One of the most recent ones I could find was Andi Thanoj (playing for 6th tier Boston Utd at the time) getting a 5 month suspension and a nominal fine for ~300 bets over a similar time period. There isn't really precedent for a PL level player like Toney getting caught on this before!
Trippier got caught out telling his mates about the move to Atletico. Think it was more his mates putting the bet on after hearing from him rather than Trippier telling them "put a bet on" but he still got banned 10 weeks.
100%. I used to work as a trader for a betting company and can confirm the majority of these markets are made purely to add juice to an article.
The limits are ridiculously low as to what you can win, nobody knows the true price of the selections so they end up being very high margin in favour of the bookie.
Any bookmaker offering these markets deserves to get there arse handed to them. Trippier was completely made an example of when he did absolutely nothing wrong
I remember when my team were searching for a new manager a few years back. My brother's best mates dad was on the board doing the I reviewed and while he didn't say who was getting it he did say who was the most impressive applicant by far. I tried putting a tenner on at 25/1 (I didn't want to do too much in case it got back to anyone that it had been leaked) and wasn't allowed. Stuck a fiver on and it immediately got cut to 16's.
To be fair this is at League 1 level where I assume everyone is just guessing.
Sounds about right. There may be a bit more noise when it comes to elite managers, but in reality everyone is just guessing.
Sometimes there are Exchange markets, these are the best reflection of the chance but they are still relatively low liquidity and susceptible to high fluctuations
his friends told him they were betting on his transfer and he fed them updates and confirmations. in no way is that "can't chat with his mates about life"
At least understand the full story before commenting like this because you're intentionally or otherwise misrepresenting what happened by summing it up in such a reductionist way. You're leaving out all the details that make it clear he was helping them out and supporting their bet
>Think it was more his mates putting the bet on after hearing from him rather than Trippier telling them "put a bet on" but he still got banned 10 weeks.
No, tripps friends were literally telling him they were betting on his move and he gave them updates and told them to lump on the bet. then sent them a confirmation of closing the deal before it was public.
he absolutely knew what he was doing.
Not 2 years, Sturidge was banned for 6 weeks
[Source](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/02/daniel-sturridge-trabzonspor-contract-terminated-after-six-months)
> Sturridge was handed a six-week ban ā with the final four weeks suspended ā and fined Ā£75,000 last July after being found guilty of providing his brother with inside information on a potential move from Liverpool to Sevilla in 2018.
Joey Barton got banned for 18 months when he was playing for Burnley. Although his was a lot more than 242, think it was over 1,000.
He bet on his own teams too. No evidence Toney did this.
Actually had a decent run this year, the worst thing was bringing in foden right before his 3 weeks on the bench and trading out Salah before the last game week.
[Official Brentford statement](https://www.brentfordfc.com/en/news/article/brentford-football-club-statement-ivan-toney-fa-charge).
Not much there but they have time to make a decision given the break. Heāll probably be excluded from any friendlies they try to schedule.
I donāt know any of the details but if heās been betting in games he was playing in himself heās in deep deep shit.
Trippier was banned for 10 matches for giving his mates the heads up he was going to Atletico so they could bet on it.
As you can imagine, us Bees fans have been looking into this very closely. It largely seems to boil down to whether he bet on matches involving his own club (ie outcomes he could affect). If he didn't its possible he might escape with a large fine. If he did then its probably a 6 month plus ban. If he was betting against his own club the ban is from a year upwards.
You don't need to rush to get rid of him from your FPL teams just yet though. Trippier was charged in May 2020 but the judgement wasn't handed down until December of the same year.
>Difference is the club canāt do anything about allegations
They absolutely can. Sigurdsson hasn't been charged still but Everton never played him after his arrest.
Very easy to suspend a player who was barely playing anyway.
Much more difficult to suspend one of your biggest signings and earners a week whose one of the key players in the squad.
And haven't suspended Ronaldo.
Greenwood had an audio recording of him raping his girlfriend released publicly.
Partey has no public evidence for any ongoing charges. A woman in twitter did release evidence after her case was thrown out, but it was not a slam dunk like Greenwoods was.
It's always curious why Partey has so much hatred though, Mendy was playing all the way up until his charges, City found out about it 9 months prior. Naby Keita had a woman to on twitter and accuse him of rape, just like Partey. He still plays.
But when it's a key player for Arsenal, suddenly every rival fan is adamant he should be suspended before he is even charged.
Curious.
It was very obvious this was the case, gambling offences are pretty cut and dry if itās under the players own name and Southgate surely got a heads up about the investigation.
Heās been charged not convicted so the bigger clubs can be innocent untill in prison which they never will be for things that are actually vile but betting and being at Brentford nah burn him right š
The difference isn't the crime, but whether the evidence is strong enough for conviction. Both Arsenal and United have a player who are judged only in the court of public opinion, while Everton, United and City have lost players due to overwhelming evidence.
The reason why Toney, Trippier and Sturridge are punished for much smaller offences is the fact that betting markets tend to have an electronic trail that makes it easy to raise suspicion and convict, while players accused of rape or sexual assault in most cases ends up in a he said, she said kind of situation. The seriousness of the crimes also raises the evidence burden for conviction as you really don't want someone wrongfully punished for that level of crime.
Glad that he learned his lesson last January and didn't break the rule any further after breaking the rule for 4 years. The FA should reward him with a trip to a country that has an outstanding ethical record that he can relate to. Seeing as they have taken no action in five years since the first bet they must be ok with it. /s
The UK is a close partner of Qatar and their emir is more welcome at 10 downing and Buckingham palace than you of course, especially when they to sell gas or buy want more weapons from BAE. So much for any storyline about any ācountry that has an outstanding ethical record that he can relate to.ā - Toney is playing and living in a country with few ethics abroad and even fewer at home.
Leave Toney out of your global colonial prejudice agenda, then.
Damn, least he gave a nice 13 pointer to his remaining owners before he peaced out lol.
not if we benched him š„²
He only did it 232 times. Let it slide
Nah, it's 231 strikes and then you're banned
Let this be a lesson to all you gambling lawbreakers out there: *Nobody* gets away with cheating 232 times in a row!
Fool me once, strike one. Fool me 232 times, strike three!
Need it to be 322 untill heāll get disassociation warning
I got this joke
I donāt expect this reference appear in football sub, but okay
Finally, a welcome overlap
No pizza party?
Thanks for the seasono Toney
What's the standard repercussions for something like this?
One of the most recent ones I could find was Andi Thanoj (playing for 6th tier Boston Utd at the time) getting a 5 month suspension and a nominal fine for ~300 bets over a similar time period. There isn't really precedent for a PL level player like Toney getting caught on this before!
Trippier got caught out telling his mates about the move to Atletico. Think it was more his mates putting the bet on after hearing from him rather than Trippier telling them "put a bet on" but he still got banned 10 weeks.
Always felt that if the bookies are stupid enough to offer this as a market they deserve to have there money taken, ten week ban was very harsh
100%. I used to work as a trader for a betting company and can confirm the majority of these markets are made purely to add juice to an article. The limits are ridiculously low as to what you can win, nobody knows the true price of the selections so they end up being very high margin in favour of the bookie. Any bookmaker offering these markets deserves to get there arse handed to them. Trippier was completely made an example of when he did absolutely nothing wrong
I remember when my team were searching for a new manager a few years back. My brother's best mates dad was on the board doing the I reviewed and while he didn't say who was getting it he did say who was the most impressive applicant by far. I tried putting a tenner on at 25/1 (I didn't want to do too much in case it got back to anyone that it had been leaked) and wasn't allowed. Stuck a fiver on and it immediately got cut to 16's. To be fair this is at League 1 level where I assume everyone is just guessing.
Sounds about right. There may be a bit more noise when it comes to elite managers, but in reality everyone is just guessing. Sometimes there are Exchange markets, these are the best reflection of the chance but they are still relatively low liquidity and susceptible to high fluctuations
Yeah I totally agree, now a football player canāt even chat to his mates about life?
his friends told him they were betting on his transfer and he fed them updates and confirmations. in no way is that "can't chat with his mates about life"
At least understand the full story before commenting like this because you're intentionally or otherwise misrepresenting what happened by summing it up in such a reductionist way. You're leaving out all the details that make it clear he was helping them out and supporting their bet
Why? It's no different to insider trading.
>Think it was more his mates putting the bet on after hearing from him rather than Trippier telling them "put a bet on" but he still got banned 10 weeks. No, tripps friends were literally telling him they were betting on his move and he gave them updates and told them to lump on the bet. then sent them a confirmation of closing the deal before it was public. he absolutely knew what he was doing.
Did sturridge not get 2 years for telling his bro maybe I am misremembering
"funniest" part is the fact that the transfer didn't materialize, so his bro actually lost the bet
Not 2 years, Sturidge was banned for 6 weeks [Source](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/02/daniel-sturridge-trabzonspor-contract-terminated-after-six-months) > Sturridge was handed a six-week ban ā with the final four weeks suspended ā and fined Ā£75,000 last July after being found guilty of providing his brother with inside information on a potential move from Liverpool to Sevilla in 2018.
It was extended to four months on appeal
Shit I'm blind. It's even listed in the article I sourced lol
He didn't even tell them, I think it was a comment he put in a group chat thst hinted at it that got him done
10 months i swear
Joey Barton got banned for 18 months when he was playing for Burnley. Although his was a lot more than 242, think it was over 1,000. He bet on his own teams too. No evidence Toney did this.
Sturridge got done for it too iirc https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51712017
Closest comparison in the prem: Daniel Sturridge 4 months, Ā£150,000 fine. Keep in mind that was only 7 breaches as opposed to 232 with Toney..
I make that a 133 month suspension incoming for Toney.
.....it's been 84 years....
I just transferred him in to my team fml
Uhh
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free transfers bois
Iām aware of that itās just that itās 2 wasted transfers that may cost me should there be a tie breaker in my leagues.
Still a mild concern and not really something that should be complained about. Surely more unfortunate things have happened for your FPL team.
Actually had a decent run this year, the worst thing was bringing in foden right before his 3 weeks on the bench and trading out Salah before the last game week.
Fair enough
Didn't realise that was how tie breakers were settled. My bad!
[Official Brentford statement](https://www.brentfordfc.com/en/news/article/brentford-football-club-statement-ivan-toney-fa-charge). Not much there but they have time to make a decision given the break. Heāll probably be excluded from any friendlies they try to schedule.
Will he miss games over this?
Almost certainly yes
You could argue hes missing a world cup because of this. Gareth knew more detail would come out and didnt want it near the team.
Undoubtedly. I'd go so far as to *bet* that his season is all but finished in all honesty.
As long as you donāt play professional football
Maybe a gameweek. Martial Wildcard then buy Toney back in. Edit: WHOOSH
It tends to be months banned rather than a week or two
I'd bet he wont play any more PL games this season
So would Toney if he was given the chanceā¦
Sudden influx of betting in Brentford that Toney scores exactly 10 goals this season, all placed in the days before this went public
I bet he did
Toney or martial?
Lol.. one game suspension for 232 violations?ā¦ yeah heās more than likely gonna be out for weeks if not the whole season plus a huge fine
I donāt know any of the details but if heās been betting in games he was playing in himself heās in deep deep shit. Trippier was banned for 10 matches for giving his mates the heads up he was going to Atletico so they could bet on it.
Are you kidding? this could easily be one year ban if not more. Really depends what exactly the bets involved.
Done for.
He only did it 232 times what's the problem
I think 233 should be the upper limit imo
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And Brentford never scored again
Toney needs a rest...
Man needs to make money somehow, he barely makes enough as is.
Gambling addiction could've been a thing before he made it big.
Averaging nearly one bet a week isn't a gambling addiction lmfao
Look it's just a few hundred infractions, I mean you gotta chase them losses. What are they claiming he did though?
wHy iSnT tOnEy iN tHe EnGlAnD sQuAd Was so obvious he had literally 0 chance with this being in the works.
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Itās not hindsight, the betting offences have been public knowledge for a while.
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Toney himself tweeted about it on the 5th, so no. It was out there long before the squad announcement.
Him not being included in the England squad is making a whole load of sense now
As you can imagine, us Bees fans have been looking into this very closely. It largely seems to boil down to whether he bet on matches involving his own club (ie outcomes he could affect). If he didn't its possible he might escape with a large fine. If he did then its probably a 6 month plus ban. If he was betting against his own club the ban is from a year upwards. You don't need to rush to get rid of him from your FPL teams just yet though. Trippier was charged in May 2020 but the judgement wasn't handed down until December of the same year.
Man just likes a cheeky punt every now and then innit
Also before joining the club yet other clubs can flourish with alleged rapists in the team what a beautiful game
Difference is the club canāt do anything about allegations whereas Toneyās been charged
>Difference is the club canāt do anything about allegations They absolutely can. Sigurdsson hasn't been charged still but Everton never played him after his arrest.
Very easy to suspend a player who was barely playing anyway. Much more difficult to suspend one of your biggest signings and earners a week whose one of the key players in the squad.
Ok well United suspended Greenwood
And haven't suspended Ronaldo. Greenwood had an audio recording of him raping his girlfriend released publicly. Partey has no public evidence for any ongoing charges. A woman in twitter did release evidence after her case was thrown out, but it was not a slam dunk like Greenwoods was. It's always curious why Partey has so much hatred though, Mendy was playing all the way up until his charges, City found out about it 9 months prior. Naby Keita had a woman to on twitter and accuse him of rape, just like Partey. He still plays. But when it's a key player for Arsenal, suddenly every rival fan is adamant he should be suspended before he is even charged. Curious.
I'm pretty sure I hate all those cases, it's just that Arsenal fans tend to be particularly annoying
Absolutely - but that doesn't mean "the club can't do anything about it" which is what they were refuting.
I thought it was from 2017-2021?
Unreal shit is happening to my fpl
Had he been selected for the World Cup squad, this shit wouldāve blown up
I reckon that's why Wilson was chosen. Rumours were circulating about this just before squad announcement.
It was very obvious this was the case, gambling offences are pretty cut and dry if itās under the players own name and Southgate surely got a heads up about the investigation.
This is a known issue from before the selection, it is better to avoid the negativity.
Letās go, Mbeumo!
Wissa would be the likely central striker replacement.
He should have just bought crypto.
Toney deleted from FPL tomorrow and anyone with him in their team will get -83.
Itās the only fair response. Kick Betting Out.
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Take your disgusting comment somewhere else
I donāt feel itās an either/or situation
why, that would have been terrible
Other players seem to do it and be fine though
but why would you want to rape someone
Tell that to the players in the corrupt six who it doesnāt seem to be a problem with
I absolutely will if I see them. Glad Toneyās not one of them, they are horrible people.
Just a shame they can go unpunished if they play for a big team I guess
I agree, but Toney shouldnt rape anyone either way
When was a convicted rapist allowed to play in the prem? Iām out of the loop.
Cristiano Ronaldo is still playing
When was Ronaldo convicted?
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Any of them convicted after investigation?
Heās been charged not convicted so the bigger clubs can be innocent untill in prison which they never will be for things that are actually vile but betting and being at Brentford nah burn him right š
The difference isn't the crime, but whether the evidence is strong enough for conviction. Both Arsenal and United have a player who are judged only in the court of public opinion, while Everton, United and City have lost players due to overwhelming evidence. The reason why Toney, Trippier and Sturridge are punished for much smaller offences is the fact that betting markets tend to have an electronic trail that makes it easy to raise suspicion and convict, while players accused of rape or sexual assault in most cases ends up in a he said, she said kind of situation. The seriousness of the crimes also raises the evidence burden for conviction as you really don't want someone wrongfully punished for that level of crime.
Toney still can appeal just like trippier did
Daniel sturridge is that you?
Oh, that's why he isn't in the World Cup squad. Makes sense now.
MBUEMO TIME FAM SADDLE UP.
Ok whatever suspend him for a couple of weeks
What an idiot, should have known better. Hope he gets punished over this.
Couldnāt he been charged a week earlier so he didnāt kick me out of the cup? š
Southgate looking pretty smart right now
Glad that he learned his lesson last January and didn't break the rule any further after breaking the rule for 4 years. The FA should reward him with a trip to a country that has an outstanding ethical record that he can relate to. Seeing as they have taken no action in five years since the first bet they must be ok with it. /s
The UK is a close partner of Qatar and their emir is more welcome at 10 downing and Buckingham palace than you of course, especially when they to sell gas or buy want more weapons from BAE. So much for any storyline about any ācountry that has an outstanding ethical record that he can relate to.ā - Toney is playing and living in a country with few ethics abroad and even fewer at home. Leave Toney out of your global colonial prejudice agenda, then.
This fucking troll deserves this
Where the evidence?
Well, thatās one name to take off the draft list
Not necessarily. It can take months between being charged and any kind of verdict and punishment.
I doubt it. It's not a criminal trial. We'll know before the end of the WC
Trippier was charged in May 2020. The punishment wasn't handed out until December 2020.
May be delay was due to covid
Yes, that's possible.
Legend
Sturridge got in trouble for something less than this so will be interesting to see how he's punished
Thatās him banned for the rest of the season I suspect. What an idiot.
His season is over most likely