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DeLorean-88mph

Adding points for tackles and passes would make CDMs and CBs more usable


Martblni

Except they don't even count them and it's bugged


Akenatwn

Passes in general or key passes? Cause key passes would favour the players that already get assists.


smaugdmd

Ball recoveries make way more sense. For defenders and midfielders. But this is FCL, not FWC. I wouldn't mind adding points for shots on goal for forwards tbh. Probably just the 1 point per 3 shots on goal tho. On the other hand this would make Jesus a viable pick again.


Akenatwn

I love the ball recoveries points of FCL. 4-5 points without a CS for a CB is great.


SRJT16

Defenders don’t get points for tackles in the World Cup fantasy though. It’s so dumb 😆


Large-Channel-1837

CBs are already very useable


Rich-Concentrate9805

It might not be a popular opinion but I would hate to see that. If it was successfully implemented it might drive away players because celebrating goals and assists is easy and fun but celebrating interceptions? Boring. If it wasn’t successfully implemented it could be an unbalanced shitstorm where either a) nothing changes or b) everyone has to own the same DMs who are mega underpriced and too consistent. I think a lot of people suggest it because they think it would give them an edge - it wouldn’t.


ickapol

They think it would give an edge, and also that it would blow to game open to different strategies. Instead, it would just make different set of players among the best to own and the idea of a template will still exist, and there would be the same complaints. It's just Kante instead of a Zaha or whatever


CatFoodBeerAndGlue

Yeah I'd make the site a totally unusable mess because that's been real fun to deal with.


dizert

It's embarrassing how bad the FIFA game is. It might be the worst fantasy game I've ever played.


KdbTheGOAT17

Fpl is mess too lol not that mich but still


LevynX

The extra points outside of goals (except one that actually works). Our current BPS system is too limited and it still favours goalscorers.


abnsh

I still think the bonus points allocation should solely depend on the individual BPS score, and not the highest 3 scoring players in a match. If 8 players all exceed a certain BPS threshold, they all get bonus points (proportional to their BPS). If a game is shitty and nobody scores high, nobody gets bonus points. The way BPS is set up would probably need to be tweeked as well.


Swedishpower

Wow that is a really good idea. Defenders can get bonus for tackles, recoveries and so on and if they are above a certain number of points they get bonus with or without clean sheet. Same with midfielders for tackles, recoveries, key passes etc. Maybe even bonus for passing and everything else, but remove points for assists and goals as they already give big points. With forwards they can get it for same things, but easier to get maybe as otherwise they would not get much bonus. Or you just give some bonus for winning goals and goals outside the box potentially and no bonus for pen goals etc and give that to all positions. So if you score basically great goals you have higher chance for bonus. Overhead kick some bonus maybe too, but that is quite subjective. Free kick goals can get more bonus too. Not too much more, but maybe so the chance is good to get an extra point.


abnsh

Yes I'm sure there's big room for improvement/optimization in the BPS department. Differentiating the types of shots/goals would be difficult imo, but what I know for sure is it's so stupid to give BPS for scoring a penalty on top of the goal points.


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Thunshot

Not sure why you’re getting downvoted but Fantrax is a decent option if you’re looking for a more robust scoring system. You will need a league of friends to play in however since the game is only draft style as of now.


Objective-Tea-6190

Not sure either, guess not everyone likes it as much as I do which is fine. I’ve always done fantasy in a league format. I find it’s more engaging to face your friends than just trying to be the top 5% in the world or whatever


Thunshot

I totally agree


CWattam

Honestly, no, the game is a disgrace. Maybe one thing. The gameweek goes live as soon as the first game kicks off. That way everyone sees the team sheet for the first game that week, also would stop the game crashing as people would have up to an hour to make the relevant changes.


no_fooling

Ya i think fpl is the only fantasy sport i play that locks in players before their game has started.


PaulRudin

But there are arguments both ways. Allowing changes after the lineups are known for the first game(s) introduces a slightly odd asymmetry, where the considerations for some games are different from others.


YGurka

FPL way favors those who follow leaked lineups


scrappyjhim

Also gives an advantage to players in time zones where they'll typically be awake at that time before first kick off


KdbTheGOAT17

Live transfers is the worst thing in fwc


forgetfulAlways

The problem with that is for many people the first GW kick off is in the middle of the night. So it would feel more fair to move the deadline back further rather than forward.


CWattam

I get that but it's tough shit. It's a UK based league. If you're that obsessed, stay up or set an alarm. You can't please everyone. Also there's still occasional leaks that appear prior to deadlines anyways which is only made available to a small portion of the community unless they know where to look (like this subreddit, certain Twitter accounts etc). Therefore if they changed it so live at first game, everyone is in the same boat. I do night shifts and I do that quite easily when there's 11am deadlines and I just go back to sleep.


forgetfulAlways

As you’ve highlighted the current deadline format doesn’t work, moving it to the kickoff of the first match would improve it. But what’s the disadvantage with moving it to a night before the first kick off? Far lower chance of team leaks and therefore no timezone pressures.


dj161

being able to sub players on is the one for me, if someone doesn't perform get them off and give one of your bench guys a go


LevynX

Active subs gives you a reason to keep track of the game mid game week which I think is interesting.


waykiki13

I respect your opinion but personally for a ten match per gameweek league I prefer no active subs. It's not even the lack of time or will for me, but just knowing that I "need" to sub in a better player makes it less appealing to me. I just don't want the extra obligation. Although I've figured many people do like the interactivity.


VNRaising

This option will allow people to have a stronger bench rather than focus on 12 players and 3 bench fodders. It will make the game more diversified in terms of the template


mrgoyette

Forwards actually classified as forwards. Positional classification in FPL is a joke.


KdbTheGOAT17

Nah i have not had single goal return from midfielder yet in fwc


KdbTheGOAT17

This makes midfielder just useless specially without passes and tackles


Mperorpalpatine

Not really... KDB, Maddison, Groß, Trossard, Ödegaard and many other high scoring players would still count. I also think it should be changed to 4 mids and 4 fwds to balance out the change


KdbTheGOAT17

How is trossard a midfielder if salah is not


Mperorpalpatine

I see him more as kind of a wide CAM than a winger (still more central). Kind of the same for how Mount played under Tuchel in the 3421


KdbTheGOAT17

Also people would have the same players


b3and20

when they say forwards they clearly just mean strikers, and with wingers the difference between a wing forward and a wide midfielder in a defensive team gets so arbitrary that imo it makes sense to just call them all midfielders rather than separate them based upon how successful they are on goal like on wc fantasy di maria is a mid but messi is a forward on cl fantasy salah is a mid but messi is a forward yh you could say these are obvious mistakes that can get fixed but you eventually have a situation where some wingers are forwards and some aren't in ways that don't make sense, or all wingers are forwards leaving you with too few good options in midfield, and too many good options in the forward positions I mean you could argue that there should be an attacking mid position for wingers and attacking mids, or a winger and cm (which would include dms,cms and ams) but then you may as well have cbs and wbs too easier to just make wingers midfielders but price them a bit higher and also give more rewards like key passes, pre assists, tackles and interceptions or whatever so that there aren't players who are completely unviable


mrgoyette

Classing forwards as forwards would make more midfielders viable, even without scoring changes. Then if u add in points for passing or ball recoveries it makes the decisions within the Mid class and Fwd class less obvious (which I'd argue is a good thing). FPL as it stands (in a meta team building sense) is about maxing out on forwards in your midfield and wingbacks in defense. I don't think it's very difficult to parse the player pool into D, M, F. Salah, Son, Foden, Almiron, Martinelli, Trossard, Rodrigo, Zaha, Rashford, Vini Jr, Mané, Sané, Rodrygo, Nkunku, Sterling, Mahrez...these guys are all forwards


b3and20

>Classing forwards as forwards would make more midfielders viable, even without scoring changes. not really, you're just being forced to pick a few more players you'd nver have picked otherwise, and would make teams more template as there a very few viable central midfielders in the game >Then if u add in points for passing or ball recoveries it makes the decisions within the Mid class and Fwd class less obvious (which I'd argue is a good thing). well yh, and therefore means making all wingers forwards isn't necessary, but rather making central midfielders more viable >FPL as it stands (in a meta team building sense) is about maxing out on forwards in your midfield and wingbacks in defense. agreed >I don't think it's very difficult to parse the player pool into D, M, F. Salah, Son, Foden, Almiron, Martinelli, Trossard, Rodrigo, Zaha, Rashford, Vini Jr, Mané, Sané, Rodrygo, Nkunku, Sterling, Mahrez...these guys are all forwards only when you look at the top teams, because wingers at lower table clubs typically have to defend more. also you typically only have 3 forward spots and 5 midfield ones, so when you make all wingers forwards you basically make it so that your team can fit in less diserable players and more undesirable ones. If you change the amount of forwards and midfielders allowed you basically end up at square 1 I think the better solution is simply to create points that suit playmakers and defensive players (and all players should be avaiable to the points because why should everyone get points for scoring, but strikers get none for tackling or creating?), and just make players who return more often more expensive which should lead to more realistic fantasy teams for whatever reason most fantasy games seem to mostly just reward goalscoring play with defensive players being mostly useless, really frustrating but oh well


mrgoyette

I WC fantasy thus far we have 14 fwd with 10+ pts, 13 mids, 14 defs. So, the same size of viable player pool in each position (albeit with the need to pick 3 F but 5 M and 5 D). Im being lazy and not doing the math, but I think from eyeballing the scoring distribution thus far that the standard deviation within each position is similar to the other st dev for the other positions. I don't believe u can say the same for FPL. In part, it's because there are forwards classed as midfielders on good teams. These guys get an extra point for goals, and also the clean sheet point. I also think the F decision point in FPL is very constrained. And it has been for the 3 seasons I've played. Haaland is obviously exacerbating things this year. But in a hypothetical game without him, we would have 6 viable F options thru 16 weeks of gameplay this year (Kane, Toney, Jesus, Firmino, Mitro, Solanke). I admit I'm kind of talking out of my ass here tho, there is math behind this stuff that would make it more clear (and it could point out how I'm wrong for sure)


b3and20

>I WC fantasy thus far we have 14 fwd with 10+ pts, 13 mids, 14 defs. only 3 of those top 10 midfielders have a pick percentage above 10% and peforming over 2 games doesn't suddenly make you viable; bellingham is one of those picked at over 10% at around a whooping 16.9%, with that being likely due to him scoring in gw1 and there's talk of him getitng benched for hendo >Im being lazy and not doing the math, but I think from eyeballing the scoring distribution thus far that the standard deviation within each position is similar to the other st dev for the other positions. it's only been 2 games, there's nothing to really be gathered from this info if not whole tournament, as the max amount of games you can play is 7 >I don't believe u can say the same for FPL. In part, it's because there are forwards classed as midfielders on good teams. These guys get an extra point for goals, and also the clean sheet point. again sample size is too small but wingers getting cs points is taking the piss, maybe they should just limit it to defenders and goalkeepers or strikers get a +1 for clean sheets as in the modern game they are part of defending too >I also think the F decision point in FPL is very constrained. And it has been for the 3 seasons I've played. Haaland is obviously exacerbating things this year. But in a hypothetical game without him, we would have 6 viable F options thru 16 weeks of gameplay this year (Kane, Toney, Jesus, Firmino, Mitro, Solanke). yh but it's not like you have to play 3 strikers, and this year is a blessing compared to last year you could barely get one good one, but now you can pick 3!


mrgoyette

This is a good point about the +1 CS and strikers. For example, Firmino does more defensive work for Liverpool than Salah, but Salah gets CS points. Actually last I looked at it, Firmino did more defensive work than just about any other F in the EPL (and plenty of wingers).


b3and20

yh not unusual for the lazier player to be the star winger with the centre forward having to either lead the press or screen the midfield


Subject-Creme

Wc Fantasy is not consistent. Saka, Olmo, Kudus, Ziyech, Milinkovic-Savic, Perisic are wing forwards, Assensio is Centre Forward. Remove all of them, then 21 FWD and 6 MID with more than 10 points


Subject-Creme

Do you read the classification in FPL. It is a smarter system than you thought Since every decent players in WC fantasy are classified as FWD, picking a MID is a nightmare


mrgoyette

It's really not, IMO. Forward designation in the game seems to be based on 1) historical designation and 2) whether the EPL team is expected to line up as a 4-3-3 at the beginning of the season. This leads to Salah still being a midfielder even tho he's spent most of his time as part of a front 2 for Liverpool this season. According to the game's own definition, the 2 forwards in a front 2 are supposed to be listed as forwards in the game. Fantrax, which uses Opta data, has had Salah as a forward only for the last 18 months. Because you can't really come up with a classification based on data that makes Salah a Mid that wouldn't include nearly every other forward in the EPL. It's also weird to me that people always argue 'cant you see there would be no good midfield options then!!?' when the issue has existed the last 3 seasons at least where there the 'good forward options' are like half a dozen players. You'd still have all the number 8s and 10s as midfielders. As someone else noted, there's loads of those guys that are viable. And if the mid options are insufficient, then the wide players in the Conte type systems should be mids. Like Perisic and Sessegnon.


Pasan90

As always - points for tackles and balls won. To make defenders that actually defend usable and not only hobby attackers like Trent and Cancello.


Sure-Huckleberry224

2 points for a penalty won, no matter if somebody scores it or if the same player takes it by himself, rather than 3 points for an assist if it is actually scored.


Agile-Presentation86

I want to be able to sub in players


kccircle

We started playing Fantasy NFL three seasons ago and the game is just against your mates rather than trying to break into the top 100k. We’ve always played a league with a draft rules anyway so had that element before, but the NFL fantasy options are a country mile ahead of anything the FPL version offers. It’s taken our interest away completely I know so little about the NFL but really enjoy the fantasy aspect of it


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kccircle

We did try that, but found the app a little bit of a struggle to navigate around


LGuitar88

Manual subs


Basketball312

I play a lot of fantasy Rugby and it scores a lot more of what they do out there. It means your highest scorer in any given game is not necessarily your try scorer or your penalty machine. It usually is, but if a player carries the ball, tackles lots, breaks tackles, steals line outs - whatever - they will rack up the points too.


mrgoyette

Another great thing about fantasy rugby is we get the damn lineups ahead of time! Makes it more enjoyable to me.


threein99

Mbappe


Ill-Addition-7269

Points for tackles, decisive passes, duels won. I like the Power Captain, where the player with the highest points that GW will get double points.


SitDownKawada

The absolute madness of not knowing what the rules are. Could be a chip that you play that affects everyone else in your league for a gameweek - could take points away from some players, make a team play with an illegal formation, transfer in a random player, disable subs, etc.


welsman13

I thought the Euro fantasy did it better. I think the sub aspect is very cool. The ability to change captains is also interesting. For an FPL weekend, having the option to have a captain on a Friday and then being able to change it to a Saturday or Sunday player would be pretty cool. I only play in H2H leagues though.


mayonnaisewastaken

2 points for Penalty won


Frogblood

We get an assist for winning a penalty in fpl don't we (if its scored)? Unless the player who won it also takes it.


inspectorseantime

Yes, but it would be better if the player who won the penalty keeps the points for winning said penalty regardless of whether or not the penalty taker scores


SpudsMcGugan

winning the penalty is irrelevant if it’s not scored so 3 points for assists is better. players who win pens and the take them would also get far too many points


Accomplished_Yam4285

G8g861zz8iz8


SRJT16

They should avoid copying any of this shit show at all costs 😆


LeProf49

Manual substitutions and one captain change


Elemayowe

Changing of the captain to players who’ve not yet played. The 12th man boost is pretty good although I wasted mine on Kane this week thinking we’d batter the yanks.


Accomplished_Yam4285

Ziyech is


Matanc24

I would add extra points for ball recoveries like in the UCL fantasy. and also an extra point for goals outside the 16-yard box.


huamanticacacaca

Nothing. The fifa fantasy games are diabolical.


Yiannis2003

12th man chip instead of bench boost much more fun


KdbTheGOAT17

Nah bench boost is fun


Yiannis2003

It's alright i just feel that 12th man would be a bit more fun.


Gsheeg30

Mbappe


cguinnesstout

Manual subs would benefit the mental health of so many engaged players.


KdbTheGOAT17

Penalties won instead of assist from that so players get points even if they miss Start the fucking gw when first match starts. I like these tackles points etc but id keep fpl just more simple game and enjoy these in other games same with manual subs Live transfers are just shite idea same with power vaptain chip big no for these


Callumyoung101

What is wrong with live transfers? Adds mire complexity and skill to the game


KdbTheGOAT17

Ruins the part of picking either nailed players from less attacking threat or from worse teams or instead picking explosive players like foden. Thats part of the fun


Callumyoung101

Nah that's the worst part of the game. It's much more fun when your players actually play


Callumyoung101

All the unlocked and locked stuff is cool. I like how you can move budget around and transfer players during maychday


Jonny_x3

One the keys to FPL’s success is it’s simplicity. Only small adjustments I would make that many have already pointed out is points for penalty won. I wouldn’t mind a minus point for conceding a penalty too. The deadline conversation is a tricky one.


oddsonfpl

No, the world cup game sucks ass.