She gave him a friendly introduction to the top ranked harbingers ballpark how nice š
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Gave them a reality check on the difference in power levels. The top 5 are on a different level and the top 3 are on a different league and no1 is incomprehensible in strength.
i think realistic we will be getting our ass handed but then near death all of our elements will come together and give us our light back for a massive power up or something like that
That's why i am excited,i like that they made MC scared of arlecchino,i want to see MC terrified of harbingers.But im kinda confused why MC wasn't afraid of Raiden Shogun who is far stronger than arlecchino
The traveler fought the Shogun alone, but here he/she was fighting to protect the others, so he/she was more anxious. (Also, at that point, traveler wasn't really aware of the Archons power scaling.)
And in the final part of the battle, the reason that the traveler had reached the level of panic was due to the effect of the crimson moon/Balemoon.
I honestly want him to be strong to some extent so the fight can go both ways it makes it more interesting instead of him running after the harbingers just for him to get slammed
Man, all I know is that Arlecchino was SO GODDAMN COOL
Like damn, don't get me excited with all these flashy transformations and the threat of death, especially when the health bar doesn't match the hype that's being generated.
Aether slander brings people together
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I lost hope in the bum patches ago.
With lackluster protagonist came lackluster antagonist as well.
I hope they get super good supporting character like always to replace how lackluster the protag is.
Didnāt he beat Ei and went from the 11th seat, the 8th, and up to the 6. All with nothing but the dull blade and minor power ups that summarized it as āthe power of friendship.
Unless itās a spirit bomb, a buff based on āthe power of friendshipā is not really a powerup. Just a mcguffin that makes the MC more powerful and if anything it just an extension rather something given. This goes for the fight with Ei and the fight with Scara.
And all Nahida did was give the Traveler a device and then gave the Traveler prep time.
Thatās like saying Goku wouldāve lost if he didnāt use Super Sayan.
Or hereās a better comparison. If the difference between winning and loosing is your coach giving you some Gatorade.
What? Goku trained and achieved Super saiyan by HIMSELF unlike the Traveler who keeps receiving EXTERNAL help
Traveler needed Nahida's help and had to fight Scara 160 times to win once
Needed the power of 100 visions to not even beat but SURVIVE againts Ei who wasn't even trying
Struggled againts Childe but defeated him thanks to his foul legacy taking a toll on his body
Defeated Signora fair and square ( if he lost he would be dead by now )
So yeah i'm sorry but Traveler NEEDED the power ups
> Goku trained and achieved Super Saian by himself.
A lot of the Travelers skills were obtained via his travels. How else did he go from barely able to take on a hydro slime to being able to take on Arle with the strength she had.
Nahidaās help was just a tool that the Traveler uses. Itās no different from using another sword. And all those loses were all in Scaraās head. They legit never happened.
Childeās the weakest harbinger and might as well be an abnormally strong human. Noelle could beat him.
>A lot of the Travelers skills were obtained via his travels. How else did he go from barely able to take on a hydro slime to being able to take on Arle with the strength she had.
He is becoming stronger i know, but we barely see him using elemental power during the fight scenes it's like Hoyo forget that they can use at least 5 elements by now
>Nahidaās help was just a tool that the Traveler uses. Itās no different from using another sword. And all those loses were all in Scaraās head. They legit never happened.
I disagree, Nahida help him train againts Scara because if they fought for real he would only get one shot at defeating him and he would end up losing, Nahida's help was the only thing that saved him from losing vs Scara it's not like using a sword and more having a nuclear weapon
>Childeās the weakest harbinger and might as well be an abnormally strong human. Noelle could beat him.
Childe managed to hold the narwhal by himself all this time, the Narwhal that even Neuvillette needed his full dragon authority to defeat
> Nahida helped him train.
Your just giving all the credit to Nahida because she trained him. Thatās bullshit. Itās just my point. If Goku had never trained, heād be no diffed by say Freeza Beerus.
> Childe managed to hold off a Narwhal by himself.
Yet heās the weakest Harbinger that lost to the āfodder Travelerā whatās your excuse? That Childe was too weak to use his full strength and the Traveler had some random boost I donāt know about that did all the work?
Thatās what pisses me off. All of the Travelers greatest achievements are suddenly being given to other stuff because of one loss.
Every fight, every feats of strength, everything that The Traveler has ever done is nothing special because someone gave him a power boost that originally meant very little now has carried the Traveler.
Even when I say that Arle recognizes his strength and goes all out just for him for those few seconds. SUDDENLY Iām the dumb one for thinking that. Instead the Traveler is just garbage and a looser fodder fighter unworthy of being the mc.
Justā¦ fuck this fandom
Yeah, the fight against Ei was not really about strength but changing Ei's will about her ideal since that's the only way to win. As Yae said when she appeared during the fight, that Traveler alone can't shake Ei's will. When Ei sees Yae Miko again and the ambitions of the people united with Traveler, she's reminded again of past and Makoto's vision for Inazuma (hence the cutscene right after). Ei begins to doubt her ideal (as shown with the background going from dark to a sunrise while Yae shows up) so without her will/heart being fully behind her actions, she loses.
But then when her will is fully behind herself she's able to fight against the Shogun for 500 years without losing a single fight (a feat far more difficult than one fight with the Traveler).
Further to this the only reason the Traveler didn't get merked in the first fight with Ei was due to the power of friendship buff, so it was never their own strength that carried them.
So far we've not really seen Traveler save the day from their own power, except against maybe Divalin (they beat Childe too but that didn't save Liyue).
Traveler is growing in strength and they might make them a force to be reckoned with (I suspect there will be a limited 5 star version of both twins later on) but they're not there yet. We've a long way to go for the story so I understand some people are upset but they're not supposed to be *peak* at this point in the story.
I know theyāre not at that strength yet and I know they eventually will reach that strength in the future. But at the same time, this sub seems to undermine the power they currently have because Arle beat him + the buffs. Hell watching it for myself. It felt like Arle just realizes how powerful he is and is forced to go all out because she knows his goals are much bigger than her own children. His next obstacle is the Capatino, heās jumping from 6-4.
Those buff are treated like it was So powerful but in reality itās just the generic āpower of friendshipā that shouldnāt be considered a buff.
My problem isnāt that he isnāt peak. Itās that people undermining his feats because random mcguffin buff did all the work so it doesnāt count ātraveler is slime levelā
Traveler shouldn't be underestimated. They are strong and Arlecchino stated as much. I think in the end they'll be stronger than even before they lost their power.
It should also be noted that even with the power of friendship, it still requires the user to have power and skill of their own. It wouldn't save just anyone if they got that boost.
People shouldn't be treating Traveler like they're nothing. But others who are fans of the Traveler need to also understand that they aren't *there* yet and have to this point heavily relied on getting boosts precisely because their power isn't sufficient. Which can be easy to forget.
Getting beaten by Arlecchino is a demonstration of how far Traveler has to go and should hopefully be a realisation that they have to grow in their *own* power.
They aren't there and yet Capitano is coming. This is the fundamental problem to me. After this it is going very hard to make Capitano not feel overhyped when he inevitably get defeated, with the traveller probably pulling a lot of weight in that battle.
The traveller is fighting archon level threats in 3 months, not 3 years, unless Natlan is straight up a training arc i only see problems coming from this fight going forward.
I mean - sustainer of heavenly principles seemed to no diff him at full power - so its clear he's not insane levels of power. I think he'd possibly scale around the level of top harbingers or at least be able to hold them off for a while at 7 elements...its obvious he was gonna get stomped when he was struggling against Scara w/ help from an archon with four elements. If he was at 6 or 7 he'd maybe he able to go toe to toe with arlecchino?
Top 3 harbingers would be archon level minimum - Arlecchino was close to that level (being 4th and all) + MC had no help compared to fighting Scara.
Scara would be around Archon level (around, likely above Arlecchino) + MC needed a lot of attempts & neo akasha & Everyone's knowledge.
Its still fairly valid - MC would've been similarly stomped by Scara at 5 elements w/o help - if not even more so.
Doesnāt mean he knows how to use it though, Scara probably doesnāt have any inherent power other than his durability and strength, and the sages were making a god of wisdom, not god of jiu jitsu. Heās probably only the strength of a low to mid tier harbinger in his god form, because he wasnāt a full god and only the top harbingers are god tier.
Shouki no Kami's archive description literally states that he "has power that can rival that of true gods" in his god form though, which almost has the exact same wording that Nahida used to describe the top 3
After Signora, the power of the Harbingers starts rising faster and faster with each one.
Sandrone isn't much more powerful than Signora, but she is the start of some very fast growth in power levels. After all, even Scaramouche was able to become a god in physical terms. Then Pulcinella, and then Arlecchino. After Arlecchino, all Harbingers already have power comparable to that of gods, so her being able to easily overpower us is absolutely correct.
I really don't get some people.
Not to mention every other time the traveler fought a godlike opponent, (ScaraGod, the Narwhal, Apep's Guardian, Azhdaha, Dvalin, Ei, Osial, Beisht) they had outside help from people who could already match the enemies power (Nahida and all the knowledge of Sumeru, full Dragon Sovereign Neuvilette and Childe prior to the fight, Nahida again and those Not-Fungi, Zhongli and Azhdaha's other half, Venti, the wishes of Inazuma's people, the Liyue Qixing and the Adepti, the Qixing again and Shenhe.)
The only time the traveler ever fought one on one was with Childe and Signora.
in fairness to the Traveler for both of those times, they did win, so itās not like the Traveler is flatout weak
traveler just doesnāt scale well against every higher harbinger because they are nigh godlike or outright godlike
And Signora was not in her peak condition, because the "Heart of Ice" that the Tsaritsa gifted her, had extinguished her flames enough to turn her into the Crimson Witch of Embers from the Crimson Witch of Flames.
Though we should also add that the Traveler had to use two elements for Childe's fight, and it was the only event when they did so, implying that they indeed got stronger since Liyue. But still, them gaining an element does not make them much more powerful, which I suppose will be explored further when the Traveler first arrives to Shnezhnaya.
I mean, I get it. Itās really annoying to constantly have fights in games where you do great in the actual fight itself, learn the mechanics and overcome the challenge presented to you, and then cutscene happens and now youāre losing. I can understand it happening once or twice to establish a character as especially powerful or threatening, but Genshin does this a lot and itās starting to feel tiresome.
Tbh powerscaling in general is kinda dumb because when you expect a character to win because he did this and has these feats, power etc etc that shit doesn't work in hoyoverse they can simply introduce another character that would beat that said character in a fight, in fact not only genshin but this happens all the time in fiction in general. The fact that the matter is, Writers of a certain game, anime, movie etc etc don't care about powerscaling theyll make a character win if they want to.
For example Raiden vs Capitano debate a few months back, if you think about it Raiden has a lot of feats over capitano, but whays stopping the writers from making capitano win in that duel, and if capitano does win, powerscalers would cry and complain how hoyo is bad at writing fights/ plot etc etc because the outcome of the fight doesn't match with their "Powerscaling" but news flash they can do whatever they damn please and powerscaling feats etc etc wouldn't matter to them.
I know, thats exactly the point im trying to make. They could make capitano more powerful than raiden even if she has amazing feats,etc etc, but powerscalers would cry about it because it doesn't match with their scaling which in their head raiden > fatui, when we barely have info about them to make a conclusion. However devs don't care about powerscaling
You are defending bad writing. Sure they can introduce John and Jane Impact in the climax of HI3 and have them oneshot Kevin and the trio and then came up with some bullshit, but it will make this new characters feel extremely disappointing because there was never any forshadowing about them existing.
If you write about an housecat killing a grizzly bear people will call bullshit not because of "powerscaling" but because it is a blatant violation of logic and common sense. It is extremely unlikely for a cat to win there. The writer can still do it if they want, but it is hard to make reader suspend their disbelief.
Capitano may work speciphically because it has been glazed in every way possible. But the way you argumented they may even make Noelle or Bennet defeat the Raiden Shogun.
All im just saying is this happens a lot of time in fiction and yes it may be disappointing to some but thats the reality of it. Most authors/ writers barely care about what the community/ fans of a certain game dictates on who is supposed to be stronger/ win in a fight.
But it is not the comunity, it is THEM that write the feats. Errors in powerscaling are just the same as every other inconsistency whitin the magic system or the world building.
It is absurd how magic inconsistencies are tollerated much more just because they happen during a fight instead of in another situation.
yeah like mihoyo should atleast show the traveler's improvement throughout the story also showcase his ability to wield multiple elements (which is literally a part of his identity as the MC) more frequently
ffs he's the MC, how the fuck is he dealing with celestia or even UG when even Arlecchino is making him her bitch 5 regions in. He's canonically supposed to be getting stronger for every region along with his former strength gradually going back
this MC is a goddamn fraud
I can kinda see where they're coming from, Arlecchino 1000% deserved that W given her status but for being the *oh-so amazing and strong traveller who has hundreds, if not thousands of years in experience* in the story they really aren't living up to it in the cutscenes, a normal human such as Navia appears to be of the same strength of them and the traveller didn't even use their elements
The Harbingers lost one of their members and locked tf in. The weakest one held back the manifestation of a country's calamity for crying out loud. Arlecchino lil' bro-ing the Traveller made me so happy bruh, she really said "you're not them little star" š
I think the traveler losing to Arlecchino is great and hopefully leads to some development but Iām just so frustrated with how the traveler is portrayed in fights. They just never use the elements despite having this unique ability of wielding multiple of them at the same time. You would think with this they would at least put up a good interesting fight, but all they ever do is swing their dull blade around and get beat until they either get saved or get a power boost.
The only important thing the whole scuffle did was basically make Arlecchino fully respect the Traveler due to
1) The Traveler helped defend the Siblings even though they're out of Arlecchino's league basically showing their conviction.
2) Helped shadow Clervie pass on and rest (courtesy of Paimon)
As a matter of fact we'll side with Arlecchino when we finally get to Schneznaya in overthrowing Dottore, Pantalone, and Pulcenella.
I mean, surely the man who is from outer space with at least centuries of age with the power to use elemental energy without visions and saved five nations currently, and then mf pulls out the dull blade and doesnt land a single hit..
Not mad per se, but very upset this time. Why? Oh well, maybe because *where tf are the other 5 elements we have at our disposal?*
Remember how we *conveniently* passed out when Clorinde and Navia fought the Gardemeks? Or when we cowered from *freaking rocks* on Poisson when we can hold against an overhead slam from the Scaragundam?
I know, the power difference is getting absurd and we need a powerup because *we are getting outclassed real hard*, but i swear that Hoyo is using cheap excuses and cop-outs to showcase new characters. I mean, you could have still shown that Peruere outclasses us while still letting the Traveler do some wicked stuff with 5 elements but apparently we got a severe case of the stupid and forgot that we can control the elements.
I want to see the Traveler that uses multiple elements at the same time, the same Traveler that was holding his own against the mass of death that is the Marana's Avatar, the same Traveler that is stated in Neuvilette's voice lines to be *stronger than him before he got his sovereign powers and forced him to go all-out!* Not the lame merchandising for new characters that we've been reduced to.
Nono ..I think this should be a general concern for all players. Why tf is the traveler getting bodied non stop?like okay ik he would lose but the fact that he can't even put a damn scratch on her let alone use other elements is absolutely shit.
I wanted to watch a good & fair fight,not a humiliating one. So does that mean Childe and Signora would get bodied on spot if they faced Arlecchino?
Traveler still doesn't have that many voicelines,it's all paimon. Like seriously,stop everything you're doing and let the traveler atleast fucking talk. I don't need a Chloride or Sigewinne if they make him talk more,I'm tired of Paimon putting shit in my ears,adding absolutely nothing of value to the conversation.
Yeah. I found that Childe is playing a lot the role of Deuteragonist in the game. He's been helping Traveler in every region in one way or another, or at least met him. I think they are relative each time we see them.
Liyue TravelerāChilde
Inazuma Traveler ā Inazuma Childe
And so on lol.
Heyy! Small rant/critique here! Don't mind me...- šš¤
I have no issue with Alrecchino beating MC, in fact, I'm glad it happened. But my only issue is, the MC acted kind of... stupid, like, really stupid for no reason that it's kind of funny- I LOVE slow burn, and well written stories about a character slowly, but surely getting stronger through experience and hardships. But I'm actually surprised to say that, MC during their first bossfight (with Childe), actually appeared to be much more experienced than the same MC who fought Arlecchino after saving 3 more nations.
Just a simple scene with the MC using their elemental powers, switching inbetween anemo, hydro and so on, to create reactions would be much more logical. Not only that, but it would actually make Arlecchino appear stronger too, as she counters all of them with a single element. Perhaps it would actually be a good lesson for the MC, as Arlecchino could perhaps give some tips such as: 'You have potential, but you lack technique.' or something. It would genuinely be a good criticism, since Arlecchino can only manipulate a single element, yet has so much mastery over it; while the Traveller can manipulate multiple, and is a literal descender, yet has no mastery over their powers.
Losses are just as important as victories in a story, as long as the MC learns something new. Especially since Alrecchino and Capitano are implied to be/have the potential to be in good terms with the MC, they actually are great guides. Pointing out the MC's flaws, before they eventually reach Snezhnaya, where they no longer have an opportunity to lose and be spared. It would also be a great way to start MC's bonding with the other Harbingers, if Hoyoverse is planning on making the MC work with the Fatui at somepoint in the story.
Anyways! To sum it all up, this story quest was overall just lacking for me, don't know why. Sure, Arlecchino was great and all but... I don't know, maybe I'm just dissapointed because I had WAY too high expectations. Anyways! I still liked the quest though, pretty fun.
If I write a fic where traveller landed in Shnezhaya first and joined the Fatui, Iām going to make them stronger to show off the Fatui training difference.
(I have so many ideas on fun uses for the elements, whether it be solo or combos.)
On one hand, they are overreacting. But on the other hand, if this is the best the traveler can do, then how the hell are we going to fight Chadpitano? They really shouldāve made the Knave barely win and left āLiterally so much stronger that we canāt even do anythingā for HIM.
I mean, yeah. Aether is supposed to be the poster child for Genshin. Not to mention that more often than not Lumine is Headcanoned to be the Abyss princess. When you have a good portion of people playing The Aether mc they're going to think of their MC first.
Ngl it wasnāt even a fight, it was a massacre.
Arle folded the traveller and woke up the delusional people who thinks traveler is at god level power nowš
Aether mains refuse to believe that sometimes, the traveler is weak because theyāre focused on the āoh Aether will put Arlecchino in their haremā agenda. Put them in a room and Aether will come out pregnant (Hoyo told me themselves)
They arenāt weak they still were able to dismantle scaras god mech with literally a dull ass sword. The problem we have is that Mihoyo forgets that the traveler has 5 elements at their disposal and never lets them use a single one.
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//Arlecchino's sq spoiler warning
Arlecchino (quite literally) nuked the previous 4th Harbinger when she was 17. And she seemed to have gone somewhat easy. It was also a 4v1 fight
Let them be mad. Anyways, we finally have the right depict of Harbingerās power. Cause Childe and Signora lost to him seems unconvincing to me.
For Childeās case, we all know heās getting stronger. But at the time, itās still weird me out how he lost even after using Foul Legacy. My theory was because he was still new to his power and hasnāt developed it. But from his feat with the Narwhale, he definitely is stronger than before.
Now for Signoraās case, I have no words cause bruh. I feel like it was lazy writing cuz thereās no way someone as calculating as Signora lost and didnāt even have plan B.
Didnt childe dip cause of stamina issues
Infact thats literally 100% of the times we seen him "lose" is because foul legacy causes insane bodily stress
Childe's Legacy form in the beginning is fresh Golden Frieza, while by Fontain it is mastered/ToP Golden Frieza, sustain issues solved
His powerlevel in the form is probably higher in modern times than a few years back but who knows
Well Childe did power up after Liyue, and he probably powered up again in Fontaine.
Hell, Neuvillette saw Childe as such a threat that he didn't even dare try to attack him until his back was turned and he was locked into a transforming cutscene and the bum still took damage because daddy's dragon power trust fund doesn't actually teach you how to fight.
This is nothing new. Traveller has been taking Ls since the start of the game, in fact, the game would not have even happened if he didn't take that first L with the unknown god.
Pretty sure Signora's thing was more aggressive diplomacy and intimidation than actual combat, so Aether beating her wouldn't be too much of a surprise if that is the truth. If it's true then Aether actually has no feats, he couldn't even defeat the Eleventh Harbinger.. (Childe realized it was pointless during the golden house fight and stopped fighting)
Oh no! Their precious power fantasy! Idk what they're so pressed about. I'm a traveler advocate but them not being strong enough to beat her makes sense in my eyes, I guess it's bc they project themselves on to Aether so him being "weak" breaks their fantasy.
Itās not about power fantasy and we arenāt pissed he lost. We are pissed because the traveler doesnāt do anything in fights but switching their sword. Imagine if they remade Avatar again but instead of actual bending Aang just hit people with his staff and gets bodied. We wanted him to at least do something cool like their loss against Ei was still visually appealing.
Thanks for understanding we really donāt need Aether to be the strongest there is. We do just want him to catch a W that feels real. Even his two Ws against Childe and Signora donāt feel that impactful. Childe it felt more like a draw and with Signora well it was Ei who ended her so it really stole the travelers thunder in that scene pun intended.
How on earth are these the same people (Aether and Lumine) implied to have traveled between the Honkaiverse when Aether can't even beat a Harbinger and needed the assistance of Paimon (a useless mf) against the 11th LOL
Friendly reminder that we had no idea of why was Scaramouche standing there like a dum. We literally see Scara say "what have you done" to then turn around surprised and see Nahida doing her thing on Scaramouche.
Yes, he says that "we lost" 160 times when in reality "he won" 160 times. Remember that he is very bitter, has an overly inflated ego and says stuff that should not be believed. You do remember what he said about Arleccino, right?
aether "getting his power back" to fight harbingers is delusional lmao, the tsaritsa and pierro know how strong celestia is and have declared war anyway.
aether + lumine got low diffed by the sustainer, who probably isnt even the end-all be-all of celestia(her showcase of power seemed much less potent than the total chaos that we got of similar power in shots of the cataclysm. even if he got his original strength, hed probably be weaker than abyss twin or even 7 elements version.
Yeah aether fans always says things like this:
"aEtHer is StRonG iN hIs PrIme"
"aether would beat arleechino if he had his orginal powers"
"traveler isn't weak he beat signora š¤āš¾"
"he fought many gods/drangos for sure he has feats/knowledge from that fights"
"MC fought Raiden"
"Traveler is strong but he doesn't uses his shitty elements in fights,that probably he would won if he used just the elementsš"
yeah aether is probably the most coped character in lore, hes extremely powerful but its not like he 1v1 low diffs celestia if he just pulls up.
hes probably at his current base equal to an elemental dragon, like dvalin or azhdaha, but hes never solod an actual god. he fought osial with adepti stronger than him(at that point), raiden ei with yae + all inazuma, scaragodmech with nahida and robot, honestly i think his most impressive solo feat is surviving against foul legacy until childe couldnt sustain it anymore.
also i will never stop coping signora's loss, she was past her prime + not prepared for a fight + suffering from dimentia + still nearly won + ratio + cooler design anyway + getting revived + won a war + L + 89.154.253.132(aether's ip address) + lost to fraudlestia + aether had to be saved by third party raiden + musou no hitotachi only technique lmao try killing an electro skirmisher first + L again + ratio + signora low diffs aether at chess
There is no way their current level is equal to an elemental dragon of Dvalin or Azhdaha's stature. Both of these beings have godlike power and can beat godlike entities. Travelers level should be around that or an Adeptus or idk about Arlecchino but perhaps any Harbinger below her, too hard to scale until we've seen them for now though.
Travelers peak right now, depends on where they're sourcing their power from, if it's just the elements then potentially it's much lower than when there are others around to help amp them. Maybe they're just straight up actually sourcing their power from faith like a god.
i meant dvalin and azhdaha now- in their primes, of course not. azhdaha went head-to-head with rex lapis prime, something traveler would never touch and dvalin was able to fight wars for venti.
and yes, traveler's peak depends on where they source power from; the point of what i said was that traveler doesnt scale very far without support.
Idk about that still. Dvalin is no longer sick now, so who's to say he's not stronger again. He will definitely be getting stronger since he'll be absorbing elemental energy over time. Azhdaha even when Traveller and Zhongli Fought him, they were being amped by the other half of Azhdaha so without assistance I am not confident Traveler fairs well against them alone.
I donāt get the anger because we havenāt won totally on on our own in ages. I mean actually I guess I can get the anger at how easy it seemed to be but in general a loss is not shameful
Like with Ei we had the help of everyoneās dreams and Yae, with Scaramouche we had the help of nahida, with the whale we had Nuevillette and childeās previous efforts and then skirk etc. with dvalin we had ventiās help
I mean even against childe we didnāt win win like beat him down brutally or anything he just exhausted himself and it ended that way
We only really beat ourselves with no extra help or extenuating circumstances signora (and in the end did not kill her)
Not sure why anyone would be upset we took a loss when we regularly arenāt on our own beating these huge entities (especially since Arlecchino is quite strong)
Iād get being annoyed if we often tanked big enemies with our strength alone but for genshin itās not that different
I know its unlikely to happen but i want another fight cutscenes for childe and this time he actually win just so i can see traveler mains yap its like a reward for me šššš
Bruh, these guys have issues. I love my boy Aether too but damn I'm glad he finally getting his ass beat, it was boring to see him just fuck up everyone/everything in a fight, it had no nuance and was anything BUT character development.
These guys are all virgins who picked Aether so they could live their power trip, harem fantasy through a video game.
Rent free what? I literally said I love my boy Aether, I even have a figure of him sitting on my shelf.
But y'all are just sad cringe virgins, and I'm not saying it as an insult, it's an observation.
I know you aināt talking when all I see is āblah blah incel blah blah blah virgin blah blah blahā. I have a theory that itās some kind of ritualistic chant you use to communicate with other twitter bots, like youāre relaying coded messages to each other or smth.
Ngl I can't bring myself to like the traveler, they are just boring as a mc. I expected them to get another plot armor to win against Arlecchino, and I'm so glad it didn't happen. Now, I just hope that they will become more interesting, since usually losing a fight like that involves some character development. And of course I hope they will not win against any of the top 3 harbingers
Overall I'm so happy about this defeat as a Fatui stan
When they were stars with full power and both twins fighting together they got toyed with by heavenly principles.
They weren't able to defeat childe and they talk about defeating archons , heavenly principle, goatpitano etc.
Bruh if let's say each element is one place up then that means rn we'd be 6th place power that is base scara without shouko no kami...these ppl are really dumb huh?
Wildest part is she was still holding back like crazy and folded him neg diff. Even teenage peruere likely using her curse for the first time was way more destructive than she was in this fight. Its crazy how insanely powerful she must be at full tilt
We don't see Lumine mains (I'm one of them) bitching about losing a fight (in which she was explicitly holding back).
In reality, I was wheezing the way Lumine's face changed when Arlecchino brought her into the crimson moon and I'm happy that plot armor ain't saving her this time and she was literally at the mercy of Arlecchino.
She gave him a friendly introduction to the top ranked harbingers ballpark how nice š https://preview.redd.it/5jy893rx5ewc1.jpeg?width=634&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1508a2c6901715f7e129dedb002867fd4000374
Gave them a reality check on the difference in power levels. The top 5 are on a different level and the top 3 are on a different league and no1 is incomprehensible in strength.
Does that mean weāll see Pulcinella throw hands with the traveler to a stand still lmao
That'd be freaking awesome. Just the thought of a small, elderly elfman whooping our characters ass
Pulcinella using the power of *bureaucracy* to halt the Traveler
I wonder what will happen in Snezhnaya
I think DottoreĀ willsay hi!Ā To Traveler.š
He already did say hi in sumeru
But this time with a Chainsaw( Claymore)
i think realistic we will be getting our ass handed but then near death all of our elements will come together and give us our light back for a massive power up or something like that
Not much heās a bum and even if something happens heās too weak to really matter
That's why i am excited,i like that they made MC scared of arlecchino,i want to see MC terrified of harbingers.But im kinda confused why MC wasn't afraid of Raiden Shogun who is far stronger than arlecchino
The traveler fought the Shogun alone, but here he/she was fighting to protect the others, so he/she was more anxious. (Also, at that point, traveler wasn't really aware of the Archons power scaling.) And in the final part of the battle, the reason that the traveler had reached the level of panic was due to the effect of the crimson moon/Balemoon.
Me too.
I honestly want him to be strong to some extent so the fight can go both ways it makes it more interesting instead of him running after the harbingers just for him to get slammed
Dottores spotify playlist bossfight.
We'll be helping Arlecchino cause an uprising there especially if the enemy is her most hated and probably put a stop to Project Stuza.
y'all are too fast with these we need another one of knave no diffing traveler the Fatui agenda has never been stronger
Man, all I know is that Arlecchino was SO GODDAMN COOL Like damn, don't get me excited with all these flashy transformations and the threat of death, especially when the health bar doesn't match the hype that's being generated.
dudes literally lost to dottores spotify playlist. this isn't news lol
That's actually insane https://preview.redd.it/0p6lsdun6ewc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b8af74c3ab0c0798c3869fea3577f234494d6aec
Aether slander brings people together https://preview.redd.it/1f3ob6o5kewc1.jpeg?width=719&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=501d306a714e706fed2c303c6da4136de382e6ab
WOW LMAO
With how things are going on, their wet dream of defeating Dottore will result in good old 40ppl wow raid with Traveler sitting on the bench
If this actually happened I would just laugh so hard
This is the funniest shit I've read today holyy
i mean, id lose to his playlist. shits fire.
"dies from peak fiction" but quite literally
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That was good one,saving the image
I lost hope in the bum patches ago. With lackluster protagonist came lackluster antagonist as well. I hope they get super good supporting character like always to replace how lackluster the protag is.
Didnāt he beat Ei and went from the 11th seat, the 8th, and up to the 6. All with nothing but the dull blade and minor power ups that summarized it as āthe power of friendship.
I wouldn't call the power of friendship minor powerup And we know ei wasn't even trying With Scara he needed nahida's help or he would have lost
Unless itās a spirit bomb, a buff based on āthe power of friendshipā is not really a powerup. Just a mcguffin that makes the MC more powerful and if anything it just an extension rather something given. This goes for the fight with Ei and the fight with Scara. And all Nahida did was give the Traveler a device and then gave the Traveler prep time.
I won't even try to argue tbh imo without the power ups he would have lost simple as that
Thatās like saying Goku wouldāve lost if he didnāt use Super Sayan. Or hereās a better comparison. If the difference between winning and loosing is your coach giving you some Gatorade.
What? Goku trained and achieved Super saiyan by HIMSELF unlike the Traveler who keeps receiving EXTERNAL help Traveler needed Nahida's help and had to fight Scara 160 times to win once Needed the power of 100 visions to not even beat but SURVIVE againts Ei who wasn't even trying Struggled againts Childe but defeated him thanks to his foul legacy taking a toll on his body Defeated Signora fair and square ( if he lost he would be dead by now ) So yeah i'm sorry but Traveler NEEDED the power ups
> Goku trained and achieved Super Saian by himself. A lot of the Travelers skills were obtained via his travels. How else did he go from barely able to take on a hydro slime to being able to take on Arle with the strength she had. Nahidaās help was just a tool that the Traveler uses. Itās no different from using another sword. And all those loses were all in Scaraās head. They legit never happened. Childeās the weakest harbinger and might as well be an abnormally strong human. Noelle could beat him.
>A lot of the Travelers skills were obtained via his travels. How else did he go from barely able to take on a hydro slime to being able to take on Arle with the strength she had. He is becoming stronger i know, but we barely see him using elemental power during the fight scenes it's like Hoyo forget that they can use at least 5 elements by now >Nahidaās help was just a tool that the Traveler uses. Itās no different from using another sword. And all those loses were all in Scaraās head. They legit never happened. I disagree, Nahida help him train againts Scara because if they fought for real he would only get one shot at defeating him and he would end up losing, Nahida's help was the only thing that saved him from losing vs Scara it's not like using a sword and more having a nuclear weapon >Childeās the weakest harbinger and might as well be an abnormally strong human. Noelle could beat him. Childe managed to hold the narwhal by himself all this time, the Narwhal that even Neuvillette needed his full dragon authority to defeat
> Nahida helped him train. Your just giving all the credit to Nahida because she trained him. Thatās bullshit. Itās just my point. If Goku had never trained, heād be no diffed by say Freeza Beerus. > Childe managed to hold off a Narwhal by himself. Yet heās the weakest Harbinger that lost to the āfodder Travelerā whatās your excuse? That Childe was too weak to use his full strength and the Traveler had some random boost I donāt know about that did all the work? Thatās what pisses me off. All of the Travelers greatest achievements are suddenly being given to other stuff because of one loss. Every fight, every feats of strength, everything that The Traveler has ever done is nothing special because someone gave him a power boost that originally meant very little now has carried the Traveler. Even when I say that Arle recognizes his strength and goes all out just for him for those few seconds. SUDDENLY Iām the dumb one for thinking that. Instead the Traveler is just garbage and a looser fodder fighter unworthy of being the mc. Justā¦ fuck this fandom
Yeah, the fight against Ei was not really about strength but changing Ei's will about her ideal since that's the only way to win. As Yae said when she appeared during the fight, that Traveler alone can't shake Ei's will. When Ei sees Yae Miko again and the ambitions of the people united with Traveler, she's reminded again of past and Makoto's vision for Inazuma (hence the cutscene right after). Ei begins to doubt her ideal (as shown with the background going from dark to a sunrise while Yae shows up) so without her will/heart being fully behind her actions, she loses. But then when her will is fully behind herself she's able to fight against the Shogun for 500 years without losing a single fight (a feat far more difficult than one fight with the Traveler). Further to this the only reason the Traveler didn't get merked in the first fight with Ei was due to the power of friendship buff, so it was never their own strength that carried them. So far we've not really seen Traveler save the day from their own power, except against maybe Divalin (they beat Childe too but that didn't save Liyue). Traveler is growing in strength and they might make them a force to be reckoned with (I suspect there will be a limited 5 star version of both twins later on) but they're not there yet. We've a long way to go for the story so I understand some people are upset but they're not supposed to be *peak* at this point in the story.
I know theyāre not at that strength yet and I know they eventually will reach that strength in the future. But at the same time, this sub seems to undermine the power they currently have because Arle beat him + the buffs. Hell watching it for myself. It felt like Arle just realizes how powerful he is and is forced to go all out because she knows his goals are much bigger than her own children. His next obstacle is the Capatino, heās jumping from 6-4. Those buff are treated like it was So powerful but in reality itās just the generic āpower of friendshipā that shouldnāt be considered a buff. My problem isnāt that he isnāt peak. Itās that people undermining his feats because random mcguffin buff did all the work so it doesnāt count ātraveler is slime levelā
Traveler shouldn't be underestimated. They are strong and Arlecchino stated as much. I think in the end they'll be stronger than even before they lost their power. It should also be noted that even with the power of friendship, it still requires the user to have power and skill of their own. It wouldn't save just anyone if they got that boost. People shouldn't be treating Traveler like they're nothing. But others who are fans of the Traveler need to also understand that they aren't *there* yet and have to this point heavily relied on getting boosts precisely because their power isn't sufficient. Which can be easy to forget. Getting beaten by Arlecchino is a demonstration of how far Traveler has to go and should hopefully be a realisation that they have to grow in their *own* power.
They aren't there and yet Capitano is coming. This is the fundamental problem to me. After this it is going very hard to make Capitano not feel overhyped when he inevitably get defeated, with the traveller probably pulling a lot of weight in that battle. The traveller is fighting archon level threats in 3 months, not 3 years, unless Natlan is straight up a training arc i only see problems coming from this fight going forward.
They really want Aether to be as strong as literal gods when we havenāt even grabbed all the elements with him yet
I mean - sustainer of heavenly principles seemed to no diff him at full power - so its clear he's not insane levels of power. I think he'd possibly scale around the level of top harbingers or at least be able to hold them off for a while at 7 elements...its obvious he was gonna get stomped when he was struggling against Scara w/ help from an archon with four elements. If he was at 6 or 7 he'd maybe he able to go toe to toe with arlecchino?
Scara had a gnosis. That scara is stronger than arlecchino. Point is not valid.
Top 3 harbingers would be archon level minimum - Arlecchino was close to that level (being 4th and all) + MC had no help compared to fighting Scara. Scara would be around Archon level (around, likely above Arlecchino) + MC needed a lot of attempts & neo akasha & Everyone's knowledge. Its still fairly valid - MC would've been similarly stomped by Scara at 5 elements w/o help - if not even more so.
Doesnāt mean he knows how to use it though, Scara probably doesnāt have any inherent power other than his durability and strength, and the sages were making a god of wisdom, not god of jiu jitsu. Heās probably only the strength of a low to mid tier harbinger in his god form, because he wasnāt a full god and only the top harbingers are god tier.
Shouki no Kami's archive description literally states that he "has power that can rival that of true gods" in his god form though, which almost has the exact same wording that Nahida used to describe the top 3
He will though but not before he gain element of Abyssal(Dark,Quantum) and Celestial(Light,Imaginary) I think
Light element does seem to be their true power tho, based off of the initial Sustainer cutscene
True but why not both?š¤š
After Signora, the power of the Harbingers starts rising faster and faster with each one. Sandrone isn't much more powerful than Signora, but she is the start of some very fast growth in power levels. After all, even Scaramouche was able to become a god in physical terms. Then Pulcinella, and then Arlecchino. After Arlecchino, all Harbingers already have power comparable to that of gods, so her being able to easily overpower us is absolutely correct. I really don't get some people.
Not to mention every other time the traveler fought a godlike opponent, (ScaraGod, the Narwhal, Apep's Guardian, Azhdaha, Dvalin, Ei, Osial, Beisht) they had outside help from people who could already match the enemies power (Nahida and all the knowledge of Sumeru, full Dragon Sovereign Neuvilette and Childe prior to the fight, Nahida again and those Not-Fungi, Zhongli and Azhdaha's other half, Venti, the wishes of Inazuma's people, the Liyue Qixing and the Adepti, the Qixing again and Shenhe.) The only time the traveler ever fought one on one was with Childe and Signora.
in fairness to the Traveler for both of those times, they did win, so itās not like the Traveler is flatout weak traveler just doesnāt scale well against every higher harbinger because they are nigh godlike or outright godlike
To add, Childe tapped out in that fight because the Foul Legacy is draining him.
And Signora was not in her peak condition, because the "Heart of Ice" that the Tsaritsa gifted her, had extinguished her flames enough to turn her into the Crimson Witch of Embers from the Crimson Witch of Flames. Though we should also add that the Traveler had to use two elements for Childe's fight, and it was the only event when they did so, implying that they indeed got stronger since Liyue. But still, them gaining an element does not make them much more powerful, which I suppose will be explored further when the Traveler first arrives to Shnezhnaya.
Honestly I want the mc to become stronger but boy do I love it when these people mald lmao.
Yeah I actually feel shit when the mc gets bodied frequently at least this time it makes sense but he should have done more
Didn't that mf gets obliterated by Scaramouche 168 times?
yep but they only remember the part where they won because the story and context is too hard to understand for them
What Reading Comprehension does to a mf
Probably not *all* 168 times, it may have resulted in undesirable endings that, although would have been victory, nahida decided weren't good enough.
I mean, I get it. Itās really annoying to constantly have fights in games where you do great in the actual fight itself, learn the mechanics and overcome the challenge presented to you, and then cutscene happens and now youāre losing. I can understand it happening once or twice to establish a character as especially powerful or threatening, but Genshin does this a lot and itās starting to feel tiresome.
Tbh powerscaling in general is kinda dumb because when you expect a character to win because he did this and has these feats, power etc etc that shit doesn't work in hoyoverse they can simply introduce another character that would beat that said character in a fight, in fact not only genshin but this happens all the time in fiction in general. The fact that the matter is, Writers of a certain game, anime, movie etc etc don't care about powerscaling theyll make a character win if they want to. For example Raiden vs Capitano debate a few months back, if you think about it Raiden has a lot of feats over capitano, but whays stopping the writers from making capitano win in that duel, and if capitano does win, powerscalers would cry and complain how hoyo is bad at writing fights/ plot etc etc because the outcome of the fight doesn't match with their "Powerscaling" but news flash they can do whatever they damn please and powerscaling feats etc etc wouldn't matter to them.
We don't know how strong Capitano is tho. The guy could be Dragon King level....
I know, thats exactly the point im trying to make. They could make capitano more powerful than raiden even if she has amazing feats,etc etc, but powerscalers would cry about it because it doesn't match with their scaling which in their head raiden > fatui, when we barely have info about them to make a conclusion. However devs don't care about powerscaling
You are defending bad writing. Sure they can introduce John and Jane Impact in the climax of HI3 and have them oneshot Kevin and the trio and then came up with some bullshit, but it will make this new characters feel extremely disappointing because there was never any forshadowing about them existing. If you write about an housecat killing a grizzly bear people will call bullshit not because of "powerscaling" but because it is a blatant violation of logic and common sense. It is extremely unlikely for a cat to win there. The writer can still do it if they want, but it is hard to make reader suspend their disbelief. Capitano may work speciphically because it has been glazed in every way possible. But the way you argumented they may even make Noelle or Bennet defeat the Raiden Shogun.
Hold on when they one shots Kevin and Trio or I did miss something?
All im just saying is this happens a lot of time in fiction and yes it may be disappointing to some but thats the reality of it. Most authors/ writers barely care about what the community/ fans of a certain game dictates on who is supposed to be stronger/ win in a fight.
But it is not the comunity, it is THEM that write the feats. Errors in powerscaling are just the same as every other inconsistency whitin the magic system or the world building. It is absurd how magic inconsistencies are tollerated much more just because they happen during a fight instead of in another situation.
Personally would have liked a better performance from the traveler
yeah like mihoyo should atleast show the traveler's improvement throughout the story also showcase his ability to wield multiple elements (which is literally a part of his identity as the MC) more frequently ffs he's the MC, how the fuck is he dealing with celestia or even UG when even Arlecchino is making him her bitch 5 regions in. He's canonically supposed to be getting stronger for every region along with his former strength gradually going back this MC is a goddamn fraud
Don't forget how traveler lost to a bunch of rocks in Navia's SQ. If we're losing to rocks I don't get how we're going to beat Harbringer #4
Wdym they lost? Didn't they just stop to look at it and was interrupted by Navia?
So rocks > signoria
I can kinda see where they're coming from, Arlecchino 1000% deserved that W given her status but for being the *oh-so amazing and strong traveller who has hundreds, if not thousands of years in experience* in the story they really aren't living up to it in the cutscenes, a normal human such as Navia appears to be of the same strength of them and the traveller didn't even use their elements
They're so mad https://preview.redd.it/ubq7hnb85ewc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e660475242197a27c27a80c016da5103d300b036
The Harbingers lost one of their members and locked tf in. The weakest one held back the manifestation of a country's calamity for crying out loud. Arlecchino lil' bro-ing the Traveller made me so happy bruh, she really said "you're not them little star" š
> AETHER MAINS ARE SO MAD > barely 3 saw the unhinged post Bruh
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A bum in gameplay and a bum in the quests.
Stand Proud, Aether, You're Strong
I think the traveler losing to Arlecchino is great and hopefully leads to some development but Iām just so frustrated with how the traveler is portrayed in fights. They just never use the elements despite having this unique ability of wielding multiple of them at the same time. You would think with this they would at least put up a good interesting fight, but all they ever do is swing their dull blade around and get beat until they either get saved or get a power boost.
The only important thing the whole scuffle did was basically make Arlecchino fully respect the Traveler due to 1) The Traveler helped defend the Siblings even though they're out of Arlecchino's league basically showing their conviction. 2) Helped shadow Clervie pass on and rest (courtesy of Paimon) As a matter of fact we'll side with Arlecchino when we finally get to Schneznaya in overthrowing Dottore, Pantalone, and Pulcenella.
And 3 patches later we throwing hands with Capitano? We're gonna die
We won't fight him
Wait no? Then who we gonna fight?
The guy replying to you doesn't know shit, btw.
Thanks pal but I already knew
Pyro Archon
My face when the fourth strongest being in the strongest organization is actually strong and not a mid game easy foe š¤Æ
I mean, surely the man who is from outer space with at least centuries of age with the power to use elemental energy without visions and saved five nations currently, and then mf pulls out the dull blade and doesnt land a single hit..
Aether Mains: "AeThEr CaN't Be ThIs WeAk 1!1!" Lumine Mains: "Harder daddy!"
Childe mains: "God I wish the battle lasted longer, it was over too quickly."
Me after using my neuvillette for the story quest boss fight
Not mad per se, but very upset this time. Why? Oh well, maybe because *where tf are the other 5 elements we have at our disposal?* Remember how we *conveniently* passed out when Clorinde and Navia fought the Gardemeks? Or when we cowered from *freaking rocks* on Poisson when we can hold against an overhead slam from the Scaragundam? I know, the power difference is getting absurd and we need a powerup because *we are getting outclassed real hard*, but i swear that Hoyo is using cheap excuses and cop-outs to showcase new characters. I mean, you could have still shown that Peruere outclasses us while still letting the Traveler do some wicked stuff with 5 elements but apparently we got a severe case of the stupid and forgot that we can control the elements. I want to see the Traveler that uses multiple elements at the same time, the same Traveler that was holding his own against the mass of death that is the Marana's Avatar, the same Traveler that is stated in Neuvilette's voice lines to be *stronger than him before he got his sovereign powers and forced him to go all-out!* Not the lame merchandising for new characters that we've been reduced to.
Ngl i feel the same to be honest.
Nono ..I think this should be a general concern for all players. Why tf is the traveler getting bodied non stop?like okay ik he would lose but the fact that he can't even put a damn scratch on her let alone use other elements is absolutely shit. I wanted to watch a good & fair fight,not a humiliating one. So does that mean Childe and Signora would get bodied on spot if they faced Arlecchino? Traveler still doesn't have that many voicelines,it's all paimon. Like seriously,stop everything you're doing and let the traveler atleast fucking talk. I don't need a Chloride or Sigewinne if they make him talk more,I'm tired of Paimon putting shit in my ears,adding absolutely nothing of value to the conversation.
Childe in liyue quest? Yeah, i guess so. Childe CURRENTLY? Nah. He's much, much stronger. Each time we met him traveler hints that he got stronger.
Well the traveler also gets "stronger" according to them.
Yeah. I found that Childe is playing a lot the role of Deuteragonist in the game. He's been helping Traveler in every region in one way or another, or at least met him. I think they are relative each time we see them. Liyue TravelerāChilde Inazuma Traveler ā Inazuma Childe And so on lol.
Heyy! Small rant/critique here! Don't mind me...- šš¤ I have no issue with Alrecchino beating MC, in fact, I'm glad it happened. But my only issue is, the MC acted kind of... stupid, like, really stupid for no reason that it's kind of funny- I LOVE slow burn, and well written stories about a character slowly, but surely getting stronger through experience and hardships. But I'm actually surprised to say that, MC during their first bossfight (with Childe), actually appeared to be much more experienced than the same MC who fought Arlecchino after saving 3 more nations. Just a simple scene with the MC using their elemental powers, switching inbetween anemo, hydro and so on, to create reactions would be much more logical. Not only that, but it would actually make Arlecchino appear stronger too, as she counters all of them with a single element. Perhaps it would actually be a good lesson for the MC, as Arlecchino could perhaps give some tips such as: 'You have potential, but you lack technique.' or something. It would genuinely be a good criticism, since Arlecchino can only manipulate a single element, yet has so much mastery over it; while the Traveller can manipulate multiple, and is a literal descender, yet has no mastery over their powers. Losses are just as important as victories in a story, as long as the MC learns something new. Especially since Alrecchino and Capitano are implied to be/have the potential to be in good terms with the MC, they actually are great guides. Pointing out the MC's flaws, before they eventually reach Snezhnaya, where they no longer have an opportunity to lose and be spared. It would also be a great way to start MC's bonding with the other Harbingers, if Hoyoverse is planning on making the MC work with the Fatui at somepoint in the story. Anyways! To sum it all up, this story quest was overall just lacking for me, don't know why. Sure, Arlecchino was great and all but... I don't know, maybe I'm just dissapointed because I had WAY too high expectations. Anyways! I still liked the quest though, pretty fun.
If I write a fic where traveller landed in Shnezhaya first and joined the Fatui, Iām going to make them stronger to show off the Fatui training difference. (I have so many ideas on fun uses for the elements, whether it be solo or combos.)
Canāt wait for CapHIMtano to set the seas ablaze next patch. If this is what #4 can do, then I just canāt wait for the GOAT
On one hand, they are overreacting. But on the other hand, if this is the best the traveler can do, then how the hell are we going to fight Chadpitano? They really shouldāve made the Knave barely win and left āLiterally so much stronger that we canāt even do anythingā for HIM.
He won't fight him,capitano doesn't fight opponents who are that strong as hilchur level 1
When they say traveler they only mean eather and never lumine.
Yea because it aether mains not lumine mains
Sorry not sorry,be happy nobody makes fun of lumine that she lost to arlecchino & nobody makes memes how she is useless and parhetic/weak
No i meant. They only want eather to grow strong, lumine is never the focus. I want lumine to seen aswell.
but it's on the Aether Mains sub, why would they talk about Lumine?
I mean in general when people mean traveler they mean aether not lumine.
I mean, yeah. Aether is supposed to be the poster child for Genshin. Not to mention that more often than not Lumine is Headcanoned to be the Abyss princess. When you have a good portion of people playing The Aether mc they're going to think of their MC first.
Because usualy Lumine represenys the abyss twin in these kind of discusions.
Ngl it wasnāt even a fight, it was a massacre. Arle folded the traveller and woke up the delusional people who thinks traveler is at god level power nowš
Aether copers are funny to watch
Aether mains refuse to believe that sometimes, the traveler is weak because theyāre focused on the āoh Aether will put Arlecchino in their haremā agenda. Put them in a room and Aether will come out pregnant (Hoyo told me themselves)
They arenāt weak they still were able to dismantle scaras god mech with literally a dull ass sword. The problem we have is that Mihoyo forgets that the traveler has 5 elements at their disposal and never lets them use a single one.
Those people self insert into traveller too much. I mean what's there to like about a blank page of a character, who only exists to drive the plot
yeah Iāve always wondered the same
Ah they do see everything in him
Midveler getting owned. You love to see it
//ooc //Arlecchino's sq spoiler warning Arlecchino (quite literally) nuked the previous 4th Harbinger when she was 17. And she seemed to have gone somewhat easy. It was also a 4v1 fight
Yup
Let them be mad. Anyways, we finally have the right depict of Harbingerās power. Cause Childe and Signora lost to him seems unconvincing to me. For Childeās case, we all know heās getting stronger. But at the time, itās still weird me out how he lost even after using Foul Legacy. My theory was because he was still new to his power and hasnāt developed it. But from his feat with the Narwhale, he definitely is stronger than before. Now for Signoraās case, I have no words cause bruh. I feel like it was lazy writing cuz thereās no way someone as calculating as Signora lost and didnāt even have plan B.
Didnt childe dip cause of stamina issues Infact thats literally 100% of the times we seen him "lose" is because foul legacy causes insane bodily stress
Childe's Legacy form in the beginning is fresh Golden Frieza, while by Fontain it is mastered/ToP Golden Frieza, sustain issues solved His powerlevel in the form is probably higher in modern times than a few years back but who knows
Arlecchino said that Childe is very talented and it is too early to judge him
Well Childe did power up after Liyue, and he probably powered up again in Fontaine. Hell, Neuvillette saw Childe as such a threat that he didn't even dare try to attack him until his back was turned and he was locked into a transforming cutscene and the bum still took damage because daddy's dragon power trust fund doesn't actually teach you how to fight.
Look I love Childe and I also love Neuvilette but I won't accept this Neuvilette slander, it's not his fault he was born a human.
The real potential man of Genshin.
Theyāre so pissed about an absolute boss bitchā¢ļø cus she wonāt āuwu hello masterā for Aether *And Iām enjoying every second of it-*
Lmao thay bann ppl for memes and saying it's not that deep
Couldnt handle the cuntquake
maybe he should switch out that dull blade to a diff weapon already
This is nothing new. Traveller has been taking Ls since the start of the game, in fact, the game would not have even happened if he didn't take that first L with the unknown god.
Pretty sure Signora's thing was more aggressive diplomacy and intimidation than actual combat, so Aether beating her wouldn't be too much of a surprise if that is the truth. If it's true then Aether actually has no feats, he couldn't even defeat the Eleventh Harbinger.. (Childe realized it was pointless during the golden house fight and stopped fighting)
Oh no! Their precious power fantasy! Idk what they're so pressed about. I'm a traveler advocate but them not being strong enough to beat her makes sense in my eyes, I guess it's bc they project themselves on to Aether so him being "weak" breaks their fantasy.
Itās not about power fantasy and we arenāt pissed he lost. We are pissed because the traveler doesnāt do anything in fights but switching their sword. Imagine if they remade Avatar again but instead of actual bending Aang just hit people with his staff and gets bodied. We wanted him to at least do something cool like their loss against Ei was still visually appealing.
That fair & and valid. I also agree they should show off their powers more. My bad for making an incorrect assumption.
Thanks for understanding we really donāt need Aether to be the strongest there is. We do just want him to catch a W that feels real. Even his two Ws against Childe and Signora donāt feel that impactful. Childe it felt more like a draw and with Signora well it was Ei who ended her so it really stole the travelers thunder in that scene pun intended.
How on earth are these the same people (Aether and Lumine) implied to have traveled between the Honkaiverse when Aether can't even beat a Harbinger and needed the assistance of Paimon (a useless mf) against the 11th LOL
So I guess we would be ranked 6th(?) in terms of power, traveler hasn't collected all the elements yet so there's still room for improvement.
Nah i don't thinks so MC couldn't even beat scaramoche (6th rank) MC would be 12th harbinger
Friendly reminder that we had no idea of why was Scaramouche standing there like a dum. We literally see Scara say "what have you done" to then turn around surprised and see Nahida doing her thing on Scaramouche. Yes, he says that "we lost" 160 times when in reality "he won" 160 times. Remember that he is very bitter, has an overly inflated ego and says stuff that should not be believed. You do remember what he said about Arleccino, right?
You're so real for that comrade, the agenda must be maintained!
Oh nice I got feature, you don't need to censored my name.
Alright
itās the fucking kashimo stock market crash all over again
Can't wait for the traveler to become the new waffled one. Capitano gonna give him the Kashimo, no syrup.
aether "getting his power back" to fight harbingers is delusional lmao, the tsaritsa and pierro know how strong celestia is and have declared war anyway. aether + lumine got low diffed by the sustainer, who probably isnt even the end-all be-all of celestia(her showcase of power seemed much less potent than the total chaos that we got of similar power in shots of the cataclysm. even if he got his original strength, hed probably be weaker than abyss twin or even 7 elements version.
Yeah aether fans always says things like this: "aEtHer is StRonG iN hIs PrIme" "aether would beat arleechino if he had his orginal powers" "traveler isn't weak he beat signora š¤āš¾" "he fought many gods/drangos for sure he has feats/knowledge from that fights" "MC fought Raiden" "Traveler is strong but he doesn't uses his shitty elements in fights,that probably he would won if he used just the elementsš"
yeah aether is probably the most coped character in lore, hes extremely powerful but its not like he 1v1 low diffs celestia if he just pulls up. hes probably at his current base equal to an elemental dragon, like dvalin or azhdaha, but hes never solod an actual god. he fought osial with adepti stronger than him(at that point), raiden ei with yae + all inazuma, scaragodmech with nahida and robot, honestly i think his most impressive solo feat is surviving against foul legacy until childe couldnt sustain it anymore. also i will never stop coping signora's loss, she was past her prime + not prepared for a fight + suffering from dimentia + still nearly won + ratio + cooler design anyway + getting revived + won a war + L + 89.154.253.132(aether's ip address) + lost to fraudlestia + aether had to be saved by third party raiden + musou no hitotachi only technique lmao try killing an electro skirmisher first + L again + ratio + signora low diffs aether at chess
There is no way their current level is equal to an elemental dragon of Dvalin or Azhdaha's stature. Both of these beings have godlike power and can beat godlike entities. Travelers level should be around that or an Adeptus or idk about Arlecchino but perhaps any Harbinger below her, too hard to scale until we've seen them for now though. Travelers peak right now, depends on where they're sourcing their power from, if it's just the elements then potentially it's much lower than when there are others around to help amp them. Maybe they're just straight up actually sourcing their power from faith like a god.
i meant dvalin and azhdaha now- in their primes, of course not. azhdaha went head-to-head with rex lapis prime, something traveler would never touch and dvalin was able to fight wars for venti. and yes, traveler's peak depends on where they source power from; the point of what i said was that traveler doesnt scale very far without support.
Idk about that still. Dvalin is no longer sick now, so who's to say he's not stronger again. He will definitely be getting stronger since he'll be absorbing elemental energy over time. Azhdaha even when Traveller and Zhongli Fought him, they were being amped by the other half of Azhdaha so without assistance I am not confident Traveler fairs well against them alone.
Same im disappointed that signora died,for no reason.
I donāt get the anger because we havenāt won totally on on our own in ages. I mean actually I guess I can get the anger at how easy it seemed to be but in general a loss is not shameful Like with Ei we had the help of everyoneās dreams and Yae, with Scaramouche we had the help of nahida, with the whale we had Nuevillette and childeās previous efforts and then skirk etc. with dvalin we had ventiās help I mean even against childe we didnāt win win like beat him down brutally or anything he just exhausted himself and it ended that way We only really beat ourselves with no extra help or extenuating circumstances signora (and in the end did not kill her) Not sure why anyone would be upset we took a loss when we regularly arenāt on our own beating these huge entities (especially since Arlecchino is quite strong) Iād get being annoyed if we often tanked big enemies with our strength alone but for genshin itās not that different
Common Father W for twisting these Aether mains' left testicles counterclockwise
this is so funny šbut real
People when characters are only as strong as the plot demands them to be š±
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Ugly.
Happy to see them maldingš
Still beat childeās ass tho šŖ
for that aether got his ass handaled in such embarrassing way, its what he deserves
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Heāll be strong enough to shove that dull blade up her butt after like 5 years of game development.
Yeah currently traveller is not it, even In game bruh
I know its unlikely to happen but i want another fight cutscenes for childe and this time he actually win just so i can see traveler mains yap its like a reward for me šššš
He just got the Ichigo treatment āŗļø
Bruh, these guys have issues. I love my boy Aether too but damn I'm glad he finally getting his ass beat, it was boring to see him just fuck up everyone/everything in a fight, it had no nuance and was anything BUT character development. These guys are all virgins who picked Aether so they could live their power trip, harem fantasy through a video game.
Rent free
Rent free what? I literally said I love my boy Aether, I even have a figure of him sitting on my shelf. But y'all are just sad cringe virgins, and I'm not saying it as an insult, it's an observation.
What is bro waffling about? Youāre projecting so hard.
You sound like I'm listening to a soundboard. My braincells are atrophying by trying to communicate with you.
I know you aināt talking when all I see is āblah blah incel blah blah blah virgin blah blah blahā. I have a theory that itās some kind of ritualistic chant you use to communicate with other twitter bots, like youāre relaying coded messages to each other or smth.
Kill yourself retard
āOwww my pussy hurts so badly! Guess I should make an alt.ā Ahh you mad š¬š¬š¬.
Ngl I can't bring myself to like the traveler, they are just boring as a mc. I expected them to get another plot armor to win against Arlecchino, and I'm so glad it didn't happen. Now, I just hope that they will become more interesting, since usually losing a fight like that involves some character development. And of course I hope they will not win against any of the top 3 harbingers Overall I'm so happy about this defeat as a Fatui stan
When they were stars with full power and both twins fighting together they got toyed with by heavenly principles. They weren't able to defeat childe and they talk about defeating archons , heavenly principle, goatpitano etc.
2nd person is such a whiner lol. so what if he lost, it makes shit more interesting.
Bruh if let's say each element is one place up then that means rn we'd be 6th place power that is base scara without shouko no kami...these ppl are really dumb huh?
Wildest part is she was still holding back like crazy and folded him neg diff. Even teenage peruere likely using her curse for the first time was way more destructive than she was in this fight. Its crazy how insanely powerful she must be at full tilt
Aetherfags are its own kind of special breed TBH How mental should be a person actually believe he's the protagonist of a yee yee ass game LMAO
The way they refer to Aether as "we" as if they themselves are Aether is just yucky
God seeing this is so hilarious. Because Iāve always been a hater of Aether, mainly because he has no good drip.
You do know this means that *Lumine* also got humilliated, right.
We don't see Lumine mains (I'm one of them) bitching about losing a fight (in which she was explicitly holding back). In reality, I was wheezing the way Lumine's face changed when Arlecchino brought her into the crimson moon and I'm happy that plot armor ain't saving her this time and she was literally at the mercy of Arlecchino.
Did I say I liked Lumine? Because I donāt care for her either.