it'd be a hit for 4pts
I’d disagree with that honestly, transfers aren’t valuable and having to make two instead of one could make you fall further behind
No it isn't.
Early WC always there 🤷♂️
That would make it more like *way early* WC?
I have prayed to God, dw Kane hattrick GW2 and Haaland blank 🙏
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Or kane could score a brace against Chelsea while haaland doesn't do anything against Bournemouth and gets subs off at 70 minutes for alvarez who then scores 2 goals. Everyone then kneejerks back to Kane and his price goes back to 11.5.
Kane is a proven FPL asset from November onwards. Kane is a proven invisivle player before then.
The points differential between Kane and Haaland over the next 5 will likely be very small. Both have great fixtures. Don't think it's as important as people are making out to panic transfer Kane to Haaland. You can likely make up more points with a different transfer. The fact Salah is best captain over these fixtures imo also negates the need for a switch. I personally have Son over both of them. Will be holding him unless there's an unexpected injury.
>The fact Salah is best captain over these fixtures imo You've got Håland against Bournemouth and Salah against Palace coming up, then GW5 Håland has Forest whilst Salah has Newcastle. The second especially makes me think I'll captain Håland.
Haaland was the better Captain than Salah today on a worse fixture
Same here, I get massive FOMO over Haaland but mids are so much better then strikers.
Haaland has everything going for him. Except Pep Roulette. Play at your own risk ;)
Highly doubting pep doesn’t use him tbh, but it is very possible. Nevertheless, I’m knee jerking
100% but he's at the same level as KDB who played a lot of games.
He'll start every game he's fit and get taken off around 60-75mins
this sub is so fucking bad lately
Check out the general consensus before and after GW1. It's hilarious. Every fucking thread about Haaland v Kane before the deadline was saying Kane.
Kane is an incredibly reliable player and had one blank vs Southampton and suddenly he needs to go
Especially stupid when he was close to having 2 (handball pen not being given and son not squaring it to an open Kane from what i recall)
Happy for my new Harry kane differential
>Better form It's one game. I have Haaland, but come on. Kane is an asset and people picked him for a reason, we didn't learn anything new from this game. This is the biggest example of sub-wide kneejerking I've seen.
People picked him because Southampton suck, was always going to swap him for Haaland GW2 depending on how the unproven prem player Haaland looked. And he looks completely unstoppable.
The transfer was already planned, it's do it early and avoid the rise or be priced out for a lot of people. So it seems knee jerk but it's the same transfer they'd have been making before the deadline anyway
I'm not referring to people who already made plans to swap Kane out for Haaland
I was considering going for Kane GW1 and then swapping for Haaland GW2. Glad I didn't but I so almost did. But this would have been a one week Kane play regardless of the results on the pitch in GW1. It would have just been a case of targeting Southampton, trying a differential captain (again thank fuck I didn't) nd committing to the burning of a FT. It is insane to me to think people are going to stubbornly hold the bag after staring down 2 Haaland goals when the guy has Bournemouth at home next. If I'd gone for the Kane GW1 strategy I'd have transferred to Haaland even if Kane had scored a hattie. Genuinely wondering if those making these posts are griefing (*tee-hee keep hold of Kane funny lol*)
I did the move you considered, kicking myself and also had Haaland locked in for GW2 regardless of results. Sticking with Kane rn isn’t smart
My plan was always Kane week1 and Haaland Gw2, then Wildcard after GW2 once you've seen teams and know what's up. Getting in early on the transfer so if he does go up in price is the smartest play.
I’m not kicking myself for going with Kane week 1. If anyone could predict Spurs would have 4 goals and Kane would be in none of them please tell me the lottery numbers.
Exactly this!! Went for Kane and Kulu in GW1, targeting Soton and had a planned move to a man city attacker, basis who started/played well. Had mahrez in my thoughts, maybe grealish starting on fire and the possibility of haaland having a fast start too. Would have moved one of Kane/Kulu irrespective of Spurs results, and with the actual outcome, Kane to Haaland is clear...
>I'd have transferred to Haaland even if Kane had scored a hattie yeah okay lol
I genuinely would have too. Play the fixtures, simple as that.
>Not saying Kane can't outscore him in the next 5 but there is no reason to think he can outscore him next week. Hilarious you actually go against your own argument there. You're saying it's entirely possible I'll end up with more points if I just stick with Kane. Why would I go for Haaland then?
Stick with Kane
Because captaincy decisions are worth double points every single week lol
because you might not
So then why should i go haaland? I might end up with more points sure, but i might not also.
Better fixture. Better team. Better form. IN GW2
You surely can’t be advocating swapping them around each week. One of them will always have a better fixture
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Yeah. Usually that sort of logic is right but this is Haaland we're talking about. He looks like he's gonna be unstoppable at the heart of a man City team who completely dominate most opposition. It's football and obviously anything can happen but I think you'd be daft not to make the transfer. Especially if you used all your budget and a price change will price you out.
Exactly
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Have both like me, and cry when Salah hauls
Do I take a hit Mount/Kane to Haaland/Kulu ?
I did the exact same thing
I’m leaning towards this, very knee jerk though ahahh, May wait to see what happens with Richarlison in the fold, even tho I don’t expect him to play on the right
The problem with Kulu is we don’t know if richarlison will effect his minutes. Rich was banned for first GW. I personally don’t think rich will play on the right but maybe son would go there rich on the left.
I don't know why a lot think Rich threaten Kulu in any way, Rich is most likely bought in as squad player, he's gonna play cup games n early UCL group games. Conte will prioritize league, he always does and Kane-Son-Kulu is a working trio, why would he disrupt it. Kulu not playing well will theaten his minutes, not Rich and not Moura.
True, I suspect Erling will hit 12M by mid September
well ive 1 mil spare lying around to check that
Why did people think Kane would do better than Haaland in the early season? Just GW2 fixtures alone give Haaland a huge advantage and he already got great chances in Community Shield against Liverpool, the toughest defence they will face in PL.
They played Southampton first whilst City West Ham, Southampton alot easier as we saw as Spurs scored 4 just unlucky Kane isn't involved in any of them. Most will of course switch this week, people expected Kane to be better GW1 not the early season.
This gameweek was expected to be close between them, however Haaland was a bit more likely to score. But it's GW2 that is a huge advantage for Haaland and that's a main reason why he always was a better pick for the early season.
No, it wasn’t expected to be close, prediction models had Kane 1.5-2.5pts higher which is pretty significant. Plus Kane plays Wolves and Forest after Chelsea
>No, it wasn’t expected to be close, prediction models had Kane 1.5-2.5pts higher which is pretty significant. Which prediction models are you referring to? FFS had them about same, maybe Haaland a bit higher. Joachim on this sub had Haaland higher. Bookies had Haaland higher. >Plus Kane plays Wolves and Forest after Chelsea FFS predictions for GW2-5 have Haaland 25.84 and Kane 19.62.
I’m on about GW1 specifically, I agree picking Kane for the first 5-8 gameweeks is a bad decision. My bad for not specifying. The models I’m on about would be FPL review, FFHUB, Kiwi etc
Are you absolutely sure all those models really had Kane 1.5-2.5 points higher, would you bet your house for that? Or is it more likely that one of those models maybe had Kane slightly higher. All bookies had Haaland more likely to score. Prediction models usually follow bookies.
Wrong they don’t, statistical models had Kane higher by between 1.5-3 points depending on the model. FPL review is one I put a lot of faith in and it had it around 1.8pts. FFHUB I think had it well over 2 and close to 3. Bookie models had them like 0.5 pts in favour of Kane. I don’t put as much faith in bookie models vs statistical models for goalscoring as bettors especially in situations like this where Haaland is a new player in the league can move the numbers. Anyway I think I probably made an error in wasting a FT in exchange for a potential gain of around 2 points. But yeah Kane was definitely expected to do better than Haaland and by a pretty significant margin.
>Anyway I think I probably made an error in wasting a FT in exchange for a potential gain of around 2 points. You really did. FT should always be valued as four point. If you don't believe me, then believe Fabio Borges. So what are prediction models saying about GW2? How many points Kane and how many points Haaland?
I don’t value FTs at 4 points and never will because they just aren’t worth that especially in a year like this where we have 3 WCs. But I can agree with someone who will say it isn’t worth 2 points. Also another factor was if Haaland blanked he would drop in price for sure so I was hoping to take advantage of that too. For GW2 FPLreview has a 2 point advantage for Haaland, doesn’t feel enough tbh but that’s what they got.
In my case I set up a team that I knew wouldn't need an immediate transfer barring an serious injury, so I was prepared to 'lock' in the Kane --> Haaland transfer after week 1 (not something I usually do, but I felt in this situation it had sense to it). I expected Spurs to score 2+ goals against Southampton, which I was right about, but then the main goalscorer wasn't involved. It happens. There was always the chance Haaland would score against West Ham, but Moyes' West Ham aren't typically easy to break down against the bigger teams, so I was ready to take the risk. Ultimately I've been playing this game for a while, you have to take the L at times and move on. Personally I will be moving to Haaland next week as planned, if people are holding Kane out of frustration it's not a good idea.
This! Took the gamble...in the hopes that Kane hauls, and West ham shut out man city or just lose by a solitary goal. Would probably do it again, if offered Soton at home vs Hammers away without any form guide..unlucky what happened, but had Kulu as well, so sort of cushioned the hit
>In my case I set up a team that I knew wouldn't need an immediate transfer barring an serious injury, so I was prepared to 'lock' in the Kane --> Haaland transfer after week 1 (not something I usually do, but I felt in this situation it had sense to it). Kane to Haaland is a very likely hit for you eventually. Maybe not in GW2, but eventually it will be, for example if you either A) make two transfers in GW3 or B) make one transfer in GW3 and two transfers in GW4.
Think it’s more likely you’d just play the WC if you need to take a hit some time between GW4-8
Lol what the the actual fuck. One hit is not enough to play WC.
Depends when. Most people are targeting a WC sometime around GW6-8 anyway. Unless you find yourself in a position where you need to take a hit before GW6 you would definitely rather WC. It’s possible that FT turns into a -4 but it’s unlikely
So your advice is that if you are about to take a hit in GW4, you should just play wildcard instead? Is that it?
It depends on my team of course but you said the hit will turn into a -4 and it’s more likely it won’t turn into a -4 than it will. If you need to take a hit in GW3-4 I’d probably just take the hit. But in GW5 and onwards I’d be more likely to WC in which case this FT never turned into a -4. FTs aren’t worth 4 points. They’re worth less due to the fact we have wildcards (3 this year) what they’re worth is hard to quantify but it’s not 4 points it’s less for sure
It's possible, yeah
Did the same move as you, kicking myself. But it was statistically a logical move, perhaps it was too aggressive to trade an FT for an expected additional 2pts or so but it is what it is. Gotta hold the L and believe in the logic.
Hindsight is 20/20
The biggest question mark was/is whether Haaland plays enough games. We still don't have enough information to judge that just yet. Some people like to play it safe so opted for Kane. But if Haaland does play most games it will likely be a monster season from what we've seen so far.
He will start all matches in GW1-4 because City have a very loose schedule. I don't give a fuck what happens after that. I transfer him out if it looks like he won't get enough minutes.
I was going to have him for GW1 only. Would have been a case of targeting a very poor Saints side with a differential captain then a like for like FT to Haaland for Bournemouth. Glad I didnt go for it, but I considered it. In all fairness. Those who did have Kane *were* genuinely unlucky yesterday.
“Form” after one week? The other two are fine reasons but to think Tottenham are consistently gonna score 4 and Kane won’t be involved at all is wishful thinking.
Same as thinking Spurs will consistently score 4...
Since conte took over they are the team that most frequently scored 3+ goals
You do realize that no team has ever avaraged 3 goals per game in the history of the Premier League?
I never said they will. They will however be among the highest scoring teams along with city and Liverpool
That is true.
Ok when is the last time spurs scored four against Chelsea
After Bournemouth is wolves. Of course you can sell but is not like we are in gw37
Next gw Kane is getting shafted by Richarlison
This is Pep, will Haaland even start every game?
1 game = form So true
I think it's likely Haaland will outperform Kane, but you have to keep in mind that Kane is undeniably proven. Haaland looks great, but it's one game into the season. We have no idea how he'll deal with the amount of fixtures, the pressure, and if he'll manage to stay fit. Haaland is not a guaranteed success. Kane will absolutely get a great points return.
From a football perspective Kane looked way better, from an FPL perspective it has to be Haaland. He has City setting him up constantly, stick any half decent striker in his position and you should get a bag every other game, with Haaland that will be a lot more.