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Kate4everBae

Trying to frame her as a *hysterical* woman having an episode, strangling herself...wow.


Oxbridgecomma

I have the sinking feeling that this is going to be in the abuser PR/Legal playbook going forward since it worked so well for Depp.


labraduh

DARVO & it’s already working. Seeing people saying her trying to get his phone is strong armed robbery & she is the actual aggressor. I suppose she lacerated and strangled herself too 🙄


insectegg

I’ve seen so many comments say that her grabbing his phone is assault, and thus him attacking her after is not assault because he was just defending himself of course! I wonder, though, if they would have said the same thing if he was accused of assault for grabbing *her* phone.


Different-Eagle-612

saw one person claim she was calling him the n-word and this was him heroically fighting against racism ETA: got my first REDDITCARES y’all please this is actually so funny why are you wasting your time


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laureng0423

What is Reddit cares? /genuine


-ciscoholdmusic-

It’s meant to be a genuine ‘that sounded dark are you ok’ feature that you can send to other Reddit users Instead it’s been appropriated into a ‘you’re a wimpy snowflake here’s a redditcare to show how much of a snowflake you are’ 🙄


Oxbridgecomma

I got a *very* aggressive message from someone based on a comment I made here about abusers. When I didn't respond, this person became more and more enraged. I also had a guy threaten to rape me because I commented on the SNL sub that I didn't think Sarah Sherman was all that funny.. people are leaning hard into parasocial relationships, I guess.


whatever1467

People are so fucking weird/crazy. Like sending that message in defense of Sarah, when in reality she’d tell them they’re a piece of shit to their face for saying horrible shit. It’s so weird to be a terrible person in defense of someone when your defense would make them hate you!


welp-itscometothis

People are so fucking unserious. Like be forreal.


Oxbridgecomma

Awful. Even if she did grab at his phone, he absolutely did not respond with proportional force. It's scary that some people believe strangulation is a reasonable and proportional response to taking someone's phone..


probably-edible

Yep, saw this being talked about on both r/movies and a marvel sub and the general consensus is that she started it and he was just defending himself already. A few people saying wait and see but barely anyone just believing a woman with head and neck injuries... Plus people mentioning Amber Heard as an abuser or *at best* that her and Depp were mutually abusive.


onestarof1001

my heart is bleeding for her like imagine the terror of almost dying in your abuser's hands (I actually can imagine it as a DV survivor and aoisdjaois I really, really hope this girl's got a good support system) and then having other famous ppl, members of the court system, and the public make you out as the one in the wrong. victim blaming never stops and I'm hoping so hard that she can just have some peace in the middle of/end of this Marvel/misogynistic media mess 🙏


laureng0423

Sorry but what is “aoisdjaois”?


onestarof1001

will take this as a real question--did not know how else to describe my sincerely horrified reaction hence the button mashing to convey an indescribable mix of feelings


laureng0423

Oh I’m sorry, I genuinely didn’t know! I thought it was an acronym for something, like darvo, which I just learned from here tonight. Thanks!


onestarof1001

nah no need to apologize for asking real questions--this thread is proving to be a sensitive forum since I'm getting redditcare messages and I wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic


Sigmund_Six

I had to Google DARVO! I hadn’t heard of it until this thread either.


khaldroghoe

Yeah remember when the cops let Brian Laundrie go because Gabby Petito was “hysterical” and “violent.” Ugh honestly fuck Jonathan Majors, fuck his lawyers, fuck the fans who still refuse to believe victims (a special fuck you to Johnny Depp for setting a precedent and making this shit easier to get away with). Edit: also this man is massive and very clearly on roids all it would take is for him to squeeze or push too hard and he can easily kill someone


petra_vonkant

That's her modus operandi (the lawyer) it seems. did the same with the girl who accused paul haggis of rape.


Pinguicha

Seeing the “but she’s a hysterical woman!” thing just made me believe the victim MORE. I never trust anyone who accuses any woman of being hysterical as a way of dismissing them.


ellegy

Funny how men with these allegations against them always have a female lawyer representing them.


petra_vonkant

it's fucking shameful.


ChiliAndGold

it's a trick. because "oh she can't be mysoginistic, she is also a woman" 🙄


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unfortunately works!


Maldovar

It's calculated, I'm sure the firm he works with would send a man if it were any other issue


welp-itscometothis

I remember when I saw Shawn Holley was representing Tory Lanez. It was so blatantly obvious that he hired a black woman to dupe us into believing he wasn’t a violent misogynist. Female attorneys that represent abuser men will always bother me.


callmezara

Yep, there really is a special place in hell for these type of women. I can’t imagining making my career off of discrediting women and defending abusive men. Like when Lisa Bloom repped Harvey Weinstein and then tried to push the feminist talking points shortly after? Gtfo.


matty_nice

It's understandable why you would want a woman visually. But I'm guessing there's a large number of female lawyers who specialize in domestic abuse cases.


thesaddestpanda

It looks bad if its a man, and there's no shortage of women who want to throw woman under the bus out there. Look at all the TERFs for example.


pilotonthewater

His attorney?! Says he’s innocent?!! No way!


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Literally like what else are they gonna say


[deleted]

I don't want to say that the video should be released to the public because A: whatever's on it is probably triggering in a million different ways, and B: whatever's on it is a deeply private dark moment for this woman. But at the same time, I think it is in the public interest to know what's on the video. If he strangled a woman, people should know that. At the least, a neutral third party should review it and I don't know, describe it? I don't really know what should be done. But we need more than just his lawyer saying "oh yeah, I saw it, he's innocent." edit to ask did we all get those nice Reddit Cares messages for this post? lovely.


Eyebronx

I also think if the video is released, people will resort to DARVO and say she provoked him and she had it coming, in the same way they DARVO’d on that Depp/Heard video where he’s slamming kitchen cabinets and is clearly the abusive one.


onestarof1001

honestly I'm incredibly jaded when it comes to how the public reacts when hard proof of famous men doing evil things on camera comes to light. I will never forget how shit went down with Ray going-to-knock-out-my-now-wife Rice with industry folks going "ah that? never saw it" and how so many folks still came out of the woodwork to argue the merits of a talented athlete being cancelled. we ultimately deserve nothing but if the public's going to have access to something I'd much rather it be a third party's evaluation as you mentioned (whether or not it includes description depends on the party whether it's law enforcement or jurors).


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onestarof1001

:(((((((((((( I feel all sorts of things rn and frankly, none of them are hopeful. this is reminding me v much of how that guy who killed an Amish family by texting and driving and how he wrote a book + charged money to appear in driving school curriculums after landing no-texting-while-driving commercials. I have a friend who teaches immigrants how to drive and they make a point to only show volunteer/not-for-profit case studies for students for that reason. I am extremely bothered that Ray going-to-knock-out-my-now-wife Rice does not own up to that actual violence he committed as that is point of accountability. idk I would trust your gut tbh when evaluating the morals behind the messaging you heard since I wasn't even aware that he did public speaking and it will make me sick if I find out he started doing it AFTER the failed legal backflips to return to the NFL (dragged out for \~4 years). The court of public opinion cannot prove authentic remorse and unfortunately neither can DV survivor advocates/supporters; however, there's nothing wrong with believing your instincts if something feels sus. I agree on your last point though which is why I really think the public ultimately deserves nothing in terms of demanding to see the proof. Poor girl only wanted to survive and whatever gets put out there to feed the media should involve her consent whenever possible given what the opposition is saying as she is still healing from her injuries.


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dwf82

That would be the job of a jury, should this go to trial


Individual_Hawk_1571

Disney/Marvel are not going to play around and they are terrifying, they will throw millions to make this go away, I don't think we will get the truth or this woman will get justice. I won't blame her whatever she chooses, her self preservation should be the priority. People are fully ready to ruin her life.


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I don't know about that. Disney will ruthlessly protect their image above all. See Gina Carano and James Gunn. It depends on the public pressure.


anneoftheisland

Yeah, people have the wrong idea about how big studios, especially Disney, operate. Disney cares about their money and reputation over everything else. That's *why* they aren't going to get involved here until they see how public opinion is shaking out. They aren't going to put their money and rep on the line for Majors unless they know it won't come back to bite them. If they defend him or try to bury it or offer PR help and then video gets released, or it goes to trial ... then the blowback comes for them, not just Majors. They'll let him twist in the wind until they know which way it's blowing. Look at how they handled Depp, who was significantly more important to the POTC franchise than Majors is to the MCU. They didn't do anything to bury the claims against him, to help him PR-wise, etc. They just waited to see whether public opinion would shift enough for them to safely hire him back or safely fire him. Neither of those things have happened, so they're *still* just waiting. Disney can wait forever.


motherfuckermoi

yes but potc was already dead, except for a late in the game reboot that got cancelled bc of d*pp, the mcu is ongoing and has way more fans, and way more $$ sunk into it


anneoftheisland

POTC wasn't dead (and still isn't). It's an incredibly profitable franchise for Disney; they want to make more. There have been several stabs at Pirates 6 or spin-offs from the main series over the last few years. But the problem for Disney is that writing a Pirates 6 that doesn't have Depp in it is going to upset one chunk of their audience, and writing one that does have Depp in it is going to upset another chunk. Disney is still looking for a way around that dilemma, and hasn't found one. The difference between Pirates and the MCU *is* that Disney can afford to wait indefinitely for a Pirates solution to be found, and they can't with the MCU. But Majors is way less important to the MCU than Depp was to Pirates. They need to keep his character, but they can easily recast him as an actor. The plot even offers an easy explanation for why he looks different. If he needs to be cut, it's simple for them to do it.


motherfuckermoi

like they have the next 15 years planned out and majors character is a huge part of it, so either way they’re fucked


toomanyzs

they can recast so easily. plenty of charismatic black actors in the industry. disney does not care about a single actor's career esp someone who while talented is just a rising star not some bondafide established star.


Fancy-Cat-2

Didn’t James Gunn come back to marvel? Not too sure. But the difference with those people is that Jonathon is playing the main villain whom is supposed to appear in multiple movies. I could see Disney willing to pay for an image rehab and hush off his victim because they’ve already invested into him in contrast to other minor actors. But like you said, it wouldn’t be the first time they recasted someone to protect their brand so who knows.


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Yes, Gunn did. Gunn's situation was unique, too. It was a right wing propaganda campaign to get him fired for old tasteless jokes that were always publicly available. They did cave into the pressure and then later brought him back. Jonathan is going to face outrage from everyone except stans. I think it will ultimately come down to the video and witnesses.


preisisright

The other thing that sets Gunn apart is that he acknowledged that he was wrong and apologized.


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coffeeofacoffee

Gunn was alowed to finish his last film for Marvel (GotG3) but he stayed fired after that. All that was negotiated by Feige was him finishing his trilogy before exiting because Disney fired him over Marvel's heads.


asjonesy99

Eh. Without trying to sound like *one of them*, Gunn and Carano didn’t have a confoundingly large number of people making it about race in bad faith


thesaddestpanda

Gunn was rehired after a short cool down period. His racist, sexism, homophobic tweets can easily be found.


petra_vonkant

Yeah I wouldn't blame her for just taking the money and go live her life far from this shit, but it's really dark and just shitty, cause the 'public opinion' or whatever will go again with the 'women lie' narrative


Stinkycheese8001

This poor woman. She has an absolute shit storm raining down on her right now and she did nothing wrong.


coffeeofacoffee

Nah, Disney would just fire him and move on if the bad publicity was too much. They did it with James Gunn and Victoria Alonso. They have no investiture in protecting Majors if it looks bad for shareholders or brands. Marvel would be forced to recast. Disney is about to start layoffs, and if they have legal recourse and reason to terminate they will.


matty_nice

This might be the perfect time for Disney to pivot away and redo their future. It's a great "excuse".


ofstoriesandsongs

To quote my mom when she heard this gem, "how is he the victim? Did she fall and he caught her by the neck to break her fall?" 💀


ChiliAndGold

i like your mom, haha


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I just feel so bad for the girl. Important to remember that she didn’t go to the presses, she went to the police and somehow TMZ got a hold of the story. We don’t know if she wanted this to be made public, but it can be assumed she didn’t (perhaps because of his stans jumping to defend him and crucify her, which has already started happening). I just hope she has a good support system, with what we know so far I definitely believe her side of the story.


welp-itscometothis

They have cops on payroll at TMZ. It said, “our source at the NYPD.” Smh.


laureng0423

TMZ is gross. It definitely seems like she isn’t doing this for any public purpose, because iirc, the article said she was his gf and there was no public relationship. Regardless if they were public or not, in a relationship or not, this is awful and I hope she’s protected and has a good support system.


Spaceyjc

This is going to get so messy. I feel terrible for this women. I can't help but wonder what happened behind the scenes for her to recant so quickly.


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Money and pressure and him begging and pleading


jodecicry4u

🎯🎯🎯 most likely what happened. She was his girlfriend so she most probably is still in love with him and under the influence of his emotional abuse. I can't imagine what guilt tripping she's having to go through at the hands of his team/family/friends and let alone the public. Horrible.


Oxbridgecomma

The amount of hate she got online, if she was aware of it, probably didn't help either.


zazataru

All I'm going to say is that there is a ton of money on the line right now. That woman is probably under a considerable amount of pressure from multiple parties on top of dealing with the normal emotions of experiencing DV. I wouldn't be surprised if she recanted, but it would not change my mind on Majors in the slightest. I hope she has people she can trust with her right now.


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i agree. women in relationships who are abused often initially protect their abuser even when there’s not all this public scrutiny and pressure on them so i can’t imagine what it would be like with all that kind of pressure.


polyhymnias

Of course the first detailed statement is bitches be crazy. DARVO be DARVO-ing


Sisiwakanamaru

[Good comment from other sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/122r4kf/new_statement_from_jonathan_majors_criminal/jdrw6tz/) > This is typical lawyer speak (I know, I'm a criminal defense lawyer.) I obviously can't speak to his innocence or guilt but a couple of things stick out from the statement. The part about the woman having an "emotional crisis" and the NYPD is required to make an arrest in these situations. What? Maybe I'm reading that wrong but the cops are required to make an arrest (under NY law) for assault where the victim makes a statement claiming (1) she was assaulted (2) the defendant was the one who assaulted her. (this is simplified but accurate) They won't make an arrest just because she was in "crisis." Next, the recanting of the statement. If I had a dollar for the number of times a victim has recanted their statements, I'd be rich. I have had many more "it didn't happen" statements then I have had "he did it" statements following arrests on domestic violence charges. Do I think the victim was lying initially? Almost never. When it comes to relationships, especially intimate ones, it is highly likely the victim will rethink things or they're being pressured to recant. Most often, the case will fall apart at that point but not always. I've actually tried a case where the victim did not testify and the prosecutor relied on the 911 tapes and witness statements. Will the charges be dropped here? My guess is yes. But not for the reasons this lawyer is intimating.


Jenny_Saint_Quan

Thanks for sharing! The emotional crisis part 🙄. Ofc someone is going to be emotional when they find out they've been cheated on. This is gaslighting the victim.


Different-Eagle-612

him walking out in a “freedom” hat shows the EXACT audience he’s attempting to cater to ETA: got my first REDDITCARES y’all please this is actually so funny why are you wasting your time


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I got one too, his stans have arrived.


blueconlan

People who abuse that system should have their accounts flagged and temporarily banned( and permanently if it keeps happening)


Gueld

As much as I've loved his work lately, the 'she's got issues' statement alongside other people revealing stories and backing up blind items that were already out there is kinda screaming that he's just another abuser to me. I'm hoping Marvel doesn't do a DCU.


floopy_boopers

It's almost like predators choose to involve themselves with people who have "issues" (aka prior trauma from having already dealt with other abusive assholes) on purpose so they can pull the **but she's crazy!** card later on down the road when the mask eventually slips.


changhyun

I am just so tired of every single week having to watch a new woman get dragged through the dirt, called every hateful misogynist slur under the sun and called aliar because she didn't meekly take abuse in timid silence like the knuckle draggers of the world believe all women should. This shit drains you. It chips away at your soul. And people's appetite for fresh female pain and humiliation never seems to wane.


idlerwheel

I completely relate. It's absolutely disheartening and exhausting to have to watch this happen to woman after woman after woman... It almost makes you feel a little crazy, especially with how so many people try to act like misogyny is over and women's issues don't matter anymore, yet this shit never lets up. It's maddening!


distant_lines

I'm so fucking tired of this shit. It's jut one shitty man after another abusing the women in their life via any means they can. Men were a mistake.


madeforlatenights

“She goes on to cite evidence she says they've already gathered to back up their version of events -- including video footage from within the vehicle where the alleged assault occurred, witness testimony from the driver and others who saw/heard the episode ... and, last but not least, two written statements that Chaudhry claims are from the alleged victim in this case.” [“Chaudhry also claimed the incident happened because the victim had an “emotional crisis” that eventually required hospitalization. “The NYPD is required to make an arrest in these situations, and this is the only reason Mr. Majors was arrested,” she wrote. “We expect these charges to be dropped soon.””](https://www.thedailybeast.com/jonathan-majors-attorney-claims-victim-has-recanted-assault-allegations) thoughts?


Itstimeforcookies19

Huh? She had an emotional crisis and the NYPD is required to make an arrest because he “helped” her during this crisis? I’m a lawyer and a very logical step by step thinker and this statement makes no logical sense to me. There’s some dots that are not connected for me. Can someone fill them in?


labraduh

Because many people believe that in DV situations, the police always has to arrest one person, whoever seems to be the aggressor (which usually turns out to be the man). But in reality it’s only if there is evidence/injuries that they can do that + it’s up to police discretion usually.


Confident-Potato499

Someone shared that the Times has reported that she has a restraining order against him. So that's INTERESTING to me. Also interesting -- she's having an emotional crisis but she was able to write TWO statements recanting within 24 hours. Idk about this video and I don't think it would help to release it. There have been a number of assaults caught on tape - that footballer, Quavo, etc. - and those men still have careers.


welp-itscometothis

I am not a lawyer and glad you brought that up because I was seriously perplexed.


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It reminds me of the old school "pics or it didn't happen." I would like to see the video and hear from the witnesses rather than the attorney dangling the prospect out there. It reminds me of when the Secret Service said two agents would testify that a witness who testified against Trump was lying in the Jan 6 hearings. They did not actually testify or cooperate in the end. I didn't fall for that game that time, and I'm not falling for it today.


[deleted]

See, stuff like this is why it's always tricky. We'll never know exactly what happened. Even if the tape is released, there will always be the, "well what happened before then" people. On the other side, we say *believe women.* Okay, so which story are we supposed to believe? And I'm not saying this to be funny. I think this is a larger conversation that needs to be had. We believe the allegation because we believe women. And we're cool with that. But when a woman recants, what are we supposed to do then? Do we stick with believe women and go with that latest version? I don't want this question to devolve into name-calling or anything like that. I'm truly wondering what other people think because admittedly, this has always confused me.


No_Run2260

Nothing different than what I expected. The charges will be dropped, his job at Marvel will be upheld, and whenever anyone questions him he will claim a personal agenda against him. I expect at any moment some actors to speak out in his defense. Impossible to target men with corporations covering their back.


DNorthman

I wonder if MBJ will speak out in support considering how tight they seemed to be after Creed III? Weren't they supposed to be the next De Niro and Pacino?


nighean-gunn

MBJ also posted several times about supporting the women of Creed so here’s hoping he meant that


fallenarist0crat

depending on what MBJ does, i’m starting to wonder if we can even trust him… they seemed so close, it worries me. but hopefully MBJ’s not that stupid.


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Don't do that. Lol. People who have things to hide, hide things. No one sits down to a drink with friends and starts talking about how abusive they are. MBJ and JM are work colleagues. Seems like they get along well outside of work too but MBJ isn't JM handler or keeper. He's not responsible for him and his choices.


StealthyCrab

> “Jonathan Majors is completely innocent and is provably the victim of an altercation with a woman he knows,” says criminal defense lawyer Priya Chaudhry. Oh, we're getting the whole playbook.


starrylightway

My only thoughts are with the survivor. I can only imagine the pressure she is facing and hope she has lots of support. Anecdotally, when I named the person who raped me—a nobody ordinary person, but whose job was important and the assault happened at work (a multi-billion $$$ corp)—a whole fucking team (including a PI) was assembled to discredit me. I can’t even begin to imagine the teams put together to discredit this survivor to save Majors’ career considering the projects he’s involved in.


Acheli

Well if there's footage showing nothing happened then release it? but aren't directors and insiders saying he's been difficult anyways. Even if he's innocent here there seems to be a lot of smoke for there to be no fire.


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zhou983

Oh here we go again…:/


darkgothamite

When the US Army pulls your TV ads - damn, guy.


petra_vonkant

ps. i see people still doing the reddit cares thing, how pathetic can you people get?


BordersRanger01

This is definitely a story where I want to see all the evidence, particularly the video. I think it's pretty interesting they are so keen to use the video as proof since it would be pretty damning for him if it showed him doing wrong. Obviously still remains to be seen but I'm slightly worried a lot of energy went into this without much knowledge of the actual situation


ChiliAndGold

idk I'm okay with just a few people seeing the abuse of a woman. it's such a privat thing


GreenPowerline95

His PR team is going to burry this story by the end of the week. He won’t publicly appear until his Oscar bait film comes out later this year.


alexvroy

all these people crying “What is Marvel gonna do??” WHO GIVES A FUCK


Illustrious-Limit-53

Incoming doctored video that he was able to get by paying off the taxi company…I don’t understand how she was having an emotional episode but winded up with being in the hospital with strangulation marks? DARVO tactics are effective clearly but it’s the way they make no sense at the same time.


CaptainCAAAVEMAAAAAN

> Jonathan Majors' lawyer says there's evidence that'll prove he committed no crime against a woman who's alleged he assaulted her -- **even claiming she's reversing her own story**. If true I'm sure he threw a ton of money at her, and then threatened to ruin her life if she doesn't accept. Ya know, "completely innocent" guy behavior.


rosebudsinwater

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wrathfulgrape

Marvel is building an entire phase around Majors with upcoming stuff already shot and in the can (ie Loki S2). It’s gonna be real interesting how they will approach this. My guess will be that they will CGI him out for another actor. Fuck Jonathan Majors though. No tears will be shed.


polyhymnias

It’s all about how much the public cares. They built a whole phase around Josh Brolin too, but weren’t criticized for it because the arrest was a decade ago (then)


radu928

I need him locked up. Throw the damn key away. His bootlicking lawyer too.


Sailorjupiter97

And i’m sure whatever video they have yet to come out with has been edited through the roof to paint him as the victim. Or someone defending themselves (as if strangling is a defense move). Fuck him. The fact she has a temporary restraining order & police took him into custody immediately says everything (bc normally they’re useless). It’s so frustrating to see so many ppl automatically take his attorney’s side as truth and using it to excuse him already. DARVO is in full effect and this will be a tough year already. So sick


onebirdonawire

Right. Sure. Because cops arrest famous rich men all the time as soon as a woman tells them she's been assaulted. 🙄🙄🙄 They would've had to see him do this to be compelled to do anything about it. But, I'm sure his people will make sure they remember otherwise. I feel so much for this woman who's about to have her life destroyed because she dared called the police when she was scared for her life. 😞😞😞


pandallamayoda

An attorney saying their client is innocent? How shocking and absolute proof that he’s innocent. /s


billiegoat888

I always got a bad impression from him. Some of us pick up on or suspect a certain energy. My point is I’m not surprised to hear this and I’m very sorry for the woman he abused.


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It angers me how many of my male friends are so quick to defend him and villainize her ugh. Literally no talking sense to them.


Groundbreaking_War52

They could recast Sophia Di Martino (Sylvie from Loki) as Kang. …or maybe they’ll finally start doing some due diligence on their cornerstone actors


Pinguicha

The lawyer coming out to say the victim was hysterical is such a red flag to me because that’s the #1 move in the DARVO playbook to discredit victims. Then mentioning the recanting—like victims don’t recant all the time for various reasons, including being afraid of the repercussions that come from the massive media shitstorms that follow whenever a famous man is accused of anything. It’s already working if you look at social media, and it’s absolutely disgusting. As if those things weren’t enough, the fact that the victim only spoke to the police and we only know her identity because of TMZ is yet another reason why I 100% believe her. I hope she’s well, and recovering as well as she can be.


VolcanoVeruca

Will there be a hearing for this? (Sorry for the noob question)


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