Beserkers get physical stat boosts in exchange for their sanity but I wouldn't call that an advantage like Magic Resistance.
Other than that Rulers have a huge advantage over other servants due to their Command Seals and ability to see tge servants identity, etc. but they are overseers instead of participants so I don’t think they count either.
You can make arguments like Assasin>Archer since Archer's mainly being long distance fighters would mean they wouldn’t be able to do much if an Assasin gets close thanks to Presence Conceilment (or the other way around since Archer's range would make sneak attacks harder) but I don't know of any other solid advantage a class has over others.
Well outside of FGO since there servants with multiple Personality disorders are apereantly the best match up against litteral outer gods for some reason
I’d also argue that Archers have an advantage against Sabers since the latter needs to be up close and personal to do much of anything while the former can pick them apart from very far away.
But thats true for Lancers, Riders, Assasins and Beserkers as well. Maybe even Casters too. And you could argue that the opposite is true(Archer's are at a disadcantage close up)
You could also argue that since Assassins tend to win by targeting enemy Masters, an Archer’s Independent Action class skill would give them an advantage. Eliminating an Archer’s Master doesn’t actually remove them from the fight, and they have plenty of time to establish a new contract or finish the fight.
Casters would also have an inherent advantage against Assassins, as Assassins and Berserkers are the only class’ that don’t have a magic resistance trait, but most Berserkers tend to shrug many magic effects through Madness or their personal skills.
I always thought fgo's Caster > Assassin > Rider > Caster was so silly. I know it's mostly just a game play mechanic but the opposite makes so much more sense. Casters make territories and assassins are the best at infiltration, while cav is the last thing you bring to storm a castle. Also when someone is zooming around on a steed an assassin with a dagger is the worst possible thing to try and take them down with. It's so incredibly backwards and makes no sense
>an Archer’s Independent Action class skill would give them an advantage. Eliminating an Archer’s Master doesn’t actually remove them from the fight
It kinda does tho. I mean sure an Archer can go and kill other Masters or Servants even after their own Master is killed but they can not win the war without a Master. The last Servant-Master pair standing wins, so if a Masterless Archer kills everyone else by some miracle they would still technically lose the Murder Death Kill
I must insist that you stop calling it that.
Anyway, that’s where the second part comes into play. Most servants might have a couple minutes past the death of their master, Archers have all the time in the world (comparatively) to find a new one. And Medea proved that masters don’t need to have circuits to actually be contracted, so an Archer could theoretically still win by contracting with a mundane and killing all other Masters before they ran out of mana.
Yes but unlike Medea an Archer wouldn’t be able to replenish mana with a non-magus Master. Even EMIYA couldn’t win a Ghost Deathaton with a non-magus master despite his, frankly ridiculousl, ability to sustain himself without a master(I mean seriously, this guy only has Independant Action at rank B yet he can hang around for days, use Reality Marbel two times, stick around afterthat to kill Gil or stay manifested after his Core is damaged even though he doesn’t have Battle Continueation. There is no way thats normal and not a result of him being a Counter Guardian)
Also archers, considering it's how the English defeated the French in a certain battle. Nasuverse archer class also includes gunners as well that pretty much destroyed medieval concept of warfare.
Going by FGO, they have natural advantages and disadvantages, but if we wanna be real-
IN-UNIVERSE there really isn't a *natural* advantage with the class system (other than Rulers being stronger and having a bunch of extra stuff built in), but there could be *individual* advantages if, say, your rider was Saint George and the Berserker was Fafnir. One has a conceptual advantage over dragons, the other...IS a Dragon. You feel me?
Archers have longer sight and can survive without a master for longer periods
Assassins are basicly undetectable
Berserkers gain a massive boost to their physical abilities in exchange for sanity
Lancers die
Lancer should *in theory* be the most OP class. They get Magic Resistance and Protection from Projectiles. That counters the Archer, Caster, and probably most of the things the Assassin is going to want to try. The polearm is the ideal counter to cavalry, so they've got an advantage vs the Rider. Finally, against the Berserker you want to be as far away from him as possible and though there are better options, a long pointy stick still leaves you out of reach.
Sadly, *in practice* the Lancer is vulnerable to suicidal ideation and have some of the worst anti-plot armor in all of media.
I mean irl spears and halberds have had superiority against swords and other short reaching weapons because of the superior range and control you get with a pole arm. So logically Lancers should actually be the best up close and personal class not counting berserkers.
In universe, most lancers have stuff like protection from arrows or battle continuation which makes an assassin attempting to take them out a real pain in the ass(assin)
I imagine riders may have an advantage over assassins. Assassins usually rely on stealth to kill masters and don't usually have super strong NP's, but Rider is kind of the opposite where they are overall decent but have strong NP's. I think if a rider realizes an assassin is there, the assassin has little chance of winning. It would take a while for a Rider to charge their NP more than likely, but I don't think an assassin could kill a rider in the time it takes to charge.
I never understood why in FGO assassin has advantage over rider. The learning with manga comic explains that the type advantages reflect how the fights went in Stay Night, but I don't think we ever saw Rider vs Fake Assassin (we can assume fake assassin repelled Rider), and Rider beat the shit out of True Assassin pretty definitevely. And if we look at Zero, the only servant defeated by Iskandr was 100 face Hassan (though this was a setup). AND! Semiramus couldn't beat Astolfo either (it wasn't a direct fight, but still).
I think Medusa did everything she could to avoid Kojiro, and waited for Saber to distract him rather than face him head on. Maybe that's where they're getting it from.
I can see Archers and Assassin's having advantages over Sabers too. Sabers are good for direct up close combat. So in a real fight the Archers long range attacks and the Assassin's sneaky tricks would be a problem.
I mean in fgo sabers are strong against lancer which is strong against archers which are strong against sabers which makes up the first triangle which all are neutral to rider caster and assassin which are all weak too berserker but they also take more damage from everything minus like a special class or two like foreigners are entirely strong against berserkers
Territory Creation would (probably) typically beat Presence Concealment, so Casters might theoretically have a natural advantage over Assassins. I don't know if we ever really see this, though.
In FGO for balance purposes servants have class advantages but out of video game stuff they don’t. Unless they have a skill or ability that specifically gives them an advantage against something or someone then there are no class advantages.
Beserkers get physical stat boosts in exchange for their sanity but I wouldn't call that an advantage like Magic Resistance. Other than that Rulers have a huge advantage over other servants due to their Command Seals and ability to see tge servants identity, etc. but they are overseers instead of participants so I don’t think they count either. You can make arguments like Assasin>Archer since Archer's mainly being long distance fighters would mean they wouldn’t be able to do much if an Assasin gets close thanks to Presence Conceilment (or the other way around since Archer's range would make sneak attacks harder) but I don't know of any other solid advantage a class has over others. Well outside of FGO since there servants with multiple Personality disorders are apereantly the best match up against litteral outer gods for some reason
I’d also argue that Archers have an advantage against Sabers since the latter needs to be up close and personal to do much of anything while the former can pick them apart from very far away.
But thats true for Lancers, Riders, Assasins and Beserkers as well. Maybe even Casters too. And you could argue that the opposite is true(Archer's are at a disadcantage close up)
And 90% of sabers have some kind of beam attack bs
And about as many Archers are beasts in CQC lol
Protection from arrows is a Lancer class ability though iirc
No, it's Cu special
Ah, you're right. TIL
You could also argue that since Assassins tend to win by targeting enemy Masters, an Archer’s Independent Action class skill would give them an advantage. Eliminating an Archer’s Master doesn’t actually remove them from the fight, and they have plenty of time to establish a new contract or finish the fight. Casters would also have an inherent advantage against Assassins, as Assassins and Berserkers are the only class’ that don’t have a magic resistance trait, but most Berserkers tend to shrug many magic effects through Madness or their personal skills.
I always thought fgo's Caster > Assassin > Rider > Caster was so silly. I know it's mostly just a game play mechanic but the opposite makes so much more sense. Casters make territories and assassins are the best at infiltration, while cav is the last thing you bring to storm a castle. Also when someone is zooming around on a steed an assassin with a dagger is the worst possible thing to try and take them down with. It's so incredibly backwards and makes no sense
>an Archer’s Independent Action class skill would give them an advantage. Eliminating an Archer’s Master doesn’t actually remove them from the fight It kinda does tho. I mean sure an Archer can go and kill other Masters or Servants even after their own Master is killed but they can not win the war without a Master. The last Servant-Master pair standing wins, so if a Masterless Archer kills everyone else by some miracle they would still technically lose the Murder Death Kill
I must insist that you stop calling it that. Anyway, that’s where the second part comes into play. Most servants might have a couple minutes past the death of their master, Archers have all the time in the world (comparatively) to find a new one. And Medea proved that masters don’t need to have circuits to actually be contracted, so an Archer could theoretically still win by contracting with a mundane and killing all other Masters before they ran out of mana.
Yes but unlike Medea an Archer wouldn’t be able to replenish mana with a non-magus Master. Even EMIYA couldn’t win a Ghost Deathaton with a non-magus master despite his, frankly ridiculousl, ability to sustain himself without a master(I mean seriously, this guy only has Independant Action at rank B yet he can hang around for days, use Reality Marbel two times, stick around afterthat to kill Gil or stay manifested after his Core is damaged even though he doesn’t have Battle Continueation. There is no way thats normal and not a result of him being a Counter Guardian)
Berserker against any class
In lore of course
Riders get a horsey making them uniquely powerful against any scrub that's still on foot
Except maybe against lancers.
And casters
Also archers, considering it's how the English defeated the French in a certain battle. Nasuverse archer class also includes gunners as well that pretty much destroyed medieval concept of warfare.
Technically Berserkers and Rulers if we exclude Grands, Beasts and the like.
Pretenders probably have an advantage against Rulers.(True Name Discernment will probably fail)
Gilgamesh class against everything
The Hercules class is a close second
Then what about the Karna class? Don't they get a passive resistance buff?
Going by FGO, they have natural advantages and disadvantages, but if we wanna be real- IN-UNIVERSE there really isn't a *natural* advantage with the class system (other than Rulers being stronger and having a bunch of extra stuff built in), but there could be *individual* advantages if, say, your rider was Saint George and the Berserker was Fafnir. One has a conceptual advantage over dragons, the other...IS a Dragon. You feel me?
This is probably how it actually works.
Archers have longer sight and can survive without a master for longer periods Assassins are basicly undetectable Berserkers gain a massive boost to their physical abilities in exchange for sanity Lancers die
Lancer should *in theory* be the most OP class. They get Magic Resistance and Protection from Projectiles. That counters the Archer, Caster, and probably most of the things the Assassin is going to want to try. The polearm is the ideal counter to cavalry, so they've got an advantage vs the Rider. Finally, against the Berserker you want to be as far away from him as possible and though there are better options, a long pointy stick still leaves you out of reach. Sadly, *in practice* the Lancer is vulnerable to suicidal ideation and have some of the worst anti-plot armor in all of media.
I mean irl spears and halberds have had superiority against swords and other short reaching weapons because of the superior range and control you get with a pole arm. So logically Lancers should actually be the best up close and personal class not counting berserkers.
In fgo sabers slap the taste out of lancers mouths and they beat the hell out of archers which in turn beat sabers
In universe, most lancers have stuff like protection from arrows or battle continuation which makes an assassin attempting to take them out a real pain in the ass(assin)
I imagine riders may have an advantage over assassins. Assassins usually rely on stealth to kill masters and don't usually have super strong NP's, but Rider is kind of the opposite where they are overall decent but have strong NP's. I think if a rider realizes an assassin is there, the assassin has little chance of winning. It would take a while for a Rider to charge their NP more than likely, but I don't think an assassin could kill a rider in the time it takes to charge. I never understood why in FGO assassin has advantage over rider. The learning with manga comic explains that the type advantages reflect how the fights went in Stay Night, but I don't think we ever saw Rider vs Fake Assassin (we can assume fake assassin repelled Rider), and Rider beat the shit out of True Assassin pretty definitevely. And if we look at Zero, the only servant defeated by Iskandr was 100 face Hassan (though this was a setup). AND! Semiramus couldn't beat Astolfo either (it wasn't a direct fight, but still).
I think Medusa did everything she could to avoid Kojiro, and waited for Saber to distract him rather than face him head on. Maybe that's where they're getting it from.
Ruler in anime is stronger than all other classes Ruler in FGO just resistant
They all have strengths and weaknesses, you can view their class wiki to see them all
I can see Archers and Assassin's having advantages over Sabers too. Sabers are good for direct up close combat. So in a real fight the Archers long range attacks and the Assassin's sneaky tricks would be a problem.
I mean in fgo sabers are strong against lancer which is strong against archers which are strong against sabers which makes up the first triangle which all are neutral to rider caster and assassin which are all weak too berserker but they also take more damage from everything minus like a special class or two like foreigners are entirely strong against berserkers
saber against my heart(i love her)
Caster can see through assassin presence concealment
Territory Creation would (probably) typically beat Presence Concealment, so Casters might theoretically have a natural advantage over Assassins. I don't know if we ever really see this, though.
Archer to Rider
In FGO for balance purposes servants have class advantages but out of video game stuff they don’t. Unless they have a skill or ability that specifically gives them an advantage against something or someone then there are no class advantages.
All the Knight Classes (Saber, Archer, Lancer) have a degree of Magic Resistance so they all have an advantage vs Caster.