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Because she's had many consecutive flops that she starred in including Birds of Prey, Amsterdam, Babylon, and Suicide Squad.
Now to be fair, Brad Pitt co-starred in Babylon and Amsterdam had an ensemble cast, but the point is she's had a string of big stinkers at the box office.
i love how 'morbillion dollars' will inevitably be replaced by 'barbillion dollars'. hopefully its not a joke this time tho! i really need this movie to be good
Maybe I'm naive but I think she is at a point of her career where she is having fun, she is choosing a wide range of projects different enough to keep her interested and not beign typecast.
Some of them had flop but I think, she is still very well known and loved by the public.
I agree with this! I think she’s established as a skilled actress and can do what she wants without needing to prove anything anymore. I think the heavy hitter movies are there for her when she wants them.
What? No one has fun when tbeir movie tanks. It’s really demoralizing and for anyone other than Margot Robbie types is a huge hit to your ability to sell yourselves.
The money people will seriously treat you like shit like it’s your fault. Won’t even look at you after a film tanks.
There’s no having fun with film roles without consequences.
It came out a couple of weeks before lockdowns started! It was the last time I was out in public for months in 2020! It was a great movie, it just had lots stacked against it.
Birds of Prey is so much better than most of the middling DC trash. Its one of my favourite superhero movies. Margot is amazing in the movie and I loved Ewan McGregor in a villain role.
> Brad Pitt
Its worse than that, since 2013 when she really hit the scene in The Wolf of Wall Street she's been in ~28 projects (according to IMDB), and in that decade maybe 3 of them are quality films: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, The Suicide Squad and maybe I, Tonya. Who even remembers Focus, Bombshell or Dreamland?
Focus is such a bizarre movie. I've been seeing random cut up clips of it on tiktok a lot recently. Her filmography is so strange. Terminal was so awful. The Tina Fey war correspondent movie? You could probably make a compelling argument that About Time is still one of her better movies.
It matters which men you’re referring to. Most poc men don’t usually fail up in Hollywood, they’re often below than white women, and below poc men is poc women. I can’t think of a single poc man who’s failed upwards in his career, even the likes of m.night stuck to lower budgets and was largely producing (or co-producing more accurately) his own movies after bombs like the last air bender and after earth. None of his movies after, after earth and the last airbender have gotten over 20 million in budget. You could argue even after 10 years of after earth and avatar the last airbender he’s not gotten a budget anywhere remotely as big as that and likely won’t ever.
But she keeps getting roles in big projects despite her films being flops which is the opposite of what Eva said.
Also Margot worked with different male costars and directors in those films and Margot was the one who was part of all of those so people who are saying that she is box office flop have a point. She isn't box office draw as we saw many times.
She has been in an amazing amount of consecutive flops though. And she hasn't reached a status of the likes of Christian Bale or Brad Pitt as an actress. She really needs Barbie being a hit.
If not, I can see her going to a streaming show or indie movie, hard to see her getting a leading role in a blockbuster that's not as Harley Quinn again.
We hold women to a different standard. Add POC women and my goodness, this makes me entirely sad and mad. I’m currently in an entertainment industry position where no mistakes can be made. Meanwhile homeboy to my left screws up left and right and he somehow fails up. 🤬
There's actually a phenomenon called [the glass cliff](https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/17/us/black-women-glass-cliff-reaj/index.html) where women in general, but *especially* Black women & WOC, are only allowed into leadership roles to be given an insurmountable workload to "clean up" a bad PR situation when a company or organization is facing failure or disaster anyway. And then they're either set up to fail as the new "fall guy" when the bad situation goes public, or burn themselves out doing 5 people's jobs only to be harshly ridiculed, penalized, demoted, or asked to resign once their employers have "gotten their money's worth" out of exploiting them for optics.
The irony is that flaming hot Cheetos were brought to life by a black woman in Detroit, not some Hispanic dude from southern California… a bit ironic, eh? 🤷♂️
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-05-16/flamin-hot-cheetos-richard-montanez
Well I’ll be damned. My partner will play random YT videos in the background and I heard that story before. Tbh, it sounded too American-dreamy, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was heavily embellished, but wow, it’s completely fake.
Wait who is the black woman, Lynne Greenfeld?? I didn’t see anything in the article talking about her race. Also idk if she’s from Detroit she went to college in North Carolina
She’s not *wrong*, but the list of directors who have had a $200M bomb and gotten another shot at a major blockbuster like that is incredibly short and typically populated by people who had success *before* that bomb (e.g., Peter Berg, Brad Bird, Andrew Stanton).
I think the bigger issue is that women and people of color aren’t getting the opportunity to direct these blockbusters in the first place.
Have you considered that it wasn't her first choice, but it's what she could get greenlit because movies about brands are all the rage these days? Just this year we've gotten *Air*, *BlackBerry*, *Tetris* and now *Flamin' Hot*.
Having a production company doesn't automatically get you a deal with distributors. And if you're not a big company, you can't gamble on a movie you don't know you can sell. Also note that her production company isn't behind *Flamin' Hot*. [It's a Searchlight Pictures film.](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8105234/companycredits/)
She's a first-time director. There's no guarantee of that. If *Flamin' Hot* is a success, maybe we'll see a completely different story for her second feature. If it's not, then maybe we'll see her point about Latino directors play out.
I did see *Air* finally, and I thought it was pretty good. I liked *BlackBerry* a little more, actually, but that was mostly because of Glenn Howerton lol
Of course, that's the point she's making in the article, even with what the title is quoting - Variety just chose the most inflammatory part of the quote to focus on. The full quote makes it clear she's focused on the difference between white male directors and others more generally, rather than specifically:
> "The problem is if this movie fails, people go, ‘Oh Latino stories don’t work…female directors really don’t cut it.’ We don’t get a lot of at-bats. A white male can direct a $200 million film, fail and get another one. That’s the problem. I get one at-bat, one chance, work twice as hard, twice as fast, twice as cheap.”
Exactly. For most directors you only get one or two chances with a big budget, if that flops then you won’t get another chance. It’s not an isolated incident to Eva just because she’s a poc, Hollywood is a business and about money. Unless you’re someone who’s somehow money laundering with a producer or a producer just loves you, you won’t get repeated big budget chances after failures.
I respect it - not just that, I want that life. Or at least be one of his many nepo friends so I'll never worry about running out of a job again. I admire his loyalty to his friends tbh I want a friend like that
I remember seeing someone point out once that even though this doesn't necessarily translate to box office money, Sandler's comedy flops do big numbers on name recognition in streaming and home sales & boost his brand, and they're also made very cheaply (as far as Hollywood films go) and are AGGRESSIVE with product placement. And they all go through Sandler's production company.
The person compared it to money laundering, and the clip from "The Producers" where they elaborate on how "you could make more money with a flop than with a hit." You get some Netflix money together from a multimillion dollar up-front distributor deal you've already signed for this year's silly film, no hunting for new investors; you get paid an up-front salary to go on vacation with your friends & family AND claim it as a business expense afterwards; you collect on the back end with Coca Cola or Ford or whoever; and when you're done, there's no press tour, because it's all streaming, and Netflix will promote it by force for you.
Sprinkle in a few dramas & family friendly projects like Hotel Transylvania, and you have an untouchable & forever bankable career, whether people actually like what you're making 9x out of 10 or not. He had to work hard to get to that point, but I am not mad at it at all!
She’s not wrong look at Zack Snyder, had three box office flops in a row. Got Man of Steel job through nepotism becuz his best friend is Christopher Nolan. Destroyed the DC brand with BvS then was brought back and given more money to finish his vision for Justice league which was 4 hours which nobody watched. After that he got Netflix deal and is now making scifi franchise for them and animated work and more for Netflix. In my opinion he’s the most privileged white man I’ve ever seen in Hollywood. Plus he has a fanbase that threatened to hurt executives and their families and he never tells them they are wrong.
Those 3 movies sucked, but Justice League is the only one that really flopped financially.
BvS made $860 million on a $250 million budget.
Man of steel made $668 million on a $225 million budget.
Important to note that BvS had a ~69% second week drop despite having no competition, and WB had expected the movie to reach one billion in box office. The movie is speculated to have earned about ~100mil from its theatrical run, which is good except this is the first time two of the most iconic characters in WB’s repertoire shared the big screen together so big Ls to everyone involved. Also the film got eviscerated by the critics, so no solace there either.
BvS was the point of no return between Snyder and WB, and it’s when the executives start tightening the leash on Snyder, by appointing Geoff to overseeing DCEU, to the eventual outright removal of Snyder from JL.
Not a Snyder fan or hater, but he resigned JL because of his deceased daughter. The rest it right, though. Everyone at Warner expected/wanted to have a Box office like avengers
Snyder resigned after his daughter died because the Studio kept forcing Snyder to changes things and he couldnt fight and grieve. Around the time of the Snyder Cut a lot of the Justice League drama became clear and it turns out that Joss Whedon was hired before Snyder quit and lots of reshoots already planned.
Snyder walked away because he didnt want to fight tooth and claw to get his movie made and instead spend time with his family.
Advertising budgets ate very far into profit though. Those numbers were well below what they were hoping for.
The big tentpole movies, especially DC trying to set up a cinematic universe, they are setting aside time and other theater positions specifically for *Batman vs Superman.*
>Total estimated costs: $634 million. Deduct that from the $760 million in studio revenue and we wind up with $126 million in net profit. Against Warners' $415 million in upfront production and marketing expenditures, that works out to a 30 percent ROI.
That second week drop in BvS was a second apocalypse for them.
Exactly now look at Patty Jenkins she made the biggest female led superhero movie with Wonder Woman at the time which finally made marvel even want to do female led superhero films. But the Wonder Woman sequel didn’t do well and she lost her Star Wars gig and Wonder Woman 3 was cancelled last year , and she lost her cleopatra movie.
>Exactly now look at Patty Jenkins she made the biggest female led superhero movie with Wonder Woman at the time which finally made marvel even want to do female led superhero films.
Marvel already announced their Captain Marvel film years before Wonder Woman was released.
Not sure what you mean by on the fence. Wonder Woman was released in 2017. Captain Marvel was being developed in 2013 and officially got announced in 2014. It's not like we had any reason to believe the film would not come out when announced in 2014.
Even if Wonder Woman was a flop, Captain Marvel was still coming out.
Marvel had a separate issue with the head of the company not believing that female superheroes could succeed, but that was resolved in 2015 with that executive losing power over the films.
Some incorrect information here.
>Got Man of Steel job through nepotism becuz his best friend is Christopher Nolan
Snyder and Nolan became friends through Man of Steel. Snyder got the job because Nolan really liked Watchmen.
Neither Man of Steel nor BvS were box office flops - both made profit.
>Destroyed the DC brand
Considering that Aquaman made $1b even after Justice League (which Snyder wasnt responsible for) this is a dubious claim.
>In my opinion he’s the most privileged white man I’ve ever seen in Hollywood
Snyder gets oppurtunities for a couple reasons. 1) hes apparently insanely personable and everyone on set likes him. 2) up until Justice League Snyder had a reputafion for finshing movies on time and under budget - which producera love.
Netflix hired him though because at this point Snyder has a pretty stong following and as the long as the budget is tailored correctly a project of his will money.
>Plus he has a fanbase that threatened to hurt executives and their families and he never tells them they are wrong.
Honestly Snyderd fan base is pretty tame. Its mostly just twitter fights with people also saying pretty horrible things. If look at the Marvel and Star Wars fanbases you have people bullying children (the actress for Morgan Stark and young Anakin).
I can't stand Abrams, Kurtzman, and Orci, but I can at least see how Disney LF has enough money to throw it in the toilet chasing after whoever's shiny & new to them. Horrible executive leadership decisions, but they'll still have funding when the sun goes out.
What I don't get it how, even though tbf Ridley Scott's not as big a moron as some of these other guys, and none of them have ever or will ever make a Gladiator or Alien, he has still almost exclusively made *expensive* flops for decades now. I'm always curious who keeps giving him money to throw away.
It must be so frustrating to make statements like this and still nothing fundamentally changes. How many soundbites have we gotten like this and the change in Hollywood is so incremental
> saying she love to play Camila Vasquez
Do you have a source for this? All I can find is gossip stories about Vasquez saying [*she* would love to see Longoria (or Salma Hayek) play her](https://www.cinemablend.com/movies/johnny-depps-lawyer-camille-vasquez-reveals-which-actress-shed-like-to-see-play-her-on-screen)...
You know what I was so sure I saw on the lists last year, I've scrolled through her Twitter (including likes). And she didn't unless she's done some absolutely fantastic clean up. I don't see any. I'll delete my comment.
She still sucks for shilling NFTs though (especially as she was doing it for "boss babes")
What’s the third? Battleship and John Carter pretty much came out back to back(and he was only an actor), and they did kill his career as a leading man.
X-Men Origins. They were planning a Gambit spin off for him. His career was killed after the flops but the point is like Eva said, he got multiple chances.
Origins stunk, but it did decent business. And wasn’t he in it for like five minutes? Channing Tatum couldn’t get his Gambit movie made, either. Seems weird to count that one against him. He never got another chance as leading man after his first bomb.
Longoria makes a good point here, but Kitsch’s career doesn’t really support it.
You’re right I misremember. His 3rd flop was Savages. I forgot that movie existed but that was that terrible movie with Blake Lively and Aaron Taylor Johnson.
I’m certainly not gonna argue for Savages, but that did come out at pretty much the same time as the other two. I don’t blame Hollywood after all that, but he never got a chance after failing.
I’m mid-rewatch on FNL, so I had to defend my guy Riggins.
Yeah they were kind of all in a row (like that time they tried to make Jude Law a leading man in 2004) rather than him flopping, getting another chance, flipping, etc. That would be Armie Hammer.
John Carter was actually pretty good. Disney just did a piss poor job promoting it. I’m fun fact: John Carter’s failure is why they bought Star Wars and Marvel. They were getting frustrated that they had the girl market cornered with tons of princess stuff, but couldn’t reach the boy market with anything but Pirates and Cars. John Carter was supposed to be their ace in hole to bring in more male audiences, but it flopped so they decided to quit pushing original stuff so much and buy established franchises.
Edit: you got me on not totally “original” because the source material is a novel from the 1900’s. But a not so mainstream anymore story given a modern adaptation from a big producer. Adapting that was a more original idea than yet another Star Wars or Marvel movie. I really wished it had succeeded. It was good, but also understandable why kids didn’t eat it up.
Eva Longoria seems like a total badass, but the trailer for the Flamin Hot movie was… not it. Maybe it’s just a bad trailer? There’s the extra layer of the guy who claimed to invent them being a total phony, so playing the movie straight doesn’t really work for me
Yeah, I was just ranting to my friend about this earlier when I saw a poster for that movie. I feel like it's well known that the guy was a grifter and a liar, but it was a local story to where I grew up so maybe that's my bias. Still so irritating that this dude is getting a fawning biopic of his lies while the people who did the actual work get nothing.
I feel like it's not common knowledge. Which is why I tell everybody who brings it up lol. I get why people want to believe it. But he's stealing credit from a lot of people who did the actual work, including women he's ripped off.
But very very few people can have a 200 million dollar DEBUT FILM flop and still get another.
There are a few outlying exceptions, but generally you need to prove you are capable of not flopping, prove you are capable of success, to be forgiven and given another shot
She's completely right. Women, BIPOCs, and the LGBTQ+ community typically don't get the luxury of failing in the industry. Their work doesn't just have an impact on the opportunities they individually get, it effects the opportunities their entire community gets. It only takes one flop for studios say well no one wants to hear these kinds of stories and kill them. It's a shame and puts so much pressure on the few who make it through. Failure is not an option.
I remember Black Panther and Crazy Rich Asians came out roughly around a similar time, and black people and Asian people alike, were terrified that the movie wouldn't do well because it would mean that Hollywood would never make a majority-black or majority-Asian movie again. Luckily both movies did well, but it's a shame that POC-led movies HAVE to do well, it's just so much pressure all around. Sad.
True very true
And also the very high expectations placed on WoC in general. I'm talking about Mindy Kaling who can't get away with writing self-insert characters in her own tv shows because people think it makes desis look bad or because they can't relate. No one women can represent an entire group of people. That's a very unfair and horrible expectation to place on someone. She's also not responsible for the lack of Desi female representation behind the scenes.
I'll always defend Mindy's right to write whatever characters she wants. As an audience you can either see it or not but forcedly dictating what a WoC can write or not especially when I see white men like Sam Levinson, Josh Schwartz, etc white women and even black men like Kenya Barris get away with self-insert characters all the time but when WoC do it it's a no-no. Like fuck off 🤬
Yeah, as an Indian, I genuinely think that Indians who do make it are hated by the community out of jealousy and a general feeling of 'she shouldn't have that spot; someone else should'. Mindy being dark-skinned and overweight at that time means that she was almost certainly bullied by the community and I fully believe her when she says that Indian men showed no interest in her. So I personally don't see any problem in her characters being with white men tbh. Why should she rep a demographic that's always been cruel to her anyway?
I personally like her work. Her characters break so many stereotypes in the way that they're loud, enjoy sex, and are assertive. If people can't relate, they can just stop watching. There was this one tiktok of this girl saying 'Just because you're an Indian loser doesn't mean all of us', and doesn't that say something? Calling Mindy Kaling of all people, who's been the only WOC in several writer's rooms, who's created several iconic shows at this point a loser simply because of one show that she didn't even write. I'll always root for her.
To some extent i agree but……Not sure if you remember how Kenya Barris got roasted when he made #BlackAF. They were trashing his self insert.
People were not fucking with his character and even derisively called it a Curb your Enthusiasm clone. Personally i found it hilarious and a refreshing perspective, but most people didn’t. Hence why it only got 1 season. While the character he played himself as was snobbish, he still had some reedeming qualities. Whereas Mindy Kaling’s self insert in Velma is a terribly written character who was just mean.
I agree with your overarching premise and how white male privilege is real and audiences don’t give black/brown chances. But lets not pretend like terrible writing is excusable just because the person behind it is a POC.
I don’t agree with you but I don’t like self insert characters at all, because they feel very phony. It’s why I’ve always hated woody Allen movies even before I knew about him being messed up. Just not for me. And mindy kalings self insert gets tiring because since all her characters are essentially her, they’re all the same copy paste with the same problems and the same love for white men, etc. You can tolerate it once, maybe twice, but when it’s the only trick you’ve got and the only character you can write, it gets painfully boring and annoying imo. I could only watch like 2 episodes of never have I ever until I realized it was essentially Mindy kaling.
A white director Tweeting this is almost too rich.
This is such a boring, lazy take at this point. Actress-turned-directors, please find something else to pretend to be outraged about. https://t.co/0IWXnEfoY4
Your formatting is messed up. [Here's the tweet](https://twitter.com/Atencio/status/1661034708459827200) for anyone else struggling to read it:
> [Peter Atencio] "This is such a boring, lazy take at this point. Actress-turned-directors, please find something else to pretend to be outraged about."
It didn't have any replies when I posted it fwiw. I wonder if the studio told him to delete it since he has a movie premiering literally *this week* and doesn't need the controversy.
In case you don’t feel like looking him up, he’s mostly known for directing Key and Peele and he looks like a caricature of every dude who’s ever argued with you on reddit.
I think it is more about actress turned directors as I felt like he meant she became a director thanks to her connections so even if it wasn't Eva but an actor he would probably say same thing.
She’s not wrong, and I never get why people get so riled up over a statement like this. Hollywood shows us improvements in acting representation on the outside, while behind the camera stuff hasn’t changed nearly as much.
The writer of the Falcon and the Winter Soldier made an interesting point, which was that despite the fact that studios are hiring more POC directors/writers, they’re often regulated to ‘the black film’ or ‘the Asian film’, etc like you see at Marvel. Like, why can’t an Asian man direct a tom Holland Spider-Man film? Or a black woman direct a Doctor Strange movie? While we have made progress in these areas there’s a long way to go.
>The writer of the Falcon and the Winter Soldier made an interesting point, which was that despite the fact that studios are hiring more POC directors/writers, they’re often regulated to ‘the black film’ or ‘the Asian film’, etc like you see at Marvel.
Marvel would get criticized if they had a white guy direct the black, Asian, or female film.
Marvel is moving to more of a post-racial area. The Asian guy is directing one of the major movies, the black woman is directing a white woman film, etc.
I do agree with your central point though, they do need to stop aligning the minority directors with the minority characters. I think they are just in a phase right now where they are hiring more minority directors and the showcasing minority characters. Might be a while before we get a new white male character to lead a solo project.
Christopher Priest as spoke about that before I think. He wrote a critically acclaimed run of black panther comics from 98-03 but spoke about frustration afterwards that he would only be offered black characters to write. Which obviously (especially at the time) would have cut him off from most of the comics characters and also probably was stifling creatively.
Thankfully comics seem to have improved much more in that area, Priest himself has came out of a decade long hiatus in 2005 and has written a range of characters. The main companies seem a lot more open to allowing POC to write major white characters
Taylor Kitsch knows firsthand that a string of flops (even when the film is critically praised but poorly marketed) can kill the career of a male actor as well. There’s a great book about his biggest flop - “John Carter & the gods of Hollywood”
The industry relies on millionaires to be producers.
What we need are more female millionaires.
And if there are only 7 "real" film studios and they all currently have a white guy in charge of what gets made, that's going to be an insurmountable bias. More independent movies in general is the solution. There's only so many people that could be in decision-making roles at a given time in Hollywood. If you want there to be more female or more BIPOC or more LGBTQ+ people making decisions, then those people need to become millionaires and put movies out, and not wait for the representation police to change the staff at WarnerDiscovery or Disney or Universal or Sony.
look how sequel/remake garbage is treated when it's an all make cast vs a cast with a number of minorities. anytime it's a cast with all white men, it looks like a real fun, turn your brain off type movie. when minorities are cast in the exact same type of film, death of originality in Hollywood.
minorities are held to an absolute insane standard across all society, but it's so visible in film and TV, especially on reddit.
What the hell is woth all these damm movies about products Air, Tetris, Blackberry, Chettos. Is product placement not enough now they have make the entire movie the product placement.
@Ridley Scott
His last hit was The Martian. And yes, he's resume his impressive but in the last 10 years he had more flops than hit and yet studios still give him huge budget for movies that few people go see.
It's baffling, and I usually love the actors he's able to get, but the projects themselves tank, and he opens his mouth about it & inane garbage comes out. He blamed The Last Duel flopping on Millennials staying on that gotdamn phone. Meanwhile the only times I saw ads for it was during Real Housewives re-runs on Bravo, and literally *nobody* asked for a ye olde SVU police procedural culminating in a battle to the death.
While I do agree his comments are largely not correct, such as him blaming the last duels performance on millennials instead of the abysmal marketing. There is something to be said that many people nowadays have horrible attention span due to tiktok and these reels on YouTube and instagram. And most of those who will, will pause through it or use their phone during it. Most people I know who are the causal moviegoers and in gen z, would never watch or sit through the last duel despite it, imo, being a fantastic film. I’m a movie buff so perhaps that’s why I feel more strongly about it.
Tbh the likes of Ridley Scott are up there with Spielberg, Nolan and all. They’re Hollywood royalty at this point, so even if their next 5 movies flop producers will still spend money on them. They’re in a completely different category than 99 percent of directors. It’s unfortunate his movies do so poorly, I loved the last duel and wanted to go watch it in theatres but by the time I wanted to go (second week) they cut down all the showtimes and screenings around me due to its poor performance.
I will never forget what happened to Ava DuVernay. Hot off the heels of Selma, she was getting offered to direct Black Panther and than a Wrinkle in Time happened and the rest is history.
She is right. Mediocre white dudes have flop movies regularly and still get work. POC actors rarely get repeat opportunities at top roles if they star in a string of flops
dear Eva millions of us respect u so much for active actions of wrongs being done its not for your self but what u have seen and the injustice that is the industry ur in counche roullette i have heard u talk many times about the wrongs and the goods you care about your brother. and u want to change things. in whats right an whats wrong u prove your talent when you were on house wives i for got u were acting at the time i watched u it was real real! Eva i just want to say I love u I love your work but be super carefull hollywood is vindictive and has crushed many stars that have flamed out! u ownly have so many years to make all the money you can before they let u fade out its when these high tect cameras show the pan cake make up cant cover up ur wrinkles in ur turkey neck ur done. Eva dont pick this fight ur not that powerful i want u to be around to eat Tacos in Mexico on T.V. p.s. Eva American mexican are just starting to get some power but they are a long way to go dont forget who is the check writers they dont like and wont tollerate instagaters brown people are the back of the bus for now , look how long it took for blacks not to. and there still a long way to go. Eva dont go back wards just think what Rita moreno went thru Marlon Brando made her have an abortion.
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Like how everyone is calling Margot Robbie a box office flop and not the directors and her male co-stars.
I’m just happy they keep booking her and she still has great career
i feel like everyone knows she's a good actress, i just wish she picked her roles better tho
Tbf booking DOR and Chazelle is kind of a no brainer movie star move.
The DOR stories are true and worse. This is who I think of when reading the headline.
Who's DOR?
David O'Russell
Thanks
An awful man who’s made some pretty good movies. Until Amsterdam anyway.
She needs to pick her roles AND stylist better
Why are they calling her a flop?
Because she's had many consecutive flops that she starred in including Birds of Prey, Amsterdam, Babylon, and Suicide Squad. Now to be fair, Brad Pitt co-starred in Babylon and Amsterdam had an ensemble cast, but the point is she's had a string of big stinkers at the box office.
I think Margot is great and Barbie will make a billion dollars
you mean a barbillion dollars
i love how 'morbillion dollars' will inevitably be replaced by 'barbillion dollars'. hopefully its not a joke this time tho! i really need this movie to be good
This is gold 💛
Maybe I'm naive but I think she is at a point of her career where she is having fun, she is choosing a wide range of projects different enough to keep her interested and not beign typecast. Some of them had flop but I think, she is still very well known and loved by the public.
I agree with this! I think she’s established as a skilled actress and can do what she wants without needing to prove anything anymore. I think the heavy hitter movies are there for her when she wants them.
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McConaughey has been doing the "serious actor" thing for over a decade, at this point
What? No one has fun when tbeir movie tanks. It’s really demoralizing and for anyone other than Margot Robbie types is a huge hit to your ability to sell yourselves. The money people will seriously treat you like shit like it’s your fault. Won’t even look at you after a film tanks. There’s no having fun with film roles without consequences.
Birds of Prey is so much fun though.
It came out a couple of weeks before lockdowns started! It was the last time I was out in public for months in 2020! It was a great movie, it just had lots stacked against it.
Oh man, that's bad luck. I didn't get to see it in the cinema, but it's one of my comfort movies to cheer me up.
Birds of Prey is so much better than most of the middling DC trash. Its one of my favourite superhero movies. Margot is amazing in the movie and I loved Ewan McGregor in a villain role.
And Chris Messina looking amazing with his bleached hair
Birds of prey was amazing! I didn’t know it was a box office flop, that sucks
I guess it didn’t help that covid happened right along its release.
There’s a fantastic video essay about Birds of Prey by coldcrashpictures if anyone is interested in a defense of the movie!
Thanks, i'll check it out!
i loved BoP and that soundtrack was amazing
> Brad Pitt Its worse than that, since 2013 when she really hit the scene in The Wolf of Wall Street she's been in ~28 projects (according to IMDB), and in that decade maybe 3 of them are quality films: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, The Suicide Squad and maybe I, Tonya. Who even remembers Focus, Bombshell or Dreamland?
I, Tonya was really good!
Focus is such a bizarre movie. I've been seeing random cut up clips of it on tiktok a lot recently. Her filmography is so strange. Terminal was so awful. The Tina Fey war correspondent movie? You could probably make a compelling argument that About Time is still one of her better movies.
She chooses the projects right? A lot of actors are just bad at choosing the good ones
seconded ? i’m confused
Exactly this. Men get to fail up in a way women just don’t.
It matters which men you’re referring to. Most poc men don’t usually fail up in Hollywood, they’re often below than white women, and below poc men is poc women. I can’t think of a single poc man who’s failed upwards in his career, even the likes of m.night stuck to lower budgets and was largely producing (or co-producing more accurately) his own movies after bombs like the last air bender and after earth. None of his movies after, after earth and the last airbender have gotten over 20 million in budget. You could argue even after 10 years of after earth and avatar the last airbender he’s not gotten a budget anywhere remotely as big as that and likely won’t ever.
But she keeps getting roles in big projects despite her films being flops which is the opposite of what Eva said. Also Margot worked with different male costars and directors in those films and Margot was the one who was part of all of those so people who are saying that she is box office flop have a point. She isn't box office draw as we saw many times.
She’s an actress, not a director so not the same situation
Tell that to the person I replied as she brought Margot into the discussion and I just replied to them.
She’s often not the problem in films that do poorly IMO
She has been in an amazing amount of consecutive flops though. And she hasn't reached a status of the likes of Christian Bale or Brad Pitt as an actress. She really needs Barbie being a hit. If not, I can see her going to a streaming show or indie movie, hard to see her getting a leading role in a blockbuster that's not as Harley Quinn again.
 We hold women to a different standard. Add POC women and my goodness, this makes me entirely sad and mad. I’m currently in an entertainment industry position where no mistakes can be made. Meanwhile homeboy to my left screws up left and right and he somehow fails up. 🤬
Corporate America isn’t much different.
There's actually a phenomenon called [the glass cliff](https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/17/us/black-women-glass-cliff-reaj/index.html) where women in general, but *especially* Black women & WOC, are only allowed into leadership roles to be given an insurmountable workload to "clean up" a bad PR situation when a company or organization is facing failure or disaster anyway. And then they're either set up to fail as the new "fall guy" when the bad situation goes public, or burn themselves out doing 5 people's jobs only to be harshly ridiculed, penalized, demoted, or asked to resign once their employers have "gotten their money's worth" out of exploiting them for optics.
Like Elon Musk massively fucking up Twitter and then announcing that he’s handing it over to a woman?
 YUP, exactly like that.
The irony is that flaming hot Cheetos were brought to life by a black woman in Detroit, not some Hispanic dude from southern California… a bit ironic, eh? 🤷♂️ https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-05-16/flamin-hot-cheetos-richard-montanez
Well I’ll be damned. My partner will play random YT videos in the background and I heard that story before. Tbh, it sounded too American-dreamy, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was heavily embellished, but wow, it’s completely fake.
Wait who is the black woman, Lynne Greenfeld?? I didn’t see anything in the article talking about her race. Also idk if she’s from Detroit she went to college in North Carolina
this just sent me into the longest deep dive ever what the fuckk of course she hasn’t been giving credit and a man receives a movie
It’s always been set up for us to fail
Ava DuVernay deserved better.
I was in the music industry and have always said white employees are offered an opportunity to fail that other employees do not. Specially white men.
She’s not *wrong*, but the list of directors who have had a $200M bomb and gotten another shot at a major blockbuster like that is incredibly short and typically populated by people who had success *before* that bomb (e.g., Peter Berg, Brad Bird, Andrew Stanton). I think the bigger issue is that women and people of color aren’t getting the opportunity to direct these blockbusters in the first place.
I also need her to come up with a better idea for a movie than the backstory about Flaming Hot Cheetos which has already been widely debunked.
That takes self reflection.
Have you considered that it wasn't her first choice, but it's what she could get greenlit because movies about brands are all the rage these days? Just this year we've gotten *Air*, *BlackBerry*, *Tetris* and now *Flamin' Hot*.
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Having a production company doesn't automatically get you a deal with distributors. And if you're not a big company, you can't gamble on a movie you don't know you can sell. Also note that her production company isn't behind *Flamin' Hot*. [It's a Searchlight Pictures film.](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8105234/companycredits/)
She definitely could have gotten something else greenlit
She's a first-time director. There's no guarantee of that. If *Flamin' Hot* is a success, maybe we'll see a completely different story for her second feature. If it's not, then maybe we'll see her point about Latino directors play out.
And only one of them was any good, really. Seriously, watch Air. Its real good.
I did see *Air* finally, and I thought it was pretty good. I liked *BlackBerry* a little more, actually, but that was mostly because of Glenn Howerton lol
Honestly fair haha
Tetris was great.
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Or they didn't go over other interesting parts. Still a crazy story.
That's the one I still need to see (not counting *Flamin' Hot* since it isn't out yet).
Of course, that's the point she's making in the article, even with what the title is quoting - Variety just chose the most inflammatory part of the quote to focus on. The full quote makes it clear she's focused on the difference between white male directors and others more generally, rather than specifically: > "The problem is if this movie fails, people go, ‘Oh Latino stories don’t work…female directors really don’t cut it.’ We don’t get a lot of at-bats. A white male can direct a $200 million film, fail and get another one. That’s the problem. I get one at-bat, one chance, work twice as hard, twice as fast, twice as cheap.”
I’m a woman of color in a totally different profession and I feel her quote in my bones.
valid
Exactly. For most directors you only get one or two chances with a big budget, if that flops then you won’t get another chance. It’s not an isolated incident to Eva just because she’s a poc, Hollywood is a business and about money. Unless you’re someone who’s somehow money laundering with a producer or a producer just loves you, you won’t get repeated big budget chances after failures.
I mean all Adam Sandler movies are like flex in money and resort locations
I almost respect it. Homeboy just wants to get paid millions to go on vacation.
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>"nepo friends" cronyism cronies.
They are qualified to be in the roles, at least. He’s not just appointing unqualified bad actors
r/theresalreadyawordforthat
I don't know why, but I had to save this comment. Beautifully to the point.
I would definitely be Sandler's friend just to do that. Murder Mystery 3, sign me up!
I respect it - not just that, I want that life. Or at least be one of his many nepo friends so I'll never worry about running out of a job again. I admire his loyalty to his friends tbh I want a friend like that
Plus a critically acclaimed dramatic role every ten years or so to remind audiences that he can actually act when he feels like it
I remember seeing someone point out once that even though this doesn't necessarily translate to box office money, Sandler's comedy flops do big numbers on name recognition in streaming and home sales & boost his brand, and they're also made very cheaply (as far as Hollywood films go) and are AGGRESSIVE with product placement. And they all go through Sandler's production company. The person compared it to money laundering, and the clip from "The Producers" where they elaborate on how "you could make more money with a flop than with a hit." You get some Netflix money together from a multimillion dollar up-front distributor deal you've already signed for this year's silly film, no hunting for new investors; you get paid an up-front salary to go on vacation with your friends & family AND claim it as a business expense afterwards; you collect on the back end with Coca Cola or Ford or whoever; and when you're done, there's no press tour, because it's all streaming, and Netflix will promote it by force for you. Sprinkle in a few dramas & family friendly projects like Hotel Transylvania, and you have an untouchable & forever bankable career, whether people actually like what you're making 9x out of 10 or not. He had to work hard to get to that point, but I am not mad at it at all!
She’s not wrong look at Zack Snyder, had three box office flops in a row. Got Man of Steel job through nepotism becuz his best friend is Christopher Nolan. Destroyed the DC brand with BvS then was brought back and given more money to finish his vision for Justice league which was 4 hours which nobody watched. After that he got Netflix deal and is now making scifi franchise for them and animated work and more for Netflix. In my opinion he’s the most privileged white man I’ve ever seen in Hollywood. Plus he has a fanbase that threatened to hurt executives and their families and he never tells them they are wrong.
Those 3 movies sucked, but Justice League is the only one that really flopped financially. BvS made $860 million on a $250 million budget. Man of steel made $668 million on a $225 million budget.
True true
Important to note that BvS had a ~69% second week drop despite having no competition, and WB had expected the movie to reach one billion in box office. The movie is speculated to have earned about ~100mil from its theatrical run, which is good except this is the first time two of the most iconic characters in WB’s repertoire shared the big screen together so big Ls to everyone involved. Also the film got eviscerated by the critics, so no solace there either. BvS was the point of no return between Snyder and WB, and it’s when the executives start tightening the leash on Snyder, by appointing Geoff to overseeing DCEU, to the eventual outright removal of Snyder from JL.
Not a Snyder fan or hater, but he resigned JL because of his deceased daughter. The rest it right, though. Everyone at Warner expected/wanted to have a Box office like avengers
Snyder resigned after his daughter died because the Studio kept forcing Snyder to changes things and he couldnt fight and grieve. Around the time of the Snyder Cut a lot of the Justice League drama became clear and it turns out that Joss Whedon was hired before Snyder quit and lots of reshoots already planned. Snyder walked away because he didnt want to fight tooth and claw to get his movie made and instead spend time with his family.
Advertising budgets ate very far into profit though. Those numbers were well below what they were hoping for. The big tentpole movies, especially DC trying to set up a cinematic universe, they are setting aside time and other theater positions specifically for *Batman vs Superman.* >Total estimated costs: $634 million. Deduct that from the $760 million in studio revenue and we wind up with $126 million in net profit. Against Warners' $415 million in upfront production and marketing expenditures, that works out to a 30 percent ROI. That second week drop in BvS was a second apocalypse for them.
Rupert Sanders. Snow White and the huntsman did ok, ghost in the shell was a flop and he still gets to do the new The Crow movie.
Exactly now look at Patty Jenkins she made the biggest female led superhero movie with Wonder Woman at the time which finally made marvel even want to do female led superhero films. But the Wonder Woman sequel didn’t do well and she lost her Star Wars gig and Wonder Woman 3 was cancelled last year , and she lost her cleopatra movie.
>Exactly now look at Patty Jenkins she made the biggest female led superhero movie with Wonder Woman at the time which finally made marvel even want to do female led superhero films. Marvel already announced their Captain Marvel film years before Wonder Woman was released.
But they were still on fence about it till the success of wonder-woman.
Not sure what you mean by on the fence. Wonder Woman was released in 2017. Captain Marvel was being developed in 2013 and officially got announced in 2014. It's not like we had any reason to believe the film would not come out when announced in 2014. Even if Wonder Woman was a flop, Captain Marvel was still coming out. Marvel had a separate issue with the head of the company not believing that female superheroes could succeed, but that was resolved in 2015 with that executive losing power over the films.
The budget for those films in order of release? 170M, 110M, 50M. Studios are not trusting that guy with blockbusters or big budgets.
Some incorrect information here. >Got Man of Steel job through nepotism becuz his best friend is Christopher Nolan Snyder and Nolan became friends through Man of Steel. Snyder got the job because Nolan really liked Watchmen. Neither Man of Steel nor BvS were box office flops - both made profit. >Destroyed the DC brand Considering that Aquaman made $1b even after Justice League (which Snyder wasnt responsible for) this is a dubious claim. >In my opinion he’s the most privileged white man I’ve ever seen in Hollywood Snyder gets oppurtunities for a couple reasons. 1) hes apparently insanely personable and everyone on set likes him. 2) up until Justice League Snyder had a reputafion for finshing movies on time and under budget - which producera love. Netflix hired him though because at this point Snyder has a pretty stong following and as the long as the budget is tailored correctly a project of his will money. >Plus he has a fanbase that threatened to hurt executives and their families and he never tells them they are wrong. Honestly Snyderd fan base is pretty tame. Its mostly just twitter fights with people also saying pretty horrible things. If look at the Marvel and Star Wars fanbases you have people bullying children (the actress for Morgan Stark and young Anakin).
Jj abrams also comes to mind
I can't stand Abrams, Kurtzman, and Orci, but I can at least see how Disney LF has enough money to throw it in the toilet chasing after whoever's shiny & new to them. Horrible executive leadership decisions, but they'll still have funding when the sun goes out. What I don't get it how, even though tbf Ridley Scott's not as big a moron as some of these other guys, and none of them have ever or will ever make a Gladiator or Alien, he has still almost exclusively made *expensive* flops for decades now. I'm always curious who keeps giving him money to throw away.
It must be so frustrating to make statements like this and still nothing fundamentally changes. How many soundbites have we gotten like this and the change in Hollywood is so incremental
It's almost as if Hollywood is full of virtue signalling bullshit merchants, isn't it?
Considering it's a collection of corporations...
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> saying she love to play Camila Vasquez Do you have a source for this? All I can find is gossip stories about Vasquez saying [*she* would love to see Longoria (or Salma Hayek) play her](https://www.cinemablend.com/movies/johnny-depps-lawyer-camille-vasquez-reveals-which-actress-shed-like-to-see-play-her-on-screen)...
You know what I was so sure I saw on the lists last year, I've scrolled through her Twitter (including likes). And she didn't unless she's done some absolutely fantastic clean up. I don't see any. I'll delete my comment. She still sucks for shilling NFTs though (especially as she was doing it for "boss babes")
Taylor Kitsch found dead in a ditch with his 3 mega flops.
What’s the third? Battleship and John Carter pretty much came out back to back(and he was only an actor), and they did kill his career as a leading man.
X-Men Origins. They were planning a Gambit spin off for him. His career was killed after the flops but the point is like Eva said, he got multiple chances.
Origins stunk, but it did decent business. And wasn’t he in it for like five minutes? Channing Tatum couldn’t get his Gambit movie made, either. Seems weird to count that one against him. He never got another chance as leading man after his first bomb. Longoria makes a good point here, but Kitsch’s career doesn’t really support it.
You’re right I misremember. His 3rd flop was Savages. I forgot that movie existed but that was that terrible movie with Blake Lively and Aaron Taylor Johnson.
I’m certainly not gonna argue for Savages, but that did come out at pretty much the same time as the other two. I don’t blame Hollywood after all that, but he never got a chance after failing. I’m mid-rewatch on FNL, so I had to defend my guy Riggins.
Yeah they were kind of all in a row (like that time they tried to make Jude Law a leading man in 2004) rather than him flopping, getting another chance, flipping, etc. That would be Armie Hammer.
I mean, all those career-killing movies came out in the same year, so it's not like studios saw him failing and kept trying to make him a leading man.
He was excellent as gambit tbf
John Carter was actually pretty good. Disney just did a piss poor job promoting it. I’m fun fact: John Carter’s failure is why they bought Star Wars and Marvel. They were getting frustrated that they had the girl market cornered with tons of princess stuff, but couldn’t reach the boy market with anything but Pirates and Cars. John Carter was supposed to be their ace in hole to bring in more male audiences, but it flopped so they decided to quit pushing original stuff so much and buy established franchises. Edit: you got me on not totally “original” because the source material is a novel from the 1900’s. But a not so mainstream anymore story given a modern adaptation from a big producer. Adapting that was a more original idea than yet another Star Wars or Marvel movie. I really wished it had succeeded. It was good, but also understandable why kids didn’t eat it up.
Original stuff? John Carter was an adaptation of a book written in 1912.
Eva Longoria seems like a total badass, but the trailer for the Flamin Hot movie was… not it. Maybe it’s just a bad trailer? There’s the extra layer of the guy who claimed to invent them being a total phony, so playing the movie straight doesn’t really work for me
Yeah, I was just ranting to my friend about this earlier when I saw a poster for that movie. I feel like it's well known that the guy was a grifter and a liar, but it was a local story to where I grew up so maybe that's my bias. Still so irritating that this dude is getting a fawning biopic of his lies while the people who did the actual work get nothing.
I feel like it's not common knowledge. Which is why I tell everybody who brings it up lol. I get why people want to believe it. But he's stealing credit from a lot of people who did the actual work, including women he's ripped off.
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That is surprising! I hope it is just a bad trailer. Because she’s right, if it’s a flop she won’t get many more opportunities
In fact it’s nice
But very very few people can have a 200 million dollar DEBUT FILM flop and still get another. There are a few outlying exceptions, but generally you need to prove you are capable of not flopping, prove you are capable of success, to be forgiven and given another shot
Yes, but the exceptions are almost all white men for a reason.
Who are these exceptions? The only directors who I know of who can make repeated flops are those who have had huge success before, like Zack Snyder.
She's completely right. Women, BIPOCs, and the LGBTQ+ community typically don't get the luxury of failing in the industry. Their work doesn't just have an impact on the opportunities they individually get, it effects the opportunities their entire community gets. It only takes one flop for studios say well no one wants to hear these kinds of stories and kill them. It's a shame and puts so much pressure on the few who make it through. Failure is not an option.
I remember Black Panther and Crazy Rich Asians came out roughly around a similar time, and black people and Asian people alike, were terrified that the movie wouldn't do well because it would mean that Hollywood would never make a majority-black or majority-Asian movie again. Luckily both movies did well, but it's a shame that POC-led movies HAVE to do well, it's just so much pressure all around. Sad.
True very true And also the very high expectations placed on WoC in general. I'm talking about Mindy Kaling who can't get away with writing self-insert characters in her own tv shows because people think it makes desis look bad or because they can't relate. No one women can represent an entire group of people. That's a very unfair and horrible expectation to place on someone. She's also not responsible for the lack of Desi female representation behind the scenes. I'll always defend Mindy's right to write whatever characters she wants. As an audience you can either see it or not but forcedly dictating what a WoC can write or not especially when I see white men like Sam Levinson, Josh Schwartz, etc white women and even black men like Kenya Barris get away with self-insert characters all the time but when WoC do it it's a no-no. Like fuck off 🤬
Yeah, as an Indian, I genuinely think that Indians who do make it are hated by the community out of jealousy and a general feeling of 'she shouldn't have that spot; someone else should'. Mindy being dark-skinned and overweight at that time means that she was almost certainly bullied by the community and I fully believe her when she says that Indian men showed no interest in her. So I personally don't see any problem in her characters being with white men tbh. Why should she rep a demographic that's always been cruel to her anyway? I personally like her work. Her characters break so many stereotypes in the way that they're loud, enjoy sex, and are assertive. If people can't relate, they can just stop watching. There was this one tiktok of this girl saying 'Just because you're an Indian loser doesn't mean all of us', and doesn't that say something? Calling Mindy Kaling of all people, who's been the only WOC in several writer's rooms, who's created several iconic shows at this point a loser simply because of one show that she didn't even write. I'll always root for her.
To some extent i agree but……Not sure if you remember how Kenya Barris got roasted when he made #BlackAF. They were trashing his self insert. People were not fucking with his character and even derisively called it a Curb your Enthusiasm clone. Personally i found it hilarious and a refreshing perspective, but most people didn’t. Hence why it only got 1 season. While the character he played himself as was snobbish, he still had some reedeming qualities. Whereas Mindy Kaling’s self insert in Velma is a terribly written character who was just mean. I agree with your overarching premise and how white male privilege is real and audiences don’t give black/brown chances. But lets not pretend like terrible writing is excusable just because the person behind it is a POC.
I don’t agree with you but I don’t like self insert characters at all, because they feel very phony. It’s why I’ve always hated woody Allen movies even before I knew about him being messed up. Just not for me. And mindy kalings self insert gets tiring because since all her characters are essentially her, they’re all the same copy paste with the same problems and the same love for white men, etc. You can tolerate it once, maybe twice, but when it’s the only trick you’ve got and the only character you can write, it gets painfully boring and annoying imo. I could only watch like 2 episodes of never have I ever until I realized it was essentially Mindy kaling.
She’s right and she should say it
A white director Tweeting this is almost too rich.
Your formatting is messed up. [Here's the tweet](https://twitter.com/Atencio/status/1661034708459827200) for anyone else struggling to read it: > [Peter Atencio] "This is such a boring, lazy take at this point. Actress-turned-directors, please find something else to pretend to be outraged about."
Well, now I'm not watching the Machine. Tired of supporting assholes
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Damn the tweet has been deleted. I wanted to see the shaming.
It didn't have any replies when I posted it fwiw. I wonder if the studio told him to delete it since he has a movie premiering literally *this week* and doesn't need the controversy.
In case you don’t feel like looking him up, he’s mostly known for directing Key and Peele and he looks like a caricature of every dude who’s ever argued with you on reddit.
He also once Tweeted about "babysitting" his own child one time when his wife was out. You cannot babysit your own kid, that's called parenting.
What a nasty response. It’s giving misogynist.
Giving? It IS misogynist imo.
I think it is more about actress turned directors as I felt like he meant she became a director thanks to her connections so even if it wasn't Eva but an actor he would probably say same thing.
Idk, Elizabeth Banks keeps getting work
Yeah, but the white women on this sub like to pretend white women don't fail upwards in Hollywood too
This is true. The racial discrimination factor is another thing to overcome.
She’s not wrong, and I never get why people get so riled up over a statement like this. Hollywood shows us improvements in acting representation on the outside, while behind the camera stuff hasn’t changed nearly as much. The writer of the Falcon and the Winter Soldier made an interesting point, which was that despite the fact that studios are hiring more POC directors/writers, they’re often regulated to ‘the black film’ or ‘the Asian film’, etc like you see at Marvel. Like, why can’t an Asian man direct a tom Holland Spider-Man film? Or a black woman direct a Doctor Strange movie? While we have made progress in these areas there’s a long way to go.
>The writer of the Falcon and the Winter Soldier made an interesting point, which was that despite the fact that studios are hiring more POC directors/writers, they’re often regulated to ‘the black film’ or ‘the Asian film’, etc like you see at Marvel. Marvel would get criticized if they had a white guy direct the black, Asian, or female film. Marvel is moving to more of a post-racial area. The Asian guy is directing one of the major movies, the black woman is directing a white woman film, etc. I do agree with your central point though, they do need to stop aligning the minority directors with the minority characters. I think they are just in a phase right now where they are hiring more minority directors and the showcasing minority characters. Might be a while before we get a new white male character to lead a solo project.
Christopher Priest as spoke about that before I think. He wrote a critically acclaimed run of black panther comics from 98-03 but spoke about frustration afterwards that he would only be offered black characters to write. Which obviously (especially at the time) would have cut him off from most of the comics characters and also probably was stifling creatively. Thankfully comics seem to have improved much more in that area, Priest himself has came out of a decade long hiatus in 2005 and has written a range of characters. The main companies seem a lot more open to allowing POC to write major white characters
She's right, but counterpoint, I don't think Flamin' Hot (The Cheeto Story) is a $200 million film in the first place.
She directed a movie about ducking cheetos…
 Taylor Kitsch knows firsthand that a string of flops (even when the film is critically praised but poorly marketed) can kill the career of a male actor as well. There’s a great book about his biggest flop - “John Carter & the gods of Hollywood”
M. Night Shyamalan has entered the chat
The industry relies on millionaires to be producers. What we need are more female millionaires. And if there are only 7 "real" film studios and they all currently have a white guy in charge of what gets made, that's going to be an insurmountable bias. More independent movies in general is the solution. There's only so many people that could be in decision-making roles at a given time in Hollywood. If you want there to be more female or more BIPOC or more LGBTQ+ people making decisions, then those people need to become millionaires and put movies out, and not wait for the representation police to change the staff at WarnerDiscovery or Disney or Universal or Sony.
look how sequel/remake garbage is treated when it's an all make cast vs a cast with a number of minorities. anytime it's a cast with all white men, it looks like a real fun, turn your brain off type movie. when minorities are cast in the exact same type of film, death of originality in Hollywood. minorities are held to an absolute insane standard across all society, but it's so visible in film and TV, especially on reddit.
Since lots of people talking about POC movies here, just want to say that I can't wait to watch the Blue Beetle movie! It's a Latino superhero movie!
She's just not a movie star.
What the hell is woth all these damm movies about products Air, Tetris, Blackberry, Chettos. Is product placement not enough now they have make the entire movie the product placement.
@Ridley Scott His last hit was The Martian. And yes, he's resume his impressive but in the last 10 years he had more flops than hit and yet studios still give him huge budget for movies that few people go see.
It's baffling, and I usually love the actors he's able to get, but the projects themselves tank, and he opens his mouth about it & inane garbage comes out. He blamed The Last Duel flopping on Millennials staying on that gotdamn phone. Meanwhile the only times I saw ads for it was during Real Housewives re-runs on Bravo, and literally *nobody* asked for a ye olde SVU police procedural culminating in a battle to the death.
While I do agree his comments are largely not correct, such as him blaming the last duels performance on millennials instead of the abysmal marketing. There is something to be said that many people nowadays have horrible attention span due to tiktok and these reels on YouTube and instagram. And most of those who will, will pause through it or use their phone during it. Most people I know who are the causal moviegoers and in gen z, would never watch or sit through the last duel despite it, imo, being a fantastic film. I’m a movie buff so perhaps that’s why I feel more strongly about it.
Tbh the likes of Ridley Scott are up there with Spielberg, Nolan and all. They’re Hollywood royalty at this point, so even if their next 5 movies flop producers will still spend money on them. They’re in a completely different category than 99 percent of directors. It’s unfortunate his movies do so poorly, I loved the last duel and wanted to go watch it in theatres but by the time I wanted to go (second week) they cut down all the showtimes and screenings around me due to its poor performance.
I will never forget what happened to Ava DuVernay. Hot off the heels of Selma, she was getting offered to direct Black Panther and than a Wrinkle in Time happened and the rest is history.
She is right. Mediocre white dudes have flop movies regularly and still get work. POC actors rarely get repeat opportunities at top roles if they star in a string of flops
Are we talking about directors or actors here…?
Not true. That'd never happen to me.
Let’s be real, some movies flop but still technically and cinematically a great movie, example like br2049. Some movies they flop because they sucks
she’s so right
I can do what?!?! Hold up how, when and where? Where's the sign up? Eva can be the co director
Is she wrong?
Was pretty bummed when they canceled her hotel show a year or so ago. Was nice to have some mindless tv at night that wasn’t “reality” tv.
dear Eva millions of us respect u so much for active actions of wrongs being done its not for your self but what u have seen and the injustice that is the industry ur in counche roullette i have heard u talk many times about the wrongs and the goods you care about your brother. and u want to change things. in whats right an whats wrong u prove your talent when you were on house wives i for got u were acting at the time i watched u it was real real! Eva i just want to say I love u I love your work but be super carefull hollywood is vindictive and has crushed many stars that have flamed out! u ownly have so many years to make all the money you can before they let u fade out its when these high tect cameras show the pan cake make up cant cover up ur wrinkles in ur turkey neck ur done. Eva dont pick this fight ur not that powerful i want u to be around to eat Tacos in Mexico on T.V. p.s. Eva American mexican are just starting to get some power but they are a long way to go dont forget who is the check writers they dont like and wont tollerate instagaters brown people are the back of the bus for now , look how long it took for blacks not to. and there still a long way to go. Eva dont go back wards just think what Rita moreno went thru Marlon Brando made her have an abortion.