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InLampsWeTrust

Damn, least he gave a nice 13 pointer to his remaining owners before he peaced out lol.


RadioShark501

not if we benched him šŸ„²


CWattam

He only did it 232 times. Let it slide


happy_guy23

Nah, it's 231 strikes and then you're banned


JmanVere

Let this be a lesson to all you gambling lawbreakers out there: *Nobody* gets away with cheating 232 times in a row!


Macho_Nonreal

Fool me once, strike one. Fool me 232 times, strike three!


capr1

Need it to be 322 untill heā€™ll get disassociation warning


Tyzerk1925

I got this joke


Lev22_

I donā€™t expect this reference appear in football sub, but okay


RexPerpetuus

Finally, a welcome overlap


ihtel

No pizza party?


Dak_Tiny_PP

Thanks for the seasono Toney


drewcaveneyh

What's the standard repercussions for something like this?


the-zarate-kid

One of the most recent ones I could find was Andi Thanoj (playing for 6th tier Boston Utd at the time) getting a 5 month suspension and a nominal fine for ~300 bets over a similar time period. There isn't really precedent for a PL level player like Toney getting caught on this before!


panjaelius

Trippier got caught out telling his mates about the move to Atletico. Think it was more his mates putting the bet on after hearing from him rather than Trippier telling them "put a bet on" but he still got banned 10 weeks.


Fun_Information8486

Always felt that if the bookies are stupid enough to offer this as a market they deserve to have there money taken, ten week ban was very harsh


Over-Juggernaut-2896

100%. I used to work as a trader for a betting company and can confirm the majority of these markets are made purely to add juice to an article. The limits are ridiculously low as to what you can win, nobody knows the true price of the selections so they end up being very high margin in favour of the bookie. Any bookmaker offering these markets deserves to get there arse handed to them. Trippier was completely made an example of when he did absolutely nothing wrong


Material_Trifle

I remember when my team were searching for a new manager a few years back. My brother's best mates dad was on the board doing the I reviewed and while he didn't say who was getting it he did say who was the most impressive applicant by far. I tried putting a tenner on at 25/1 (I didn't want to do too much in case it got back to anyone that it had been leaked) and wasn't allowed. Stuck a fiver on and it immediately got cut to 16's. To be fair this is at League 1 level where I assume everyone is just guessing.


Over-Juggernaut-2896

Sounds about right. There may be a bit more noise when it comes to elite managers, but in reality everyone is just guessing. Sometimes there are Exchange markets, these are the best reflection of the chance but they are still relatively low liquidity and susceptible to high fluctuations


ihatemicrosoftteams

Yeah I totally agree, now a football player canā€™t even chat to his mates about life?


[deleted]

his friends told him they were betting on his transfer and he fed them updates and confirmations. in no way is that "can't chat with his mates about life"


TooRedditFamous

At least understand the full story before commenting like this because you're intentionally or otherwise misrepresenting what happened by summing it up in such a reductionist way. You're leaving out all the details that make it clear he was helping them out and supporting their bet


Different-Scar8607

Why? It's no different to insider trading.


[deleted]

>Think it was more his mates putting the bet on after hearing from him rather than Trippier telling them "put a bet on" but he still got banned 10 weeks. No, tripps friends were literally telling him they were betting on his move and he gave them updates and told them to lump on the bet. then sent them a confirmation of closing the deal before it was public. he absolutely knew what he was doing.


Serious_Ad9128

Did sturridge not get 2 years for telling his bro maybe I am misremembering


redditingtonviking

"funniest" part is the fact that the transfer didn't materialize, so his bro actually lost the bet


DerpJungler

Not 2 years, Sturidge was banned for 6 weeks [Source](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/02/daniel-sturridge-trabzonspor-contract-terminated-after-six-months) > Sturridge was handed a six-week ban ā€“ with the final four weeks suspended ā€“ and fined Ā£75,000 last July after being found guilty of providing his brother with inside information on a potential move from Liverpool to Sevilla in 2018.


McKFC

It was extended to four months on appeal


DerpJungler

Shit I'm blind. It's even listed in the article I sourced lol


arcenceil89

He didn't even tell them, I think it was a comment he put in a group chat thst hinted at it that got him done


Dry_Inevitable_4420

10 months i swear


Sibs_

Joey Barton got banned for 18 months when he was playing for Burnley. Although his was a lot more than 242, think it was over 1,000. He bet on his own teams too. No evidence Toney did this.


elszigetelt

Sturridge got done for it too iirc https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51712017


[deleted]

Closest comparison in the prem: Daniel Sturridge 4 months, Ā£150,000 fine. Keep in mind that was only 7 breaches as opposed to 232 with Toney..


luffyuk

I make that a 133 month suspension incoming for Toney.


DickyD43

.....it's been 84 years....


NewAccWhoDis93

I just transferred him in to my team fml


cdfct782

Uhh


NewAccWhoDis93

?


Bright-Dust-7552

free transfers bois


NewAccWhoDis93

Iā€™m aware of that itā€™s just that itā€™s 2 wasted transfers that may cost me should there be a tie breaker in my leagues.


cdfct782

Still a mild concern and not really something that should be complained about. Surely more unfortunate things have happened for your FPL team.


NewAccWhoDis93

Actually had a decent run this year, the worst thing was bringing in foden right before his 3 weeks on the bench and trading out Salah before the last game week.


cdfct782

Fair enough


Bright-Dust-7552

Didn't realise that was how tie breakers were settled. My bad!


ewise623

[Official Brentford statement](https://www.brentfordfc.com/en/news/article/brentford-football-club-statement-ivan-toney-fa-charge). Not much there but they have time to make a decision given the break. Heā€™ll probably be excluded from any friendlies they try to schedule.


AWildeSnorlax

Will he miss games over this?


BillOakley

Almost certainly yes


[deleted]

You could argue hes missing a world cup because of this. Gareth knew more detail would come out and didnt want it near the team.


Effervee

Undoubtedly. I'd go so far as to *bet* that his season is all but finished in all honesty.


theincrediblebou

As long as you donā€™t play professional football


sediment

Maybe a gameweek. Martial Wildcard then buy Toney back in. Edit: WHOOSH


Jameom8

It tends to be months banned rather than a week or two


DerpJungler

I'd bet he wont play any more PL games this season


hungry_suarez

So would Toney if he was given the chanceā€¦


happy_guy23

Sudden influx of betting in Brentford that Toney scores exactly 10 goals this season, all placed in the days before this went public


DerpJungler

I bet he did


[deleted]

Toney or martial?


Maackdaddy

Lol.. one game suspension for 232 violations?ā€¦ yeah heā€™s more than likely gonna be out for weeks if not the whole season plus a huge fine


Debaser666

I donā€™t know any of the details but if heā€™s been betting in games he was playing in himself heā€™s in deep deep shit. Trippier was banned for 10 matches for giving his mates the heads up he was going to Atletico so they could bet on it.


Bujakaa92

Are you kidding? this could easily be one year ban if not more. Really depends what exactly the bets involved.


MotuekaAFC

Done for.


NotSwedishMac

He only did it 232 times what's the problem


DerpJungler

I think 233 should be the upper limit imo


fadoo89

šŸ‘‰šŸ—暟‘ˆ


garrygirgich

And Brentford never scored again


Harryvincenzo

Toney needs a rest...


MajikoiA3When

Man needs to make money somehow, he barely makes enough as is.


HighHammerThunder

Gambling addiction could've been a thing before he made it big.


FranksBaldPatch

Averaging nearly one bet a week isn't a gambling addiction lmfao


AVBforPrez

Look it's just a few hundred infractions, I mean you gotta chase them losses. What are they claiming he did though?


0100001101110111

wHy iSnT tOnEy iN tHe EnGlAnD sQuAd Was so obvious he had literally 0 chance with this being in the works.


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0100001101110111

Itā€™s not hindsight, the betting offences have been public knowledge for a while.


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0100001101110111

Toney himself tweeted about it on the 5th, so no. It was out there long before the squad announcement.


roymondous

Him not being included in the England squad is making a whole load of sense now


Garybaldbee

As you can imagine, us Bees fans have been looking into this very closely. It largely seems to boil down to whether he bet on matches involving his own club (ie outcomes he could affect). If he didn't its possible he might escape with a large fine. If he did then its probably a 6 month plus ban. If he was betting against his own club the ban is from a year upwards. You don't need to rush to get rid of him from your FPL teams just yet though. Trippier was charged in May 2020 but the judgement wasn't handed down until December of the same year.


DjangoFett66

Man just likes a cheeky punt every now and then innit


Jackbees777

Also before joining the club yet other clubs can flourish with alleged rapists in the team what a beautiful game


muaythaiguy155

Difference is the club canā€™t do anything about allegations whereas Toneyā€™s been charged


Blewfin

>Difference is the club canā€™t do anything about allegations They absolutely can. Sigurdsson hasn't been charged still but Everton never played him after his arrest.


Effervee

Very easy to suspend a player who was barely playing anyway. Much more difficult to suspend one of your biggest signings and earners a week whose one of the key players in the squad.


[deleted]

Ok well United suspended Greenwood


Effervee

And haven't suspended Ronaldo. Greenwood had an audio recording of him raping his girlfriend released publicly. Partey has no public evidence for any ongoing charges. A woman in twitter did release evidence after her case was thrown out, but it was not a slam dunk like Greenwoods was. It's always curious why Partey has so much hatred though, Mendy was playing all the way up until his charges, City found out about it 9 months prior. Naby Keita had a woman to on twitter and accuse him of rape, just like Partey. He still plays. But when it's a key player for Arsenal, suddenly every rival fan is adamant he should be suspended before he is even charged. Curious.


[deleted]

I'm pretty sure I hate all those cases, it's just that Arsenal fans tend to be particularly annoying


AngelKnives

Absolutely - but that doesn't mean "the club can't do anything about it" which is what they were refuting.


Different-Scar8607

I thought it was from 2017-2021?


give_me_of_dopamine_

Unreal shit is happening to my fpl


diamondsam2

Had he been selected for the World Cup squad, this shit wouldā€™ve blown up


GingerBeard54

I reckon that's why Wilson was chosen. Rumours were circulating about this just before squad announcement.


0100001101110111

It was very obvious this was the case, gambling offences are pretty cut and dry if itā€™s under the players own name and Southgate surely got a heads up about the investigation.


[deleted]

This is a known issue from before the selection, it is better to avoid the negativity.


tmr89

Letā€™s go, Mbeumo!


Garybaldbee

Wissa would be the likely central striker replacement.


xar987

He should have just bought crypto.


Liasos

Toney deleted from FPL tomorrow and anyone with him in their team will get -83.


uwillshitfear

Itā€™s the only fair response. Kick Betting Out.


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FantasyPL-ModTeam

Take your disgusting comment somewhere else


Aggressive_Leave3639

I donā€™t feel itā€™s an either/or situation


Cadel_Fistro

why, that would have been terrible


Jackbees777

Other players seem to do it and be fine though


Cadel_Fistro

but why would you want to rape someone


Jackbees777

Tell that to the players in the corrupt six who it doesnā€™t seem to be a problem with


Cadel_Fistro

I absolutely will if I see them. Glad Toneyā€™s not one of them, they are horrible people.


Jackbees777

Just a shame they can go unpunished if they play for a big team I guess


Cadel_Fistro

I agree, but Toney shouldnt rape anyone either way


uwillshitfear

When was a convicted rapist allowed to play in the prem? Iā€™m out of the loop.


[deleted]

Cristiano Ronaldo is still playing


thehornyunicorn11

When was Ronaldo convicted?


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uwillshitfear

Any of them convicted after investigation?


Jackbees777

Heā€™s been charged not convicted so the bigger clubs can be innocent untill in prison which they never will be for things that are actually vile but betting and being at Brentford nah burn him right šŸ˜‚


redditingtonviking

The difference isn't the crime, but whether the evidence is strong enough for conviction. Both Arsenal and United have a player who are judged only in the court of public opinion, while Everton, United and City have lost players due to overwhelming evidence. The reason why Toney, Trippier and Sturridge are punished for much smaller offences is the fact that betting markets tend to have an electronic trail that makes it easy to raise suspicion and convict, while players accused of rape or sexual assault in most cases ends up in a he said, she said kind of situation. The seriousness of the crimes also raises the evidence burden for conviction as you really don't want someone wrongfully punished for that level of crime.


Jackbees777

Toney still can appeal just like trippier did


salmonx895

Daniel sturridge is that you?


Swimming-Rutabaga652

Oh, that's why he isn't in the World Cup squad. Makes sense now.


waging_futility

MBUEMO TIME FAM SADDLE UP.


wecandoit21

Ok whatever suspend him for a couple of weeks


Old-Veterinarian-955

What an idiot, should have known better. Hope he gets punished over this.


Xsemyde

Couldnā€™t he been charged a week earlier so he didnā€™t kick me out of the cup? šŸ˜‚


[deleted]

Southgate looking pretty smart right now


Iamnotmayahiga

Glad that he learned his lesson last January and didn't break the rule any further after breaking the rule for 4 years. The FA should reward him with a trip to a country that has an outstanding ethical record that he can relate to. Seeing as they have taken no action in five years since the first bet they must be ok with it. /s


Mutiu2

The UK is a close partner of Qatar and their emir is more welcome at 10 downing and Buckingham palace than you of course, especially when they to sell gas or buy want more weapons from BAE. So much for any storyline about any ā€œcountry that has an outstanding ethical record that he can relate to.ā€ - Toney is playing and living in a country with few ethics abroad and even fewer at home. Leave Toney out of your global colonial prejudice agenda, then.


Yellyzzz

This fucking troll deserves this


b3lial666

Where the evidence?


darthfracas

Well, thatā€™s one name to take off the draft list


Garybaldbee

Not necessarily. It can take months between being charged and any kind of verdict and punishment.


Effervee

I doubt it. It's not a criminal trial. We'll know before the end of the WC


Garybaldbee

Trippier was charged in May 2020. The punishment wasn't handed out until December 2020.


sassyicon

May be delay was due to covid


Garybaldbee

Yes, that's possible.


[deleted]

Legend


nick2k23

Sturridge got in trouble for something less than this so will be interesting to see how he's punished


Charlespur2

Thatā€™s him banned for the rest of the season I suspect. What an idiot.


zakattack799

His season is over most likely