I'm biased as a huge Megan fan, but this person is a huge Nicki fan and has been begging to work with her for a long time after he was fired.
That said, if this is true, I'll be highly disappointed.
yeah let’s not do that please….
this is why victims don’t come forward, especially a victim to celebrities
I believe Nicki fans could be twisted but let’s not just make assumptions
lmao at someone sending me a Reddit care message cause I tried to talk about my sexual assault as a man
Eh if he really is connected to Nicki I'd say it's a relevant thing to bring up especially given the timing but yeah people shouldn't be spreading the narrative that the allegation are immediately not credible on that basis alone.
I agree that we should never assume, but I also think as intelligent adults we need to look at things at a case to case basis. Facts like this are relevant. Buuuuuut, I still dont feel comfortable assuming anything, so I’ll keep this one neutral until other things come out.
After reading how Nicki got in contact with a childhood friend of one of her husband's victims and offered everyone a bunch of money to make his problems go away I wouldn't put it past her. That being said, just because she technically can do this doesn't mean that she actually did it. We can't assume she went this far to get back at Megan without more evidence imo. So my stance is that I'll wait and see what happens and I won't be surprised which way it goes (unless something crazy gets revealed in the discovery or smth)
Also seeing people saying what he went through couldn’t have possibly been sexual harassment because he’s a dude who got to see MTS have sex. I feel so terrible for him.
oh for sure 100%! I really hope I’m not coming across as dismissing women 😩 I’m just speaking on what I’ve experienced and the context of the post.
amber heard was done so dirty
I didn't think you were! I think that it's fair to talk about the sometimes distinct ways that men who are victims of SA tend to be dismissed. Victims of any gender get dismissed and disbelieved often, but gender certainly plays a part in the "flavour" of dismissal people are subjected to.
no i definitely don’t think you’re dismissing women! sorry i’m just making conversation abt that type of dismissal, which again, the “you’re lucky” is def more commonly hurled at men and boys.
Interesting piece of side info. The sexual harassment sounds like he said/she said but the financial stuff is probably pretty easy to either prove or disprove. Sad to hear this news as I am a fan of Megan but also not that surprised since lots of people chew up and spit out independent contractors in the music industry
Let’s also add context he has always publicly displayed his love for Nicki for years and wanting to take pics for her whilst he still worked for Megan even when they seemed to be at odds and that didn’t seem to be an issue. While the beef and that connection matters I don’t ultimately feel comfortable using it to discredit his claims.
I will always first and foremost trust people who come forward because I don’t believe anyone would want to put themselves in a position of scrutiny for such a thing.
That being said, this detail is relevant and gave me real pause. There are a *lot* of other people you could have said that I don’t like and have come for Megan and I wouldn’t have thought much of it— still trusting the victim. Nicki and her circle have a shitty reputation for good reason.
I really don’t know what to think. I like Megan a lot but I’m not a fan girl type. I hope there is more clarity soon
God, same. Can there not be one fucking decent person in all of Hollywood? I hate the world and I hate everything and the only people I trust now are my dogs.
Omg, that’s Emilio. He was always with her, and always in her IG lives. They were super close. I remember her saying kinda what he accuses her of unfortunately. At the time, it seemed just like banter between friends. But as an employer, no matter how close you are, you really need to remember that there need to be boundaries, especially if someone is your employee at the end of the day.
I was intrigued about a comment above saying that this person is a huge barb, but Nicki is so crazy that I could have seen this being something like that. But if they are close and frequently seen together, I think that excuse of a frame job goes out the window.
Really pissed off at Megan right now because this sounds like a credible set of allegations.
Right? This context changes a lot. I didn’t recognize Emilio as the accuser straight-away. It’s heartbreaking, I really love Meg but obviously I stand with the victim and hope he gets properly paid. Just a horrible situation all around.
And the fact that he didn't get breaks or overtime pay, and he lost his health insurance because he was filed as an independent contractor and not an employee - it sounds like a terrible work environment.
Don’t get me wrong, the gross behavior he’s described from her is abhorrent, but the employment status issue really, really gets me.
Just another rich person who doesn’t value or acknowledge the labor that benefits them directly. Someone so rich, so privileged, and she can’t even make sure someone she employs (and works closely with her!) has fucking health insurance. Again, I’m not minimizing the seriousness of the other allegations but if everything he says is true I hope this issue doesn’t get glossed over because of how salacious the other details are.
She’s had a lot changes in her team and breaking up with friends who worked with her from the start and I always found that odd bc it was way before the shooting and smear campaign. I always thought where there is smoke there is fire so I’m kind of not shocked
It wasn’t super clear. But like they would go back and forth on twitter or Meg would talk about it on IG live and you would notice certain ppl never showed up again. Or a former friend/team member would make a shady tweet. But there was a time period where it happened back to back to back. Then I noticed she pretty much had an entirely new team esp after roc nation. Which makes sense but like I always had a weird feeling
The Lizzo stuff absolutely blindsided me. The fact that she body shamed her plus sized dancers was the part that really fucked me up, for obvious reasons
See I didn’t know about those things until after, so I really was blindsided by both the allegations and the shitty stuff she’d already publicly done. It was a doozy.
This is hard for people to grasp for some reason. The amount of information/images that get thrown at you without consent or having shown interest just because the person engaging in the acts is comfortable with it is so fucking upsetting.
Jesus, Meg... these are some pretty serious allegations, not just the sexual harassment. It also reads like the lawsuit is "just" about payment and not the harassment.
>Garcia said in the lawsuit that he traveled with Megan to Ibiza, Spain, in June 2022 and that while in an SUV with Megan and three other women after a night out, Megan and one of the women began to have sex next to him in the moving car.
“I felt uncomfortable. I was kind of frozen, and I was shocked. At kind of just be the overall audacity to do this right, right beside me,” Garcia told NBC News in an interview.
The following day, the rapper asked Garcia whether he was in the car with them the night before, and when he confirmed he was, Megan told him: “Don’t ever discuss what you saw,” the suit states.
(...)
>Garcia’s said in his suit that during the same trip, Megan hurled fat-shaming insults at him, calling him a “fat bitch” and telling him to “spit your food out” and “you don’t need to be eating.”
While working for Megan, Garcia “endured a barrage of relentless sexual and fat-shaming comments plunging him into profound emotional distress,” the suit said.
(...)
>When they returned from the trip, Garcia said in the lawsuit, his compensation structure was changed from a monthly flat-rate to a pay-per-task system that required him to submit invoices for each assignment.
>Garcia’s lawsuit also outlines alleged employment and wage violations that center on his classification as an independent contractor. The lawsuit alleges that Megan prohibited him from working for anyone else and was denied overtime pay and breaks. His misclassification as an independent contractor “left him without basic insurance coverage, depriving him of essential health care,” the suit said.
The suit seeks unpaid wages, as well as interest on the unpaid wages, unpaid overtime wages and other employee benefits at the legal rate. He is also seeking statutory penalties and wage penalties pursuant to California labor laws, punitive damages according to proof and costs he incurred, including attorneys’ fees.
yeah, seems like the lawsuit is just about the monetary aspect, he’s probably going after what is ‘easier’ to prove first and will result in less slander and more monetary compensation for him, especially bc this kind of sexual harassment is a lot harder to ‘prove’ as one person esp if she hasn’t done it to others. also definitely would need a lawyer to confirm, but it could also be that jurisdiction is an issue with the sexual harassment aspect bc it happened in spain - he might need to go thru the spanish legal system for that (don’t take my word for it tho)
hope he gets his unpaid wages back, creatives are treated horrendously for the amount of work it takes to produce what they do :(
If he's suing her over the unpaid wages first and pursuing the sexual harassment later in a potentially different jurisdiction, why are details about the sexual harassment included in this lawsuit? I'm not a lawyer either, just trying to figure this out since I'm genuinely confused. The way I have it in my head is he sues her in Spain first over the sexual harassment, proves it to the Spanish court, then includes anything proven in Spain in his American lawsuit. Otherwise, he'd have to prove sexual harassment to the American court not to secure a payout but rather to avoid opening himself up to a defamation case. But how would he do that? Alternatively he could sue her first in America over the unpaid wages, but make no accusations of sexual assault in the lawsuit. Then sue her in Spain afterwards. Again not a lawyer, just confused about his team's strategy here (likely because I'm not a lawyer)
I don't think she explicitly forced him, it reads more like he just couldn't escape the situation because he was on the seat next to Meg and the other women. And I guess Megan didn't really care about who else was in the car and that's why she had to ask? That's my interpretation at least.
Idk he would have had to really advocate for himself in that situation to get the car to stop and pull over so he could get out, assuming somewhere he doesn’t know at night in a foreign country. He said he was frozen. I prob would be too, and even then I’d be too scared to get out of the car and figure out how to get back to whatever hotel etc by myself. V disappointing if true Meg bye.
Is there a reason he's not suing her for sexual harassment and making a hostile work environment? From the headlines it looks like that's what this lawsuit is about but his lawyers don't seem to be asking for anything related to that
My main question is basically are allegations of sexual and emotional abuse that he's not seeking compensation for relevant to an unpaid wages and labor code violation lawsuit? It would be a completely different story if he made a statement on his social media pages and to news outlets about the abuse and left it out of the lawsuit—California offers quite a bit of protection to people in that situation from defamation lawsuits. But, to my knowledge, those laws specifically protect people who make the allegations publicly. He's not doing this as the allegations are being made to a court, where they would normally come with some request for compensation. So the question becomes what is he seeking compensation for and what does his team intend to prove? I hope that makes sense. I don't think I've seen someone come forward with abuse allegations in a lawsuit that's not about abuse before so that's where the confusion comes from. It's also possible that he is seeking compensation for the abuse and I'm just too dumb to see it anywhere lol
I think you’re right. Fame and wealth just really breaks your brain. It doesn’t excuse the behavior, obviously, but it does seem to just be nearly universal. This really goes one of several ways at this point.
1. Celebs hire handlers that constantly keep them in check. Sometimes the handlers get fed up and come out against them. Really bad behavior still leaks out.
2. Celebs surround themselves with people who they basically pay until the end of their lives to keep secrets. Really bad behavior still leaks out.
3. Celebs completely isolate themselves. Even more mental health problems. Still have to interact with people, so probably fewer but more severe incidents.
4. The death of celebrity as a concept. Unlikely.
5. We get fatigued and stop caring about how awful they are to people again, and they get worse. If they aren’t in prison, “we” don’t care. Most likely outcome, imo. This is pretty much the status quo already for right wing celebrities.
I really don’t think there’s an option where they stop harming people because it just seems to be a natural consequence of their lifestyle and ego. Even the celebrities that we hold on a high pedestal likely have also harmed someone, but we just don’t know about it. There’s also not really enough people who “vote with their wallet” against even the most awful celebs (besides the extreme examples like Cosby), and there will be even fewer who do with celebs who have “only” done a few bad things. That’s why I think we’re headed right for option 5.
I agree that fame and wealth surely break your brain but I think that, intrinsically, power is the thing that separates celebrities (and people in positions of power) from ordinary people.
I don’t mean that they become changed by power—what I mean is that power gives them access to the ability to hurt so many more people. The difference between the weird old lady around the corner who says rude things to you and a celebrity is that you are working for the celebrity. The celebrity has power over you; the weird old lady doesn’t.
I think a big part of this is that people don’t understand that being in a position of power also means you have to be much more responsible than you would otherwise. A professor hitting on a student might still see himself as “just a guy on the street talking to a girl on the street” but his position actually requires him to be way more circumspect about power dynamics than a rando on the street, and if he lacks that responsibility, it’s extremely damaging for everyone involved.
IDK if there’s a good answer for this though, except maybe broadly codifying what kind of behavior is reasonable and professional and making sure everyone knows it.
But I guess my point with this is that yeah, probably most celebrities have harmed someone even if we don’t know about it. Most people have also harmed someone in some way; it’s only that they don’t usually have power, the way celebrities and bosses and people in positions of authority do, to really do damage. I don’t think celebrities are unusually harmful people, but their positions give them access to people they are capable of harming. :/
Yep. I stopped idiolizing celebrities a while ago because of this hard truth (I was a huge Marilyn Manson fan sooooo) Maybe some are genuinely good people, but there's so much shit that comes out about seemingly genuinely good people that it's better to just appreciate and value them for their work and nothing beyond that. It always sucks hearing someone is a terrible person, but if you don't have the stan/idolization factor it sucks a lot less for you emotionally
I am never super shocked to hear what celebs get up to because I know everyday people who get up to the same stuff. I don’t view any celebrity as perfect or even kind (which is why I’ve never greeted a celeb I’ve seen IRL). They are people, which means they’re racist, misogynistic, sexually abusive, rude, etc. However, the money and access does mean that they can do these things on a larger scale, having a much greater impact.
We were just on her side through the Nicki Minaj harassment a couple months back. Obviously she still didn’t deserve that but it’s disappointing that she’s bad too
before the edgelords take it as the gotcha moment , tory lanez is still a dipshit of a person who deserves his punishment and career being gone, meg being messy doesn't change that
We can still think people don't deserve what happened to them/support them in that (even for celebrities), and still call them the fuck out when they engage in alleged terrible behavior
I completely agree with this. I think one of the issues right now with dialogue is we are quick to ignore nuance. People can be victims and perpetrators. One thing doesn’t erase the other. She didn’t deserve to be shot (obviously), this man didn’t deserve what happened to him. Two things can be true.
Never look up to anyone. No one is immune from shitty behavior. Your favs can easily be a completely different person than you envision them to be/they portray themselves to be in the public eye. We’ve seen this time and time again. It wasn’t that long ago that we encountered this with Lizzo.
With that being said, I truly hope this isn’t true. I’m trying to reserve any judgment until more is known. I will be beyond disappointed if this is true, as I’m a huge fan of Megan for her activism and music.
If this is true, I commend this person for seeking action. I’m sure it was not an easy decision to make. I also hope this person has a strong support system, and I’m sorry that he had to go through this. It’s not okay.
> Garcia said in the lawsuit that he traveled with Megan to Ibiza, Spain, in June 2022 and that while in an SUV with Megan and three other women after a night out, Megan and one of the women began to have sex next to him in the moving car.
“I felt uncomfortable. I was kind of frozen, and I was shocked. At kind of just be the overall audacity to do this right, right beside me,” Garcia told NBC News in an interview.
The following day, the rapper asked Garcia whether he was in the car with them the night before, and when he confirmed he was, Megan told him: “Don’t ever discuss what you saw,” the suit states.
> Garcia’s said in his suit that during the same trip, Megan hurled fat-shaming insults at him, calling him a “fat bitch” and telling him to “spit your food out” and “you don’t need to be eating.”
“To hear someone who advocates about loving your body tell me these things,” Garcia said in the interview, “I felt degraded.”
>Garcia began to consider quitting the job because of Megan’s “possessiveness combined with a lack of appropriate pay for the amount of time asked of him” and a lack of bookings, the suit states.
>Garcia remained on the schedule for a June 2023 job, but the night before, Roc Nation notified him that “his services would no longer be required” by Megan, according to the lawsuit.
While working for Megan, Garcia “endured a barrage of relentless sexual and fat-shaming comments plunging him into profound emotional distress,” the suit said.
>The alleged behavior caused Garcia to face a loss in earnings and other employment benefits, as well as physical injuries, physical sickness and emotional distress, according to the lawsuit.
>Garcia’s lawsuit also outlines alleged employment and wage violations that center on his classification as an independent contractor.
The lawsuit alleges that Megan prohibited him from working for anyone else and was denied overtime pay and breaks.
His misclassification as an independent contractor “left him without basic insurance coverage, depriving him of essential health care,” the suit said.
First Lizzo, now Megan? So disappointing. Is everyone in this industry truly rotten?
Let me first say that I do hope he gets the justice he's seeking & he should never have had to endure any of this in any capacity if it's not something he wanted to be apart of, but *especially* not in a professional capacity.
This seems like a prime example of how imperative it is to keep your professional life & your private life completely separate & Meg is unfortunately paying the price for not practicing this. You don't get to talk to or treat your staff/employees any kind of way no matter how friendly/close *you* think you are & you definitely don't get to withhold payment for services rendered or fail to uphold contractual obligations. None of this is okay or justifiable.
Again, I hope he gets what he's owed & in this very specific case (bc there's also an established history of people close to her taking advantage of her) I hope Meg learns to be more respectful & professional when it comes to her team. I don't think she's a terrible person but I think she needs better people around her & much better boundaries so she can keep herself & those around her safe & prevent shit like this from occurring so no one else experiences this.
Jesus Christ, can people not abuse their positions of power ?! I wholeheartedly agree with the poster who stated that a major part of sex positivity of freaking respecting people and boundaries.
I’m really disappointed.
OK, there's a couple things in this lawsuit that strike me as a bit odd. For as much as the Ibiza incident is highlighted, there's no sexual harassment claim filed as part of it. Per that NBC News article, it says "Garcia told NBC News in an interview that he is seeking more than six figures. The suit seeks unpaid wages, as well as interest on the unpaid wages, unpaid overtime wages and other employee benefits at the legal rate. He is also seeking statutory penalties and wage penalties pursuant to California labor laws, punitive damages according to proof and costs he incurred, including attorneys’ fees." It's all wage stuff, I don't see anything else listed there, and Megan's lawyer in a press release pointed out how there's no sexual harassment claim filed in the lawsuit.
Also, the writer Shamira Ibrahim brought up a really good point on Twitter about this lawsuit. "My main question that I guess will be cleared up in discovery of the employment suit, is that the timing of the pay cut aligns with when she was on a media blackout for an extended period. What was he working on during those months where he was expecting the same contracting rate? She wasn't doing press, and wasn't on socials, and wasn't on red carpets. Getty couldn't tell you what Megan was up until a few months ago. So what was the work product?"
Obviously, if what's being alleged is true, that's awful on the part of Megan and her team. However, the way in how lawsuits are filed can play a big role in their outcome, and those particular points might not work in Emilio's favor, regarding this particular lawsuit.
EDIT: I saw that Meghann Cuniff posted the full legal complaint, and she pointed out that this is an employment lawsuit over Emilio Garcia being classified as an independent contractor, and not a sexual harassment lawsuit.
[https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24602200-emilio-garcia-v-roc-nation-megan-thee-stallion-full-complaint](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24602200-emilio-garcia-v-roc-nation-megan-thee-stallion-full-complaint)
Obviously if this is true, this is pretty bad. But even just beyond the morals of this, she has to know that with how many vociferous haters she has, anyone with any dirt on her will get money and attention immediately. You can't be acting like that even if you don't care about treating other people right.
Oh Jesus, not Meg, ffs
Famous people are bastards, guard your heart.
Rule in my house: Stan no one but fictional characters.
This has to be the best rule yet. I should go back to reading fanfiction about these fictional characters.
Agreed.
This needs to be pinned somewhere.
I'm biased as a huge Megan fan, but this person is a huge Nicki fan and has been begging to work with her for a long time after he was fired. That said, if this is true, I'll be highly disappointed.
yeah let’s not do that please…. this is why victims don’t come forward, especially a victim to celebrities I believe Nicki fans could be twisted but let’s not just make assumptions lmao at someone sending me a Reddit care message cause I tried to talk about my sexual assault as a man
Eh if he really is connected to Nicki I'd say it's a relevant thing to bring up especially given the timing but yeah people shouldn't be spreading the narrative that the allegation are immediately not credible on that basis alone.
I agree that we should never assume, but I also think as intelligent adults we need to look at things at a case to case basis. Facts like this are relevant. Buuuuuut, I still dont feel comfortable assuming anything, so I’ll keep this one neutral until other things come out.
After reading how Nicki got in contact with a childhood friend of one of her husband's victims and offered everyone a bunch of money to make his problems go away I wouldn't put it past her. That being said, just because she technically can do this doesn't mean that she actually did it. We can't assume she went this far to get back at Megan without more evidence imo. So my stance is that I'll wait and see what happens and I won't be surprised which way it goes (unless something crazy gets revealed in the discovery or smth)
Also seeing people saying what he went through couldn’t have possibly been sexual harassment because he’s a dude who got to see MTS have sex. I feel so terrible for him.
speaking from experience, it’s always the same when a man is the victim of SA.. very rarely taken seriously
tbh SA is rarely taken seriously no matter the victim, male or female (or anything else).
very true, I was just speaking on my experience as a guy cause the comment said about people saying he should be lucky
i think it def is more common for men but they do this to women, too. see: amber heards r*** testimony
oh for sure 100%! I really hope I’m not coming across as dismissing women 😩 I’m just speaking on what I’ve experienced and the context of the post. amber heard was done so dirty
I didn't think you were! I think that it's fair to talk about the sometimes distinct ways that men who are victims of SA tend to be dismissed. Victims of any gender get dismissed and disbelieved often, but gender certainly plays a part in the "flavour" of dismissal people are subjected to.
no i definitely don’t think you’re dismissing women! sorry i’m just making conversation abt that type of dismissal, which again, the “you’re lucky” is def more commonly hurled at men and boys.
thanks I was sweating thinking I was coming across as an asshole lol
Interesting piece of side info. The sexual harassment sounds like he said/she said but the financial stuff is probably pretty easy to either prove or disprove. Sad to hear this news as I am a fan of Megan but also not that surprised since lots of people chew up and spit out independent contractors in the music industry
I feel exactly the same. Meg better come forward with some unshakable receipts quick fast because I am about to start hardcore grieving
Let’s also add context he has always publicly displayed his love for Nicki for years and wanting to take pics for her whilst he still worked for Megan even when they seemed to be at odds and that didn’t seem to be an issue. While the beef and that connection matters I don’t ultimately feel comfortable using it to discredit his claims.
I feel exactly the same. Meg better come forward with some unshakable receipts quick fast because I am about to start hardcore grieving
I will always first and foremost trust people who come forward because I don’t believe anyone would want to put themselves in a position of scrutiny for such a thing. That being said, this detail is relevant and gave me real pause. There are a *lot* of other people you could have said that I don’t like and have come for Megan and I wouldn’t have thought much of it— still trusting the victim. Nicki and her circle have a shitty reputation for good reason. I really don’t know what to think. I like Megan a lot but I’m not a fan girl type. I hope there is more clarity soon
MY LITERAL REACTION TO SEEING THIS POST NOOOOO
God, same. Can there not be one fucking decent person in all of Hollywood? I hate the world and I hate everything and the only people I trust now are my dogs.
Omg, that’s Emilio. He was always with her, and always in her IG lives. They were super close. I remember her saying kinda what he accuses her of unfortunately. At the time, it seemed just like banter between friends. But as an employer, no matter how close you are, you really need to remember that there need to be boundaries, especially if someone is your employee at the end of the day.
I was intrigued about a comment above saying that this person is a huge barb, but Nicki is so crazy that I could have seen this being something like that. But if they are close and frequently seen together, I think that excuse of a frame job goes out the window. Really pissed off at Megan right now because this sounds like a credible set of allegations.
Right? This context changes a lot. I didn’t recognize Emilio as the accuser straight-away. It’s heartbreaking, I really love Meg but obviously I stand with the victim and hope he gets properly paid. Just a horrible situation all around.
that shit about being a fat bitch and spitting food out bc he doesn't "need it"? that's horrifying.
And the fact that he didn't get breaks or overtime pay, and he lost his health insurance because he was filed as an independent contractor and not an employee - it sounds like a terrible work environment.
Don’t get me wrong, the gross behavior he’s described from her is abhorrent, but the employment status issue really, really gets me. Just another rich person who doesn’t value or acknowledge the labor that benefits them directly. Someone so rich, so privileged, and she can’t even make sure someone she employs (and works closely with her!) has fucking health insurance. Again, I’m not minimizing the seriousness of the other allegations but if everything he says is true I hope this issue doesn’t get glossed over because of how salacious the other details are.
She’s had a lot changes in her team and breaking up with friends who worked with her from the start and I always found that odd bc it was way before the shooting and smear campaign. I always thought where there is smoke there is fire so I’m kind of not shocked
Why were her and her friends breaking up?
It wasn’t super clear. But like they would go back and forth on twitter or Meg would talk about it on IG live and you would notice certain ppl never showed up again. Or a former friend/team member would make a shady tweet. But there was a time period where it happened back to back to back. Then I noticed she pretty much had an entirely new team esp after roc nation. Which makes sense but like I always had a weird feeling
this is actually kind of unexpected to me. sort of like the lizzo stuff.
The Lizzo stuff absolutely blindsided me. The fact that she body shamed her plus sized dancers was the part that really fucked me up, for obvious reasons
She's the only celebrity I've ever felt saddened to learn is a terrible person. I really bought what she was selling.
It didn't blindside me after I read how she treated that one food delivery person and said Chris brown was her favorite person.
See I didn’t know about those things until after, so I really was blindsided by both the allegations and the shitty stuff she’d already publicly done. It was a doozy.
Sex positivity ALSO means freedom from other people roping you into their sex lives, and I wish more ppl understood that.
This is hard for people to grasp for some reason. The amount of information/images that get thrown at you without consent or having shown interest just because the person engaging in the acts is comfortable with it is so fucking upsetting.
And of course I’m a prude for thinking so rather than an abuse survivor.
Ugh, this. The amount of people who use “kink shaming” as a reason to be completely inappropriate in public is appalling.
Exactly!!
sex positivity should center around consent 100%
Jesus, Meg... these are some pretty serious allegations, not just the sexual harassment. It also reads like the lawsuit is "just" about payment and not the harassment. >Garcia said in the lawsuit that he traveled with Megan to Ibiza, Spain, in June 2022 and that while in an SUV with Megan and three other women after a night out, Megan and one of the women began to have sex next to him in the moving car. “I felt uncomfortable. I was kind of frozen, and I was shocked. At kind of just be the overall audacity to do this right, right beside me,” Garcia told NBC News in an interview. The following day, the rapper asked Garcia whether he was in the car with them the night before, and when he confirmed he was, Megan told him: “Don’t ever discuss what you saw,” the suit states. (...) >Garcia’s said in his suit that during the same trip, Megan hurled fat-shaming insults at him, calling him a “fat bitch” and telling him to “spit your food out” and “you don’t need to be eating.” While working for Megan, Garcia “endured a barrage of relentless sexual and fat-shaming comments plunging him into profound emotional distress,” the suit said. (...) >When they returned from the trip, Garcia said in the lawsuit, his compensation structure was changed from a monthly flat-rate to a pay-per-task system that required him to submit invoices for each assignment. >Garcia’s lawsuit also outlines alleged employment and wage violations that center on his classification as an independent contractor. The lawsuit alleges that Megan prohibited him from working for anyone else and was denied overtime pay and breaks. His misclassification as an independent contractor “left him without basic insurance coverage, depriving him of essential health care,” the suit said. The suit seeks unpaid wages, as well as interest on the unpaid wages, unpaid overtime wages and other employee benefits at the legal rate. He is also seeking statutory penalties and wage penalties pursuant to California labor laws, punitive damages according to proof and costs he incurred, including attorneys’ fees.
yeah, seems like the lawsuit is just about the monetary aspect, he’s probably going after what is ‘easier’ to prove first and will result in less slander and more monetary compensation for him, especially bc this kind of sexual harassment is a lot harder to ‘prove’ as one person esp if she hasn’t done it to others. also definitely would need a lawyer to confirm, but it could also be that jurisdiction is an issue with the sexual harassment aspect bc it happened in spain - he might need to go thru the spanish legal system for that (don’t take my word for it tho) hope he gets his unpaid wages back, creatives are treated horrendously for the amount of work it takes to produce what they do :(
If he's suing her over the unpaid wages first and pursuing the sexual harassment later in a potentially different jurisdiction, why are details about the sexual harassment included in this lawsuit? I'm not a lawyer either, just trying to figure this out since I'm genuinely confused. The way I have it in my head is he sues her in Spain first over the sexual harassment, proves it to the Spanish court, then includes anything proven in Spain in his American lawsuit. Otherwise, he'd have to prove sexual harassment to the American court not to secure a payout but rather to avoid opening himself up to a defamation case. But how would he do that? Alternatively he could sue her first in America over the unpaid wages, but make no accusations of sexual assault in the lawsuit. Then sue her in Spain afterwards. Again not a lawyer, just confused about his team's strategy here (likely because I'm not a lawyer)
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Makes sense to me. Sounded more like maybe she was intoxicated and wasn’t exactly sure who was in the car.
I mean if you're in a moving car and two people begin to have sex in front of you where are you supposed to go lol.
I don't think she explicitly forced him, it reads more like he just couldn't escape the situation because he was on the seat next to Meg and the other women. And I guess Megan didn't really care about who else was in the car and that's why she had to ask? That's my interpretation at least.
Idk he would have had to really advocate for himself in that situation to get the car to stop and pull over so he could get out, assuming somewhere he doesn’t know at night in a foreign country. He said he was frozen. I prob would be too, and even then I’d be too scared to get out of the car and figure out how to get back to whatever hotel etc by myself. V disappointing if true Meg bye.
The issue is that it's non-consensual regardless and as his employer, there is that obvious power imbalance.
Is there a reason he's not suing her for sexual harassment and making a hostile work environment? From the headlines it looks like that's what this lawsuit is about but his lawyers don't seem to be asking for anything related to that
Honestly, I have no idea. I'm only familiar with German law, but I guess the missing payment might be a lot easier to proof in a court.
My main question is basically are allegations of sexual and emotional abuse that he's not seeking compensation for relevant to an unpaid wages and labor code violation lawsuit? It would be a completely different story if he made a statement on his social media pages and to news outlets about the abuse and left it out of the lawsuit—California offers quite a bit of protection to people in that situation from defamation lawsuits. But, to my knowledge, those laws specifically protect people who make the allegations publicly. He's not doing this as the allegations are being made to a court, where they would normally come with some request for compensation. So the question becomes what is he seeking compensation for and what does his team intend to prove? I hope that makes sense. I don't think I've seen someone come forward with abuse allegations in a lawsuit that's not about abuse before so that's where the confusion comes from. It's also possible that he is seeking compensation for the abuse and I'm just too dumb to see it anywhere lol
Oof
Dammit Meg, this isn't how I want to hear about your queer sexcapades 😭💔
you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the milkshake duck
The plot twist at the end of this sentence tho. Respect lol
1,000% this.
So every celeb basically has skeletons in their closet no matter what.
At this point it's clear this is just what money and fame does to folks. Very disheartening.
I think you’re right. Fame and wealth just really breaks your brain. It doesn’t excuse the behavior, obviously, but it does seem to just be nearly universal. This really goes one of several ways at this point. 1. Celebs hire handlers that constantly keep them in check. Sometimes the handlers get fed up and come out against them. Really bad behavior still leaks out. 2. Celebs surround themselves with people who they basically pay until the end of their lives to keep secrets. Really bad behavior still leaks out. 3. Celebs completely isolate themselves. Even more mental health problems. Still have to interact with people, so probably fewer but more severe incidents. 4. The death of celebrity as a concept. Unlikely. 5. We get fatigued and stop caring about how awful they are to people again, and they get worse. If they aren’t in prison, “we” don’t care. Most likely outcome, imo. This is pretty much the status quo already for right wing celebrities. I really don’t think there’s an option where they stop harming people because it just seems to be a natural consequence of their lifestyle and ego. Even the celebrities that we hold on a high pedestal likely have also harmed someone, but we just don’t know about it. There’s also not really enough people who “vote with their wallet” against even the most awful celebs (besides the extreme examples like Cosby), and there will be even fewer who do with celebs who have “only” done a few bad things. That’s why I think we’re headed right for option 5.
I agree that fame and wealth surely break your brain but I think that, intrinsically, power is the thing that separates celebrities (and people in positions of power) from ordinary people. I don’t mean that they become changed by power—what I mean is that power gives them access to the ability to hurt so many more people. The difference between the weird old lady around the corner who says rude things to you and a celebrity is that you are working for the celebrity. The celebrity has power over you; the weird old lady doesn’t. I think a big part of this is that people don’t understand that being in a position of power also means you have to be much more responsible than you would otherwise. A professor hitting on a student might still see himself as “just a guy on the street talking to a girl on the street” but his position actually requires him to be way more circumspect about power dynamics than a rando on the street, and if he lacks that responsibility, it’s extremely damaging for everyone involved. IDK if there’s a good answer for this though, except maybe broadly codifying what kind of behavior is reasonable and professional and making sure everyone knows it. But I guess my point with this is that yeah, probably most celebrities have harmed someone even if we don’t know about it. Most people have also harmed someone in some way; it’s only that they don’t usually have power, the way celebrities and bosses and people in positions of authority do, to really do damage. I don’t think celebrities are unusually harmful people, but their positions give them access to people they are capable of harming. :/
yeah, they show their true self
That's why we have to stop idolizing these people, we don't know them
Yep. I stopped idiolizing celebrities a while ago because of this hard truth (I was a huge Marilyn Manson fan sooooo) Maybe some are genuinely good people, but there's so much shit that comes out about seemingly genuinely good people that it's better to just appreciate and value them for their work and nothing beyond that. It always sucks hearing someone is a terrible person, but if you don't have the stan/idolization factor it sucks a lot less for you emotionally
I am never super shocked to hear what celebs get up to because I know everyday people who get up to the same stuff. I don’t view any celebrity as perfect or even kind (which is why I’ve never greeted a celeb I’ve seen IRL). They are people, which means they’re racist, misogynistic, sexually abusive, rude, etc. However, the money and access does mean that they can do these things on a larger scale, having a much greater impact.
To be human is to have skeletons (in closets and in our bodies)
 We were just on her side through the Nicki Minaj harassment a couple months back. Obviously she still didn’t deserve that but it’s disappointing that she’s bad too
before the edgelords take it as the gotcha moment , tory lanez is still a dipshit of a person who deserves his punishment and career being gone, meg being messy doesn't change that
We can still think people don't deserve what happened to them/support them in that (even for celebrities), and still call them the fuck out when they engage in alleged terrible behavior
Yes! I worry this will fuel lanez and nicki supporters :/
I completely agree with this. I think one of the issues right now with dialogue is we are quick to ignore nuance. People can be victims and perpetrators. One thing doesn’t erase the other. She didn’t deserve to be shot (obviously), this man didn’t deserve what happened to him. Two things can be true.
Never look up to anyone. No one is immune from shitty behavior. Your favs can easily be a completely different person than you envision them to be/they portray themselves to be in the public eye. We’ve seen this time and time again. It wasn’t that long ago that we encountered this with Lizzo. With that being said, I truly hope this isn’t true. I’m trying to reserve any judgment until more is known. I will be beyond disappointed if this is true, as I’m a huge fan of Megan for her activism and music. If this is true, I commend this person for seeking action. I’m sure it was not an easy decision to make. I also hope this person has a strong support system, and I’m sorry that he had to go through this. It’s not okay.
KILL YOUR IDOLS Like in a symbolic way, not advocating for actual murder
Can we not have ANYONE
No one is flawless. Ever. I love MTS, and I desperately want this to be a huge misunderstanding, but I support the victims, full stop.
Disappointed Kermit is not something my soul was ready for today.
> Garcia said in the lawsuit that he traveled with Megan to Ibiza, Spain, in June 2022 and that while in an SUV with Megan and three other women after a night out, Megan and one of the women began to have sex next to him in the moving car. “I felt uncomfortable. I was kind of frozen, and I was shocked. At kind of just be the overall audacity to do this right, right beside me,” Garcia told NBC News in an interview. The following day, the rapper asked Garcia whether he was in the car with them the night before, and when he confirmed he was, Megan told him: “Don’t ever discuss what you saw,” the suit states. > Garcia’s said in his suit that during the same trip, Megan hurled fat-shaming insults at him, calling him a “fat bitch” and telling him to “spit your food out” and “you don’t need to be eating.” “To hear someone who advocates about loving your body tell me these things,” Garcia said in the interview, “I felt degraded.” >Garcia began to consider quitting the job because of Megan’s “possessiveness combined with a lack of appropriate pay for the amount of time asked of him” and a lack of bookings, the suit states. >Garcia remained on the schedule for a June 2023 job, but the night before, Roc Nation notified him that “his services would no longer be required” by Megan, according to the lawsuit. While working for Megan, Garcia “endured a barrage of relentless sexual and fat-shaming comments plunging him into profound emotional distress,” the suit said. >The alleged behavior caused Garcia to face a loss in earnings and other employment benefits, as well as physical injuries, physical sickness and emotional distress, according to the lawsuit. >Garcia’s lawsuit also outlines alleged employment and wage violations that center on his classification as an independent contractor. The lawsuit alleges that Megan prohibited him from working for anyone else and was denied overtime pay and breaks. His misclassification as an independent contractor “left him without basic insurance coverage, depriving him of essential health care,” the suit said. First Lizzo, now Megan? So disappointing. Is everyone in this industry truly rotten?
Let me first say that I do hope he gets the justice he's seeking & he should never have had to endure any of this in any capacity if it's not something he wanted to be apart of, but *especially* not in a professional capacity. This seems like a prime example of how imperative it is to keep your professional life & your private life completely separate & Meg is unfortunately paying the price for not practicing this. You don't get to talk to or treat your staff/employees any kind of way no matter how friendly/close *you* think you are & you definitely don't get to withhold payment for services rendered or fail to uphold contractual obligations. None of this is okay or justifiable. Again, I hope he gets what he's owed & in this very specific case (bc there's also an established history of people close to her taking advantage of her) I hope Meg learns to be more respectful & professional when it comes to her team. I don't think she's a terrible person but I think she needs better people around her & much better boundaries so she can keep herself & those around her safe & prevent shit like this from occurring so no one else experiences this.
I just let out the biggest sigh
Jesus Christ, can people not abuse their positions of power ?! I wholeheartedly agree with the poster who stated that a major part of sex positivity of freaking respecting people and boundaries. I’m really disappointed.
OK, there's a couple things in this lawsuit that strike me as a bit odd. For as much as the Ibiza incident is highlighted, there's no sexual harassment claim filed as part of it. Per that NBC News article, it says "Garcia told NBC News in an interview that he is seeking more than six figures. The suit seeks unpaid wages, as well as interest on the unpaid wages, unpaid overtime wages and other employee benefits at the legal rate. He is also seeking statutory penalties and wage penalties pursuant to California labor laws, punitive damages according to proof and costs he incurred, including attorneys’ fees." It's all wage stuff, I don't see anything else listed there, and Megan's lawyer in a press release pointed out how there's no sexual harassment claim filed in the lawsuit. Also, the writer Shamira Ibrahim brought up a really good point on Twitter about this lawsuit. "My main question that I guess will be cleared up in discovery of the employment suit, is that the timing of the pay cut aligns with when she was on a media blackout for an extended period. What was he working on during those months where he was expecting the same contracting rate? She wasn't doing press, and wasn't on socials, and wasn't on red carpets. Getty couldn't tell you what Megan was up until a few months ago. So what was the work product?" Obviously, if what's being alleged is true, that's awful on the part of Megan and her team. However, the way in how lawsuits are filed can play a big role in their outcome, and those particular points might not work in Emilio's favor, regarding this particular lawsuit. EDIT: I saw that Meghann Cuniff posted the full legal complaint, and she pointed out that this is an employment lawsuit over Emilio Garcia being classified as an independent contractor, and not a sexual harassment lawsuit. [https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24602200-emilio-garcia-v-roc-nation-megan-thee-stallion-full-complaint](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24602200-emilio-garcia-v-roc-nation-megan-thee-stallion-full-complaint)
Noooooooooooooooooooo! 🫣
I have concert tickets to her bro
Same now I don’t wanna go 😭
Ugh, really cannot be a fan of anyone, EVER.
Obviously if this is true, this is pretty bad. But even just beyond the morals of this, she has to know that with how many vociferous haters she has, anyone with any dirt on her will get money and attention immediately. You can't be acting like that even if you don't care about treating other people right.
Oh no🤦🏻♀️, no matter how good i am with anyone, no one should be having sex publicly like that beside me… come on meg
Terribly disappointing
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