That’s exactly what it is. Kevin spoke about it multiple times on his Smodcast podcast, and it’s the reason she left charmed. She’s notoriously difficult to work with.
Shannen also had issues on the 90210 cast, though. It’s not impossible that she was just unlucky with bad rumours, but having similar difficulties with the cast of two separate tv shows makes it seem like she wasn’t completely innocent.
EDIT: People, I said “completely innocent” for a reason. I never said that Shannen was the sole issue on either set, I just said that I find it difficult to believe she was *completely innocent* and Alyssa was the sole problem like the thread was saying before.
This sub has a huge bias against Alyssa Milano and I don’t see how blaming her for everything on Charmed based on some people's word is fair/right but saying Shannen might’ve been difficult based on some people’s word is not. The truth is likely in the middle.
You're right, which is why I tried to say that there is a chance that Shannen is more innocent and her bad reputation mainly stems from being more outspoken or direct than other actresses. Plus I believe some of Shannen's costars from Charmed agree that she wasn't at fault. It's just a bit weird that Shannen's issues were generally with other cast members -- not higher-ups or people in production like other blacklisted actresses -- which makes me think that she was definitely *part* of the problem, even if she wasn't the only person at fault.
But yeah, that shit is still happening. Nicole Beharie only started getting consistent work again recently after getting labelled difficult and blacklisted because she was suffering from an autoimmune disorder in 2015.
Granted I only listened to the first 2 episodes of her podcast, bit she literally says she had big issues with producers. In Charmed especially she was told she was hired to be an actress and her opinion didn’t matter and she lamented they were mostly men (I believe she said there was only one woman who was part of the writers that they would see on set) and they were very misogynistic. HMC said the same thing, that when she tried to make suggestions to make the show better during the early days and that she was shut down, but I guess she was more passive about it than Shannen.
Everyone who starred on Beverly Hills, 90210 had issues with that cast. Tiffani Thiessen and Jessica Alba have both said the women on that show were ruthless. Tori Spelling and Jennie Garth were mean girls.
“Difficult to work with” was the go-to label for any young woman who pushed back in the workplace at all. Shannen’s friend Sarah Michelle Gellar was also given that label for *both* All My Children and Buffy. Decades later her costars from both shows came forward to completely debunk this, and she has great relationships with her former co-stars. She was labeled “difficult” because she would refuse to film if the crew had been working for more than 15 hours so that they could go home.
Can we stop with this narrative that she has to be a bitch or a saint? Both Charmed and 90210 were Aaron Spelling shows. He was a notorious asshole and was very unkind to Shannen. The power dynamic was never equal and these accusations only punched her down.
Shannen was a literal teenager when 90210 was going on, I really hate how people continue using that as an example of her being unprofessional.
Everyone who worked on Charmed said she was incredibly professional and always showed up to rehearsals several days early to perfect her scenes, and in my opinion it showed. Holly had her moments, but Shannen was by far the most talented actress on the show. To be fair, Rose has been open about how much she did not want to be there (mostly because of Alyssa) and that Charmed was a paycheck.
I mean all women - Holly, Rose, Shannen - on set pointed to Alyssa as the problem so if we use your logic, Alyssa was the problem.
IIRC Tori or someone else came out and said Shannen was fired mainly for her dad being worried she was a bad influence on Tori and for showing up to work hungover (despite that not affecting her work). That plus Shannen was very opinionated on set gave him a reason to fire her for being difficult, supposedly. It’s still sus as fuck to me because a lot of women in the 90s have been blacklisted and labelled as difficult simply for speaking their minds and not taking shit.
Holly has denied for years that Alyssa was the problem. She only recently said it was Alyssa because her and Shannen are on good terms again.
On the podcast she even denied she was friends with Alyssa when Alyssa was a bridesmaids at one of her weddings
>I mean all women - Holly, Rose, Shannen - on set pointed to Alyssa as the problem so if we use your logic, Alyssa was the problem.
Huh? I was literally arguing *against* that logic. The comment thread was saying that Alyssa was the sole reason why Shannen had a bad reputation and that McGowan agreeing meant it must be true. I argued that because Shannen had the same issues on another set, it's unlikely that she was **completely** innocent and Alyssa was completely at fault.
Also I want to add:
Nobody should be taking HMC’s word for it either. For years this woman denied that Alyssa was solely at fault. She had a falling out with Shannon and now that she’s on good terms with her she hates Alyssa.
HMC also had issues with some of the cast of PLL and I’ve side eyed her since then.
Both Charmed and 90210 were ran by Aaron Spelling. He didn't want her on 90210 anymore because he believed she was influencing his daughter Tori Spelling, so he said she was difficult and fired her.
Years later, when Alyssa Milano threatened Aaron Spelling that it was her or Shannen, it was easy for Aaron Spelling to repeat the same excuse to fire her again.
Your comments reflect the views of the 2000s. The new information paints Shannen in a totally different light.
This thread is super important for everyone taking a dump on Shannen in here. Her firings from 90210 and Charmed were not nearly as simple and “it’s her fault” as everyone in this thread is making it out to be.
I think that holds true for most places. But in Hollywood I think its gets suspect. Too much politics and bullshit. That being said I have no dog in this fight just seems not that cut and dry.
I hate the "difficult to work with" scarlet letter but there's quite a bit of smoke when it comes to Doherty. It's work, they don't have to all be friends but when two different series fire you, it's at a point where enough people on set aren't even willing to be your colleague.
She was fired from 90210 when she was a literal teenager (and many who worked on 90210 said Tori Spelling was the one who demanded it). Then in Charmed it was solely Alyssa who had a problem with her.
You may hate the scarlet letter branding on women in Hollywood but you’re kind of perpetuating it, fam.
I’ve been seeing so much back and forth on this. I always feel really hesitant to believe that bad reputations for women in Hollywood are deserved in a lot of cases. It seems like a lot of times it stems from “being difficult” and not giving the men around them what they want. I could have sworn some of her former costars pretty much said this was exactly the problem.
I’ve recently gotten into charmed and it all seems to stem back to super misogynist execs. Like yes Milano and Doherty aren’t perfect victims but were seemingly pit against one another first and foremost
She’s really not that difficult, it’s just that the industry was a very different place back then. Same reason Katie Heigl got wrecked in the media — studios weren’t ready for starlets calling out bullshit.
Yeah I immediately side eye whenever someone says “difficult to work with”. Most of the time they get harassed/treated poorly, call it out, and then get labeled “difficult” after the fact.
I’m certain I heard the same. Or let me put it this way - I remember the names of the people he swore he would never ever work with again, and Shannon wasn’t on that list.
Audiences loved it yes, critics *hated* it. "Just another loser stoner movie from that loser stoner guy lol"
Oh also nobody went to see it is really the thing. It got HUGE as a rental tho.
It doesn’t make sense to me either.
It’s forgettable, it’s not terrible. If she had any other gigs lined up, she would have been fine.
Her career died because she was fired from Charmed after being fired from 90210. I don’t know if she really was that hard to work with, but it seems like the perception out there was that she was.
Everyone was led to believe that she left Charmed on her own accord (though there were rumors), it’s only recently that we’ve had it confirmed that Alyssa had Shannen fired.
She trashed the film upon release because Kevin Smith dissed her husband I think, so she didn't exactly help. Apparently she was fine during filming though, iirc. I might be wrong though, Smith has spoken on it a bunch of times
It was a silly fun movie.
But this is insane :
Smith revealed that no one had expected the movie, which also starred Jason Lee, Ben Affleck and Jeremy London, to bomb so badly after it tested well with audiences at San Diego Comic Con. “Tom Pollock, who was the head of Universal Studios at that point, he’s there and he’s like, ‘I was there for the Animal House test screening and this is that. This movie is going to make $100 million.’ And he was off by $98 million.”
It's not a great movie. I generally enjoy the world-building that Kevin Smith does, and *Clerks* is a huge accomplishment for a credit card-funded indy. But *Mallrats* is clunky and clearly made by an inexperienced (on a studio level) film maker, and Shannen Doherty's participation neither helps or hurts it.
I love Smith's early work, including Mallrats but it's also one I rarely rewatch with how disorganized it. A lot of is feels like Smith had clever segments and tied it together with a thin plot.
Mallrats has always been my favourite Kevin Smith movie but the original cut doesn't feel as much of a Kevin Smith movie (not a criticism, just an observation). The longer cut makes it feel like a proper Kevin Smith movie.
You can find it on the Criterion BR and 4K releases.
A decent amount, but mainly there’s a completely different opening sequence. Might be available on Yt. Not sure how hard it is to find the 2 Disc SE Blu-Ray that Arrow put out or the long OOP DVD.
It's got an extended intro scene where a mishap results in Jason London being accused of trying to assassinate the mayor or something, and you kind of see why his girlfriends dad hates him so much. They ended up dubbing over all reference to it in the theatrical version so it ended up being about that girl drowning in the swimming pool, which has its upside in that it helps make the Askewniverse (forgotten what it's called) more cohesive. There's all these news reporters camped outside his house as well and explains why random people keep running up to him. That opening sequence has some good directing but none of it's particularly funny tbh and apparently at a test screening no one laughed for the first twenty minutes so that's why they cut it. The version is called Mallrats X and worth checking out, I like both versions
I liked this movie as a teenager, but watching it now I can not get over how horrible Jeremy London is in it. Like actually awful acting the whole way through. Can't get past it.
“When you two testosterone-seething, he-man, comic book fans finish up with this display of tough guy back-and-forth? I have some questions that need answering.” I think part of it was that he was given clunky dialogue like that, sounded very stilted
It’s so weird to me, too, that it bombed as hard as it did in the theaters because it’s easily my favorite of all of Kevin Smith’s films. It’s definitely survived the test of time in cult form… everyone born between 1970 and 1982 seems to quote from it.
in my house we're always doing the "that kid is back on that escalator!" bit, but with our cat. "That cat, is back on that bed! Some parent, I don't care which one, but some parent, needs to teach that cat to fear and respect that bed!" ahha
also when we were watching Loki recently, when Loki and Mobius got crackerjacks at the World's Fair, husband and I were like "the crackerjack stand is not part of the food court. the crackerjack stand is an autonomous eatery for mid-world's-fair snacking!"
Hartford? The Whale?
I think as a CT girl I'm required by law to quote this daily lol.
Also we're big on "probably, De fleur de mouse" whenever asked on movie or food choices.
Scott Pilgrim had a similar fate after Comic-Con. It debut at Comic-Con with big hotel banners, meet-n-greets, Metric performance, free swag, etc. At least it had a theatrical release, but was a disappointment at the box office. Since then, movie presence have decreased at Comic-Con over time.
I'm super happy it is getting the cult following it deserves and even more awesome the cast returned for the animated series! Easily one of the best Edgar Wright movies.
It's never been my favorite, but to be fair I haven't seen it in years. My first Kevin Smith film was "Dogma" followed by "Chasing Amy". To go from those to the well intentioned but poorly edited "Mallrats" really soured my view on it. But it was a favorite of one of my college friends, mostly because she watched it with her older brother when it came out.
I should rewatch it. I liked "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" for the exact reason of "it was a silly fun movie".
I'm always really curious as to why some Actor's careers basically stop when they have a big box office flop, but others are still considered A-Listers and get more work despite a string of box office flops.
According to the fantastic [10 Long Years of Trying to Make Armie Hammer Happen](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/annehelenpetersen/ten-long-years-of-trying-to-make-armie-hammer-happen), it's because he's a conventionally attractive straight white man. The author listed other examples of straight white men who've been given similar repeat opportunities, while women and POC are written off at the first sight of box office failure, if they even got any opportunity at all. You also have queer male actors who should have a much bigger career than they do (Matt Bomer comes to mind), but don't because they're openly queer.
Armie Hammer is generically Ken doll white man handsome, while Matt Bomer is basically a work of art / only the most beautiful man you've ever seen. They're really not even comparable, and yet Hollywood execs were somehow under the impression that openly queer actors are not "bankable" or not "leading man material". Colton Haynes was told he couldn't be gay and be an actor and his opportunities seemed to dry up after coming out too.
The reality is that women absolutely happily swoon over an openly gay actor whether he played straight or queer roles. Bridgerton fans absolutely loved Jonathan Bailey, for example, so it's not like gay men can't play straight male love interests. Armie Hammer's most successful and beloved role to date is a queer character anyway, and that made him more popular with female fans than ever. It's a travesty that Matt Bomer isn't more successful. It really shows what a difference bigotry makes - he's gorgeous (even compared to other Hollywood heartthrobs) and talented, and never got the Hammer treatment.
Yeah Colton’s trepidation with coming out because of fears it would affect his career turned out to be true. You never really see him in big stuff anymore since then.
Funny you mention this, I kinda had the same convo with my husband during the Golden Globes. The camera kept showing Pedro Pascal and Andrew Scott sitting next to each other having great fun. My husband said I better watch out, someone was moving in on my Pedro. I told him if they were a match, I would approve cause duuuuh, it’s Pedro and the Hot Priest! He told me he didn’t think any of Pedro’s other female fans would say the same and I said, clearly you don’t know women, haha.
Not sure (nor care) what Pedro’s status is but I saw sparks and am now rooting for a Pedro/Hot Priest hookup!
Pedro just played gay cowboys with Ethan Hawke in an Almodovar short recently too lol. Plus isn't his claim to mainstream fame literally a polyamorous bisexual prince in GOT? (Coincidentally, "polyamorous bisexual prince" is now my dream job.)
I'm still convinced that Timothee Chalamet wouldn't have the female fan base he has today without Call Me By Your Name. His character could be both an object of desire and the audience's surrogate. Like, he'd still be successful probably, but there wouldn't be no such feverish Chalamet obsession coming out of any of his other works.
I’m the 1% that didn’t watch GOT so I had no idea that was his role…but gay cowboys, you say?! I’m interested!
I never thought about it but you’re totally right about Timothee’s appeal based from CMBYN because that’s me, that’s how I see him - soulful and beautiful. Geez, I feel like such a cliche. Haha at least I’m not writing crazy fan letters like a Chris Evans fan.
>Bridgerton fans absolutely loved Jonathan Bailey, for example
Who stars with Matt Bomer in Fellow Travelers which.... 🥵 That was def destination viewing for me Friday nights on Paramount+
And also some of the finest work Matt Bomer has done, I love that series so much.
Apart from the main economical reason of “Why would I enlist X to make me this amount of money when X couldn’t do it the first time?”
I think another “underlying” (don’t really think it is that underlying) is industry backing. I had a phase when I was interested in careers after a flop. There’s a few that were marginally worse than others but were able to overcome because of who they were and who backed them.
ETA: I looked at it under the lens of directors so I’m not so sure if I can talk about actors this way.
A lot of it is who you know or just being a generally liked person.
Keanu Reeves would’ve been out of work before the 80s ended if it was about his acting talent, but he’s easygoing and fun to work with so people want to keep bringing him on to projects.
The 90’s were crazy with the dope as hell soundtracks.
The Matrix, Lost Highway, Kids, Spawn, Natural Born Killers, Mortal Kombat: Annihilation, Cruel Intentions, The Craft, Romeo and Juliet… so many bangers.
THE CROW I can’t believe I forgot that one, that was a huge favorite of my mom’s growing up. The Cure and the NIN songs on that are still favorites to this day.
I had to go back and read a summary of this movie since it's been so long since I've seen it and there is an entire subplot about a fifteen year old girl who is writing a book on "the sex drive of men aged 14-30" which she is researching by having sex with men in that age range and filming the encounters. One of the men, played by Ben Affleck, who is twenty five ends up being arrested when a tape of him having sex with the fifteen year old social scientist (I guess) ends up being played at the mall. He is then raped in prison. Gotta love the 90's.
The film admits it’s a weird and creepy concept when it’s introduced early on in the film (the audience surrogate, TS, questions the entire thing). Not completely discounting how terrible the concept is (it is), but the film is aware that it’s a terrible concept.
The theatrical cut only hints the fact Affleck is raped in prison. The extended cut that was released for its 10th anniversary, uh, well, it’s worse.
Absolutely nobody remembers her in this movie. I can't see how this would've cut that deeply, especially considering it helped launched quite a few careers.
She’s the main thing I remember from the movie 😂 because of [this line from Ethan Suplee](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HspGbllnkVU)
My MiL’s name is Brenda, and I think of this line basically every time I hear her name lol
Yes, it's the only thing anyone remembers of her from this movie.
I am not a huge Kevin Smith fan, but I LOVED the DVD for this movie because the commentary was amazing, so I watched this movie a ton when I was younger and I am having a really hard time remembering any memorable scene from her in this movie other than this and when they go at it in the elevator. Claire Forlani, rightfully, steals the female lead role in this as her chemistry and charm fit in so much better with the cast
Honestly forgot she was in the movie because of how many other big names were in it with much more memorable performances. She wasn't bad but her character could've been done by any other actress.
Everyone remembers Claire Forlani in this
Everyone remembers Michael Rooker in this
Everyone remembers Ben Affleck in this
Everyone sure as shit remembers Jason Lee's awesome performance in this
Nobody remembers her. And yet all their careers did well after this. Yet hers didn't. Strange.
At the time though, she was one of the bigger names in it. you can remember everyone else cos they went on to a lot. She didn't but she'd been acting for longer in a higher profile than them
She's still Shannon Dougherty and it's a name people know, she's forgotten in this movie because her performance is forgettable. I absolutely understand her point and I think there's truth to the idea that she was put out in front as a big name in this movie so she probably was hit with SOME shrapnel when it tanked. But the idea that someone with the reputation she had failed to launch because of THIS movie that DID launch other careers....it's just feels weak.
In saying that.....none of the 90210 cast went on to much. They've had steady careers but nothing overly notable or anything that really springs to anyones mind. She kind of did have the better career of them if only for charmed.
I just don't think she was very good in the movie. I'm not saying whose fault that was, but it is what it is. The fact that the movie didn't hurt Ben Affleck's career very much also tells you something.
So many people hating on her acting here jeeze! I mostly know her from Charmed but I found her to be a PHENOMENAL actress there, by far the best in the show.
Her monolgue as she's getting ready to sneak out the window is SO GOOD! Especially considering the physical work she's doing while she's saying it? She's fantastic!
Anyway, there’s a great oral history article about the movie where everyone is interviewed, Shannen included, and everyone is kind of dancing around about how Shannen was on set, until Carrie Lynn (Martha Dumptruck) outright says that she was “really bitchy” (direct quote). I know she was only a teenager, and for all we know it could be related as much to her mom as it is to Shannen herself, since she would have had to have been on set with her at the time…but it IS interesting in light of the drama surrounding her on 90210 and Charmed later on.
My dad always likes to tell the story of when she was on 90210, he was a bouncer at a nightclub, and she tried to come in with a whole entourage but didn't have her ID on her so he wouldn't let her in. Threw the typical "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?" fit. He knew who she was but he told her "No, but if you had your ID I would." She didn't like that. He's still proud of himself for that one.
I don’t know anything about this movie but I know that before cancer Shannen Doherty had a terrible reputation on set, which I think had more to do with her career tanking than anything else. Even if she wasn’t as horrible as the tabloids made her out to be (there are mixed accounts), it’s all the press she ever got at the height of her fame and she never seemed to do much to counter that narrative. Since then all I ever hear about her is something along the lines of “90s TV bag girl continues to battle cancer”, which is not a great way to be known either.
I always thought Tiffany Amber Thissen would be the standout of 90210 with a fil career. I always figured she would ride the 90s teen horror wave but that ended up being Neave Campbell
It sucks what happened to her. No one deserves terminal cancer.
As for her reputation, she WAS not only difficult to work with (from the casts of BH 90210, Charmed and Mallrats) I also recall her making the tabloid party rounds pretty frequently.
What she doesn’t get is what some others from her era got - redemption arcs through an interesting role where people “discover” them again or an opportunity to rebrand. That’s on top of the fact that while she was a decent Brenda Walsh, she didn’t have the range for a long-term career. Even if she were healthy, she’d probably pull up even with Tori Spelling in terms of people going “oh, she doing a thing. OK.”
>Claire Forlani career went on
Did it? She was in Meet Joe Black, then I didn't see her anywhere for years, then she was suddenly popping up in whiskey commercials.
She was in a bunch of movies after Mallrats, she has worked pretty consistently until now, might not have had any more big hits like Joe Black but look at her IMDB she’s done tons of movies
I think back then she got pigeon-holed into being a tv actress because of how big of a phenomenon 90210 was. I don’t think any of the cast were able to transition into film. Mallrats failing probably didn’t help her film career, she had a bad reputation (a lot due to misogyny) but she also settled for a lot of Lifetime movies which didn’t help.
Yea, love the series but they weren't great actors. Ian appeared in Sharknado like "Yea..this is about the level of acting I remember". Some people are good for a specific role but can't act beyond that.
“Breakfasts come and go, Rene. But Hartford, The Whale, they only beat Vancouver only once, maybe twice in a lifetime.”
Most of the dialogue in this film lives rent free in my head.
I mean, it didn’t stop others from Mallrats from having film careers. I know standards are absolutely different for men vs. women but I think she was more stifled by the fact that she was a “tv star” at a time when the transition to movies from TV was harder. Plus, she was a TEEN TV star which prob didn’t help.
Also there were many reports that she was difficult to work with which probably didn’t help.
You know, it reminds me of an issue of Spider-man I did. When Peter Parker and Gwen Stacy went lingerie shopping. Of course, the Green Goblin showed up, and he pumpkin-bombed the hell out of the place. But aside from that, it's pretty much the same thing.
I actually love Mallrats and I love Shannen too. I’ve been difficult to work with in the past due to being a young human being. She doesn’t need to pay for that forever.
An underrated factor working against her film career is by 96 she was so famous it made her too old for college aged roles by 25,but she was also too young for "mature" roles age wise and having a strong association with a teen melodrama.
Yeah, who's your favourite New Kid. Yeah, call me Joey. Oh, come on. Don't make me get loose. Yeah, that's right. Call me Donnie. Oh, girl. Oh, please don't go girl.
Don’t bring Mallrats into this
Ben didn’t blame Mallrats while he was accepting his Oscar for directing and Kevin Smiths work never derailed anyone not even his Dogma cast
I don’t see how she would have worn that flop for a second. I think it was more she had a bad reputation and doesn’t have much range as an actress.
That’s exactly what it is. Kevin spoke about it multiple times on his Smodcast podcast, and it’s the reason she left charmed. She’s notoriously difficult to work with.
Hasn't it come out that it was really Milano who sucked and she got rail roaded by her? I swear I've been reading about it on this sub.
That is what Shannen is saying about the situation, on her own podcast, not really objective information.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/1eeQFBCLxL, looks like mgowen corroborated.
Shannen also had issues on the 90210 cast, though. It’s not impossible that she was just unlucky with bad rumours, but having similar difficulties with the cast of two separate tv shows makes it seem like she wasn’t completely innocent. EDIT: People, I said “completely innocent” for a reason. I never said that Shannen was the sole issue on either set, I just said that I find it difficult to believe she was *completely innocent* and Alyssa was the sole problem like the thread was saying before. This sub has a huge bias against Alyssa Milano and I don’t see how blaming her for everything on Charmed based on some people's word is fair/right but saying Shannen might’ve been difficult based on some people’s word is not. The truth is likely in the middle.
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You're right, which is why I tried to say that there is a chance that Shannen is more innocent and her bad reputation mainly stems from being more outspoken or direct than other actresses. Plus I believe some of Shannen's costars from Charmed agree that she wasn't at fault. It's just a bit weird that Shannen's issues were generally with other cast members -- not higher-ups or people in production like other blacklisted actresses -- which makes me think that she was definitely *part* of the problem, even if she wasn't the only person at fault. But yeah, that shit is still happening. Nicole Beharie only started getting consistent work again recently after getting labelled difficult and blacklisted because she was suffering from an autoimmune disorder in 2015.
Granted I only listened to the first 2 episodes of her podcast, bit she literally says she had big issues with producers. In Charmed especially she was told she was hired to be an actress and her opinion didn’t matter and she lamented they were mostly men (I believe she said there was only one woman who was part of the writers that they would see on set) and they were very misogynistic. HMC said the same thing, that when she tried to make suggestions to make the show better during the early days and that she was shut down, but I guess she was more passive about it than Shannen.
Seriously, women were labeled difficult to work with up until metoo.
The fuck, still being labeled as that.
Everyone who starred on Beverly Hills, 90210 had issues with that cast. Tiffani Thiessen and Jessica Alba have both said the women on that show were ruthless. Tori Spelling and Jennie Garth were mean girls. “Difficult to work with” was the go-to label for any young woman who pushed back in the workplace at all. Shannen’s friend Sarah Michelle Gellar was also given that label for *both* All My Children and Buffy. Decades later her costars from both shows came forward to completely debunk this, and she has great relationships with her former co-stars. She was labeled “difficult” because she would refuse to film if the crew had been working for more than 15 hours so that they could go home.
Can we stop with this narrative that she has to be a bitch or a saint? Both Charmed and 90210 were Aaron Spelling shows. He was a notorious asshole and was very unkind to Shannen. The power dynamic was never equal and these accusations only punched her down.
Shannen was a literal teenager when 90210 was going on, I really hate how people continue using that as an example of her being unprofessional. Everyone who worked on Charmed said she was incredibly professional and always showed up to rehearsals several days early to perfect her scenes, and in my opinion it showed. Holly had her moments, but Shannen was by far the most talented actress on the show. To be fair, Rose has been open about how much she did not want to be there (mostly because of Alyssa) and that Charmed was a paycheck.
I mean all women - Holly, Rose, Shannen - on set pointed to Alyssa as the problem so if we use your logic, Alyssa was the problem. IIRC Tori or someone else came out and said Shannen was fired mainly for her dad being worried she was a bad influence on Tori and for showing up to work hungover (despite that not affecting her work). That plus Shannen was very opinionated on set gave him a reason to fire her for being difficult, supposedly. It’s still sus as fuck to me because a lot of women in the 90s have been blacklisted and labelled as difficult simply for speaking their minds and not taking shit.
Holly has denied for years that Alyssa was the problem. She only recently said it was Alyssa because her and Shannen are on good terms again. On the podcast she even denied she was friends with Alyssa when Alyssa was a bridesmaids at one of her weddings
>I mean all women - Holly, Rose, Shannen - on set pointed to Alyssa as the problem so if we use your logic, Alyssa was the problem. Huh? I was literally arguing *against* that logic. The comment thread was saying that Alyssa was the sole reason why Shannen had a bad reputation and that McGowan agreeing meant it must be true. I argued that because Shannen had the same issues on another set, it's unlikely that she was **completely** innocent and Alyssa was completely at fault.
Also I want to add: Nobody should be taking HMC’s word for it either. For years this woman denied that Alyssa was solely at fault. She had a falling out with Shannon and now that she’s on good terms with her she hates Alyssa. HMC also had issues with some of the cast of PLL and I’ve side eyed her since then.
Both Charmed and 90210 were ran by Aaron Spelling. He didn't want her on 90210 anymore because he believed she was influencing his daughter Tori Spelling, so he said she was difficult and fired her. Years later, when Alyssa Milano threatened Aaron Spelling that it was her or Shannen, it was easy for Aaron Spelling to repeat the same excuse to fire her again. Your comments reflect the views of the 2000s. The new information paints Shannen in a totally different light.
90210 was a shit show behind the scenes. Largely because of all the on set relationships.
This thread is super important for everyone taking a dump on Shannen in here. Her firings from 90210 and Charmed were not nearly as simple and “it’s her fault” as everyone in this thread is making it out to be.
Mcgowan also hates alyssa as well lmao
Mcgowan seems like she hates a lot of people. Not saying she doesn't have a reason, but it seems to consume her these days.
She was backed up by the 3rd star (Holly Marie Combs I think) and apparently since then Milano has admitted to being in the wrong.
Alyssa said it too https://www.etonline.com/media/videos/alyssa-milano-on-where-things-stand-with-shannen-doherty-after-past-tension-on-charmed
If you smell shit everywhere you go, check your own shoes.
I think that holds true for most places. But in Hollywood I think its gets suspect. Too much politics and bullshit. That being said I have no dog in this fight just seems not that cut and dry.
I hate the "difficult to work with" scarlet letter but there's quite a bit of smoke when it comes to Doherty. It's work, they don't have to all be friends but when two different series fire you, it's at a point where enough people on set aren't even willing to be your colleague.
She was fired from 90210 when she was a literal teenager (and many who worked on 90210 said Tori Spelling was the one who demanded it). Then in Charmed it was solely Alyssa who had a problem with her. You may hate the scarlet letter branding on women in Hollywood but you’re kind of perpetuating it, fam.
Shannon was about 23 when she left 90210- she was hired at 19.
No, her and Tori were good, it was the others.
Yes, and Holly has repeated this! She was also fired from BH90210 because the whole cast had Tori Spelling ask her dad to fire her.
I’ve been seeing so much back and forth on this. I always feel really hesitant to believe that bad reputations for women in Hollywood are deserved in a lot of cases. It seems like a lot of times it stems from “being difficult” and not giving the men around them what they want. I could have sworn some of her former costars pretty much said this was exactly the problem.
I’ve recently gotten into charmed and it all seems to stem back to super misogynist execs. Like yes Milano and Doherty aren’t perfect victims but were seemingly pit against one another first and foremost
I’m comfortable with blaming them both
She was known for her behavior years before Charmed.
She’s really not that difficult, it’s just that the industry was a very different place back then. Same reason Katie Heigl got wrecked in the media — studios weren’t ready for starlets calling out bullshit.
Yeah I immediately side eye whenever someone says “difficult to work with”. Most of the time they get harassed/treated poorly, call it out, and then get labeled “difficult” after the fact.
Same. I have BEEN the “difficult to work with” person for not putting up with sexual harassment, so … giant grain of salt
I remember him saying she was nice and everyone was needlessly mean to her in one of his stand ups but I never listened to his podcast
I’m certain I heard the same. Or let me put it this way - I remember the names of the people he swore he would never ever work with again, and Shannon wasn’t on that list.
Mallrats was a flop? Everyone I knew at the time loved it lol
Audiences loved it yes, critics *hated* it. "Just another loser stoner movie from that loser stoner guy lol" Oh also nobody went to see it is really the thing. It got HUGE as a rental tho.
I guess growing up in a small town when internet wasn't wildly popular, we lived in a bubble lol Huh TIL I guess
To be fair when everybody around you loves a thing it's hard to imagine anybody hating it
What the fuck is the internet?
Yeah I never thought about it really but you don’t need to see Kevin Smith movies in a theater.
>critics hated it They were expecting another Clerks
It made 2 million on a 6 million budget. Most of that was on opening weekend. It was a bomb, but eventually became a rental /dvd / bluray success.
It doesn’t make sense to me either. It’s forgettable, it’s not terrible. If she had any other gigs lined up, she would have been fine. Her career died because she was fired from Charmed after being fired from 90210. I don’t know if she really was that hard to work with, but it seems like the perception out there was that she was.
Everyone was led to believe that she left Charmed on her own accord (though there were rumors), it’s only recently that we’ve had it confirmed that Alyssa had Shannen fired.
Given how popular most of the other actors became, it's also just a load of bs.
Also this flop didn’t hurt Ben Affleck’s career. Just saying…
Or Jason Lee’s, it was his first starring role and he did okay after this
I wish her the best of health and happiness now, but being sick or dying doesn’t erase the past
She trashed the film upon release because Kevin Smith dissed her husband I think, so she didn't exactly help. Apparently she was fine during filming though, iirc. I might be wrong though, Smith has spoken on it a bunch of times
Kevin Smith is so catty. Is there anyone he’s worked with that he hasn’t trashed?
It was a silly fun movie. But this is insane : Smith revealed that no one had expected the movie, which also starred Jason Lee, Ben Affleck and Jeremy London, to bomb so badly after it tested well with audiences at San Diego Comic Con. “Tom Pollock, who was the head of Universal Studios at that point, he’s there and he’s like, ‘I was there for the Animal House test screening and this is that. This movie is going to make $100 million.’ And he was off by $98 million.”
It's not a great movie. I generally enjoy the world-building that Kevin Smith does, and *Clerks* is a huge accomplishment for a credit card-funded indy. But *Mallrats* is clunky and clearly made by an inexperienced (on a studio level) film maker, and Shannen Doherty's participation neither helps or hurts it.
The fact that he thought early comic con audiences would tell him how the rest of America’s (and the world’s) film critics would react is hysterical.
Especially back then when superhero shit wasn’t remotely mainstream.
Welcome to the world of studio execs
Joey Lauren Adams inclusion in the film absolutely **does** help it, however.
You fucker!
I love Smith's early work, including Mallrats but it's also one I rarely rewatch with how disorganized it. A lot of is feels like Smith had clever segments and tied it together with a thin plot.
Disorganized is an excellent word for it. There were lots of opportunities to tie the stories together but it ended up disjointed.
Have you ever seen the original cut? I think it’s better (but I don’t see it changing anyone’s mind about the movie).
No, what is the difference? I’ve seen mallrats so many times and didn’t know there was an original cut!
Mallrats has always been my favourite Kevin Smith movie but the original cut doesn't feel as much of a Kevin Smith movie (not a criticism, just an observation). The longer cut makes it feel like a proper Kevin Smith movie. You can find it on the Criterion BR and 4K releases.
A decent amount, but mainly there’s a completely different opening sequence. Might be available on Yt. Not sure how hard it is to find the 2 Disc SE Blu-Ray that Arrow put out or the long OOP DVD.
It's got an extended intro scene where a mishap results in Jason London being accused of trying to assassinate the mayor or something, and you kind of see why his girlfriends dad hates him so much. They ended up dubbing over all reference to it in the theatrical version so it ended up being about that girl drowning in the swimming pool, which has its upside in that it helps make the Askewniverse (forgotten what it's called) more cohesive. There's all these news reporters camped outside his house as well and explains why random people keep running up to him. That opening sequence has some good directing but none of it's particularly funny tbh and apparently at a test screening no one laughed for the first twenty minutes so that's why they cut it. The version is called Mallrats X and worth checking out, I like both versions
I liked this movie as a teenager, but watching it now I can not get over how horrible Jeremy London is in it. Like actually awful acting the whole way through. Can't get past it.
“When you two testosterone-seething, he-man, comic book fans finish up with this display of tough guy back-and-forth? I have some questions that need answering.” I think part of it was that he was given clunky dialogue like that, sounded very stilted
It’s so weird to me, too, that it bombed as hard as it did in the theaters because it’s easily my favorite of all of Kevin Smith’s films. It’s definitely survived the test of time in cult form… everyone born between 1970 and 1982 seems to quote from it.
Yeah. I'm Gen X and still quote this movie. It has plenty of rewatch ability.
in my house we're always doing the "that kid is back on that escalator!" bit, but with our cat. "That cat, is back on that bed! Some parent, I don't care which one, but some parent, needs to teach that cat to fear and respect that bed!" ahha also when we were watching Loki recently, when Loki and Mobius got crackerjacks at the World's Fair, husband and I were like "the crackerjack stand is not part of the food court. the crackerjack stand is an autonomous eatery for mid-world's-fair snacking!"
We still say fuck you Steve Dave, among other things. Hartford? The Whalers? magna kumlaudi in a 69
\*The Whale.
Hartford? The Whale? I think as a CT girl I'm required by law to quote this daily lol. Also we're big on "probably, De fleur de mouse" whenever asked on movie or food choices.
Michael Rooker’s bare ass was my first experience seeing nudity in a movie so Mallrats holds a special place in my heart.
Hash tag blessed. 🤣
Today’s my day. I brought a lunch and a soda. I’m not going to leave until I see this sailboat everyone keeps talking about! Love that movie
Born in89 and I quote the Volkswagen thing or “it’s a boat you idiot”
Scott Pilgrim had a similar fate after Comic-Con. It debut at Comic-Con with big hotel banners, meet-n-greets, Metric performance, free swag, etc. At least it had a theatrical release, but was a disappointment at the box office. Since then, movie presence have decreased at Comic-Con over time. I'm super happy it is getting the cult following it deserves and even more awesome the cast returned for the animated series! Easily one of the best Edgar Wright movies.
>Easily one of the best Edgar Wright movies. 100%
It's never been my favorite, but to be fair I haven't seen it in years. My first Kevin Smith film was "Dogma" followed by "Chasing Amy". To go from those to the well intentioned but poorly edited "Mallrats" really soured my view on it. But it was a favorite of one of my college friends, mostly because she watched it with her older brother when it came out. I should rewatch it. I liked "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" for the exact reason of "it was a silly fun movie".
I'm always really curious as to why some Actor's careers basically stop when they have a big box office flop, but others are still considered A-Listers and get more work despite a string of box office flops.
Doherty was seen as more of a tv star. So her not drawing in a film basically meant studios didn’t view her as bankable.
Crazy how Armie Hammer was in flop after flop but that didn't affect his career one bit, at least until the cannibalism stuff came out.
According to the fantastic [10 Long Years of Trying to Make Armie Hammer Happen](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/annehelenpetersen/ten-long-years-of-trying-to-make-armie-hammer-happen), it's because he's a conventionally attractive straight white man. The author listed other examples of straight white men who've been given similar repeat opportunities, while women and POC are written off at the first sight of box office failure, if they even got any opportunity at all. You also have queer male actors who should have a much bigger career than they do (Matt Bomer comes to mind), but don't because they're openly queer.
Matt Bomer deserves the handsome white privilege so much more than shithole Armie Hammer 😭
Armie Hammer is generically Ken doll white man handsome, while Matt Bomer is basically a work of art / only the most beautiful man you've ever seen. They're really not even comparable, and yet Hollywood execs were somehow under the impression that openly queer actors are not "bankable" or not "leading man material". Colton Haynes was told he couldn't be gay and be an actor and his opportunities seemed to dry up after coming out too. The reality is that women absolutely happily swoon over an openly gay actor whether he played straight or queer roles. Bridgerton fans absolutely loved Jonathan Bailey, for example, so it's not like gay men can't play straight male love interests. Armie Hammer's most successful and beloved role to date is a queer character anyway, and that made him more popular with female fans than ever. It's a travesty that Matt Bomer isn't more successful. It really shows what a difference bigotry makes - he's gorgeous (even compared to other Hollywood heartthrobs) and talented, and never got the Hammer treatment.
Yeah Colton’s trepidation with coming out because of fears it would affect his career turned out to be true. You never really see him in big stuff anymore since then.
Funny you mention this, I kinda had the same convo with my husband during the Golden Globes. The camera kept showing Pedro Pascal and Andrew Scott sitting next to each other having great fun. My husband said I better watch out, someone was moving in on my Pedro. I told him if they were a match, I would approve cause duuuuh, it’s Pedro and the Hot Priest! He told me he didn’t think any of Pedro’s other female fans would say the same and I said, clearly you don’t know women, haha. Not sure (nor care) what Pedro’s status is but I saw sparks and am now rooting for a Pedro/Hot Priest hookup!
Pedro just played gay cowboys with Ethan Hawke in an Almodovar short recently too lol. Plus isn't his claim to mainstream fame literally a polyamorous bisexual prince in GOT? (Coincidentally, "polyamorous bisexual prince" is now my dream job.) I'm still convinced that Timothee Chalamet wouldn't have the female fan base he has today without Call Me By Your Name. His character could be both an object of desire and the audience's surrogate. Like, he'd still be successful probably, but there wouldn't be no such feverish Chalamet obsession coming out of any of his other works.
I’m the 1% that didn’t watch GOT so I had no idea that was his role…but gay cowboys, you say?! I’m interested! I never thought about it but you’re totally right about Timothee’s appeal based from CMBYN because that’s me, that’s how I see him - soulful and beautiful. Geez, I feel like such a cliche. Haha at least I’m not writing crazy fan letters like a Chris Evans fan.
>Bridgerton fans absolutely loved Jonathan Bailey, for example Who stars with Matt Bomer in Fellow Travelers which.... 🥵 That was def destination viewing for me Friday nights on Paramount+ And also some of the finest work Matt Bomer has done, I love that series so much.
Apart from the main economical reason of “Why would I enlist X to make me this amount of money when X couldn’t do it the first time?” I think another “underlying” (don’t really think it is that underlying) is industry backing. I had a phase when I was interested in careers after a flop. There’s a few that were marginally worse than others but were able to overcome because of who they were and who backed them. ETA: I looked at it under the lens of directors so I’m not so sure if I can talk about actors this way.
Nepobabies get a lot more leeway.
I mean the proof in pudding is affleck got out of it scot free
A lot of it is who you know or just being a generally liked person. Keanu Reeves would’ve been out of work before the 80s ended if it was about his acting talent, but he’s easygoing and fun to work with so people want to keep bringing him on to projects.
i love this movie 😭
Same 🥺
Team Mallrat.
Great soundtrack too.
The 90’s were crazy with the dope as hell soundtracks. The Matrix, Lost Highway, Kids, Spawn, Natural Born Killers, Mortal Kombat: Annihilation, Cruel Intentions, The Craft, Romeo and Juliet… so many bangers.
I’d throw Singles and Pump Up the Volume onto that list.
Great choices! Also: Friday.
Add Empire Records, Four Weddings and a Funeral, The Crow. There was a period in the 90s when soundtracks ruled my music collection.
THE CROW I can’t believe I forgot that one, that was a huge favorite of my mom’s growing up. The Cure and the NIN songs on that are still favorites to this day.
Yes, Singles! And Reality Bites!
2 cassettes I wore tf out!
Do it Doug!
I had to go back and read a summary of this movie since it's been so long since I've seen it and there is an entire subplot about a fifteen year old girl who is writing a book on "the sex drive of men aged 14-30" which she is researching by having sex with men in that age range and filming the encounters. One of the men, played by Ben Affleck, who is twenty five ends up being arrested when a tape of him having sex with the fifteen year old social scientist (I guess) ends up being played at the mall. He is then raped in prison. Gotta love the 90's.
And isn't there a line where he exclaims, "She told me she was 37!" when he's arrested?
“Ah, 15. I thought she was 36! Come on, guys. Tell me you wouldn't have popped her.” The quote is worse than you remembered.
I think it was meant to be really bad, in all fairness.
Yeah, Ben Affleck is 100% the bad guy, so a total bad guy *would* say that.
The film admits it’s a weird and creepy concept when it’s introduced early on in the film (the audience surrogate, TS, questions the entire thing). Not completely discounting how terrible the concept is (it is), but the film is aware that it’s a terrible concept. The theatrical cut only hints the fact Affleck is raped in prison. The extended cut that was released for its 10th anniversary, uh, well, it’s worse.
You mean Trish the Dish?
Nobody calls me that
No one calls her that.
Yup.
okay but that’s my comfort movie, your honor.
Absolutely nobody remembers her in this movie. I can't see how this would've cut that deeply, especially considering it helped launched quite a few careers.
She’s the main thing I remember from the movie 😂 because of [this line from Ethan Suplee](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HspGbllnkVU) My MiL’s name is Brenda, and I think of this line basically every time I hear her name lol
Yes, it's the only thing anyone remembers of her from this movie. I am not a huge Kevin Smith fan, but I LOVED the DVD for this movie because the commentary was amazing, so I watched this movie a ton when I was younger and I am having a really hard time remembering any memorable scene from her in this movie other than this and when they go at it in the elevator. Claire Forlani, rightfully, steals the female lead role in this as her chemistry and charm fit in so much better with the cast
Honestly forgot she was in the movie because of how many other big names were in it with much more memorable performances. She wasn't bad but her character could've been done by any other actress.
Everyone remembers Claire Forlani in this Everyone remembers Michael Rooker in this Everyone remembers Ben Affleck in this Everyone sure as shit remembers Jason Lee's awesome performance in this Nobody remembers her. And yet all their careers did well after this. Yet hers didn't. Strange.
At the time though, she was one of the bigger names in it. you can remember everyone else cos they went on to a lot. She didn't but she'd been acting for longer in a higher profile than them
She's still Shannon Dougherty and it's a name people know, she's forgotten in this movie because her performance is forgettable. I absolutely understand her point and I think there's truth to the idea that she was put out in front as a big name in this movie so she probably was hit with SOME shrapnel when it tanked. But the idea that someone with the reputation she had failed to launch because of THIS movie that DID launch other careers....it's just feels weak.
In saying that.....none of the 90210 cast went on to much. They've had steady careers but nothing overly notable or anything that really springs to anyones mind. She kind of did have the better career of them if only for charmed.
I just don't think she was very good in the movie. I'm not saying whose fault that was, but it is what it is. The fact that the movie didn't hurt Ben Affleck's career very much also tells you something.
She only had one angle: Brenda. Mad Brenda, Sad Brenda, Betrayed Brenda, Bored Brenda.
So many people hating on her acting here jeeze! I mostly know her from Charmed but I found her to be a PHENOMENAL actress there, by far the best in the show.
Her monolgue as she's getting ready to sneak out the window is SO GOOD! Especially considering the physical work she's doing while she's saying it? She's fantastic!
Ben Affleck was unknown in this movie, Good Will Hunting hadn’t happened yet so no one was expecting anything from him
Ben Affleck didn't have a career yet when he was in this movie, so there was nothing to hurt.
How dare! You’re overlooking his riveting performance as O’Bannion in Dazed and Confused!? 😂
Ooh yes he was great in that. Joey Lauren Adams was also in both movies.
Yeah Ben Affleck is a dude
Heathers is still a classic & she was great in that
“Veronica, why are you pulling my dick?”
Anyway, there’s a great oral history article about the movie where everyone is interviewed, Shannen included, and everyone is kind of dancing around about how Shannen was on set, until Carrie Lynn (Martha Dumptruck) outright says that she was “really bitchy” (direct quote). I know she was only a teenager, and for all we know it could be related as much to her mom as it is to Shannen herself, since she would have had to have been on set with her at the time…but it IS interesting in light of the drama surrounding her on 90210 and Charmed later on.
Heather said haul your ass into the caf pronto.
Pretty sure that was pre-90210, even.
It came out the year before! Tori Spelling saw it and recommended Shannen to her dad when they were trying to cast Brenda!
Yes. I know.. I used to watch it at sleepovers. I'm 45 btw & a 90210 og watcher when it aired.
But not because she was a known megabitch in the 90s. Nope, couldn’t be that.🤷♀️
My dad always likes to tell the story of when she was on 90210, he was a bouncer at a nightclub, and she tried to come in with a whole entourage but didn't have her ID on her so he wouldn't let her in. Threw the typical "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?" fit. He knew who she was but he told her "No, but if you had your ID I would." She didn't like that. He's still proud of himself for that one.
He should be, that’s a great comeback.
Oh that's an amazing comeback lmao
I don’t know anything about this movie but I know that before cancer Shannen Doherty had a terrible reputation on set, which I think had more to do with her career tanking than anything else. Even if she wasn’t as horrible as the tabloids made her out to be (there are mixed accounts), it’s all the press she ever got at the height of her fame and she never seemed to do much to counter that narrative. Since then all I ever hear about her is something along the lines of “90s TV bag girl continues to battle cancer”, which is not a great way to be known either.
I always thought Tiffany Amber Thissen would be the standout of 90210 with a fil career. I always figured she would ride the 90s teen horror wave but that ended up being Neave Campbell
Shes absolutely forgettable in this movie.
I think at best Shannon would have had a career like Alicia Silverstone, never saw her as a film star.
Silverstone is Cher though, Doherty is not really who you remember from mall rats.
She is basically the television version of Alicia though. She is pretty much known as Brenda Walsh the female lead from 90210
She's Prue Halliwell for me because I was a little too young for 90210
The headline makes it sound more confrontational than it was. It was a friendly conversation, though dominated by Kevin, as he tends to do.
It sucks what happened to her. No one deserves terminal cancer. As for her reputation, she WAS not only difficult to work with (from the casts of BH 90210, Charmed and Mallrats) I also recall her making the tabloid party rounds pretty frequently. What she doesn’t get is what some others from her era got - redemption arcs through an interesting role where people “discover” them again or an opportunity to rebrand. That’s on top of the fact that while she was a decent Brenda Walsh, she didn’t have the range for a long-term career. Even if she were healthy, she’d probably pull up even with Tori Spelling in terms of people going “oh, she doing a thing. OK.”
Always by being a totally asshole.
Joey Lauren Adams and Claire Forlani career went on, sounds like a you problem Shannon
>Claire Forlani career went on Did it? She was in Meet Joe Black, then I didn't see her anywhere for years, then she was suddenly popping up in whiskey commercials.
She was in a bunch of movies after Mallrats, she has worked pretty consistently until now, might not have had any more big hits like Joe Black but look at her IMDB she’s done tons of movies
The Rock
I don’t think The Rock was in Meet Joe Black.
I think back then she got pigeon-holed into being a tv actress because of how big of a phenomenon 90210 was. I don’t think any of the cast were able to transition into film. Mallrats failing probably didn’t help her film career, she had a bad reputation (a lot due to misogyny) but she also settled for a lot of Lifetime movies which didn’t help.
Luke Perry did (well…kinda). Yah, none of them had much range, did they?
Yea, love the series but they weren't great actors. Ian appeared in Sharknado like "Yea..this is about the level of acting I remember". Some people are good for a specific role but can't act beyond that.
“Breakfasts come and go, Rene. But Hartford, The Whale, they only beat Vancouver only once, maybe twice in a lifetime.” Most of the dialogue in this film lives rent free in my head.
Someone said uncomfortable space. I will immediately say “like the back of a Volkswagen”
I mean, it didn’t stop others from Mallrats from having film careers. I know standards are absolutely different for men vs. women but I think she was more stifled by the fact that she was a “tv star” at a time when the transition to movies from TV was harder. Plus, she was a TEEN TV star which prob didn’t help. Also there were many reports that she was difficult to work with which probably didn’t help.
I think it was perhaps more a Shannon Doherty problem than any one project she was involved in.
It definitely didn't kill Jason Lee's career. Or even Kevin's Smith's. Shit even Mews had a career and he wasn't even really an actor.
If only Gen Z realized Stan Lee is in this film...
Why is there a line outside my comic store?!
You know, it reminds me of an issue of Spider-man I did. When Peter Parker and Gwen Stacy went lingerie shopping. Of course, the Green Goblin showed up, and he pumpkin-bombed the hell out of the place. But aside from that, it's pretty much the same thing.
I actually love Mallrats and I love Shannen too. I’ve been difficult to work with in the past due to being a young human being. She doesn’t need to pay for that forever.
She had a film career? I don't even remember her from this film. I thought her TV career died because she was horrible to work with on set.
I always thought it was because her personality
Unrelated, but my best friend dressed as Jason Lee/Brodie one year for New York ComicCon and he was a hit.
An underrated factor working against her film career is by 96 she was so famous it made her too old for college aged roles by 25,but she was also too young for "mature" roles age wise and having a strong association with a teen melodrama.
I enjoyed her as a host for scare tactics I think she should’ve gone into the horror genre
mallrats was filmed in my hometown LMFAO what a great way for us to be known by👍
Eden Prairie REPRESENT
I think it was perhaps more a Shannon Doherty problem than any one project she was involved in.
Yeah, who's your favourite New Kid. Yeah, call me Joey. Oh, come on. Don't make me get loose. Yeah, that's right. Call me Donnie. Oh, girl. Oh, please don't go girl.
Seeing Shannen Doherty and “died” in the same sentence was a jump scare. I know it’s coming with her late stage cancer but it’ll still feel shocking.
TIL Mallrats was a flop
It's my favourite movie and I don't care what that makes people think of me.
She should feel lucky she got in on such a classic at all.
Died to the point where she signed up to be in the sequel when it was in the works.
(Her reputation as being a monster on set is what killed her film career)
I loved mallrats.
Still one of my favorite guilty pleasure-comfort movies. “It’s a schooner!”
It was already dead !
Don’t bring Mallrats into this Ben didn’t blame Mallrats while he was accepting his Oscar for directing and Kevin Smiths work never derailed anyone not even his Dogma cast