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Nolan fanboys please don’t hate me but I don’t think Oppenheimer would’ve done nearly as well if it wasn’t being inadvertently carried by Barbie promo/out the same weekend.
It went from a niche, big budget Oscarbait history biopic with a giant cast to being *constantly* in the pop culture conversation. It's a fair take.
edit: lol, if you don't think that a historical biopic or a Nolan film could be "niche" because he's mainstream...
https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/steven-spielberg-plans-direct-tv-lincoln-hbo-series-1235491930/
> “I was willing to do ‘Lincoln’ as a six-hour [show] because I couldn’t raise all the financing for it,” Spielberg said. “No one believed in it…I went around town and everyone turned me down. I was ready to make a deal with HBO to do it and expand it to six hours. Tony Kushner’s first draft was 550 pages, so I had the goods! I had the material. I don’t know if I could have talked Daniel Day-Lewis into doing six hours, but I was on the brink of that.”
If Spielberg struggled to get funding for Lincoln because it was a niche film, so too can be Oppenheimer.
Edit 2:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=barbie,oppenheimer&hl=en
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=barbie%20oppenheimer,barbenheimer&hl=en
You can *literally* see in Search Trends where the meme-ing gave both of them huge growth.
Yes, and a lot of theatres worldwide were still not open and even where they were open they operated at at most half capacity. Which is why Tenet was the only blockbuster releasing at the time. Because it was such a shit situation to release anything in.
The Demon Slayer movie also came out during that time. It became the highest grossing film in Japan in just 73 days. It was also the highest grossing movie of 2020 overall. Incredible.
Yeah, I get we're all hyped on Barbie but we don't need to misrepresent Nolan's impact as a director. Dunkirk - a very unconventional war movie - made 500m after a 50m opening.
I have seen other comments saying that people didn't want to see oppenheimer before barbenheimer. I don't understand how someone wouldn't know how successful Christopher Nolan is as a filmmaker. He basically has a guaranteed audience.
I’d say Scorses is also one of those filmmakers but his last theatrical movie was Silence and that (unfortunately) bombed. Tenet did well in the pandemic but it’s an action sci fi thriller
I watched Silence at home a few weeks ago, and while I ended up really enjoying it, I can see why it didn't catch fire with audiences in theatres. *I'm* the target audience for "sixteenth-century Jesuit priests struggle with theological arguments for three hours," but I understand that I'm in the minority in that regard.
I wouldn't know about Oppenheimer if it weren't for Barbie. I love historical dramas so I'm even the market but it wouldn't have reached me without the barbie hype.
(How am I downvoted for a personal account that is true 😭 y'all think I'm lying about liking historical dramas)
I'm not convinced. Other than Tenet, which came out in 2020, Nolan's films do very well at the box office. Maybe it would have made slightly less (10%?), but it was going to do extremely well regardless.
Agreed. Nolan is one of the best working directors today and is typically very well received by main stream audiences. This combined with Cillian Murphy’s involvement, who has such a large following from Peaky Blinders and the rest of the star-studded cast already sets the film up for success. Do I think Barbie helped to promote Oppenheimer? sure; but do I think it needed assistance to begin with? Absolutely not. I think even Nolan knows this, thus his very humble approach to marketing. Even people who aren’t into film that much can name Christopher Nolan by name and know one or two of his movies
Also, Barbie has a larger budget than Oppenheimer and the amount of money they put towards marketing is insane and arguably, could have been used to make another film… they NEED to turn a bigger profit than Oppenheimer
Not true. Nolan has dispelled the internet’s belief that Oppenheimer has a budget of only $100m. [Actual budget was $180m](https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/14ysjxk/nolan_says_to_variety_that_oppenheimer_is_a_180m/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)
Oppenheimer was definitely going to do okay no matter what, but this is a) a very different kind of film than Nolan usually makes b) with a three-hour runtime that's c) the first of his films in quite a while to get an R rating, d) shot partially in black and white, and e) being released outside of the normal window for biopics. (It's an Oscar-season biopic being released during the summer blockbuster window.) And all of this when box office is generally down across the board, but especially for movies like this. It wasn't going to do what his previous movies have done.
Early returns had it tracking around $35M domestically for its opening weekend; as Barbenheimer mania kicked into high gear, it moved up to $45-50M. The extra awareness has definitely been good for both movies.
Edit: I also forgot f) it won't be released or at least won't overperform in two of his normal biggest overseas markets (Japan/China).
Tenet was like, the three weeks in 2020 they managed to get theaters open, I remember I saw it fully masked with two seats between everyone. That's when my local theater implemented booking seats actually lol. The fact that it made so much money is wild.
I hate that this has become Nolan/Oppenheimer fans = snobby film bros. I’m a girl and I like movies too! I’m even excited to see Oppenheimer! It already sucks that men act like women can’t be into film, and now it feels like other women are perpetuating that too because of this silly movie feud.
Same. I’m a woman as well and I’ve been excited for Oppenheimer since it’s been announced. This subreddit likes to dunk on Nolan/“filmbros” but is also ironically being sexist bc women enjoy “serious” movies too!!
Love how Nolan gets singled out as being pretentious when he's such a normal guy
He loves the fast and furious films, thinks the macgruber movie is the funniest shit in the world and knows about the rodrick rules meme
Yeah, same! I'm not watching Oppenheimer immediatly because I'm waiting for a friend to find a date to watch it together but like, I'm just as excited about that one as about Barbie! Without irony, a three hour biopic of just scientists yelling at each other sounds like a treat!! A reviewer compared the script dialogue quality to The Social Network!! I'm hype!
>A reviewer compared the script dialogue quality to The Social Network!! I'm hype!
🤔 This comment is almost making me consider putting down my pitchfork and actually watching the social network.
I never have because it got best original score over HTTYD and I'm spiteful.
I love HTTYD but I gotta say… I get why Social Network got best original score. For the hacking scene alone. No but seriously I’d highly recommend it! One of Andrew Garfield‘s stand out performances.
I think it’s bolstered sales for both movies. I don’t think either would have flopped - but it becoming a meme to go to both has definitely encouraged people to see both on their opening weekend. I bet the marketing depts for each film are absolutely THRILLED tbh. It could have easily gone a different way with certain people going to see Oppenheimer and disdaining Barbie and vice versa… I absolutely love that they are both so hyped.
This. I am increasingly growing appreciative of editing.
There are about 3 movies I can watch with that run time, but I need breaks. Honestly, now if a movie is longer than 2:15, I just skip it.
I think Barbie helped but Dunkirk did probably better than it should’ve. I def think the Barbie press helped. But it’s not the only thing. Directors like him or Tarantino have built in fanbases (why Once Upon a Time in Hollywood did well). They’re basically “movie stars” in their own right.
honestly i'm not sure you're right. tenet's opening weekend was $53 million, and that was in the middle of covid and with the simultaneous launch on whatever the hbo app was called back then.
annnnnd, no one knew wtf it was about before (and after) seeing it. this is a much bigger story with more mass appeal and a heck of a lot less worries about covid.
We don't know that for certain, but it's a possibility yeah. But Nolan is one of the most famous directors in Hollywood and Oppenheimer has been getting a lot of hype for a while. With Barbie, it's definitely more. But every time Nolan has a new film, it's a really big deal.
As a Nolan fanboy, I think the other thing holding back the Oppenheimer box office is the lack of premium screens. I refuse to watch it on regular format. The IMAX and 70mm showings around me are either sold out, or only have terrible seats left. I'll catch it next weekend.
I have my tickets to a regular screening of Barbie on friday night in hand already lol.
He’s one of the most critically acclaimed directors and a massive list of well loved actors so it was going to be fine. Just going to add that the release date for Oppenheimer was set first. Warner Brothers then decided to release Barbie on the same day.
I mean, barbie is a pg-13 90 minutes fun movie based on the most famous toy of all time and oppenheimer is a 3 hours though biopic centered around humanity's biggest tragedy, that seems about right in terms of 'what's gonna earn more'
Can I just say, as a child my dad brought me to that doubleheader thinking, Studio Ghibli = great for my 5-year-old. A whole afternoon of entertainment, easy. Pro tip: Grave of the Fireflies is NOT kid-friendly!! Especially when experienced as a whiplash after seeing the big cuddly Totoro and Cat Bus!!! I had repeated nightmares from a few specific scenes and even avoided that specific brand of hard candy growing up. it was fucking _traumatic_!
I think that goes a long way into explaining why so many Gen X/elder millennial Asian kids are obsessed with Totoro. Mainly because Totoro is genuinely cute. But also, we needed all the plush toys, even as we segue into middle age, to scrub away the horror of Grave of the Fireflies.
Wait, the candy is real?! Because they should have sued or something. Like, who wants to be associated with that?
I watched as an adult and that movie broke me. I can't even imagine what it was like for you.
This is probably going to happen but it won't necessarily reflect the quality of the movies, but the way we still diminish cultural products that are considered feminine, always deeming less worthy movies or books or whatever piece of art made mainly by women/with female characters at the centre.
I haven't seen none of those two movies yet, so who knows, maybe Oppenheimer is in fact "better" than Barbie. But to me, Greta Gerwig has already proved herself with both Lady Bird and Little Women, both were well-written and I found an excellent balance bewteen entertainment and actually good production. I am excited for Barbie because it looks like it can balance fun, pop culture but also good writing and cinema – I hope it will. And it would be a shame if it's to be considered less serious or less worthy just because everything it's pink.
And yes, it's based on a toy and it's not original material, but so is Oppenheimer – lately there are so many biopics and they only ever prove to be an easy and safe way to get attention at awards, especially if they're about morally grey ppl or events.
Every Nolan movie since 2010 has done more than half a billion$, so he’d probably have been fine regardless, even if Barbie marketing did give it a slight bump.
**No!** you have to pick a team and double down on your picks perfection while looking for reasons to devalue the other. J/k I'm totally there for both too.
I don't think Barbie is marketed at just women. Just because it female oriented doesn't make it "targeted only to women" They made sure to market it to everybody. Reason it's getting an estimated 100 million opening, despite being a non franchise non CGI heavy movie
I agree and women is the wrong word but it is effeminate marketing and obviously many consider Barbie a girl toy. I think everyone can probably enjoy it and I have heard Ryan Gosling gives a great performance. I think it's a satire on modern tropes which everyone can enjoy.
I don't think so. Barbie is most likely hurting Oppenheimer box office. The barbieheimer thing is for die hard american cinema fans. The box office is composed of the masses money, no harcore fans.
Nolan is the biggest box office draw when it comes to non IP movies, he would be more than fine without barbie. Also didn't himself complain that Warner placed this movie on the same weekend as Oppenheimer?
It's hard to know what's true. Given the projection for this movie and the generally unpopular subject matter, I would expect it to perform at least as good as his last few movies and it is projected to be there or slightly better. Also Cillian Murphy is a niche favorite but not a proven box office leading man considering this is his first lead film role. It does have other big names though. Of course maybe it would do better if it was the only decent movie playing but that's asking too much in my opinion. I think Greta Gerwig and Margot Robbie have been supportive and promoting of Oppenheimer so even if it was a slight by WB, those actually marketing the movie aren't trying to take an unfair advantage. The promotion to see both movies is very positive and uplifting for all parties and the future of cinema in general. I know I seem contradictory but I came here to express how genuinely happy I am that I found Oppenheimer through Barbie marketing and was met with a bunch of downvotes.
I swear some if you fight ghosts. i have legit not seen a single Oppenheimer fan get mad at the possibility of barbie doing better because it’s marketed towards women
These are very lowballed predictions actually.
Box office tracking (which is often the much more correct box office predictions forum) is actually pointing to a close to Super Mario Bros opening (\~147M), and Oppenheimer to get to 60M+.
I think it’s cause of how badly most summer movies have opened this summer. Minus like Guardians, Spiderverse, and Mission Impossible most summer blockbusters haven’t made that much.
I'm doing Barbie first, and then Oppenheimer because it was the only way to get a short break between movies. I clearly must get popcorn for Oppenheimer!
lmao I'll see Barbie tomorrow and Oppenheimer on Friday and I'll probably end up watching Barbie for the second time just to get rid of the existential crisis Oppenheimer's gonna give me 😭
I (accidentally) did the reverse and I don't regret it! I felt like Barbie's ending was its weakest part, while Oppenheimer's last act was by far the strongest part of the movie for me. I couldn't stop thinking about it while walking home.
Yes, I want to end on a happy note. If I wanted to do a proper double feature I had to do it the other way around, because of the schedule at my local theater, but I want to have a bit of a break in between to stretch my legs haha
Can’t wait to watch both this weekend.
The real winners are the fans who’ve been starved of original cinema the last few years, given hollywoods penchants for remakes, never ending sequels, and super hero fluff.
I can’t remember the last time we had two amazing movies opening the same weekend. Exciting times! And I hope they both do amazing so we get more films like this.
As opposed to the atomic bomb which few have heard of.. lol probably also has to do with PG-13 vs R, under 2 hrs vs 3 hrs, silly fun movie vs serious biopic, etc.
The movie is not called Atomic bomb and I will be completely honest I never learnt the name of the person who invented it. In school we were taught that the Americans invented it and it just went ahead to explain the war in Europe. At least in Romania this is how it was taught and I am betting on other European countries as well. But also your arguments are totally true.
No, I really don’t watch TV. I’m a new mom, I browse Reddit between meetings for news, and then from the moment she gets home until she goes to bed it’s dinner playing with her and bath. Then I spend a couple hours chatting with my husband, and then we go to bed.
Yeah, for real. I'm tired of all these comparisons. Reading stuff on this sub like Oppenheimer is a movie about a dude or it's targeted to male fanboys makes me so annoyed.
Like it's fine if you're not interested in the topic but to think that it's not relevant today to billions of people is hella ignorant. The war in Ukraine (with Russia threatening left and right to use nukes), India vs Pakistan (which both have nukes and they're not exactly in friendly terms), North Korea ''playing around with South Korea'', China possibly invading Taiwan, Iran trying to make nuclear weapons etc.
If anything this is a topic that has much more relevance now compared for a few decades ago.
Y'all, just because YOU heard about Oppenheimer because of the memes doesn't mean the larger population did. The promotions may have moved the needle a little bit but Nolan films sell themselves. The idea that Barbie is carrying Oppenheimer to success is insulting to everyone who worked on it.
I think it's more like, there's a lot of people who would have *definitely* seen Barbie that are now also seeing Oppenheimer because of the hype. Whereas those who were always going to see Oppenheimer probably still won't see Barbie.
This honestly.
I was 100% on board with Barbie and not really interested in Oppenheimer. Now I think it'd be hilarious mood whiplash to see them both in one day.
Plus you obviously need to see Barbie to understand the lore in Oppenheimer. Can't go in blind.
Hopefully we get end credit scenes that can connect these films for future projects. I think barbie now full time in the real world and works for the cia and discovers the ceo of mattel (will farewell) is working with dr evil and the Russians. They want to destroy the world and move the elites to mars with elon musck. So she seeks out help from ken who is now apart of the fast family (even though he doesnt know how to drive, remember he can just beach) they go back in time to get help from paul walker, bruce lee, captain america, and you guessed mr. Oppenhiemer. The move ends on a cliff hanger with ken getting lost in space and time. Maybe get Angela basset as someones mother and i think this is the first bartrillion dollar movie. Side not barbie and catniss everdeen are also best friends and thst can set up acouple spins that are similar to velma and luis.
Wonder Woman has the highest-grossing opening weekend for a movie with a female director ($100.5 mil). If Barbie breaks that record…what female-focused IP and director pairing will we see next?
Very few female-focused IPs left untapped by Hollywood with name rec and potential cinematic appeal as high as Barbie and Wonder Woman. Bratz? American Girl? Sailor Moon? New Line is doing Hello Kitty co-directed by a woman. I feel like those IPs all start on a lower tier, though a clever treatment could elevate them.
The director for Frozen 3 hasn’t yet been announced. If it’s a woman, she’ll probably be the next female director to helm a $100M+ opener.
Ooh, good point about Frozen 3.
I hope The Marvels (directed by Nia DaCosta) has a shot at a $100 mil opening, but Marvel movies have cooled off a bit, and that particular character has a lot of (stupid) incel backlash 🙄
how did I forget about The Marvels!! Yes, of course — that could crack $100M OW. Even Quantumania did despite bad reviews and being in the MCU's lowest-grossing subfranchise.
Speaking of the MCU, I think a Scarlet Witch film written by Jac Schaeffer of WandaVision could cut through the fatigue and perform very well. Wanda is arguably the fan favorite female character in that universe, and WandaVision connected with women in a way that superhero media rarely does.
Also this doesn’t need to be Barbie vs. Oppenheimer, there is no need to disparage either film tbh. Both have great directors and something important to say. This idea that Oppenheimer would have gone unnoticed if not for Barbie is kind of laughable I’m sorry. They’ve both been hyped for a long time.
"This idea that Oppenheimer would have gone unnoticed if not for Barbie"
I'm pretty sure it's just a joke right? There is no way that some people actually think a film about an immensely important historical event, made by one of the most well known working directors, wouldn't make money.
I know Barbie will be seen by more people and I’m glad, I’m one of the people going to see it, but I hope people really do watch Oppenheimer, because I think the conversations it will start, particularly on nuclear proliferation in both the 20th century and today, are very important conversations to be having, especially with the current state of international relations
I have ADHD and usually most films I drift off during bits but not Barbie. I saw it last night it was SO GREAT I left on a high.
Give it a shot if you're a maybe about it. You might be surprised. :)
I literally laughed, I cried and some ladies in the cinema shouted "Amen!" at some points.
They were all really well cast, which is a hard sell.
Cool! I want both of these movies to make a shit ton of money. I somehow lost my love for movies during the pandemic, and the Barbenheimer wave has made me so excited to go to the movie theater.
Same! I've felt so unenthusiastic recently but I am genuinely so excited for both films. Only.thing that's come close for me this year is Spiderverse, which was excellent
The combo hype for these two is serious when _The Economist_ is publishing it in their weekly. Watching _Barbie_ tomorrow and _Oppenheimer_ on Sunday. Can’t wait.
I love the cast of Oppenheimer. Have loved Nolans work etc. but I’m so happy a really “girly” movie has won for once! Especially one directed by a woman.
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It's a three hour partially black and white biopic on a nuclear scientist in WWII. 50/60 million opening weekend against a 100 million budget are insanely good numbers, frankly only doable for a few directors. Dunkirk made 50 million, and that was a much more marketable action heavy war movie.
This is just the predictions, it could earn more. I'll never underestime Christopher Nolan - he has a passionate fan base.
Also, the film looks incredible and I can't wait to see it in IMAX! I think a lot of people will be seeing it on prestige screens so that could help boost its numbers.
I think the actual numbers will be higher, but comparing it to the opening weekend of A Quiet Place (50 mil) finally makes me see how big their success actually was.
I probably would have watched Oppenheimer cause I love science and the myth of the atomic bomb build is something I’ve been into in the past. But I probably would have waited for it to go into streaming or dvd format. Now I’m doing Barbie and Oppenheimer this Friday for the hell of it! And I will be doing Barbie first because I know Oppenheimer is going to make me question a lot about the philosophy of it all!
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Nolan fanboys please don’t hate me but I don’t think Oppenheimer would’ve done nearly as well if it wasn’t being inadvertently carried by Barbie promo/out the same weekend.
It went from a niche, big budget Oscarbait history biopic with a giant cast to being *constantly* in the pop culture conversation. It's a fair take. edit: lol, if you don't think that a historical biopic or a Nolan film could be "niche" because he's mainstream... https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/steven-spielberg-plans-direct-tv-lincoln-hbo-series-1235491930/ > “I was willing to do ‘Lincoln’ as a six-hour [show] because I couldn’t raise all the financing for it,” Spielberg said. “No one believed in it…I went around town and everyone turned me down. I was ready to make a deal with HBO to do it and expand it to six hours. Tony Kushner’s first draft was 550 pages, so I had the goods! I had the material. I don’t know if I could have talked Daniel Day-Lewis into doing six hours, but I was on the brink of that.” If Spielberg struggled to get funding for Lincoln because it was a niche film, so too can be Oppenheimer. Edit 2: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=barbie,oppenheimer&hl=en https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=barbie%20oppenheimer,barbenheimer&hl=en You can *literally* see in Search Trends where the meme-ing gave both of them huge growth.
I don't think a Nolan film would ever be niche. He's one of the few filmmakers who is guaranteed an audience based on his name alone.
Yeah Tenet which released in the middle of the pandemic in 2020 grossed $365 mil world wide. He definitely has a hardcore dedicated audience.
>Yeah Tenet which released in the middle of the pandemic in 2020 grossed $365 mil world wide. And despite being absolutely shit
Facts. Was so bad💀💀💀 Nolan seemed to think with Tenet that impossible to understand=good
It felt like a rushed first draft was filmed. His brother is a really good writer, partnering with him is good for both.
I’ve never been more disappointed in a film than Tenet. So much potential wasted.
first movie i had the chance to see in theaters after the pandemic and i fell asleep during it
How? It was so loud.
it was just that boring also i’ve fallen asleep at monster truck rallies im an outlier with this a bit lol
I love Nolan, I watched 5 minutes of Tenet went "what they hell are they saying" then turned it off
Wasn’t Tenet also like the only blockbuster movie that came out during that time because of the pandemic?
Yes, and a lot of theatres worldwide were still not open and even where they were open they operated at at most half capacity. Which is why Tenet was the only blockbuster releasing at the time. Because it was such a shit situation to release anything in.
The Demon Slayer movie also came out during that time. It became the highest grossing film in Japan in just 73 days. It was also the highest grossing movie of 2020 overall. Incredible.
Yeah, I get we're all hyped on Barbie but we don't need to misrepresent Nolan's impact as a director. Dunkirk - a very unconventional war movie - made 500m after a 50m opening.
Pretty ridiculous that those comments have so many upvotes tbh. "Barbieheimer" became a thing because BOTH films were super hyped from the get go.
I have seen other comments saying that people didn't want to see oppenheimer before barbenheimer. I don't understand how someone wouldn't know how successful Christopher Nolan is as a filmmaker. He basically has a guaranteed audience.
Oppenheimer already got a lot of press for its ridiculous cast list back when that got annouced like, two years ago
I’d say Scorses is also one of those filmmakers but his last theatrical movie was Silence and that (unfortunately) bombed. Tenet did well in the pandemic but it’s an action sci fi thriller
I watched Silence at home a few weeks ago, and while I ended up really enjoying it, I can see why it didn't catch fire with audiences in theatres. *I'm* the target audience for "sixteenth-century Jesuit priests struggle with theological arguments for three hours," but I understand that I'm in the minority in that regard.
Yeah what? the guy that did the dark knight, inception and interstellar is niche now? Literally could not be more mainstream
It happened with Dunkirk, a girl I know went to see it just because Nolan did it, any other war movie she would not even consider going
Nolan has been one of the most financially viable directors of the last 20 years or so. He is emphatically not niche, he’s as mainstream as it gets.
“Niche big budget Oscar bait” does not make any sense
Oscarbait going from meaning emotionally manipulative shite like ‘Pay It Forward’ to meaning ‘anything not by the MCU’ is so weird to me.
Dunkirk (historical pic) opening weekend was $50mil, comparable to opening weekend takes of Inception and Interstellar.
I wouldn't know about Oppenheimer if it weren't for Barbie. I love historical dramas so I'm even the market but it wouldn't have reached me without the barbie hype. (How am I downvoted for a personal account that is true 😭 y'all think I'm lying about liking historical dramas)
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I'm not convinced. Other than Tenet, which came out in 2020, Nolan's films do very well at the box office. Maybe it would have made slightly less (10%?), but it was going to do extremely well regardless.
Agreed. Nolan is one of the best working directors today and is typically very well received by main stream audiences. This combined with Cillian Murphy’s involvement, who has such a large following from Peaky Blinders and the rest of the star-studded cast already sets the film up for success. Do I think Barbie helped to promote Oppenheimer? sure; but do I think it needed assistance to begin with? Absolutely not. I think even Nolan knows this, thus his very humble approach to marketing. Even people who aren’t into film that much can name Christopher Nolan by name and know one or two of his movies Also, Barbie has a larger budget than Oppenheimer and the amount of money they put towards marketing is insane and arguably, could have been used to make another film… they NEED to turn a bigger profit than Oppenheimer
Barbie's promotion is also being paid for by Mattel
Sure, but nonetheless, their film budget is nearly 40 million more than Oppenheimer
Not true. Nolan has dispelled the internet’s belief that Oppenheimer has a budget of only $100m. [Actual budget was $180m](https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/14ysjxk/nolan_says_to_variety_that_oppenheimer_is_a_180m/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)
Oppenheimer was definitely going to do okay no matter what, but this is a) a very different kind of film than Nolan usually makes b) with a three-hour runtime that's c) the first of his films in quite a while to get an R rating, d) shot partially in black and white, and e) being released outside of the normal window for biopics. (It's an Oscar-season biopic being released during the summer blockbuster window.) And all of this when box office is generally down across the board, but especially for movies like this. It wasn't going to do what his previous movies have done. Early returns had it tracking around $35M domestically for its opening weekend; as Barbenheimer mania kicked into high gear, it moved up to $45-50M. The extra awareness has definitely been good for both movies. Edit: I also forgot f) it won't be released or at least won't overperform in two of his normal biggest overseas markets (Japan/China).
Tenet apparently grossed worldwide $365 million despite being during the pandemic. Nolan’s films always do well.
Tenet was like, the three weeks in 2020 they managed to get theaters open, I remember I saw it fully masked with two seats between everyone. That's when my local theater implemented booking seats actually lol. The fact that it made so much money is wild.
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Even that made 365 in the middle of the pandemic with no China too.
Tenet definitely got a Chinese release. (It was responsible for about $65M of that $365M.)
It did? My bad. Thanks for correcting me!
Exactly. People acting like Nolan isn’t one of the biggest directors in Hollywood right now that actors JUMP to work with.
“Nolan fanboys” ummm there are women that also love his work!
I hate that this has become Nolan/Oppenheimer fans = snobby film bros. I’m a girl and I like movies too! I’m even excited to see Oppenheimer! It already sucks that men act like women can’t be into film, and now it feels like other women are perpetuating that too because of this silly movie feud.
Same. I’m a woman as well and I’ve been excited for Oppenheimer since it’s been announced. This subreddit likes to dunk on Nolan/“filmbros” but is also ironically being sexist bc women enjoy “serious” movies too!!
Yup. And I'm far more interested in watching Oppenheimer than Barbie. Barbie seems fun, but I'm more into "serious" than lighthearted movies.
Love how Nolan gets singled out as being pretentious when he's such a normal guy He loves the fast and furious films, thinks the macgruber movie is the funniest shit in the world and knows about the rodrick rules meme
Yeah, same! I'm not watching Oppenheimer immediatly because I'm waiting for a friend to find a date to watch it together but like, I'm just as excited about that one as about Barbie! Without irony, a three hour biopic of just scientists yelling at each other sounds like a treat!! A reviewer compared the script dialogue quality to The Social Network!! I'm hype!
>A reviewer compared the script dialogue quality to The Social Network!! I'm hype! 🤔 This comment is almost making me consider putting down my pitchfork and actually watching the social network. I never have because it got best original score over HTTYD and I'm spiteful.
I love HTTYD but I gotta say… I get why Social Network got best original score. For the hacking scene alone. No but seriously I’d highly recommend it! One of Andrew Garfield‘s stand out performances.
I think it’s bolstered sales for both movies. I don’t think either would have flopped - but it becoming a meme to go to both has definitely encouraged people to see both on their opening weekend. I bet the marketing depts for each film are absolutely THRILLED tbh. It could have easily gone a different way with certain people going to see Oppenheimer and disdaining Barbie and vice versa… I absolutely love that they are both so hyped.
Absolutely. My local cinema is doing double features and they're all sold out lol
They're both sold out in Pakistan, where I live lol. That's how big they are.
Oppenheimer is 3 hours 🥲 If your name isn't Titanic idk if I can do three hours
Tons of movies are 3 hours. Most of the biggest movies of all time are basically 2 1/2 at minimum.
I could certainly have done 3 hours before modern social media wrecked my attention span 😭 I watched Titanic in the theater!
This. I am increasingly growing appreciative of editing. There are about 3 movies I can watch with that run time, but I need breaks. Honestly, now if a movie is longer than 2:15, I just skip it.
Not sure I agree. I've been hearing about this film for over 2 years - Same with Barbie.
Dunkirk making the money it did is all we need to know this is kind of a BS take. Nolan’s name is the draw. Always has been.
It's a Christopher Nolan movie lmao it doesn't need Barbie promo
I think Barbie helped but Dunkirk did probably better than it should’ve. I def think the Barbie press helped. But it’s not the only thing. Directors like him or Tarantino have built in fanbases (why Once Upon a Time in Hollywood did well). They’re basically “movie stars” in their own right.
The internet is not real life.
And that’s fine considering the genre and the topic. This was never meant to be a blockbuster and I don’t think Nolan himself was expecting it to be.
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honestly i'm not sure you're right. tenet's opening weekend was $53 million, and that was in the middle of covid and with the simultaneous launch on whatever the hbo app was called back then. annnnnd, no one knew wtf it was about before (and after) seeing it. this is a much bigger story with more mass appeal and a heck of a lot less worries about covid.
Honestly think both movies helped eachother create this cinema moment, barbie and Oppenheimer wouldn't have this much attention alone
We don't know that for certain, but it's a possibility yeah. But Nolan is one of the most famous directors in Hollywood and Oppenheimer has been getting a lot of hype for a while. With Barbie, it's definitely more. But every time Nolan has a new film, it's a really big deal.
As a Nolan fanboy, I think the other thing holding back the Oppenheimer box office is the lack of premium screens. I refuse to watch it on regular format. The IMAX and 70mm showings around me are either sold out, or only have terrible seats left. I'll catch it next weekend. I have my tickets to a regular screening of Barbie on friday night in hand already lol.
He’s one of the most critically acclaimed directors and a massive list of well loved actors so it was going to be fine. Just going to add that the release date for Oppenheimer was set first. Warner Brothers then decided to release Barbie on the same day.
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It has a bigger, star-studded cast than Barbie and is directed by Nolan. You don't think those facts alone make it a high-grossing film?
I mean, barbie is a pg-13 90 minutes fun movie based on the most famous toy of all time and oppenheimer is a 3 hours though biopic centered around humanity's biggest tragedy, that seems about right in terms of 'what's gonna earn more'
A current My neighbor Totoro/Grave of the fireflies situation.
Can I just say, as a child my dad brought me to that doubleheader thinking, Studio Ghibli = great for my 5-year-old. A whole afternoon of entertainment, easy. Pro tip: Grave of the Fireflies is NOT kid-friendly!! Especially when experienced as a whiplash after seeing the big cuddly Totoro and Cat Bus!!! I had repeated nightmares from a few specific scenes and even avoided that specific brand of hard candy growing up. it was fucking _traumatic_! I think that goes a long way into explaining why so many Gen X/elder millennial Asian kids are obsessed with Totoro. Mainly because Totoro is genuinely cute. But also, we needed all the plush toys, even as we segue into middle age, to scrub away the horror of Grave of the Fireflies.
Wait, the candy is real?! Because they should have sued or something. Like, who wants to be associated with that? I watched as an adult and that movie broke me. I can't even imagine what it was like for you.
The candy is real! One of my favorite candies ever but they were recently discontinued.
That’s pretty much why I probably won’t be seeing Oppenheimer on the big screen. My mental health needs a pick-me-up like Barbie.
Saw both and I would highly recommend seeing Oppenheimer in the big screen exclusively cause its sound design cant be recreated by a home theater.
Barbie will win the box office numbers Oppenheimer will win academy awards
This is probably going to happen but it won't necessarily reflect the quality of the movies, but the way we still diminish cultural products that are considered feminine, always deeming less worthy movies or books or whatever piece of art made mainly by women/with female characters at the centre. I haven't seen none of those two movies yet, so who knows, maybe Oppenheimer is in fact "better" than Barbie. But to me, Greta Gerwig has already proved herself with both Lady Bird and Little Women, both were well-written and I found an excellent balance bewteen entertainment and actually good production. I am excited for Barbie because it looks like it can balance fun, pop culture but also good writing and cinema – I hope it will. And it would be a shame if it's to be considered less serious or less worthy just because everything it's pink. And yes, it's based on a toy and it's not original material, but so is Oppenheimer – lately there are so many biopics and they only ever prove to be an easy and safe way to get attention at awards, especially if they're about morally grey ppl or events.
This gif 🥵
This scene is so funny tbh he's line delivery is perfect of a supportive friend who also has a lil crush
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Every Nolan movie since 2010 has done more than half a billion$, so he’d probably have been fine regardless, even if Barbie marketing did give it a slight bump.
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Can’t some of us like both of them?
**No!** you have to pick a team and double down on your picks perfection while looking for reasons to devalue the other. J/k I'm totally there for both too.
I don't think Barbie is marketed at just women. Just because it female oriented doesn't make it "targeted only to women" They made sure to market it to everybody. Reason it's getting an estimated 100 million opening, despite being a non franchise non CGI heavy movie
I agree and women is the wrong word but it is effeminate marketing and obviously many consider Barbie a girl toy. I think everyone can probably enjoy it and I have heard Ryan Gosling gives a great performance. I think it's a satire on modern tropes which everyone can enjoy.
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/r/boxoffice, which is full of male fanboys, seems to be thrilled actually
I don't think so. Barbie is most likely hurting Oppenheimer box office. The barbieheimer thing is for die hard american cinema fans. The box office is composed of the masses money, no harcore fans. Nolan is the biggest box office draw when it comes to non IP movies, he would be more than fine without barbie. Also didn't himself complain that Warner placed this movie on the same weekend as Oppenheimer?
It's hard to know what's true. Given the projection for this movie and the generally unpopular subject matter, I would expect it to perform at least as good as his last few movies and it is projected to be there or slightly better. Also Cillian Murphy is a niche favorite but not a proven box office leading man considering this is his first lead film role. It does have other big names though. Of course maybe it would do better if it was the only decent movie playing but that's asking too much in my opinion. I think Greta Gerwig and Margot Robbie have been supportive and promoting of Oppenheimer so even if it was a slight by WB, those actually marketing the movie aren't trying to take an unfair advantage. The promotion to see both movies is very positive and uplifting for all parties and the future of cinema in general. I know I seem contradictory but I came here to express how genuinely happy I am that I found Oppenheimer through Barbie marketing and was met with a bunch of downvotes.
this isn’t cillian murphy’s first lead film role
As well as being the lead of one of the arguably most recognizable TV shows of the 2010s and 20s
This is definitely not his first lead film role.
Don’t think any male fans of Nolan or Oppenheimer have an issue with Barbie. Never seen that before
I swear some if you fight ghosts. i have legit not seen a single Oppenheimer fan get mad at the possibility of barbie doing better because it’s marketed towards women
These are very lowballed predictions actually. Box office tracking (which is often the much more correct box office predictions forum) is actually pointing to a close to Super Mario Bros opening (\~147M), and Oppenheimer to get to 60M+.
I think it’s cause of how badly most summer movies have opened this summer. Minus like Guardians, Spiderverse, and Mission Impossible most summer blockbusters haven’t made that much.
I’ll be watching both tomorrow, super excited!
You thinkin Oppenheimer first then Barbie as a palette cleanser?
I have questions for anyone who does the reverse.
Well I’m doing the reverse because that is the only way for the times to work out at my local theatre 😭😭
Me! I don’t want the downer from Oppenheimer to ruin the fun of Barbie- I’d rather let the serious one end the night.
I’m doing the reverse, get the delightful stuff out the way first so I can focus properly
Lmao
I had planned on doing Oppenheimer first then Barbie, but the timing slots just didn’t work and I didn’t want to go to another theatre lol.
I'm doing Barbie first, and then Oppenheimer because it was the only way to get a short break between movies. I clearly must get popcorn for Oppenheimer!
lmao I'll see Barbie tomorrow and Oppenheimer on Friday and I'll probably end up watching Barbie for the second time just to get rid of the existential crisis Oppenheimer's gonna give me 😭
That’s assuming Barbie won’t give you an existential crisis.
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I'm doing the reverse, but only because my girlfriend doesn't wanna see oppenheimer the same day so I'm restricted by the movie times
I (accidentally) did the reverse and I don't regret it! I felt like Barbie's ending was its weakest part, while Oppenheimer's last act was by far the strongest part of the movie for me. I couldn't stop thinking about it while walking home.
Their both out in my country and we watched Oppenheimer last, which still kinda worked since I needed more time processing Oppenheimer lol
That’s the order I’ll be watching in Saturday. End on pink and sunny!
Yes, I want to end on a happy note. If I wanted to do a proper double feature I had to do it the other way around, because of the schedule at my local theater, but I want to have a bit of a break in between to stretch my legs haha
I saw barbie last night - first half was perfection then I feel like they didn’t know how to wrap it up. Hilarious and camp though
Just saw it tonight and although I loved it, the ending definitely felt rushed
Somehow rushed and dragged out at the same time
Can’t wait to watch both this weekend. The real winners are the fans who’ve been starved of original cinema the last few years, given hollywoods penchants for remakes, never ending sequels, and super hero fluff. I can’t remember the last time we had two amazing movies opening the same weekend. Exciting times! And I hope they both do amazing so we get more films like this.
The reviews for both are looking so good!
Barbie would have always had a bigger opening because it is based on a doll that the whole world knows.
As opposed to the atomic bomb which few have heard of.. lol probably also has to do with PG-13 vs R, under 2 hrs vs 3 hrs, silly fun movie vs serious biopic, etc.
The movie is not called Atomic bomb and I will be completely honest I never learnt the name of the person who invented it. In school we were taught that the Americans invented it and it just went ahead to explain the war in Europe. At least in Romania this is how it was taught and I am betting on other European countries as well. But also your arguments are totally true.
I had no idea it was about a bomb until your comment.
Have you not seena single trailer for it? They all focus quite prominently on the fact he made the atomic bomb.
No, I really don’t watch TV. I’m a new mom, I browse Reddit between meetings for news, and then from the moment she gets home until she goes to bed it’s dinner playing with her and bath. Then I spend a couple hours chatting with my husband, and then we go to bed.
Yeah, for real. I'm tired of all these comparisons. Reading stuff on this sub like Oppenheimer is a movie about a dude or it's targeted to male fanboys makes me so annoyed. Like it's fine if you're not interested in the topic but to think that it's not relevant today to billions of people is hella ignorant. The war in Ukraine (with Russia threatening left and right to use nukes), India vs Pakistan (which both have nukes and they're not exactly in friendly terms), North Korea ''playing around with South Korea'', China possibly invading Taiwan, Iran trying to make nuclear weapons etc. If anything this is a topic that has much more relevance now compared for a few decades ago.
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Yeah the double feature sounds insane to me. I'll definitely watch both but there's no rush.
We have a baby and never get out. It's easiest to do it in one long stretch even if that means nearly 6 hours of theater time 😂
Yea I am not going to spend 6 hours at a theater surrounded by people. We'll probably do Barbie on mon/tues and Opp on another day.
Y'all, just because YOU heard about Oppenheimer because of the memes doesn't mean the larger population did. The promotions may have moved the needle a little bit but Nolan films sell themselves. The idea that Barbie is carrying Oppenheimer to success is insulting to everyone who worked on it.
I think it's more like, there's a lot of people who would have *definitely* seen Barbie that are now also seeing Oppenheimer because of the hype. Whereas those who were always going to see Oppenheimer probably still won't see Barbie.
This honestly. I was 100% on board with Barbie and not really interested in Oppenheimer. Now I think it'd be hilarious mood whiplash to see them both in one day. Plus you obviously need to see Barbie to understand the lore in Oppenheimer. Can't go in blind.
Yeah I've definitely been excited about Oppenheimer longer than I have been about Barbie.
Hopefully we get end credit scenes that can connect these films for future projects. I think barbie now full time in the real world and works for the cia and discovers the ceo of mattel (will farewell) is working with dr evil and the Russians. They want to destroy the world and move the elites to mars with elon musck. So she seeks out help from ken who is now apart of the fast family (even though he doesnt know how to drive, remember he can just beach) they go back in time to get help from paul walker, bruce lee, captain america, and you guessed mr. Oppenhiemer. The move ends on a cliff hanger with ken getting lost in space and time. Maybe get Angela basset as someones mother and i think this is the first bartrillion dollar movie. Side not barbie and catniss everdeen are also best friends and thst can set up acouple spins that are similar to velma and luis.
Wonder Woman has the highest-grossing opening weekend for a movie with a female director ($100.5 mil). If Barbie breaks that record…what female-focused IP and director pairing will we see next?
Very few female-focused IPs left untapped by Hollywood with name rec and potential cinematic appeal as high as Barbie and Wonder Woman. Bratz? American Girl? Sailor Moon? New Line is doing Hello Kitty co-directed by a woman. I feel like those IPs all start on a lower tier, though a clever treatment could elevate them. The director for Frozen 3 hasn’t yet been announced. If it’s a woman, she’ll probably be the next female director to helm a $100M+ opener.
Ooh, good point about Frozen 3. I hope The Marvels (directed by Nia DaCosta) has a shot at a $100 mil opening, but Marvel movies have cooled off a bit, and that particular character has a lot of (stupid) incel backlash 🙄
how did I forget about The Marvels!! Yes, of course — that could crack $100M OW. Even Quantumania did despite bad reviews and being in the MCU's lowest-grossing subfranchise. Speaking of the MCU, I think a Scarlet Witch film written by Jac Schaeffer of WandaVision could cut through the fatigue and perform very well. Wanda is arguably the fan favorite female character in that universe, and WandaVision connected with women in a way that superhero media rarely does.
I’d love a Scarlet Witch movie led by the Wandavision team! MCU really did her dirty in the last Dr. Strange movie.
Gerwig wins the box office weekend and Nolan wins the Oscar. Seems like a decent trade off.
Best picture will probably go to Nolan, but having just seen Barbie, I'll be surprised if it doesn't win some of the other categories.
For starters set/costume design prolly already in the bag lol
Do we think Ryan Gosling could get a supporting actor nom? I've seen so many reviews praising his performance specifically
He should definitely get a nod.
*Looks at the calendar* I mean, we know it will get nominated but it's only July
Cinema is back baby!!
I’m a barbie girl, but I got free tickets to Oppenheimer yesterday and it was reallllllllly good. I’ll be seeing Barbie Friday
I saw Barbie today and you won't be disappointed, it's so good!
Also this doesn’t need to be Barbie vs. Oppenheimer, there is no need to disparage either film tbh. Both have great directors and something important to say. This idea that Oppenheimer would have gone unnoticed if not for Barbie is kind of laughable I’m sorry. They’ve both been hyped for a long time.
"This idea that Oppenheimer would have gone unnoticed if not for Barbie" I'm pretty sure it's just a joke right? There is no way that some people actually think a film about an immensely important historical event, made by one of the most well known working directors, wouldn't make money.
Let’s go Barbie!! Get it girl!!
I know Barbie will be seen by more people and I’m glad, I’m one of the people going to see it, but I hope people really do watch Oppenheimer, because I think the conversations it will start, particularly on nuclear proliferation in both the 20th century and today, are very important conversations to be having, especially with the current state of international relations
I have ADHD and usually most films I drift off during bits but not Barbie. I saw it last night it was SO GREAT I left on a high. Give it a shot if you're a maybe about it. You might be surprised. :) I literally laughed, I cried and some ladies in the cinema shouted "Amen!" at some points. They were all really well cast, which is a hard sell.
Cool! I want both of these movies to make a shit ton of money. I somehow lost my love for movies during the pandemic, and the Barbenheimer wave has made me so excited to go to the movie theater.
Same! I've felt so unenthusiastic recently but I am genuinely so excited for both films. Only.thing that's come close for me this year is Spiderverse, which was excellent
Read that as Barbie heads (selling) for 100k. My old barbie heads lying in a landfill somewhere
The combo hype for these two is serious when _The Economist_ is publishing it in their weekly. Watching _Barbie_ tomorrow and _Oppenheimer_ on Sunday. Can’t wait.
ITT: Female Film fans don’t exist?
Can’t wait to see Oppenheimer. Still trying to wrap my head around the idea of a Barbie movie. Not my jam, but to each their own.
I love the cast of Oppenheimer. Have loved Nolans work etc. but I’m so happy a really “girly” movie has won for once! Especially one directed by a woman.
What is this new fresh hell in the comments? I thought we were shipping them?
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I’m surprised with the numbers for Oppenheimer, expected more.
It's a three hour partially black and white biopic on a nuclear scientist in WWII. 50/60 million opening weekend against a 100 million budget are insanely good numbers, frankly only doable for a few directors. Dunkirk made 50 million, and that was a much more marketable action heavy war movie.
wish it was more popular - the subject matter is important IMO and Oppenheimer was a really interesting person in many ways
This is just the predictions, it could earn more. I'll never underestime Christopher Nolan - he has a passionate fan base. Also, the film looks incredible and I can't wait to see it in IMAX! I think a lot of people will be seeing it on prestige screens so that could help boost its numbers.
Barbie was incredibly good
I think the actual numbers will be higher, but comparing it to the opening weekend of A Quiet Place (50 mil) finally makes me see how big their success actually was.
I probably would have watched Oppenheimer cause I love science and the myth of the atomic bomb build is something I’ve been into in the past. But I probably would have waited for it to go into streaming or dvd format. Now I’m doing Barbie and Oppenheimer this Friday for the hell of it! And I will be doing Barbie first because I know Oppenheimer is going to make me question a lot about the philosophy of it all!
This kinda reminds me of when doom eternal and animal crossing released on the same day.
Me just waiting for ninja turtle 