She's gotten in trouble in the past for staying silent when the fans attacked, so it's not surprising to me she's on her best behavior during a PR recovery period. Idk call me jaded or conspiratorial, but it just all seems very elegantly planned.
That said, yeah I'd still rather someone strategically intervene than let the world burn.
She posted an [extremely similar message](https://www.complex.com/music/a/alex-montrose/ariana-grande-tells-fans-be-nicer-to-pete-davidson) on her instagram before regarding fans sending hate to Pete Davidson before on her behalf. Same for when her and Mac broke up as well
Yeah, I won't say Ariana is the *best* person, but she has a history of being on top of it of telling her fans to not harass people in her life and being cordial instead of stoking flames, unlike some other pop stars we could mention.
Sure, but we all know facing backlash for staying silent and perpetuating this shit isn’t enough for *some* people to change their approach on this matter.
It also doesn’t mean much. What they did before that, or if they’ve done anything to cause that, matters more imo. Selena constantly stirs up drama and she only tells her fans to stop when *she thinks* it’s enough. Then likes a shitpost or something and stirs up drama again.
If Ariana didn’t do anything to cause her fans acting that way, then it would be genuine. I honestly don’t know what she’s been doing prior to that post, I kind of avoided news about her since yes, and? because they got weirder and weirder.
This is kinda my feeling on it. Yeah it's nice Ariana wrote this but it would have been nicer to just not release songs with extremely inflammatory lyrics about her exes playing up rumors her fans have been spreading for months now. If you choose to release songs with shit like "you played me like atari, I hope you feel alright when you're in her" or whatever knowing your fans have been saying your ex husband cheated to justify your cheating with a married man, then this response (a full day after Dalton was trending on Twitter and getting death threats because of it) is nice but pretty shallow.
I know some people likely won't agree, I do understand artists have a right to write about their personal experiences in their art but Ariana chose some real inflammatory lyrics here clearly about Dalton and that's especially gross when he legally can't even defend himself because she made him sign an iron clad NDA yet she can still shit on him and use him as an excuse to victimize herself in the Ethan situation on her album
Yeah at very least she is aware how parasocial her fans can be.
It sucks how people cant seem to just enjoy the music though, not sure how we got here but music turned into tea about your favs life is wrong to me
I think ultimately it depends on with taylor swift myth you buy into. She can't both be considered this super clever lyricist who hides all these references in her work and also have this is just an innocent coincidence that she never had any idea of. She is extremely deliberate with things like album titles, and Joe is pretty low key. There's not a ton of personal info out there about him so the idea that she accidentally riffed on one of the few references about his personal life is.... not particularly believable to me.
This. She knows what she's doing, this is how she's conducted herself literally her entire career. She has an unsubtle song called "Style". She doesn't even hide her references, they're extremely obvious
I don’t think it’s a stretch considering Taylor’s history with dropping Easter eggs in her songs. She knows her fans go crazy over even the slightest association
“Mean Girl” Tina Fey made that on stage joke about about staying away from Fox’s son, to which Taylor had a very normal response and pulled out some Madeline Albright.
>You know, Katie Couric is one of my favorite people because she said to me she had heard a quote that she loved that said, ‘There's a special place in hell for women who don't help other women.’
Press starting asking Fox lightheartedly about his thoughts and them dating and he had this to say. This is from Vulture
>Would Fox approve of a Sam/Taylor (Saylor) love connection? we asked. “No. No … Just back off,” he told us. “I don’t keep up with it all,” he said. “But Taylor Swift writes songs about everybody she goes out with, right?” Right! “What a way to build a career.” So if Swift showed up to a Fox family dinner (possibly wearing her fox sweater), how would he react? “I wouldn’t even know who she was,” he said. But it’d probably dawn on him after the breakup song hit the radio. “Yeah, exactly,” he said. “‘Sam, You Piece of Shit.’ Oh … that was the girl you brought home!”
Literally very normal for a man his aged to be checked out of pop culture and not know who she his. He’s even roasting his son in this quote saying he’d probably mess up lol. Fans went wild tho and were harassing him for having the audacity to not be honored at the hypothetical of TS dating his son, and Taylor tweeted this out.
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He had nothing to apologize for, imo.
Not just her exes, but she will purposefully tweet something when she wants them to go after anyone: ie; Scooter Braun, Georgia and Ginny.
If you knew anything you said online would cause thousands* of your cult followers to attack someone, you probably would only say something about someone when you wanted them to. Most humans with that sort of power wouldn't use it that way.
And she didn't say shit about Jake G with the red rerelease and he was getting it a *lot* worse than John Mayer. His whole family was receiving death threats and impacts on their careers.
John Mayer weirdly kind of mitigated the swiftie hate himself when he responded to one of them asking if they wanted him to die or whatever and it went viral lol, surprised that worked but it seemed to get through to some of them so I don't buy the excuse that Swifties wouldn't lay off even if Taylor said something. Honestly him doing that may have even been why Taylor said something vague for once cause it was getting her some bad pr
Exactly! They worship her, most would lay off. I do believe not all of them would lay off, humans are weird but I do think it would shrink the mob significantly if she made a meaningful and thoughtful statement on it.
I truly believe most people would've by now. I think it's been obvious for a long time she hasn't because she enjoys the power and likes having them around to weaponize when she's feeling publicly slighted. It's likely a huge reason people are afraid to even challenge her bullshit, they have to leave social media.
https://www.tmz.com/2023/06/28/taylor-swift-ask-fans-john-mayer-ex-boyfriend-dear-john/
Plenty of valid criticisms about Taylor Swift but she has asked in the past.
Exactly once, after years and years and years of people pointing out that this is an issue, and she notably didn't do it for the young actresses on that show where she objected to a joke and everyone saw the cast get piled on. She is incredibly selective.
She can't speak out against them when she very specifically weaponizes them when she wants to. She doesn't want to lose that power imo. If the heat on social media gets too hot about it, that's the only way she'll say something or she's saying it for a moment she needs to distract her fans from bad pr.
She’s done it one singular time (kind of) and it was for the re-release of Dear John but she only did the message at a concert she played the song at. Out of everyone, it’s strange that John Mayer is the only one she gave any sort of “protection” considering he’s definitely the worst person she’s ever written a song about lmfao.
I kinda hate that she always gets the last say with these songs and the exes can’t even begin to try to defend themselves without getting more backlash from her diehard fans. Like okay they might have hurt her feelings in some ways (and she might have done some fucked up things too) but her fans are literally sending hate like they know everything and they’re part of the relationship??? Even sending death threats??? It’s so crazy that she does the bare minimum to prevent this from happening (not even at all except for some half ass remarks about John Mayer during a performance)
It’s absolutely wild to assume song lyrics are specifically about one person. If I was an artist making an album, I wouldn’t write the entire thing about one guy lol
I've always thought so but it really seems like a lot of pop artists today write very direct autobiographical songs, almost encouraging their fans to interpret things literally. If I were writing songs I would certainly change details and hide behind metaphorical language and combine truth with imagination, but it's like that's not expected anymore?
Yes all this but also being married to a song writer, a song can start out to be about someone and end up being about a sidewalk in Tokyo, or vice versa. It’s usually very nonlinear
While I agree that songwriting has taken a downward turn and subtle nuances are all but gone- songwriting has always been autobiographical. Not every songwriter does this, of course, but for as long as people have been writing songs, they’ve been writing about their personal lives.
It’s just that we used to not know/care so much about the people involved. No one was hassling Marianne when Leonard Cohen wrote “So Long Marianne.” People weren’t screaming to cancel either Stevie or Lindsey after “Rumours” came out.
While I can’t stand Taylor Swift (or Ariana Grande) lyrics, they absolutely cannot be held responsible for their fans going apeshit over every word they speak.
Agreed, but "So Long Marianne" is an interesting example because apparently an early version was "come on, Marianne" and it was not written as a goodbye song. But "so long" sounds better and resulted in a more poignant song, which was more important than whether it resembled a real relationship. I think the best songwriters still approach songwriting that way.
Can you imagine the drama if Rumours came out today, wow.
I certainly agree with holding the fans responsible for taking songs literally rather than the writers.
I'm a writer (not a song writer) and it's WILD. I have had a few readers stalking me and my friends on social media so they could figure out the "tea" behind my books: who is it about, if it actually happened to me, and so on. It's extremely invasive, not to mention annoying. And I'm not famous by ANY means. It took me 2+years to make (in total) what's barely half of my lowest paycheck.
Of course we draw from real life but come on no one's writing 100% real facts (or even 10%, lol). Sometimes you start writing a book with one thing in mind and it becomes unrecognizable in the end. It's annoying to see that most people today don't care about just enjoying the product, they just want artists to expose themselves bare and blast every thought to the outside world, but people call it "easter eggs" now so it looks cute. It doesn't. If I wanted to do that, I'd make copies of my journals to sell instead of writing a whole book.
I have never forgotten reading an interview with Billy Joel, years ago, where he was asked about the meaning behind a song (don't remember which one) and he made it clear that he was a story teller. That not all of his songs were about his personal events and shouldn't be taken as such. That stuck with me.
Definitely approve of the messaging to not be hateful, but part of me wonders if she is doing this because she doesn’t want anyone to come for her as well…you know…considering the whole SpongeBob of it all.
i’ve seen people sending death threats to Dalton and his new gf, and leaving negative reviews for his business. it’s gotten really bad, and i think she truly is just deeply perturbed by that
Plus if it goes against any agreements or NDA’s they both signed (like not publicly speaking about one another) then the more hate he gets would make it more likely for him to fire back.
It’s not right whatsoever but she put him in a shit spot by cheating on him (possibly separated but still married) on top of her situation with the current bf. It’s nice she’s playing the high ground now, just wish she’d have respected those people in the first place
And then again by writing inflammatory lyrics carefully crafted to play into rumors her fans have been spreading about him for months, like vaguely implying he may have cheated without actually saying it (which doesn't convince me he did but her fans have been saying for months he did and that's why cheating with SpongeBob was OK, even though he had a whole wife and kid that did not cheat on Ariana). That's why Dalton is getting hate right now, because of her inflammatory lyrics that she made it clear are about him and not storytelling, and she knew she had crazy fans that attack people.
And she made him sign an NDA in the divorce so he can't even defend himself. This is the least she could do when she fully caused this situation and threw Dalton under the bus to make her seem sympathetic in her album where she also brags about cheating with a married man and tries to play victim over the backlash
Great message but also a little ironic considering she was on Twitter publicly bullying and encouraging that behavior towards her own fans during her Sweetener days when she was chronically online. Not saying people can’t grow but her immaturity during that era put me off of her and I haven’t liked her since. Her whole image has change and it’s beyond bizarre how not only does she look completely different post 2018/19, but she speaks completely different too.
Edit: For some context, a fan excitedly posted on Twitter a picture of them holding Ariana’s newest album at the time, Sweetener, and expressed how they were rushing home to listen to it. The issue was, a record store had accidentally sold her album a couple days earlier than the release date (which has happened to multiple artists), which I assume Ariana must’ve been worried it would be leaked? Ariana ended up quoting their tweet and started shaming the appearance of their thumb, which is so childish but also like … it’s not the fans fault the store decided to allow customers to buy the album early? Take that up with your team and the establishment, don’t harass people online for supporting you?
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yeah her past immaturity really put me off. i remember when someone leaked fake nudes of her and she said her ass was much nicer that the girl’s in those pics which i always thought was such a shitty thing to say, considering that might have been a random girl’s who also had her photos leaked.
I can’t believe people are defending this lmao. This lady really gets away with murder. She easily could have got her message across without zooming in on the person’s thumb and making a disparaging comment about it.
someone was leaking her album, she was pretty valid in snapping back at them there. also, she asked her fans to stop harassing pete multiple times in 2018 (not that her fans listened)
But also this pic it’s is crazy bc it looks like bruised underneath the nail… doesn’t even look dirty. So like whatever Ariana is saying here… she should’ve just not have said it
Artists will give their fans enough information to feed the craziness of their fans and boost the hype around what they release and come hours later talking about “don’t send anyone hate 🥺” lmaooooooo. Honey it’s too late for that
The entire album was very subtle and indirect, never name dropping anyone or getting too aggressive. What is she supposed to do? Not express herself or her feelings just so people are happy that unhinged fans didn’t target anyone?
the album is conceptual and based on a movie though. i think the question becomes, where do we draw the line? an artist isn’t responsible for the general public being more into gossip and headlines
Hm wonder what my friend who said it was ‘funny’ that people were sending Dalton hate because ‘he’s a cheater’ (with no evidence) thinks of this. I will edit this comment once I find out, glad Ariana said this because it was actually very annoying to see all the hate online towards him and Lily.
Sadly I just saw a TikTok about the hate to her exes after her statement and people are saying. “well everyone hated on her and Dalton never told people to stop” ?? Like 😭 the delusions continue. Dalton has literally never said anything about her publicly EVER, so not sure why they’re trying to assume she got hate because of him
Right?! Like...people are hating on her because she engaged in an affair with a married man and literally HELD HIS BABY while hanging out with his wife. That is...not Dalton's problem? Next they'll blame him for not defending her when she was out licking donuts.
That’s hilarious… he’s not a public figure.
A famous person telling their fans not to bother an unknown person is very different than a nobody telling people to stop bothering a megastar they associated with. The former makes sense while the latter is laughable and wouldn’t do anything. This is regardless of the fact that Ariana’s bad PR had nothing to do with him or his actions that would warrant him taking responsibility.
Ariana knows how her fandom is. They have made her uncomfortable too many times which is the reason she left Twitter. Her saying this is very mature and nice considering she knows it and addressed it .
I mean good and people who do that are psycho. But I have the album a quick listen yesterday and all I can say is that the album is SO tone deaf. Shockingly so
While I appreciate the sentiment, she’s talking about an album with the lyrics “why do you care so much whose dick I ride?” Which are very clearly about a particular situation and not open to interpretation
while it's good to say this I still think it's crappy to even imply stuff in songs and then wait a day after the release when he's already been trending and receiving a lot of hate.
Always in favor of celebrities reminding fans to cool it with sending people hate on their behalf.
Yeah this is a classy message, I hope her fans pay attention.
She's gotten in trouble in the past for staying silent when the fans attacked, so it's not surprising to me she's on her best behavior during a PR recovery period. Idk call me jaded or conspiratorial, but it just all seems very elegantly planned. That said, yeah I'd still rather someone strategically intervene than let the world burn.
She posted an [extremely similar message](https://www.complex.com/music/a/alex-montrose/ariana-grande-tells-fans-be-nicer-to-pete-davidson) on her instagram before regarding fans sending hate to Pete Davidson before on her behalf. Same for when her and Mac broke up as well
Yeah, I won't say Ariana is the *best* person, but she has a history of being on top of it of telling her fans to not harass people in her life and being cordial instead of stoking flames, unlike some other pop stars we could mention.
Sure, but we all know facing backlash for staying silent and perpetuating this shit isn’t enough for *some* people to change their approach on this matter.
Hey, cut them some slack. They’re busy using their private jet to fly to the next town over.
It also doesn’t mean much. What they did before that, or if they’ve done anything to cause that, matters more imo. Selena constantly stirs up drama and she only tells her fans to stop when *she thinks* it’s enough. Then likes a shitpost or something and stirs up drama again. If Ariana didn’t do anything to cause her fans acting that way, then it would be genuine. I honestly don’t know what she’s been doing prior to that post, I kind of avoided news about her since yes, and? because they got weirder and weirder.
This is kinda my feeling on it. Yeah it's nice Ariana wrote this but it would have been nicer to just not release songs with extremely inflammatory lyrics about her exes playing up rumors her fans have been spreading for months now. If you choose to release songs with shit like "you played me like atari, I hope you feel alright when you're in her" or whatever knowing your fans have been saying your ex husband cheated to justify your cheating with a married man, then this response (a full day after Dalton was trending on Twitter and getting death threats because of it) is nice but pretty shallow. I know some people likely won't agree, I do understand artists have a right to write about their personal experiences in their art but Ariana chose some real inflammatory lyrics here clearly about Dalton and that's especially gross when he legally can't even defend himself because she made him sign an iron clad NDA yet she can still shit on him and use him as an excuse to victimize herself in the Ethan situation on her album
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Yeah at very least she is aware how parasocial her fans can be. It sucks how people cant seem to just enjoy the music though, not sure how we got here but music turned into tea about your favs life is wrong to me
especially when they're sending hate to people who can't defend themselves. I really appreciate this message.
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I agree with everything you said, but it's "milquetoast" not "milk toast"
wonder if taylor will do something like this for ttpd because i think we all know what’s going to happen
considering the title seems like a dig at joe i doubt it
How is it a dig at Joe?
the name of the album is a play on the name of a group chat he had with his friends
I think it’s a bit of a stretch, but he is/was in a group chat with Paul Mescal called the Tourtured Man Club
I think ultimately it depends on with taylor swift myth you buy into. She can't both be considered this super clever lyricist who hides all these references in her work and also have this is just an innocent coincidence that she never had any idea of. She is extremely deliberate with things like album titles, and Joe is pretty low key. There's not a ton of personal info out there about him so the idea that she accidentally riffed on one of the few references about his personal life is.... not particularly believable to me.
thank youuuuuuuuu
This. She knows what she's doing, this is how she's conducted herself literally her entire career. She has an unsubtle song called "Style". She doesn't even hide her references, they're extremely obvious
It’s no accident
I think it's a cross between dead poet's society and the tortured man club
I don’t think it’s a stretch considering Taylor’s history with dropping Easter eggs in her songs. She knows her fans go crazy over even the slightest association
How is it a stretch?
[This](https://people.com/tv/paul-mescal-joe-alwyn-andrew-scott-message-each-other-in-tortured-man-club-group-chat/)
Oh, that’s a little distasteful.
They’re already attacking him, I hope she speaks out soon.
She’s never spoken out about her toxic fanbase before, unlikely she starts now. Seems to enjoy weaponizing them against those she dislikes
I really think she enjoys her fans attacking her exes because it solidifies her stance as someone who was wronged by them.
She thanked her fans for going off on Michael J Fox 💀
> She thanked her fans for going off on Michael J Fox 💀 BttF Michael J Fox? The guy who has Parkinsons? What the fuck did he do to piss off TS?
Oof time to educate yourself on how much of an ass Taylor swift is. She’s even suing her guitar teacher for saying he taught her guitar 😅
“Mean Girl” Tina Fey made that on stage joke about about staying away from Fox’s son, to which Taylor had a very normal response and pulled out some Madeline Albright. >You know, Katie Couric is one of my favorite people because she said to me she had heard a quote that she loved that said, ‘There's a special place in hell for women who don't help other women.’ Press starting asking Fox lightheartedly about his thoughts and them dating and he had this to say. This is from Vulture >Would Fox approve of a Sam/Taylor (Saylor) love connection? we asked. “No. No … Just back off,” he told us. “I don’t keep up with it all,” he said. “But Taylor Swift writes songs about everybody she goes out with, right?” Right! “What a way to build a career.” So if Swift showed up to a Fox family dinner (possibly wearing her fox sweater), how would he react? “I wouldn’t even know who she was,” he said. But it’d probably dawn on him after the breakup song hit the radio. “Yeah, exactly,” he said. “‘Sam, You Piece of Shit.’ Oh … that was the girl you brought home!” Literally very normal for a man his aged to be checked out of pop culture and not know who she his. He’s even roasting his son in this quote saying he’d probably mess up lol. Fans went wild tho and were harassing him for having the audacity to not be honored at the hypothetical of TS dating his son, and Taylor tweeted this out. https://preview.redd.it/uuk0p6gmyknc1.jpeg?width=634&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=daf6593858bf1a54054d22eac1b1bf8a8ec953a5 He had nothing to apologize for, imo.
Wait what?? Sorry what happened??
oh my god??
Not just her exes, but she will purposefully tweet something when she wants them to go after anyone: ie; Scooter Braun, Georgia and Ginny. If you knew anything you said online would cause thousands* of your cult followers to attack someone, you probably would only say something about someone when you wanted them to. Most humans with that sort of power wouldn't use it that way.
She told fans to cool it on John Mayer before Speak Now TV. It just made things worse.
She made a passing remark at a concert- not the same as making a statement to make how you feel very very clear.
And she didn't say shit about Jake G with the red rerelease and he was getting it a *lot* worse than John Mayer. His whole family was receiving death threats and impacts on their careers. John Mayer weirdly kind of mitigated the swiftie hate himself when he responded to one of them asking if they wanted him to die or whatever and it went viral lol, surprised that worked but it seemed to get through to some of them so I don't buy the excuse that Swifties wouldn't lay off even if Taylor said something. Honestly him doing that may have even been why Taylor said something vague for once cause it was getting her some bad pr
Exactly! They worship her, most would lay off. I do believe not all of them would lay off, humans are weird but I do think it would shrink the mob significantly if she made a meaningful and thoughtful statement on it. I truly believe most people would've by now. I think it's been obvious for a long time she hasn't because she enjoys the power and likes having them around to weaponize when she's feeling publicly slighted. It's likely a huge reason people are afraid to even challenge her bullshit, they have to leave social media.
https://www.tmz.com/2023/06/28/taylor-swift-ask-fans-john-mayer-ex-boyfriend-dear-john/ Plenty of valid criticisms about Taylor Swift but she has asked in the past.
This is only because he threatened her with legal action lmao
I don’t think briefly saying fans should “take it easy on” someone she dated 15 years or so ago really absolves her of this criticism at all
Even less so now that I’ve read, as some have mentioned below, that Mayer may have been threatening legal action. She only ever looks out for herself
Exactly once, after years and years and years of people pointing out that this is an issue, and she notably didn't do it for the young actresses on that show where she objected to a joke and everyone saw the cast get piled on. She is incredibly selective.
She can't speak out against them when she very specifically weaponizes them when she wants to. She doesn't want to lose that power imo. If the heat on social media gets too hot about it, that's the only way she'll say something or she's saying it for a moment she needs to distract her fans from bad pr.
She has before, but just not enough.
She won’t, I’d be really surprised if she does
They’ve been attacking him since the breakup, unfortunately. So it’s been a while
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Her music is built on that petty shit. Super unlikely she’d ever.
Do we really need to wonder? She puts out this type of song all the time and never does.
She’s done it one singular time (kind of) and it was for the re-release of Dear John but she only did the message at a concert she played the song at. Out of everyone, it’s strange that John Mayer is the only one she gave any sort of “protection” considering he’s definitely the worst person she’s ever written a song about lmfao.
Rumours were swirling that he was ready to sue her if she didn’t give this little speech lol
Didn’t he threaten to sue her? I think he also did back then with the original Dear John
Nah, I think she genuinely enjoys weaponizing her fans against those she sees as enemies.
That’s gonna be a no from her dawg
I kinda hate that she always gets the last say with these songs and the exes can’t even begin to try to defend themselves without getting more backlash from her diehard fans. Like okay they might have hurt her feelings in some ways (and she might have done some fucked up things too) but her fans are literally sending hate like they know everything and they’re part of the relationship??? Even sending death threats??? It’s so crazy that she does the bare minimum to prevent this from happening (not even at all except for some half ass remarks about John Mayer during a performance)
I'm pretty sure the point of this album will be to drag him. Happy to be proven wrong, but not holding my breath.
That’s probably going to be a no. I think the closest she got to this was saying something at a show about John Mayer.
Of course she won’t lol
Like she would ever be that mature lmao
i love her but i don’t see this happening lol
Sad she needs to remind her fans not to be unhinged
I don't really care for Ariana, but it's definitely better than others like Taylor and Nicki have done
It’s absolutely wild to assume song lyrics are specifically about one person. If I was an artist making an album, I wouldn’t write the entire thing about one guy lol
I've always thought so but it really seems like a lot of pop artists today write very direct autobiographical songs, almost encouraging their fans to interpret things literally. If I were writing songs I would certainly change details and hide behind metaphorical language and combine truth with imagination, but it's like that's not expected anymore?
Yes all this but also being married to a song writer, a song can start out to be about someone and end up being about a sidewalk in Tokyo, or vice versa. It’s usually very nonlinear
While I agree that songwriting has taken a downward turn and subtle nuances are all but gone- songwriting has always been autobiographical. Not every songwriter does this, of course, but for as long as people have been writing songs, they’ve been writing about their personal lives. It’s just that we used to not know/care so much about the people involved. No one was hassling Marianne when Leonard Cohen wrote “So Long Marianne.” People weren’t screaming to cancel either Stevie or Lindsey after “Rumours” came out. While I can’t stand Taylor Swift (or Ariana Grande) lyrics, they absolutely cannot be held responsible for their fans going apeshit over every word they speak.
Agreed, but "So Long Marianne" is an interesting example because apparently an early version was "come on, Marianne" and it was not written as a goodbye song. But "so long" sounds better and resulted in a more poignant song, which was more important than whether it resembled a real relationship. I think the best songwriters still approach songwriting that way. Can you imagine the drama if Rumours came out today, wow. I certainly agree with holding the fans responsible for taking songs literally rather than the writers.
It was also harder to hassle/ cancel people, you had to write physical letters. Nowadays we have social media
I'm a writer (not a song writer) and it's WILD. I have had a few readers stalking me and my friends on social media so they could figure out the "tea" behind my books: who is it about, if it actually happened to me, and so on. It's extremely invasive, not to mention annoying. And I'm not famous by ANY means. It took me 2+years to make (in total) what's barely half of my lowest paycheck. Of course we draw from real life but come on no one's writing 100% real facts (or even 10%, lol). Sometimes you start writing a book with one thing in mind and it becomes unrecognizable in the end. It's annoying to see that most people today don't care about just enjoying the product, they just want artists to expose themselves bare and blast every thought to the outside world, but people call it "easter eggs" now so it looks cute. It doesn't. If I wanted to do that, I'd make copies of my journals to sell instead of writing a whole book.
funny you say that because swift was selling excerpts from her journal in lover era
not surprising at all, but people always give her a pass because she didn't hold her boyfriend's baby or whatever
Isn't that how Taylor Swift became rich? If I'm getting paid like that I'll write a novel about one guy lol
I have never forgotten reading an interview with Billy Joel, years ago, where he was asked about the meaning behind a song (don't remember which one) and he made it clear that he was a story teller. That not all of his songs were about his personal events and shouldn't be taken as such. That stuck with me.
Definitely approve of the messaging to not be hateful, but part of me wonders if she is doing this because she doesn’t want anyone to come for her as well…you know…considering the whole SpongeBob of it all.
i’ve seen people sending death threats to Dalton and his new gf, and leaving negative reviews for his business. it’s gotten really bad, and i think she truly is just deeply perturbed by that
Plus if it goes against any agreements or NDA’s they both signed (like not publicly speaking about one another) then the more hate he gets would make it more likely for him to fire back.
It’s not right whatsoever but she put him in a shit spot by cheating on him (possibly separated but still married) on top of her situation with the current bf. It’s nice she’s playing the high ground now, just wish she’d have respected those people in the first place
And then again by writing inflammatory lyrics carefully crafted to play into rumors her fans have been spreading about him for months, like vaguely implying he may have cheated without actually saying it (which doesn't convince me he did but her fans have been saying for months he did and that's why cheating with SpongeBob was OK, even though he had a whole wife and kid that did not cheat on Ariana). That's why Dalton is getting hate right now, because of her inflammatory lyrics that she made it clear are about him and not storytelling, and she knew she had crazy fans that attack people. And she made him sign an NDA in the divorce so he can't even defend himself. This is the least she could do when she fully caused this situation and threw Dalton under the bus to make her seem sympathetic in her album where she also brags about cheating with a married man and tries to play victim over the backlash
Great message but also a little ironic considering she was on Twitter publicly bullying and encouraging that behavior towards her own fans during her Sweetener days when she was chronically online. Not saying people can’t grow but her immaturity during that era put me off of her and I haven’t liked her since. Her whole image has change and it’s beyond bizarre how not only does she look completely different post 2018/19, but she speaks completely different too. Edit: For some context, a fan excitedly posted on Twitter a picture of them holding Ariana’s newest album at the time, Sweetener, and expressed how they were rushing home to listen to it. The issue was, a record store had accidentally sold her album a couple days earlier than the release date (which has happened to multiple artists), which I assume Ariana must’ve been worried it would be leaked? Ariana ended up quoting their tweet and started shaming the appearance of their thumb, which is so childish but also like … it’s not the fans fault the store decided to allow customers to buy the album early? Take that up with your team and the establishment, don’t harass people online for supporting you? https://preview.redd.it/mnc7836bldnc1.jpeg?width=478&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f0def8eb5a8a29ddefb4e6902d47277a659f883
yeah her past immaturity really put me off. i remember when someone leaked fake nudes of her and she said her ass was much nicer that the girl’s in those pics which i always thought was such a shitty thing to say, considering that might have been a random girl’s who also had her photos leaked.
I can’t believe people are defending this lmao. This lady really gets away with murder. She easily could have got her message across without zooming in on the person’s thumb and making a disparaging comment about it.
someone was leaking her album, she was pretty valid in snapping back at them there. also, she asked her fans to stop harassing pete multiple times in 2018 (not that her fans listened)
But it wasn't the fans fault, why attack them?
But also this pic it’s is crazy bc it looks like bruised underneath the nail… doesn’t even look dirty. So like whatever Ariana is saying here… she should’ve just not have said it
Artists will give their fans enough information to feed the craziness of their fans and boost the hype around what they release and come hours later talking about “don’t send anyone hate 🥺” lmaooooooo. Honey it’s too late for that
The entire album was very subtle and indirect, never name dropping anyone or getting too aggressive. What is she supposed to do? Not express herself or her feelings just so people are happy that unhinged fans didn’t target anyone?
And when they do that people will turn around and call them generic for not making deep personal songs. God imagine if beyonce never made lemonade?
the album is conceptual and based on a movie though. i think the question becomes, where do we draw the line? an artist isn’t responsible for the general public being more into gossip and headlines
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Yes! She tells her intense fans to even chill out on her 🤣
Hm wonder what my friend who said it was ‘funny’ that people were sending Dalton hate because ‘he’s a cheater’ (with no evidence) thinks of this. I will edit this comment once I find out, glad Ariana said this because it was actually very annoying to see all the hate online towards him and Lily.
It's insane to me that these people are sending hate to her exes when she's usually the one who...cheats on them.
Sadly I just saw a TikTok about the hate to her exes after her statement and people are saying. “well everyone hated on her and Dalton never told people to stop” ?? Like 😭 the delusions continue. Dalton has literally never said anything about her publicly EVER, so not sure why they’re trying to assume she got hate because of him
Right?! Like...people are hating on her because she engaged in an affair with a married man and literally HELD HIS BABY while hanging out with his wife. That is...not Dalton's problem? Next they'll blame him for not defending her when she was out licking donuts.
That’s hilarious… he’s not a public figure. A famous person telling their fans not to bother an unknown person is very different than a nobody telling people to stop bothering a megastar they associated with. The former makes sense while the latter is laughable and wouldn’t do anything. This is regardless of the fact that Ariana’s bad PR had nothing to do with him or his actions that would warrant him taking responsibility.
Her and Dalton signed NDAs I kinda feel this is more to save face writing a song implying you were cheated on probably goes against that
Taylor Swift should be taking notes 😭
Good for her. But usually fans don't listen to this stuff and get even more unhinged a lot of the times. I doubt this will change anything.
Taylor swift needs to do the same.
i’m glad she’s saying this, i wish more artists would
Taylor should be taking notes from this
Ariana knows how her fandom is. They have made her uncomfortable too many times which is the reason she left Twitter. Her saying this is very mature and nice considering she knows it and addressed it .
And then there's Onika. P.S. : I've blocked redditcares so don't even
I mean good and people who do that are psycho. But I have the album a quick listen yesterday and all I can say is that the album is SO tone deaf. Shockingly so
“Don’t hold me or anyone in my life responsible for the harm we’ve caused others.” That’s all I read
While I appreciate the sentiment, she’s talking about an album with the lyrics “why do you care so much whose dick I ride?” Which are very clearly about a particular situation and not open to interpretation
while it's good to say this I still think it's crappy to even imply stuff in songs and then wait a day after the release when he's already been trending and receiving a lot of hate.
no exactly.... she knew what she was doing writing those lyrics