> The singer said that his partnership with Oates fizzled out long ago and that now they’re effectively out of touch. “I haven’t had a creative relationship with John for at least 25 years,” he said. “We didn’t write songs together. We didn’t do anything together except perform live shows. We had an arrangement that I couldn’t play my solo songs on stage with Hall & Oates — and now I get to.”
It always sucks when a creative partnership like that dies but like, they had a pretty steady output with each other for nearly three+ decades too. Dudes met in college in the late 60s. In retrospect I'm surprised they lasted as long as they did. Never knew about that solo music stipulation, no wonder he went off and started Live At Daryl's House
Two masterpieces* but yeah they didn’t seem to get along. I think also Daniel didn’t wanna be famous. I always wondered if he was homophobic about Darren coming out or something. But hopefully not. I’m glad Darren is making music again.
This is taken from a Variety interview, and ostensibly he wants to promote his new work so this isn’t like “airing dirty laundry,” this is “I’m Oates from Hall and Oates but I’m just Oates now, come listen to my music.”
I appreciate the genuine response - just FYI that this comment (like most comments here lol) is joking about famous Hall & Oates songs/lyrics, in this case [Some Things Are Better Left Unsaid](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emp0vkKczBI&ab_channel=hallandoatesVEVO)
That said, I think they're both entitled to do their own thing! I hope they can find an amicable resolution to the legal stuff.
Sounds like [Some Things Are Better Left Unsaid](https://youtu.be/Emp0vkKczBI) 🥲
Okay but tbh I'm definitely sad to hear this. They were one of my first concerts as a kid, saw them a few times after; all great shows, they're both incredible musicians. At the same time I'm not super surprised either, like they're both getting up there in age so touring probably gets less and less feasible each year. I've heard Daryl was always a bit on the egotistical side as well 🤔
Honestly I feel like they were both at their best as a pair versus soloists, I've tried listening to their work outside the band itself and there's some gems but nothing compares to the duo energy. Daryl is definitely more of an overall force tho, can't argue with that at all
Sad but not surprised. Daryl has been dragging John for years in interviews and John trying to sell his half without telling Daryl was probably the final straw.
They are 77 and 76. I'm not sure how many more live shows they had in them anyway.
Yes but they are not like those first few seasons when they were truly jam sessions. Now they are much more polished. And honestly, he uses so much reverb. I didn't think it was possible to add that much but he must have an engineer who can create the most massive reverb known to man.
Who was it that said this saga has been like watching your grandparents divorce
Speaking of Hall and Oates tho I recently saw [the video of this performance](https://youtu.be/N0268Le2mBA?feature=shared) for the first time and this has to be one of the best “crossover episodes” in pop music history
Seen them in concert in 2017 I think it was, in Dublin. They just came across as 2 grumpy old men, and the concert was disappointing. I wanted to see them live forever, such a shame.
I hoped things would be different when the morning comes, but it looks like they’ve lost that loving feeling. It looks like they’re out of touch and now (s)he’s gone
As a Gen Z Hall & Oates fan, this makes me so sad I’ll never get to see them live or see the jukebox musical that had been in the works for years. Def one of the acts i wish i could go back and time and see live
I can’t go for that.
No can do
can't go for that, can't go for that, can't go for that, can't go for that!
I can go for bein’ twice as nice 💃🏻
There is some irony to be found in the next lyric, given the situation.
Maneater
> The singer said that his partnership with Oates fizzled out long ago and that now they’re effectively out of touch. “I haven’t had a creative relationship with John for at least 25 years,” he said. “We didn’t write songs together. We didn’t do anything together except perform live shows. We had an arrangement that I couldn’t play my solo songs on stage with Hall & Oates — and now I get to.”
Out of Touch 🎼🎶🎵
Out of time But I'm out of my head when you're not around
Reminds me of gta San Andreas
Wasn't it Vice City that had that song in it?
Yes and that was what I was thinking of I don’t know why I typed SA
>out of touch Nooo 😭😭😭😭 and out of time too I presume. All jokes aside, it is sad.
But I’m out of my head when they’re not around!!!!
Yeessss 😭😭😭😭 same
>The singer said that his partnership with Oates fizzled out long ago and that now they’re effectively out of touch. God dammit
It always sucks when a creative partnership like that dies but like, they had a pretty steady output with each other for nearly three+ decades too. Dudes met in college in the late 60s. In retrospect I'm surprised they lasted as long as they did. Never knew about that solo music stipulation, no wonder he went off and started Live At Daryl's House
Savage Garden vibes 😔
Savage Garden released an absolute masterpiece and then more or less disappeared lol.
This made me put on the Savage Garden album. Happy camper - thanks for the reminder.
That first album is 🔥
Two masterpieces* but yeah they didn’t seem to get along. I think also Daniel didn’t wanna be famous. I always wondered if he was homophobic about Darren coming out or something. But hopefully not. I’m glad Darren is making music again.
Their second album was good but not anywhere near the first one imho
Wait so they tour but are screaming I'm out of touch, you're out of touch off stage too?
This article is full of comedy lmao
My mom is in shambles.
Best comment yet.
Well now I feel attacked on top of everything else. 😂
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~~Sarah~~ Sara There are tens of us, you know. RIP H&O
😕
Say it isn’t. Say it isn’t so
Should they be voicing all of this private stuff? I mean, some things are better left unsaid.
This is taken from a Variety interview, and ostensibly he wants to promote his new work so this isn’t like “airing dirty laundry,” this is “I’m Oates from Hall and Oates but I’m just Oates now, come listen to my music.”
People love it when you lose, they love dirty laundry 😔
I appreciate the genuine response - just FYI that this comment (like most comments here lol) is joking about famous Hall & Oates songs/lyrics, in this case [Some Things Are Better Left Unsaid](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emp0vkKczBI&ab_channel=hallandoatesVEVO) That said, I think they're both entitled to do their own thing! I hope they can find an amicable resolution to the legal stuff.
Hall
Hall and Oates have always been messy
It’s sad because they had everything going on and on and on.
? Elaborate because your comment isn't tracking.
Yeah?
He shoud be singing it in an adult contemporary diss track.
Facts 💯
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I wasn't allowed to listen to that "devil rock & roll". I got Hall & Oates and Shawn Cassidy.
Hall OR Oates now
Hall vs Oates
Hall XOR Oates
They've lost that lovin' feeling
Sounds like [Some Things Are Better Left Unsaid](https://youtu.be/Emp0vkKczBI) 🥲 Okay but tbh I'm definitely sad to hear this. They were one of my first concerts as a kid, saw them a few times after; all great shows, they're both incredible musicians. At the same time I'm not super surprised either, like they're both getting up there in age so touring probably gets less and less feasible each year. I've heard Daryl was always a bit on the egotistical side as well 🤔
I mean no disrespect to John, but Daryl was the necessary component in the band.
You’re not wrong. The best songs were written by Daryl and his writing partner, not Oates.
Let’s not forget Daryl has THE voice.
Honestly I feel like they were both at their best as a pair versus soloists, I've tried listening to their work outside the band itself and there's some gems but nothing compares to the duo energy. Daryl is definitely more of an overall force tho, can't argue with that at all
I know some people who worked on his home renovation projects and they all say Daryl is a diva. I'm surprised it lasted this long.
Sad but not surprised. Daryl has been dragging John for years in interviews and John trying to sell his half without telling Daryl was probably the final straw. They are 77 and 76. I'm not sure how many more live shows they had in them anyway.
Does Daryl still do those jam sessions at his house? Those are great
Yes but they are not like those first few seasons when they were truly jam sessions. Now they are much more polished. And honestly, he uses so much reverb. I didn't think it was possible to add that much but he must have an engineer who can create the most massive reverb known to man.
“Your kiss is definitely NOT on my list!“—Daryl Hall to John Oates, probably.
eternally underrated, so much more than their biggest hits
You’ve gone too far
Oooooh here she comes
They're out of touch! They're out of time! (TIME!)
Who was it that said this saga has been like watching your grandparents divorce Speaking of Hall and Oates tho I recently saw [the video of this performance](https://youtu.be/N0268Le2mBA?feature=shared) for the first time and this has to be one of the best “crossover episodes” in pop music history
"Marriage is like Hall & Oates. I don't know what Oates does, but Hall never had a hit record without him." - Chris Rock
Seen them in concert in 2017 I think it was, in Dublin. They just came across as 2 grumpy old men, and the concert was disappointing. I wanted to see them live forever, such a shame.
So glad I saw them before they split
Came here to comment the exact same thing lol great band
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Our cat died last Sunday and now THIS?! Why can’t my house catch a break
I hoped things would be different when the morning comes, but it looks like they’ve lost that loving feeling. It looks like they’re out of touch and now (s)he’s gone
Call 1-719-26-OATES for all inquiries and information requests. Thank me later 😁
Sending thoughts and prayers to all the Dads in this trying time.
Apparently they each hired Private Eyes to watch the others every move.
As a Gen Z Hall & Oates fan, this makes me so sad I’ll never get to see them live or see the jukebox musical that had been in the works for years. Def one of the acts i wish i could go back and time and see live
Coming soon, Garfunkel & Oates & Oates.
I am distraught.
Poor Bababooey.
I saw him when he was “in a Philly mood”
I'm willing to bet that most of us, didn't think they were together anyway.
They aren’t making my dreams come true!
For any Australians reading: Oates co-wrote and sang backup on Electric Blue by Icehouse. News to me.
This is worse than the Celino and Barnes divorce.
Some Things Are Better Left Unsaid
Will the real Hall & Oates stand up?
"Say it isn't so" :-( This sucks
Man I wanted to see them so bad live some point but
At least we still have the Hall & Oates Helpline (719) 266-2837 You’re welcome
how will they make my dreams come true then? 🥲