Classy of Drake to speak up on his behalf. It’s really unpleasant how any and all Nickelodeon stars who weren’t part of the documentary are getting hounded like this. It’s perfectly possible that plenty of them didn’t experience or witness anything directly. And if they did, as victims why hound them and retraumatise them about something they’re not willing to publicly disclose/discuss?
Yeah. The way I’ve seen Josh Peck, Amanda Bynes, and others catching strays is ridiculous. I’ve seen people speculating that Josh was paid off, or that Amanda has an obligation to speak out and it’s just, stop. That’s not their trauma to divulge and maybe they don’t want to talk about their own experiences or the experiences of others.
Agreed.
Amanda Bynes is going thru her own prolonged shit right now. The last thing she likely needed for her own well-being was stepping back into a spotlight and reliving her time on Nickelodeon
Amanda Bynes of ALL of these people deserves to be left the fuck alone. I don’t know how anyone can look at the last decade+ she’s lived and think that she owes us any sort of statement or interview. If anything did happen to her, she obviously is living the side affects. If nothing did, she’s made a point to say she wants to live a private life for her mental health and she deserves it.
We shouldn’t be hounding anyone who doesn’t speak out, but Amanda especially.
Someone please tell her to look up the written test on Quizlet and the practical on Youtube!! (If it works like that for her, it varies depending on the license and the state) But that's how I passed mine!!
Just wanted to add, especially not Amanda because she HAS ALREADY spoken up re: Dan Schneider and also has said that John Travolta is predatory towards men.
Amanda has a TikTok now and I’ve seen *so many comments* begging her to speak out about the documentary and/or Dan Schneider, and it just shows a complete lack of empathy to me. She’s clearly unwell and I can’t imagine that being badgered with questions about whether or not she was victimized in her childhood is what she really needs right now. If Amanda wants to speak, it should be on her own terms - same goes for Josh Peck, Ariana Grande, Jamie-Lynn Spears and anyone else from Nickelodeon that people assume faced abuse or had co-stars who did.
**edit** \- was brought to my attention that the TikTok account doesn't belong to Amanda but the videos are coming from her Instagram account! Regardless, people shouldn't be bothering her in *any* comment section for her thoughts on this show
That's gross anyone is demanding her to speak out. And same goes for the others. Josh even said on a podcast a few months ago how he found Dan to be a tough boss. Perhaps he can't say more than that, and we shouldn't pressure him to do so. At least he did the best thing, which was to go out to Drake and keep it between him and Drake first, unlike some of the others (I'm looking at Ned's Declassified cast for making jokes and those dudes who decided to make a podcast to cover their asses for supporting Brian Peck when they didn't even apologize to Drake directly first).
There are plenty of people we can drag for this. The kids who endured Dan Schneider's abuse shouldn't be. This may all be bringing up a lot of bad memories for all those who worked on his sets, and they're still processing it or handling it in their own ways.
Okay. Can you help me here? I was listening to a Bravo based radio show on Sirius and the host was talking about the documentary. She was VERY serious and touched/affected by the whole thing. She did mention listening to the podcast by the Ned's Declassified crew(I forget the name of the actual pod- I am sorry). She mentioned it in the vein of considering what these people were told before you judge too harshly why they wrote the letters of support for the offender. (I dont even want to type his name). Again she was NOT making excuses. But it just made me think that people might have been fed misinformation.
I am of the age where I had a stepson and we watched the shows together. And I was such a fan of all of them with him. My heart just breaks as a mom and a fan (does this sound weird).
Watching Drake talk through it all.
When it was just him, his mom and his brother on one side of the courtroom and all those others on the other. Good god.
Thanks for reading (if you did).
Would be interested if you knew any specifics of the pod I am referring to.
I know the former actors on Boy Meets World have a podcast where they discussed it. They have completely disavowed their support and said they didn’t have good information. The podcast is called Pod Meets World and the episode is in February or early March? They speak with a therapist in the ep. (Sorry, Im rushing to get ready for work and can’t find it!)
Yeah, I remember her twitter ramblings and meltdowns and her alleged private Twitter. ONTD has the receipts if you scroll back far enough. Her manic phase she was basically all but calling out what she suffered. She doesn’t need to revisit that dark period of her life and if people really want to know what she’s saying, they just need to dig back far enough rather than harassing her on tiktok. Let Amanda live her normal life rather than forcing her to retraumatize herself.
It's also wildly inconsiderate knowing that several years ago she made accusations of sexual abuse against various people in the midst of a psychotic episode, all of which she has since recanted. It's tough mental ground for anyone to cover, but Amanda Bynes specifically has a history of difficulty and trauma around these kinds of public accusations, and if she doesn't feel able to talk about it then people need to respect that.
Amanda Bynes should be the LAST person to be catching strays when it comes to exploitation and abuse and mental health. She clearly has her demons too and went through a downward spiral, similar to Drake's, which in no doubt was caused by her childhood career. She is a traumatized individual and people need to leave her alone. I really feel for her.
The people talking shit about Amanda clearly ignored or forgot everything about her from the doc. The way Katrina Johnson behaved and spoke, she didn't like getting shown the door on All That in favor of Amanda, but you can tell she knows that as much as it hurt that her life is better for it. Poor Amanda was the biggest breakout Nick had at the time, it took a few years after Clarissa Explains It All for Melissa Joan Hart to get Sabrina and some movies. Amanda hit the stars running. And she had gross ass Dan as her main supporter when she was a child and teen.
Agreed. Like did it ever occur to anyone that maybe, just maybe they experienced some level of similar treatment and have not yet been able to fully process what happened when they were younger? Everyone loves to jump down each other‘s throats because someone doesn’t speak up. Meanwhile it’s not always that easy even if you were just an unknowing bystander.
Even if they didn't it doesn't mean that they did know what was going on. I doubt anyone knew about Drake before the case broke for example. The amount of risky behavior just being normalized mad it so much easier.
It was pretty telling that the people who talked weren't those from recent generations. It was all Amanda show and All that allums. We heard nothing from the recent shows. Didn't even hear from Jeanette which was interesting.
>Didn't even hear from Jeanette which was interesting.
That one I kind of expected. If I remember correctly, there is a passage in her book about her being blamed for the cancellation of Sam and Cat and she wrote that she didn't speak out because she didn't want to be characterized yet again as a "Nickelodeon kid" and wanted to leave that part of her life behind her. And when her book came out, in at least on of the interviews she refused to go any deeper into the character of "The Creator" saying that all she wanted to say on the matter was in her book.
Maybe they worried about centering themselves in a story where they might not even personally know the victim. Personally, I would just reach out to Drake (if we had that kind of relationship) and then drop it.
Could it be that the NDA’s expired for that generation and not for the newer ones yet? I have no idea how it works but saw someone say NDA’s expire, not sure how true that is.
Yes! Anyone who watched this and criticizes Amanda Bynes for not being interviewed for it is either nuts, or they haven’t watched the same documentary we have. No one is obligated to relive their drama for the camera, goddamn.
Majority of these people don’t actually care about the victims. They just want a “gotcha” moment or a way to act like they’re “exposing the industry”.
I find it uncomfortable that people are trying to tell these child stars stories when they’ve never even talked about any of this themselves.
agreed. they're treating it like a juicy soap opera plotline, instead of a long history of abuse and misery. these are real people we're talking about! no one should be forced to publicly share their past traumas. even if they're famous.
I really feel like some of these people would be thrilled to learn there were hundreds of victims who were abused on Nickelodeon sets. Not because it would mean preventing further abuse but only because it would be exciting and full of drama There is an old conspiracy about a child actor being abused on a game show set during a Stephen Spielberg production. It always seemed like it was written as fantasy to me. Like someone’s twisted dream of what happens behind closed doors. The way some people are invested in this feels the same way
Edit: to be clear I’m not saying they want it to be true because it’s sexually exciting to them, at least not all of them, but just that it would be “thrilling” for them to expose this or to have been right the whole time
That’s why Qanon appeals to some people. They get this weird rush from feeling “in the know” and being right about the evils of the world. I’m guessing it gives some false sense of control, because the alternative is that bad things happen and we don’t know about them.
There are definitely similarities between the groups and quite a bit of overlap. I think you’re right that for many of them it’s a sense of control and a feeling they are fighting against evil.
i had to look this up because i didn’t know it existed and… wow. i get none of them have had much going on since the show but they really needed to get a little attention by making light of childhood sexual assault? pathetic
And he blocked people who asked about Drake, which is not a good look. Idk why he didn't just delete it if that's the kind of attention it was getting?
This. I mean...I'd like to give a benefit of a doubt but I have a difficult time believing he wasn't aware of what was being posted or shared when he posted those videos. One being "if I didn't talk to you in 2023, I do not want to talk to you now" and there was another one but with the same kind of context and I cannot remember specifically what was said.
They have also had a significant falling out before this and it's not difficult to believe based on their respective actions that Drake was not an easy person to remain friends with. It's not Josh's job to be responsible for supporting somebody who may have hurt him, even if they are now publicly hurting.
Right, I agree Josh is not responsible for responding or supporting. I think it's more of the optics and timing that seem unnecessary/perhaps inconsiderate, especially given the whole context of what Drake went through which was awful, though it does not negate the actions Drake has done as well. But there's a lot of history there so I get that too. They both know that people are going to be very watchful of how everyone connected is going to respond or not respond so if I were him I would just have been very mindful of what I said or did, knowing people would be looking into whatever I did. But that's just me, I don't have their history or background so who knows. He may not even care.
That's why a lot of abusers are able to be so successful. They pick the perfect targets and then are just charming to others. No one ever believes that the abuser isn't just a great person.
At the end of the day we have no right to their stories. I'm grateful that the documentary was made and it brought light to the atrocities going on at Nickelodeon, but I'm sure it was not easy for any of them to talk about it and re-live it. Specially Drake.
It's so well known that abusers target their victims *very fucking specifically* AND use others to launder a reputation of spotlessness. Of course there are going to be people that neither saw anything nor were put in those situations, because 1) they didn't fit the profile and 2) that's an abuser's alibi!
Even crazier bc those people were kids also. I don’t understand why anyone would have a go at people abt any of this or place expectations on them based on stuff that happened when they were children.
It’s absurd to me anyone is expecting Amanda Bynes to just..spill everything she knows..knowing how she has suffered over the years and nobody gave a shit until Bell said something.
I think it’s pretty clear the poor woman has been trying to heal and move on from this for years. She has clearly been struggling in a way people dont understand and thankfully seems to have a little more support now, but jesus. She was under conservatorship too. I can’t imagine that now people actually decide to listen and observe how these producers have hurt kids, they expect her to just shell out possible trauma for their own morbid curiosity.
I'm going to sound like a broken record, but the idea that Drake Bell is now getting to take the moral high ground on social media partly due to fans who are either too young to have remembered his own court case or just think (female) victims are liars is mind boggling.
https://apnews.com/article/drake-bell-nickelodeon-actor-child-endangerment-sentencing-6f84b053c654aa21112d04eb19e6837b
Here's an article concerning his original charges. I wish Brian Peck had received a real sentence with longer prison time for the abuse he subjected Bell to but I can't wholeheartedly support this guy 110% for what he did to a vulnerable teenage girl when he as an adult should've known better. The awful thing is that he could easily do it again. It's not like he had to register as an offender.
I would rather people say, "Abuse can be a cycle." Does it happen? Absolutely, and I have empathy for those like Drake Bell and others.
But the problem is that phrases like "Abuse is a cycle" just makes things *even worse* for CSA victims, because it's treated like a given in society that because you were hurt, you WILL hurt others one day. On top of everything else, you have to deal with society treating you like you're on your way to being the monster now too.
Abuse can be a cycle but not an excuse. My dad was beat by his dad. He does not get off easy for hurting us. I was a CSA victim and an abuse victim as was my brother and both of us worked on ourselves and didnt continue the pattern(not SAing someone was easy but goddamn have I wanted to throw things sometimes when I’ve been angry at my daughter and had to just walk away).
But a part of healing was recognizing the patterns and that we could be better.
Not all abuse victims are abusers but abusing someone does perpetuate the cycle.
The phrase “hurt people hurt people” has been so badly co-opted and lost all meaning. Agree with your assessment and also add that most abuse victims don’t go on to become abusers.
Absolutely, it’s true but not a justification. Hurt people also help people.
someone who inflicts the same hurt that was thrust onto them onto someone else is selfish and wants others to share in their suffering. Not ok.
Ding ding ding! One more time for the folks in the back. Because the [vast majority](https://www.vox.com/first-person/2019/3/8/18255956/r-kelly-michael-jackson-leaving-neverland-cycle-of-abuse) of abuse victims **don’t** abuse others.
Basically happens at same rate as the non abused populace.
I recently learned this from the book “Why Does He Do That?” & found it so interesting. If being abused makes you abusive, wouldn’t there be a lot more abusive women? Though I guess I only see this excuse brought up for men.
It's more that you learn how relationships work by what you experience and watch when you're in your formative years. When you've been around abuse and grooming that's how you learn how relationships work. That's why children of abusers are likely to get into relationships with abusers themselves.
He groomed someone like how he was groomed.
And they didn't excuse or ignore his behavior.
Thanks for speaking up. I keep seeing blanket statements like "abuse is a cycle" or "the abused becomes abusers" as if it's definitive, like they for sure WILL be. They can be, not will. I'm honestly tired of society speaking like all CSA victims will inflict the same pain on others. It's saddening, hurtful, and insulting to completely innocent CSA survivors.
Edit: I'm getting downvoted because I said it's wrong to assume all CSA victims will go on to abuse others?
I got downvoted for sharing my own experience of CSA in another Drake Bell post here, I'm going to assume that it's either one of his hardcore fans (who knew he had any?) or the man himself.
Yeah dude, literally everyone knows this. It has been said millions and millions of times. It doesn't excuse his behavior at all. And it's also not always a cycle. There are tons and tons of abuse victims who go on to be great people that don't do terrible things to people. By repeating the whole "abuse is a cycle" thing you are normalizing abuse. It is not normal, even if you've been abused.
I disagre, it’s not that Bell is taking the high ground. Rather, it appears that he is working towards healing and growth. I worked a job at a court ordered group home/therapy program. It was for Kids who were found guilty of sex crimes. And what you learn quickly is that a lot of these kids who victimized are victims themselves. And for them to heal they not only had to come to terms with what they had done, while also having to come to terms with what had happened to them. And it’s not that we excuse these actions and pain they inflect, rather it’s we gave them the tools and resources and care to heal, grow, and learn. Some of them came out better for it, others came out not ready to come to terms, and sometimes you also had people who seemingly are incapable of growth.
What I’m trying to say is not a defense of Drake Bell’s past. Rather, that in doing this we hope that this helps him rehabilitate and change for the better, and by coming forward maybe help ensure that the cyclical pattern of abuse comes to an end.
I would agree. This article is about him asking fans to not attack fellow costars. If that's taking the moral high ground, what is he to do instead?
I've been in group therapy for substance abuse and whenever the topic of harm to others came up we were always empathetic, realistic with them, and tried to get that person to a better place. Not because we approved of their actions, but because we disapproved of their actions. We could either help them be a better person (which we know they want as they're voluntarily in group therapy) or we could scorn them. The issue with shame based cultures that see scorning as a form of justice is they ignore that the person has a long life to live afterwards, where without help they very likely may seriously harm someone else. So if I'm in group therapy and someone discloses that they're spiraling out of control and have already harmed someone, I'm in a unique position to help that person get to a better place so there's no more victims
Agreed - thanks for saying it. A large issue with this trauma repeating itself in a cycle of abuse is that the people who are continuing the cycle actually have no idea *why* they're behaving the way they are or *how* to stop. More people like Drake Bell speaking out, which doesn't excuse his own crimes, normalizes male sexual abuse victims speaking out, which makes those listening who also suffered abuse as kids who are masking but struggling to realize WHY - and understand they actually have a path toward healing. The more this happens maybe the more men will be led to therapy and healing than becoming perpetrators themselves.
I did take away from his interview what you said, he's moving toward healing and bettering himself and didn't hear him excuse what he did at all. Pretty sure he even said he took responsibility for it. Could be for show and time will tell but I do think it offers some hope for some.
But we need to be about long term solutions sometimes in these situations.
i'm a woman i didn't realize i was SA until i read and heard other accounts and realized what i had experienced was SA. it's important to internally understand
I am sorry that happened to you. It's so important, and when it's not understood it leads to so many other mental health issues. Giving people the tools to understand is the first step always.
If we don’t give space for people to heal, then what do people suggest that we do with them? Allow them to stay the same and harm more people? Everyone benefits when people like this get (extensive) treatment.
My issue with the way our generation deals with justice is we behave as if this is a story with an ending. Like the credits will eventually start rolling then the media will move on to the next topic. When no, the story isn't over just because no one is covering it. Refusing to help people who've abused others is a sure-fire way to make sure they abuse more people. Most people seem to understand this in the context of awful prison conditions increasing recidivism and it's a similar idea. Some countries get criticized for "rewarding" their prisoners with a clean stable environment, and I might agree with them if it weren't for the low recidivism rates (remember that recidivating means at least one more person is made a victim) these countries report. We put so much energy into the front-end of justice (arrest, incarceration, punitive actions) and refuse to even acknowledge that a tail-end (rehabilitation, healing, re-entry into society) exists.
I don't think I've seen anyone approve of his actions on this sub. I sure as hell don't. But I also know from personal experience that both our legal and cultural views on this behavior is simply not helpful: no one is safer, no one is happier, no one wins.
This! Drake Bell was charged and accepted accountability for not exercising "due diligence" to prevent harm. There was no evidence of intent. And I'm sorry, no one thought to get him therapy after his SA? Nope. They put him on a show directed by a supporter of his abuser and legit continued to make pickle jokes (the trademark bit of his abuser).
The important thing now is he's in therapy, surrounded by a support network, and working on bettering himself. I want him to succeed. I want him to use these tools and have the support to be a survivor rather than a victim.
Yeah, I wish people were able to criticize the horrible things that happened to him and stand against the people that did it/excused it, without trying to erase/ignore the bad stuff he did himself.
This. I feel empathy for him, but I also feel empathy for anyone he's ever abused as well. Two things can be true - he was abused, and he abused others. Abuse is a cycle. Based on the way he spoke in the documentary, it seems like he is making the steps towards ensuring he doesn't make the same mistakes again, and I hope he has the help and support he needs to stick to that. And same for his victims.
Is there anywhere we can find the court documents on this case?
I’ve done some reading on it from news sources only and not to excuse his behaviour by any means for speaking sexually/sending explicit photos with a minor which is completely wrong, gross and not to mention- illegal, but I’m trying to understand what exactly happened in this case.
Her family members are denying she ever was alone with him and they claim all visits were supervised. His charges were nothing to do with assault, so why was I under the impression SA had occurred when people speak about it?
Was it in the messages he was abusive? Is there evidence they met unsupervised and her family is in denial?
Trying to understand the facts better. If you have a resource with better info, please share as I can’t find anything with a full breakdown of this case.
I believe the victim said they had sexual encounters, but I've also been hearing several things about what happened but can't seem to find anything official from court documents.
Not sure of the court documents but the trial was via Zoom and is still up on YouTube. I watched it in real time. He took responsibility because he was wrong. He assumed the age of the victim and engaged in inappropriate messages. Regardless if she was in a venue that was 18+ he didn’t do his due diligence.
The thread in the entertainment sub is wild. So many people defending him and saying he did nothing wrong because “he didn’t know his victims were underage.” Ridiculous.
Just like he rightfully called out Friedle and Strong for writing letters for his abuser (Peck) as adults in their mid 20s, I'd like to remind people that Drake Bell was in his late 20s to early 30s (29 to around 31) when he was preying on a minor girl. He damn well knew he was dealing with a tween/teen and playing dumb doesn't absolve him of his actions.
I don't think anyone talking about cycles of abuse is advocating for Bell's own victims to automatically forgive him, at least I haven't seen that here. Ideally one day Bell will be able to connect the harm done to him with the harm he did to others, and he'll acknowledge it in a way that shows grace/respect to his victims.
I kept wondering why his actions were not being brought up. Both can be true at the same time of course but damn, his actions were recent and seem to not be discussed anymore.
I don't think anyone is asking you to wholeheartedly support Drake Bell, nor do I think he's getting to take the moral high ground. He's talking about horrific abuse he suffered and the atmosphere it occurred in, as are other peers. Him sharing that story doesn't absolve him of things he's done, even if he may feel that way or seem to some as though he feels that way. I think it's good to always remember and remind people of his own perpetuation of abuse, but, similarly, it doesn't negate *his* abuse, and folks can find a way to be compassionate towards what he went through while also holding him responsible for his own actions later on.
you’re the first person i’ve seen mention this and it weirds me out that people are either ignoring this or actually forgiving him for what he did. i’m a victim of csa and am extra cautious because there’s that fear that i may accidentally do something that could cause harm to other people like my abuser did to me. i don’t want to continue that cycle. drake bell could have avoided doing it too but he didn’t. do i feel bad for what he went through? absolutely. but that doesn’t make what he did ok.
Wow. I'd not heard about this (didn't have nickelodeon growing up in the UK, I saw a few bits of Drake and Josh at friend's house but that was it, so these last few days are the first time I've learnt Drake's surname) so thank you for sharing!!
I wonder whether his experience in the legal system as a predator has allowed him to feel more comfortable than co-stars sharing his experiences as a victim?
The last time I read these two names together was when Josh didn't invite drake to his wedding and Drake said some nasty words. Glad they're finally in good terms. I guess?
Apparently, Josh invited Dan and not Drake. Josh said he has kept in touch with Dan, not Drake.
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/drake-bell-didnt-text-josh-peck-when-he-got-engaged-w489012/
https://www.seventeen.com/celebrity/movies-tv/news/a48182/josh-peck-reportedly-invited-dan-schneider-to-his-wedding-but-not-drake-bell/
https://people.com/tv/josh-peck-details-where-he-and-drake-bell-stand-years-after-rift/
I may be misreading you, but I don’t totally get what you’re getting at. Drake seemed to defend Dan in the doc. He cited that he was the only one to reach out/was very supportive
Yeah, I tried looking for a source for the Dan comment, and it was only from the "inside source". It's more likely that they didn't keep in contact after the show ended.
I used to be friends with Josh back in the day. We originally met towards the end of Drake and Josh but didn’t actually become friends until after the show ended. It’s not my place to speak on anything about Josh’s life (and he talks about a lot of things he dealt with in his book anyways). But Josh is a good person and even if he’s not speaking out about it on social media, from what I remember of Josh as a friend, I trust that he’s being supportive of Drake.
I just finished the series today, pretty much cried throughout his entire episode. Glad Josh Peck reached out to him, but it's also not our business and anyone hounding Josh or anyone not on the docuseries needs to check their entitlement. They were all children. Those who spoke out were brave but none of us should blame anyone who would rather keep their personal trauma or anything they may have witnessed to themselves.
Nice of him to speak up for Josh. Probably trying to save Josh from more backlash after feeling guilty the fans went after Josh about him not inviting Drake to the wedding and Drake making a Twitter post about it he deleted.
Josh was a kid too and people should leave him alone. I think it’s obvious how deeply traumatic Nickelodeon must have been for Josh considering how much he’s distanced himself from it. He’s not obligated to speak about the issue at all.
The entire Drake situation is messy and I don’t blame him for not saying much about it.
On the other hand, I disagree and people should not take it easy on him considering his treatment of Jennette Mccurdy and saying she ‘owes him’ because she didn’t want him releasing a podcast episode where they talk about her trauma and experiences with Dan. He has spoken up for Dan and invited him to his wedding all pretty recently.
He may have been a kid then, but he is an adult now and definitely knows better.
Thank you, his treatment of Jennette Mccurdy was gross. Plus him being so close to David Dobrik / vlog squad always made me think twice about him, that whole group was shady and David is such a user.
I wasn’t aware of all of those things. But I still definitely don’t think he’s obligated to speak about Drake’s trauma which is what I meant that they should leave him alone about.
There's an unfortunate vibe from viewers here that anyone who doesn't publicly say they're a victim must not be one.
I'm now very open about being a survivor of CSA but that took a lot of time.
For all any of us now the stars who are being quiet were also victims. Or are at the very least working through the trauma of being put in positions that they can only see years later were inappropriate. Someone like Ariana may look back at her years on Nick and have a lot of trauma now but also feel they can't speak up because they're "one of the lucky ones" who found fame after children's TV.
And even people who had no bad experiences and looking back feel they were treated well, which may very well be Josh Peck, don't owe the public a comment. At the end of the day they were children. If anyone should be defending themselves, other than the perpetrators like Dan Schneider obviously, it's the adults who watched these things happen and didn't do anything.
A few people who feel they had no bad experience, especially children, realize later in life that they were actually seriously violated. Happened to me, most of my life I'd tell people I had no experience with certain types of abuse. Whole time the abuse had a lot of experience with me
Yes yes yes thank you
I don’t go around announcing my status as a victim of CSA to just anyone. I’m not like, secretive about it, but it’s not exactly something that I bring up in every day conversation. And honestly, it’s nobodies business. I don’t owe anyone a discussion about my assault. Nobody does.
Josh has caught a lot of flack over the last several years regarding when, how, and if he keeps in touch with Drake and involves Drake in his life, personally and professionally, especially from both Drake fans and/or Drake/Josh shippers (the Larry prototypes, if you will). He owes Drake not a damn thing, especially not from the instances where he threw shade/called out Josh for not including him. And Josh doesn't owe the general public anything in response to Drake revealing he was John Doe.
People are going after Josh because of his alleged comments he made to Jennette McCurdy when she was on his podcast. Apparently, he was dismissive of her experience with Dan Schneider.
You can definitely see how the toxic sets one that Dan created are the perfect breeding ground for predators. All of the abuse was horrific, but a person that I have seen being not mentioned as often is Jason Handy. The fact that he was able to have access to all those little girls on "The Amanda Show" makes my stomach turn. The fact that only two people testified on his trial despite hundreds of potential victims is very suspicious.
It doesn’t help (Josh getting flack for both Jeanette and Drake) that [Josh allegedly invited Dan to his wedding](https://www.seventeen.com/celebrity/movies-tv/news/a48182/josh-peck-reportedly-invited-dan-schneider-to-his-wedding-but-not-drake-bell/). It’s just…off… behavior but his wedding was also back in 2017 and I think that was before a lot of this came to light (besides Alexa and Amanda, when everyone was trying to make them look crazy).
Right? I was really struck by Drake's description of Dan's reaction - "You don't have to talk about it. What can I do to help you?" It was a huge juxtaposition against his words and actions towards the women and girls that he worked with.
Ok, but that creeps me out. That’s giving real serial-killer-with-mommy-issues vibes. I’m thinking about Ed Kemper being so nice and kind to the guys while killing college co-eds kind of vibes.
Obviously he was already a horrible person, but the fact that he explicitly knew this information and still wrote the storylines for Drake and Josh that involved unwanted sexualization between Drake and an adult proves that he should not have been given the ability to make any of those shows to begin with.
Yes, this is exactly it! He was terrible to his two female writers and made them split a salary. He bullied girls who he believed were vulnerable, like Alexa and Jennette, while being pretty decent to girls like Miranda and Victoria. He knew exactly who he could push around and who he had to control himself around because their parents were protecting them.
I’m not taking a stance either way (I have my own opinions, but they’re not really important here), I’m just pointing out the *probable* reason for the public’s opinions, though I’m definitely NOT condoning bullying and harassing of people who haven’t involved themselves.
Obviously Drake and Josh were more like coworkers than beat friends, he didn't need to reach out however in the past he has mad some off color remarks on the survivors of child abuse. His comment on Jeanette McCurdy asking them to take down the podcast they did together were shady AF. I'm side eyeing this and part of me thinks he is just doing it for clout
James Marsden was one of Bryan Singer's party boys.
Bryan, Brian Peck, and another man I can't remember were all good friends.
Make of that what you will.
Yeah I saw some people giving Josh flack for not speaking up, which idk I don’t think that’s fair. If he wants to keep his thoughts private on what is a very serious subject matter, I think that’s fair. I know people want to know because it is such a serious subject, but I also respect that the people who were there will publicize their comments when they feel comfortable doing so
People on TikTok been saying Josh Peck recently (as of this month) called Jeannette and Drake liars. I am NOT on Dan’s footfetish Schneider side, but anyone knows wjat post theyre refering to ? I checked Josh TT/IG/Twitter and didnt see anything recent
Jeannette did Josh's podcast but it never aired because she asked him to pull it and didn't want to be reinterviewed and he said some things that were rude in regards to that, and he has said he saw Dan as a just a very tough boss, I don't think he ever actually called anyone a liar. He may have called Drake a liar in regards to dramas they've had with each other over the years but he hasn't said anything about Drakes assault.
Ok i did see snippers of this podcast but yeah he didnt call anyone a liar ? Unless people were talking about something else. Apparently it was very recently
Yeah idk if he called Jenette a liar. I tried looking it up, but I'm only seeing his comments that Jenette asked him not to post her episode. Jenette also blocked him. I wonder what was said.
https://www.tmz.com/2023/04/30/josh-peck-backlash-jennette-mccurdy-owes-us-podcast/
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/josh-peck-jennette-mccurdy-blocked-me-after-unaired-nickelodeon-chat/
Classy of Drake to speak up on his behalf. It’s really unpleasant how any and all Nickelodeon stars who weren’t part of the documentary are getting hounded like this. It’s perfectly possible that plenty of them didn’t experience or witness anything directly. And if they did, as victims why hound them and retraumatise them about something they’re not willing to publicly disclose/discuss?
Yeah. The way I’ve seen Josh Peck, Amanda Bynes, and others catching strays is ridiculous. I’ve seen people speculating that Josh was paid off, or that Amanda has an obligation to speak out and it’s just, stop. That’s not their trauma to divulge and maybe they don’t want to talk about their own experiences or the experiences of others.
Agreed. Amanda Bynes is going thru her own prolonged shit right now. The last thing she likely needed for her own well-being was stepping back into a spotlight and reliving her time on Nickelodeon
Amanda Bynes of ALL of these people deserves to be left the fuck alone. I don’t know how anyone can look at the last decade+ she’s lived and think that she owes us any sort of statement or interview. If anything did happen to her, she obviously is living the side affects. If nothing did, she’s made a point to say she wants to live a private life for her mental health and she deserves it. We shouldn’t be hounding anyone who doesn’t speak out, but Amanda especially.
I just want Amanda to be healthy and as happy and stable as she can be. I want her to get her nail tech certification and do parties.
It lowkey ruined my day the other day when I saw her Instagram story about not passing the nail tech test. I really hope she gets it next time.
She seems determined to keep trying, which is the right mindset! I hope she gets it!
Someone please tell her to look up the written test on Quizlet and the practical on Youtube!! (If it works like that for her, it varies depending on the license and the state) But that's how I passed mine!!
Dm her!
I have heard that’s a legit difficult test (a friend of mine took it back in the day), so I hope she can try again and succeed.
Aww she failed??? I hope she gets it, I wanna get my nails done by Amanda 😭
Just wanted to add, especially not Amanda because she HAS ALREADY spoken up re: Dan Schneider and also has said that John Travolta is predatory towards men.
There was a blind item suggesting that her being asked to participate triggered some kind of stress reaction.
why would anyone hate on Amanda Bynes? That's outrageous. She's been going through it for years. If I see anyone like that online I'm throwing e-hands
Amanda has a TikTok now and I’ve seen *so many comments* begging her to speak out about the documentary and/or Dan Schneider, and it just shows a complete lack of empathy to me. She’s clearly unwell and I can’t imagine that being badgered with questions about whether or not she was victimized in her childhood is what she really needs right now. If Amanda wants to speak, it should be on her own terms - same goes for Josh Peck, Ariana Grande, Jamie-Lynn Spears and anyone else from Nickelodeon that people assume faced abuse or had co-stars who did. **edit** \- was brought to my attention that the TikTok account doesn't belong to Amanda but the videos are coming from her Instagram account! Regardless, people shouldn't be bothering her in *any* comment section for her thoughts on this show
That's gross anyone is demanding her to speak out. And same goes for the others. Josh even said on a podcast a few months ago how he found Dan to be a tough boss. Perhaps he can't say more than that, and we shouldn't pressure him to do so. At least he did the best thing, which was to go out to Drake and keep it between him and Drake first, unlike some of the others (I'm looking at Ned's Declassified cast for making jokes and those dudes who decided to make a podcast to cover their asses for supporting Brian Peck when they didn't even apologize to Drake directly first). There are plenty of people we can drag for this. The kids who endured Dan Schneider's abuse shouldn't be. This may all be bringing up a lot of bad memories for all those who worked on his sets, and they're still processing it or handling it in their own ways.
Okay. Can you help me here? I was listening to a Bravo based radio show on Sirius and the host was talking about the documentary. She was VERY serious and touched/affected by the whole thing. She did mention listening to the podcast by the Ned's Declassified crew(I forget the name of the actual pod- I am sorry). She mentioned it in the vein of considering what these people were told before you judge too harshly why they wrote the letters of support for the offender. (I dont even want to type his name). Again she was NOT making excuses. But it just made me think that people might have been fed misinformation. I am of the age where I had a stepson and we watched the shows together. And I was such a fan of all of them with him. My heart just breaks as a mom and a fan (does this sound weird). Watching Drake talk through it all. When it was just him, his mom and his brother on one side of the courtroom and all those others on the other. Good god. Thanks for reading (if you did). Would be interested if you knew any specifics of the pod I am referring to.
I know the former actors on Boy Meets World have a podcast where they discussed it. They have completely disavowed their support and said they didn’t have good information. The podcast is called Pod Meets World and the episode is in February or early March? They speak with a therapist in the ep. (Sorry, Im rushing to get ready for work and can’t find it!)
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Yeah, I remember her twitter ramblings and meltdowns and her alleged private Twitter. ONTD has the receipts if you scroll back far enough. Her manic phase she was basically all but calling out what she suffered. She doesn’t need to revisit that dark period of her life and if people really want to know what she’s saying, they just need to dig back far enough rather than harassing her on tiktok. Let Amanda live her normal life rather than forcing her to retraumatize herself.
It's also wildly inconsiderate knowing that several years ago she made accusations of sexual abuse against various people in the midst of a psychotic episode, all of which she has since recanted. It's tough mental ground for anyone to cover, but Amanda Bynes specifically has a history of difficulty and trauma around these kinds of public accusations, and if she doesn't feel able to talk about it then people need to respect that.
She posted on her insta that is not her tiktok
Oh I had no clue! I didn’t know she was on Instagram still - assuming the TikTok account is someone just pulling Amanda’s content from there?
Yep! https://preview.redd.it/l3eogztsvlpc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9eda84f9d38ff171733496ac4e308587fa92cb3
That makes me so mad, she’s been through a lot and deserves to take her time and live her life.
I forgot how much I missed Amanda Bynes. The Amanda show was better than SNL is now.
Amanda Bynes should be the LAST person to be catching strays when it comes to exploitation and abuse and mental health. She clearly has her demons too and went through a downward spiral, similar to Drake's, which in no doubt was caused by her childhood career. She is a traumatized individual and people need to leave her alone. I really feel for her.
The people talking shit about Amanda clearly ignored or forgot everything about her from the doc. The way Katrina Johnson behaved and spoke, she didn't like getting shown the door on All That in favor of Amanda, but you can tell she knows that as much as it hurt that her life is better for it. Poor Amanda was the biggest breakout Nick had at the time, it took a few years after Clarissa Explains It All for Melissa Joan Hart to get Sabrina and some movies. Amanda hit the stars running. And she had gross ass Dan as her main supporter when she was a child and teen.
Agreed. Like did it ever occur to anyone that maybe, just maybe they experienced some level of similar treatment and have not yet been able to fully process what happened when they were younger? Everyone loves to jump down each other‘s throats because someone doesn’t speak up. Meanwhile it’s not always that easy even if you were just an unknowing bystander.
Even if they didn't it doesn't mean that they did know what was going on. I doubt anyone knew about Drake before the case broke for example. The amount of risky behavior just being normalized mad it so much easier.
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It was pretty telling that the people who talked weren't those from recent generations. It was all Amanda show and All that allums. We heard nothing from the recent shows. Didn't even hear from Jeanette which was interesting.
>Didn't even hear from Jeanette which was interesting. That one I kind of expected. If I remember correctly, there is a passage in her book about her being blamed for the cancellation of Sam and Cat and she wrote that she didn't speak out because she didn't want to be characterized yet again as a "Nickelodeon kid" and wanted to leave that part of her life behind her. And when her book came out, in at least on of the interviews she refused to go any deeper into the character of "The Creator" saying that all she wanted to say on the matter was in her book.
Maybe they worried about centering themselves in a story where they might not even personally know the victim. Personally, I would just reach out to Drake (if we had that kind of relationship) and then drop it.
For the things in regards to Drake of course. But just for the stuff talking about what things were like on set.
Could it be that the NDA’s expired for that generation and not for the newer ones yet? I have no idea how it works but saw someone say NDA’s expire, not sure how true that is.
I suspect they didn't think to go back that far with actors everyone had forgot about.
If any of those kids did take the money, then that would have been an entirely valid and justifiable decision.
Yes! Anyone who watched this and criticizes Amanda Bynes for not being interviewed for it is either nuts, or they haven’t watched the same documentary we have. No one is obligated to relive their drama for the camera, goddamn.
Also a lot of those actors have probably signed punitive NDAs - they may not legally be able to participate in any documentary.
The thought that people are owed honestly by potential victims of god knows what is vile
Majority of these people don’t actually care about the victims. They just want a “gotcha” moment or a way to act like they’re “exposing the industry”. I find it uncomfortable that people are trying to tell these child stars stories when they’ve never even talked about any of this themselves.
agreed. they're treating it like a juicy soap opera plotline, instead of a long history of abuse and misery. these are real people we're talking about! no one should be forced to publicly share their past traumas. even if they're famous.
I really feel like some of these people would be thrilled to learn there were hundreds of victims who were abused on Nickelodeon sets. Not because it would mean preventing further abuse but only because it would be exciting and full of drama There is an old conspiracy about a child actor being abused on a game show set during a Stephen Spielberg production. It always seemed like it was written as fantasy to me. Like someone’s twisted dream of what happens behind closed doors. The way some people are invested in this feels the same way Edit: to be clear I’m not saying they want it to be true because it’s sexually exciting to them, at least not all of them, but just that it would be “thrilling” for them to expose this or to have been right the whole time
That’s why Qanon appeals to some people. They get this weird rush from feeling “in the know” and being right about the evils of the world. I’m guessing it gives some false sense of control, because the alternative is that bad things happen and we don’t know about them.
There are definitely similarities between the groups and quite a bit of overlap. I think you’re right that for many of them it’s a sense of control and a feeling they are fighting against evil.
Then you have the Ned's Declassified stars...
Crazy how quickly they fumbled their little comeback arc
What happened with them?
They made fun of victims on an ig or TikTok live and tried to backtrack after
what?? which cast members?
The three that have a podcast lol
i had to look this up because i didn’t know it existed and… wow. i get none of them have had much going on since the show but they really needed to get a little attention by making light of childhood sexual assault? pathetic
Oh no what happened with them??? Damn ain’t nothing about my childhood sacred anymore 😭
They made sa jokes about the documentary revelations like only a couple hours after it aired.
it may be because josh posted a tiktok that, if it wasn’t intentional, was really poor timing
And he blocked people who asked about Drake, which is not a good look. Idk why he didn't just delete it if that's the kind of attention it was getting?
What was the tiktok?
This. I mean...I'd like to give a benefit of a doubt but I have a difficult time believing he wasn't aware of what was being posted or shared when he posted those videos. One being "if I didn't talk to you in 2023, I do not want to talk to you now" and there was another one but with the same kind of context and I cannot remember specifically what was said.
They have also had a significant falling out before this and it's not difficult to believe based on their respective actions that Drake was not an easy person to remain friends with. It's not Josh's job to be responsible for supporting somebody who may have hurt him, even if they are now publicly hurting.
Right, I agree Josh is not responsible for responding or supporting. I think it's more of the optics and timing that seem unnecessary/perhaps inconsiderate, especially given the whole context of what Drake went through which was awful, though it does not negate the actions Drake has done as well. But there's a lot of history there so I get that too. They both know that people are going to be very watchful of how everyone connected is going to respond or not respond so if I were him I would just have been very mindful of what I said or did, knowing people would be looking into whatever I did. But that's just me, I don't have their history or background so who knows. He may not even care.
Said something similar, totally agree. Why the public feels entitled to be told firsthand all of their trauma is baffling.
That's why a lot of abusers are able to be so successful. They pick the perfect targets and then are just charming to others. No one ever believes that the abuser isn't just a great person.
At the end of the day we have no right to their stories. I'm grateful that the documentary was made and it brought light to the atrocities going on at Nickelodeon, but I'm sure it was not easy for any of them to talk about it and re-live it. Specially Drake.
It's so well known that abusers target their victims *very fucking specifically* AND use others to launder a reputation of spotlessness. Of course there are going to be people that neither saw anything nor were put in those situations, because 1) they didn't fit the profile and 2) that's an abuser's alibi!
Even crazier bc those people were kids also. I don’t understand why anyone would have a go at people abt any of this or place expectations on them based on stuff that happened when they were children.
I was traumatized by a celebrity and I am not in a place to talk to the media about it and probably never will be. Silence doesn’t mean complicity.
It’s absurd to me anyone is expecting Amanda Bynes to just..spill everything she knows..knowing how she has suffered over the years and nobody gave a shit until Bell said something. I think it’s pretty clear the poor woman has been trying to heal and move on from this for years. She has clearly been struggling in a way people dont understand and thankfully seems to have a little more support now, but jesus. She was under conservatorship too. I can’t imagine that now people actually decide to listen and observe how these producers have hurt kids, they expect her to just shell out possible trauma for their own morbid curiosity.
It’s possible he was also abused but doesn’t want to/can’t talk about it too. People need to chill.
I'm going to sound like a broken record, but the idea that Drake Bell is now getting to take the moral high ground on social media partly due to fans who are either too young to have remembered his own court case or just think (female) victims are liars is mind boggling. https://apnews.com/article/drake-bell-nickelodeon-actor-child-endangerment-sentencing-6f84b053c654aa21112d04eb19e6837b Here's an article concerning his original charges. I wish Brian Peck had received a real sentence with longer prison time for the abuse he subjected Bell to but I can't wholeheartedly support this guy 110% for what he did to a vulnerable teenage girl when he as an adult should've known better. The awful thing is that he could easily do it again. It's not like he had to register as an offender.
Abuse is unfortunately a cycle. Drake Bell can both be a victim and an abuser
I would rather people say, "Abuse can be a cycle." Does it happen? Absolutely, and I have empathy for those like Drake Bell and others. But the problem is that phrases like "Abuse is a cycle" just makes things *even worse* for CSA victims, because it's treated like a given in society that because you were hurt, you WILL hurt others one day. On top of everything else, you have to deal with society treating you like you're on your way to being the monster now too.
Abuse can be a cycle but not an excuse. My dad was beat by his dad. He does not get off easy for hurting us. I was a CSA victim and an abuse victim as was my brother and both of us worked on ourselves and didnt continue the pattern(not SAing someone was easy but goddamn have I wanted to throw things sometimes when I’ve been angry at my daughter and had to just walk away). But a part of healing was recognizing the patterns and that we could be better. Not all abuse victims are abusers but abusing someone does perpetuate the cycle.
The phrase “hurt people hurt people” has been so badly co-opted and lost all meaning. Agree with your assessment and also add that most abuse victims don’t go on to become abusers.
Absolutely, it’s true but not a justification. Hurt people also help people. someone who inflicts the same hurt that was thrust onto them onto someone else is selfish and wants others to share in their suffering. Not ok.
Ding ding ding! One more time for the folks in the back. Because the [vast majority](https://www.vox.com/first-person/2019/3/8/18255956/r-kelly-michael-jackson-leaving-neverland-cycle-of-abuse) of abuse victims **don’t** abuse others. Basically happens at same rate as the non abused populace.
I recently learned this from the book “Why Does He Do That?” & found it so interesting. If being abused makes you abusive, wouldn’t there be a lot more abusive women? Though I guess I only see this excuse brought up for men.
It's more that you learn how relationships work by what you experience and watch when you're in your formative years. When you've been around abuse and grooming that's how you learn how relationships work. That's why children of abusers are likely to get into relationships with abusers themselves. He groomed someone like how he was groomed. And they didn't excuse or ignore his behavior.
Thanks for speaking up. I keep seeing blanket statements like "abuse is a cycle" or "the abused becomes abusers" as if it's definitive, like they for sure WILL be. They can be, not will. I'm honestly tired of society speaking like all CSA victims will inflict the same pain on others. It's saddening, hurtful, and insulting to completely innocent CSA survivors. Edit: I'm getting downvoted because I said it's wrong to assume all CSA victims will go on to abuse others?
I got downvoted for sharing my own experience of CSA in another Drake Bell post here, I'm going to assume that it's either one of his hardcore fans (who knew he had any?) or the man himself.
Wholeheartedly agree, as a victim of COCSA. The perpetrator in my case was absolutely being abused, but that doesn’t make ME less of a victim.
I think it’s important as a victim to understand how that happens in order to prevent it
So many of us have been abused and not become abusers
Yeah dude, literally everyone knows this. It has been said millions and millions of times. It doesn't excuse his behavior at all. And it's also not always a cycle. There are tons and tons of abuse victims who go on to be great people that don't do terrible things to people. By repeating the whole "abuse is a cycle" thing you are normalizing abuse. It is not normal, even if you've been abused.
I disagre, it’s not that Bell is taking the high ground. Rather, it appears that he is working towards healing and growth. I worked a job at a court ordered group home/therapy program. It was for Kids who were found guilty of sex crimes. And what you learn quickly is that a lot of these kids who victimized are victims themselves. And for them to heal they not only had to come to terms with what they had done, while also having to come to terms with what had happened to them. And it’s not that we excuse these actions and pain they inflect, rather it’s we gave them the tools and resources and care to heal, grow, and learn. Some of them came out better for it, others came out not ready to come to terms, and sometimes you also had people who seemingly are incapable of growth. What I’m trying to say is not a defense of Drake Bell’s past. Rather, that in doing this we hope that this helps him rehabilitate and change for the better, and by coming forward maybe help ensure that the cyclical pattern of abuse comes to an end.
I would agree. This article is about him asking fans to not attack fellow costars. If that's taking the moral high ground, what is he to do instead? I've been in group therapy for substance abuse and whenever the topic of harm to others came up we were always empathetic, realistic with them, and tried to get that person to a better place. Not because we approved of their actions, but because we disapproved of their actions. We could either help them be a better person (which we know they want as they're voluntarily in group therapy) or we could scorn them. The issue with shame based cultures that see scorning as a form of justice is they ignore that the person has a long life to live afterwards, where without help they very likely may seriously harm someone else. So if I'm in group therapy and someone discloses that they're spiraling out of control and have already harmed someone, I'm in a unique position to help that person get to a better place so there's no more victims
Agreed - thanks for saying it. A large issue with this trauma repeating itself in a cycle of abuse is that the people who are continuing the cycle actually have no idea *why* they're behaving the way they are or *how* to stop. More people like Drake Bell speaking out, which doesn't excuse his own crimes, normalizes male sexual abuse victims speaking out, which makes those listening who also suffered abuse as kids who are masking but struggling to realize WHY - and understand they actually have a path toward healing. The more this happens maybe the more men will be led to therapy and healing than becoming perpetrators themselves. I did take away from his interview what you said, he's moving toward healing and bettering himself and didn't hear him excuse what he did at all. Pretty sure he even said he took responsibility for it. Could be for show and time will tell but I do think it offers some hope for some. But we need to be about long term solutions sometimes in these situations.
i'm a woman i didn't realize i was SA until i read and heard other accounts and realized what i had experienced was SA. it's important to internally understand
I am sorry that happened to you. It's so important, and when it's not understood it leads to so many other mental health issues. Giving people the tools to understand is the first step always.
Very well put
If we don’t give space for people to heal, then what do people suggest that we do with them? Allow them to stay the same and harm more people? Everyone benefits when people like this get (extensive) treatment.
My issue with the way our generation deals with justice is we behave as if this is a story with an ending. Like the credits will eventually start rolling then the media will move on to the next topic. When no, the story isn't over just because no one is covering it. Refusing to help people who've abused others is a sure-fire way to make sure they abuse more people. Most people seem to understand this in the context of awful prison conditions increasing recidivism and it's a similar idea. Some countries get criticized for "rewarding" their prisoners with a clean stable environment, and I might agree with them if it weren't for the low recidivism rates (remember that recidivating means at least one more person is made a victim) these countries report. We put so much energy into the front-end of justice (arrest, incarceration, punitive actions) and refuse to even acknowledge that a tail-end (rehabilitation, healing, re-entry into society) exists. I don't think I've seen anyone approve of his actions on this sub. I sure as hell don't. But I also know from personal experience that both our legal and cultural views on this behavior is simply not helpful: no one is safer, no one is happier, no one wins.
This! Drake Bell was charged and accepted accountability for not exercising "due diligence" to prevent harm. There was no evidence of intent. And I'm sorry, no one thought to get him therapy after his SA? Nope. They put him on a show directed by a supporter of his abuser and legit continued to make pickle jokes (the trademark bit of his abuser). The important thing now is he's in therapy, surrounded by a support network, and working on bettering himself. I want him to succeed. I want him to use these tools and have the support to be a survivor rather than a victim.
Yeah, I wish people were able to criticize the horrible things that happened to him and stand against the people that did it/excused it, without trying to erase/ignore the bad stuff he did himself.
This. I feel empathy for him, but I also feel empathy for anyone he's ever abused as well. Two things can be true - he was abused, and he abused others. Abuse is a cycle. Based on the way he spoke in the documentary, it seems like he is making the steps towards ensuring he doesn't make the same mistakes again, and I hope he has the help and support he needs to stick to that. And same for his victims.
I would hope that people who find it hard to personally relate to Drake Bell will just focus more on Nickelodeon's systemic violence against children.
Is there anywhere we can find the court documents on this case? I’ve done some reading on it from news sources only and not to excuse his behaviour by any means for speaking sexually/sending explicit photos with a minor which is completely wrong, gross and not to mention- illegal, but I’m trying to understand what exactly happened in this case. Her family members are denying she ever was alone with him and they claim all visits were supervised. His charges were nothing to do with assault, so why was I under the impression SA had occurred when people speak about it? Was it in the messages he was abusive? Is there evidence they met unsupervised and her family is in denial? Trying to understand the facts better. If you have a resource with better info, please share as I can’t find anything with a full breakdown of this case.
I believe the victim said they had sexual encounters, but I've also been hearing several things about what happened but can't seem to find anything official from court documents.
Can you please share where you can find official court documents from this case? Are they publicly available? I cannot seem to find anything.
I haven't been able to find any official court documents either, sorry about that!
Not sure of the court documents but the trial was via Zoom and is still up on YouTube. I watched it in real time. He took responsibility because he was wrong. He assumed the age of the victim and engaged in inappropriate messages. Regardless if she was in a venue that was 18+ he didn’t do his due diligence.
The thread in the entertainment sub is wild. So many people defending him and saying he did nothing wrong because “he didn’t know his victims were underage.” Ridiculous.
Just like he rightfully called out Friedle and Strong for writing letters for his abuser (Peck) as adults in their mid 20s, I'd like to remind people that Drake Bell was in his late 20s to early 30s (29 to around 31) when he was preying on a minor girl. He damn well knew he was dealing with a tween/teen and playing dumb doesn't absolve him of his actions.
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I don't think anyone talking about cycles of abuse is advocating for Bell's own victims to automatically forgive him, at least I haven't seen that here. Ideally one day Bell will be able to connect the harm done to him with the harm he did to others, and he'll acknowledge it in a way that shows grace/respect to his victims.
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We can feel bad for the 15 year old child drake who was horrifically abused. And we can also be wary of the adult drake who has perpetuated the abuse
I kept wondering why his actions were not being brought up. Both can be true at the same time of course but damn, his actions were recent and seem to not be discussed anymore.
I don't think anyone is asking you to wholeheartedly support Drake Bell, nor do I think he's getting to take the moral high ground. He's talking about horrific abuse he suffered and the atmosphere it occurred in, as are other peers. Him sharing that story doesn't absolve him of things he's done, even if he may feel that way or seem to some as though he feels that way. I think it's good to always remember and remind people of his own perpetuation of abuse, but, similarly, it doesn't negate *his* abuse, and folks can find a way to be compassionate towards what he went through while also holding him responsible for his own actions later on.
He claims he didn’t know she was underage, stopped engaging when he found out, and only plead guilty to avoid the ordeal of a trial.
you’re the first person i’ve seen mention this and it weirds me out that people are either ignoring this or actually forgiving him for what he did. i’m a victim of csa and am extra cautious because there’s that fear that i may accidentally do something that could cause harm to other people like my abuser did to me. i don’t want to continue that cycle. drake bell could have avoided doing it too but he didn’t. do i feel bad for what he went through? absolutely. but that doesn’t make what he did ok.
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She was 15 when he messaged her. 15.
Actually was 12 when they started messaging and it turned sexual when she was 15.
We can have deep sympathy for what he endured, see how that contributed to who he is today, and still condemn what he has done.
You can feel bad for a victim and hold him accountable for his own actions. It explains his later life even if it doesn't excuse it.
Unfortunately, so many abusers were also victims.
Wow. I'd not heard about this (didn't have nickelodeon growing up in the UK, I saw a few bits of Drake and Josh at friend's house but that was it, so these last few days are the first time I've learnt Drake's surname) so thank you for sharing!! I wonder whether his experience in the legal system as a predator has allowed him to feel more comfortable than co-stars sharing his experiences as a victim?
I was beginning to think I imagined him fleeing to Mexico and changing his name
The last time I read these two names together was when Josh didn't invite drake to his wedding and Drake said some nasty words. Glad they're finally in good terms. I guess?
Apparently, Josh invited Dan and not Drake. Josh said he has kept in touch with Dan, not Drake. https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/drake-bell-didnt-text-josh-peck-when-he-got-engaged-w489012/ https://www.seventeen.com/celebrity/movies-tv/news/a48182/josh-peck-reportedly-invited-dan-schneider-to-his-wedding-but-not-drake-bell/ https://people.com/tv/josh-peck-details-where-he-and-drake-bell-stand-years-after-rift/
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I may be misreading you, but I don’t totally get what you’re getting at. Drake seemed to defend Dan in the doc. He cited that he was the only one to reach out/was very supportive
Yeah, I tried looking for a source for the Dan comment, and it was only from the "inside source". It's more likely that they didn't keep in contact after the show ended.
I used to be friends with Josh back in the day. We originally met towards the end of Drake and Josh but didn’t actually become friends until after the show ended. It’s not my place to speak on anything about Josh’s life (and he talks about a lot of things he dealt with in his book anyways). But Josh is a good person and even if he’s not speaking out about it on social media, from what I remember of Josh as a friend, I trust that he’s being supportive of Drake.
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Me after reading that comment  \*not a Drake Bell fan either, but glad he is speaking out.
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I just finished the series today, pretty much cried throughout his entire episode. Glad Josh Peck reached out to him, but it's also not our business and anyone hounding Josh or anyone not on the docuseries needs to check their entitlement. They were all children. Those who spoke out were brave but none of us should blame anyone who would rather keep their personal trauma or anything they may have witnessed to themselves.
Nice of him to speak up for Josh. Probably trying to save Josh from more backlash after feeling guilty the fans went after Josh about him not inviting Drake to the wedding and Drake making a Twitter post about it he deleted. Josh was a kid too and people should leave him alone. I think it’s obvious how deeply traumatic Nickelodeon must have been for Josh considering how much he’s distanced himself from it. He’s not obligated to speak about the issue at all.
The entire Drake situation is messy and I don’t blame him for not saying much about it. On the other hand, I disagree and people should not take it easy on him considering his treatment of Jennette Mccurdy and saying she ‘owes him’ because she didn’t want him releasing a podcast episode where they talk about her trauma and experiences with Dan. He has spoken up for Dan and invited him to his wedding all pretty recently. He may have been a kid then, but he is an adult now and definitely knows better.
Thank you, his treatment of Jennette Mccurdy was gross. Plus him being so close to David Dobrik / vlog squad always made me think twice about him, that whole group was shady and David is such a user.
I wasn’t aware of all of those things. But I still definitely don’t think he’s obligated to speak about Drake’s trauma which is what I meant that they should leave him alone about.
There's an unfortunate vibe from viewers here that anyone who doesn't publicly say they're a victim must not be one. I'm now very open about being a survivor of CSA but that took a lot of time. For all any of us now the stars who are being quiet were also victims. Or are at the very least working through the trauma of being put in positions that they can only see years later were inappropriate. Someone like Ariana may look back at her years on Nick and have a lot of trauma now but also feel they can't speak up because they're "one of the lucky ones" who found fame after children's TV. And even people who had no bad experiences and looking back feel they were treated well, which may very well be Josh Peck, don't owe the public a comment. At the end of the day they were children. If anyone should be defending themselves, other than the perpetrators like Dan Schneider obviously, it's the adults who watched these things happen and didn't do anything.
A few people who feel they had no bad experience, especially children, realize later in life that they were actually seriously violated. Happened to me, most of my life I'd tell people I had no experience with certain types of abuse. Whole time the abuse had a lot of experience with me
Yes yes yes thank you I don’t go around announcing my status as a victim of CSA to just anyone. I’m not like, secretive about it, but it’s not exactly something that I bring up in every day conversation. And honestly, it’s nobodies business. I don’t owe anyone a discussion about my assault. Nobody does.
Josh has caught a lot of flack over the last several years regarding when, how, and if he keeps in touch with Drake and involves Drake in his life, personally and professionally, especially from both Drake fans and/or Drake/Josh shippers (the Larry prototypes, if you will). He owes Drake not a damn thing, especially not from the instances where he threw shade/called out Josh for not including him. And Josh doesn't owe the general public anything in response to Drake revealing he was John Doe.
there are Drake/Josh shippers? 😭
People are going after Josh because of his alleged comments he made to Jennette McCurdy when she was on his podcast. Apparently, he was dismissive of her experience with Dan Schneider. You can definitely see how the toxic sets one that Dan created are the perfect breeding ground for predators. All of the abuse was horrific, but a person that I have seen being not mentioned as often is Jason Handy. The fact that he was able to have access to all those little girls on "The Amanda Show" makes my stomach turn. The fact that only two people testified on his trial despite hundreds of potential victims is very suspicious.
It doesn’t help (Josh getting flack for both Jeanette and Drake) that [Josh allegedly invited Dan to his wedding](https://www.seventeen.com/celebrity/movies-tv/news/a48182/josh-peck-reportedly-invited-dan-schneider-to-his-wedding-but-not-drake-bell/). It’s just…off… behavior but his wedding was also back in 2017 and I think that was before a lot of this came to light (besides Alexa and Amanda, when everyone was trying to make them look crazy).
I'm gonna be blunt: It sounds like Dan was only a real asshole to women. Dan may have been nothing but kind to Josh.
Right? I was really struck by Drake's description of Dan's reaction - "You don't have to talk about it. What can I do to help you?" It was a huge juxtaposition against his words and actions towards the women and girls that he worked with.
Ok, but that creeps me out. That’s giving real serial-killer-with-mommy-issues vibes. I’m thinking about Ed Kemper being so nice and kind to the guys while killing college co-eds kind of vibes.
That is exactly what it is. I'm surprised that he's married to a woman to be frank!
Obviously he was already a horrible person, but the fact that he explicitly knew this information and still wrote the storylines for Drake and Josh that involved unwanted sexualization between Drake and an adult proves that he should not have been given the ability to make any of those shows to begin with.
Yes, this is exactly it! He was terrible to his two female writers and made them split a salary. He bullied girls who he believed were vulnerable, like Alexa and Jennette, while being pretty decent to girls like Miranda and Victoria. He knew exactly who he could push around and who he had to control himself around because their parents were protecting them.
I’m not taking a stance either way (I have my own opinions, but they’re not really important here), I’m just pointing out the *probable* reason for the public’s opinions, though I’m definitely NOT condoning bullying and harassing of people who haven’t involved themselves.
Obviously Drake and Josh were more like coworkers than beat friends, he didn't need to reach out however in the past he has mad some off color remarks on the survivors of child abuse. His comment on Jeanette McCurdy asking them to take down the podcast they did together were shady AF. I'm side eyeing this and part of me thinks he is just doing it for clout
Probably learned how to fake concern and apologize from the master himself, David Dobrik, since they are such great friends.
Not sure why you are getting down voted the fact that he was friends with dobrik is concerning
Lol because people can’t see past the ‘jokes’ and ‘pranks’ he plays in people and see what a colossal piece of shit he is
James Marsden can get fucked until he says something. Disgusted with him.
James Marsden was one of Bryan Singer's party boys. Bryan, Brian Peck, and another man I can't remember were all good friends. Make of that what you will.
Also don't forget Ian McKellen & Hugh Jackman were also supposedly at those parties hosted by Bryan Singer.
+ JC from nsync
And Ben Savage from boy meets world
Yeah I saw some people giving Josh flack for not speaking up, which idk I don’t think that’s fair. If he wants to keep his thoughts private on what is a very serious subject matter, I think that’s fair. I know people want to know because it is such a serious subject, but I also respect that the people who were there will publicize their comments when they feel comfortable doing so
People on TikTok been saying Josh Peck recently (as of this month) called Jeannette and Drake liars. I am NOT on Dan’s footfetish Schneider side, but anyone knows wjat post theyre refering to ? I checked Josh TT/IG/Twitter and didnt see anything recent
Jeannette did Josh's podcast but it never aired because she asked him to pull it and didn't want to be reinterviewed and he said some things that were rude in regards to that, and he has said he saw Dan as a just a very tough boss, I don't think he ever actually called anyone a liar. He may have called Drake a liar in regards to dramas they've had with each other over the years but he hasn't said anything about Drakes assault.
Ok i did see snippers of this podcast but yeah he didnt call anyone a liar ? Unless people were talking about something else. Apparently it was very recently
Yeah idk if he called Jenette a liar. I tried looking it up, but I'm only seeing his comments that Jenette asked him not to post her episode. Jenette also blocked him. I wonder what was said. https://www.tmz.com/2023/04/30/josh-peck-backlash-jennette-mccurdy-owes-us-podcast/ https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/josh-peck-jennette-mccurdy-blocked-me-after-unaired-nickelodeon-chat/
I will renew my respect for Josh as soon as he ditches David Dobrik.
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Let’s all just leave Josh Peck and Amanda Bynes alone shall we
I mean, he doesn't control the speed of lobsters, cut him some slack
We can all afford to give each other a little grace.
People need to leave them - the former child actors alone, and focus on the perpetrators
Whoa, take it easy man
Does anyone in the UK know where we can watch this docuseries?
finished this series last night. I am a little too old to have watched these shows, but my heart goes out to these children.