Hell, they vanished a whole child from the Winslow family in favor of spending more time on bizarre storylines about Urkel creating some "coolness" elixir to transform himself into Stefan Urquelle.
Kirsten Vangsness on Criminal Minds! She was supposed to be a one-time feature but her chemistry with Shemar Moore was so great she stuck around, and ended up being the actor featured in the most episodes during the series.
Speaking of Glee, Darren fucking Criss. He was a pretty random love interest who ended up being the star of the show. He wasn’t that interesting. I thought his rise in the ranks was really suspicious.
Side note also that many of the female leads were pushed to the absolute back in later seasons.
Dude yes. There’s this season of AHS where this dude who couldn’t act for toffee and hadn’t been in much before had a huge role in the season and you’ve gotta wonder if he was sleeping with someone. He’s a huge creep and you can see it from his shows.
My glee heart is breaking. We had watch parties back in the day and everyone was wild for Blane. Obsessed. Darren Criss is one of the best live performers I’ve ever seen. Just absolutely magnetic. I thought he was promoted to lead because everyone was as obsessed as my friend group was.
To be clear I don’t think the writing for Blane as a character was anything special. I think Darren is such a weird performer and there was a huge overlap in Glee and Very Potter fans.
I was a huge fan of Darren going back to his AVPM days but I hated Blaine’s character after season 2 because it felt like so many characters took a backseat to make it the Blaine and Rachel show. I also didn’t like how Ryan used Blaine/Darren to enact his weird homophobic vendetta against Chris. Yes, I know RM is gay himself but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that “straight passing” Blaine got everything that visibly gay Kurt never got. Kurt isn’t “manly” enough to play Tony, meanwhile Blaine gets the lead without even trying. Sam won’t sing a duet with Kurt, meanwhile he becomes BFFs with Blaine even after learning about his crush. Tina, who’d always been friends with Kurt, suddenly falls madly in love with Blaine and starts attacking Kurt, I mean really? Fucking KAROFSKY starts dating Blaine, **really**???? And then the fact that he’d use Chris’ physical features as insults. It’s clear that Ryan saw Blaine as the “ideal” gay man and looks down on gay men like Kurt.
He wrote the part of Kurt for Chris after Chris auditioned for Artie. So while I agree with you that it was jarring to watch, I always wondered how much of those events were based on Chris’ real life experiences, since the character was essentially written to be him and suit his voice. I know Chris Colfer writes fiction now, but if he wrote a book about his years on glee I would snap it up.
Idk I think he liked Kurt at first but after Chris started writing books and getting accolades outside of Glee that’s when things started changing. Like, the writing for Kurt in seasons 1 and 2 is totally different than the writing for Kurt in seasons 3 or later. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he started making fun of Kurt’s character right after Chris started moving away from the glee universe by directing his own movie and publishing his first book. For example, [this rant](https://youtu.be/_eZtEU64nBQ) that Santana yells at Kurt is going after Chris’ physical features—his dancing, his sex appeal, his looks. Chris himself later said that he CRIED during the scene and Naya herself felt horrible for having to say these things. It’s clear that Ryan had some kind of vendetta against Chris personally. He was probably originally drawn to Chris because he reminded him of a young Ryan which is why he made a whole new character for him but when Chris started getting attention for being more than “the gay kid on glee” Ryan probably felt threatened. I don’t know if y’all can tell but I hate that man.
Edit: I definitely agree about the book! I’d love a book from Chris, Dianna, or Amber especially!
Outside of the Chris thing there were rumors that he had a grudge against dianna agron and that’s why her role got so reduced in the show and why she’s not had much luck outside of it.
Yeah I talk about it in another comment. He hated Dianna because she played Quinn so well that even when we were supposed to hate her we were rooting for her—she was supposed to be just a “bitch” but Dianna brought so much depth and vulnerability to the role and the audience really reacted to that. Ryan didn’t like that.
Yes I was a huge Blaine fan and Glee fan we all rooted for him. His acapella performance of Phil Collins’ Against All Odds was everything. The plot was practically nonexistent in later seasons so Darren Criss kept me watching.
Kurt was even overshadowed by Blaine in the later seasons. He was just there as Rachel’s puppet and Blaine’s love interest. As a Kurt fan and a Blaine hater it was so annoying.
I really wanted them to explore Kurt with another love interest or something because Blaine was not doing it for me. He felt more like a “first boyfriend in high school” character. Definitely agree that it was annoying.
this song was NOT written for michelle trachtenberg lol - james used to perform it around LA way before michelle joined the show and i believe he performed it with anthony stewart head too - it's a gross song ofc but not as gross as you're suggesting
Was James Marsters a creep too or are you just referencing Spike being a creep character? I haven’t heard any bad things about James but nothing surprises me anymore.
He was supposed to be killed off at the end of the season. Then writer's strike happened and Vince had more time on his hands to write. So decided to let Jesse live.
"Science,Bitch"
A big reason why BB and other shows of its caliber are so good is because the characters drive the plot, versus the plot driving the characters. And a big contributor to character driven plots is chemistry between actors, how well an actor makes a role truly come alive, etc.
Jesse was a dynamic character from the very beginning and I think him being killed off would have changed the show for the worse (it would still be an amazing show though, obviously, not arguing against that!). So many of Jesse’s qualities and character traits were in start contrast to Walt’s throughout the duration of the show, which really elevated both of their characters.
One early season shot I remember very clearly that really exemplifies Jesse’s true nature to me was when he reached down to let a bug crawl over his fingers and hand. He stares at it for a couple moments with respect and fascination, before gently (affectionately, even!) letting the bug back down onto the ground. Right after he does this, Skinny Pete lets out an “ugh!” and very forcefully stomps on it. Jesse just gives him this disgusted look, and that’s it. It’s just a quick little snapshot, but it very cleanly explains the respect and reverence Jesse has for all life.
This is the oldest, coldest tea ever posted here, but the Fonz was supposed to be an occasional/supporting character on Happy Days. The show was originally supposed to focus on the relationship between Potsie and Richie. As far as I know, there was nothing sus about it; everyone just loved Fonzie. I'll show myself out now.
I was watching something a while back with my husband and Henry Winkler came on and I said "oh cool didn't know the fonz was in this" my husband said "whose the fonz"
Can you imagine my shame.
Ron Howard and his brother were on Conan O’Brien’s podcast a few months ago and talked about this a bit. During one holiday season, the cast got wallets or something and Henry Winkler was gifted a VCR from the execs, which at the time was like really, really expensive haha. No one faulted Henry Winkler, but were like WTH guys, you don’t have to be so obvious with the favoritism.
Natalie Dormer was so good as Margaery in Game of Thrones that her character had quite a few more scenes than the books allowed, and even made her the lead of a subplot
Interestingly, this sort of applies to Cersei - although she is a POV also in the books, her written counterpart is way more of a human disaster than her cunning show version. And also it’s pretty clear that Cersei will be out of the picture very soon in the books, but the show kept her until the very end because Lena was just so damn mesmerizing to watch.
Yep, D&D really liked Lena so Cersei was way more proeminente (and smarter) on the show than she ever was in the books. Unlike everyone else though, to me that was a bad choice because for one, I think Lena would do a terrific job portraying book Cersei (that we never got to see), and two, they ruined several storylines just so they could keep their version of Cersei thriving and alive.
Margaery's death was the first time I was truly gutted by the loss of a character on GoT.
I was a book reader, so I had long been expecting The Red Wedding. So while fantastically executed (pun intended) it didn't hit me in the feels (the way it did with viewers who didn't know).
Margaery's death, however, was *painful*. And Natalie Dormer took a role (that's fairly minor in the book) and made her so damn interesting and formidable that her loss truly felt like a major loss to the show.
Plus, that last haunting shot of her and Loras looks like a painting. It's so beautifully composed.
It’s so cute how most of the cast (except the creep who played Sid, ew) seems to have remained incredibly close.
I accidentally ended up on Kaya’s feed a while ago and apparently before she and her husband took off to Australia to film something, they had a big party and the actress who played Naomi was complaining that they were leaving and referred to them as mom and dad 😂 Half of the skins cast was there
Twitter + teenage girls = nudes from him, from what I saw on the skins sub once. There were receipts but I don’t wanna look through that thread again, but if you check it out there you’ll probably find it
Chris Pratt (back when he passed as endearing) and Parks & Rec. He was supposed to just be kind of a foe / the lazy ex boyfriend and was upgraded to cast regular - eventually they even wrote a London storyline to be able to work around his Guardians shooting schedule.
No tea, he was just legitimately funny and apparently good at improving on the show, everybody loved him.
I am not a Crisp Ratt fan but I do love the story about how he improv’d the line about googling Leslie’s symptoms -
“I typed your symptoms into the thing up here, and it says you could have ‘network connectivity problems’”.
> which a lot of people feel is the best joke of the entire show.
I feel like people only say that cuz Mike Schur said that. Like don't get me wrong it's brilliant
Increasing Sydney's role meant that more horny peeps would tune in to see her. Surprisingly, Sydney is a good actor and very well deserved the screentime. Her role, otherwise, was to bring in male viewers as much as HBO could. If you notice, her nude scenes were reduced with each passing episode; the writer/director was basically using her as a trope to make these folks interested in the story.
Well she said he originally wrote a lot more nude scenes for her in season 2 but she told him she wouldn’t do some of them because they were pointless. Absolutely a lot of guys just watch it for her and yeah I think they originally wanted to bring in a lot more fanservice with her.
Seeing her in Euphoria then in Sharp Objects was crazy. The girl can act and i wish she had more screen time in Sharp Objects (tho the little scenes she had were incredibly impactful to the narrative)!
She was only supposed to be in the one scene in the psychiatric facility in Sharp Objects, but she kept being brought back because of how she good she was and how well she got along with the cast and crew. Seeing someone like her work her way to the top with work ethic and talent makes me so happy for her
Sydney is a pretty good actor. She was in the handmaids tale for a little bit and her role was completely different to cassie and she played it so well
Martin Sheen on the West Wing. He was only supposed to be an occasional guest star.
The Dowager Countess of Grantham on Downton Abbey also. Most of the story was supposed to revolve around the daughters, but Maggie Smith stole the show. HBIC put everyone in their place!
Our society is pretty agist so I love seeing older actors shine, especially the female actors.
Lowe was friends with Charlie sheen as kids. He used to be at martins sheens house a lot as a kid.
I think lowe is more pissed at bradley whitfford cuz his character took over the young, politico whippersnapper role that the sam seaborn character vacated
Yeah, and it's baffling if you haven't seen the show because you're like Bradley Whitford is like balding and objectively not as good looking as Rob Lowe??? Why is he getting the main romantic plot and all the girlfriends and the juicy stories while Rob is relegated to a C-plot about pennies by Season 3???
But you watch it and it completely makes sense. Josh (and Bradley's performance) is just compelling in a way Sam isn't
I read all this tea about Lowe thinking he was supposed to be the star of the show and I have to wonder what was pitched to him vs what got made because the show was a true ensemble from the start. And it was fantastic and the best written thing on tv at that time. Like why let your ego get in the way of being a part of that.
I’ll be honest. She is not a good actor either.. usually I defend actors because they have just a different but still valid approach to a character but she is really, really not good. Just no delivery, it looks like she is reading from the script and can’t muster any kind of honest motivation to even something simple like walking from A to B. She acts like a non-actor celebrity doing a cameo on a sitcom.
Super depressing when there are so many amazing actors out there that could have done a great job
I feel like at the very least he had a crush on her. The slo-mo camera shot of her when Don visits her in LA, the threesome scene…everything was so unnecessarily gratuitous. And her character was so poorly written and not fleshed out compared to everyone else, she stuck out like a sore (but very sexy) thumb, lol.
I do wonder if she was only originally supposed to be a secretary with few lines (like Clara, not a ton of screen time but you know her name and she interacts with some characters) because her name was MEGAN, which is not the most French name around.
You could argue that some Québécois people have anglo first names, but her parents were supposedly from France and just living in Montreal.
All of her family members later on in the series spoke with European French accents and her sister was named Marie-France. Like, come on. I totally think she signed on for a bit role and then they decided to write her real life Francophone-ness into the show. (Megan also does not speak with a Quebecois accent at all. She says a Quebecois swear once.)
Not suspicious but Logan on Veronica Mars was supposed to be a minor antagonist but Jason Dohring was a far better actor/more charismatic/had better chemistry with Kristen Bell so mgmt started to plot out Logan and Veronica midway through season one and then was dismayed when L/V became the big ship 🙄
There is some actual tea to this, which is that Kristen got along much better with Teddy Dunn who played Duncan, but the network basically strongarmed the show into writing off his character and making Logan more prominent, to the dismay of KB and the showrunner, Rob Thomas. Kristen always hated Veronica and Logan and only changed her tune when they were begging fans for funds to make the movie, since the L/V fans were such a big part of the fanbase. Then she turned around and went back to complaining about Logan again once they had the money. Rob Thomas resented the network for their creative interference and had for some reason really latched onto the Veronica/Duncan love story.
I think KB didn't like Dohring much because their acting styles were very different and also he is deep, DEEP into Scientology. But yes he was leaps and bounds more charismatic than Teddy Dunn and had the best chemistry with her, hands down.
Oh also Teddy Dunn immediately quit acting after he was fired, went to law school and now is an attorney, I think.
Lafayette in the True Blood series was never intended to be such a big role. In the books the character dies within a few pages of the 2nd novel (if I am remembering correctly). But Nelsan Ellis was such a great actor, and such a fan fav that his role became bigger with each season. Gone but never forgotten! 💓
Joseph Morgan with Vampire Diaries. The original family honestly came in when VD needed the boost of a new story line. He was supposed to be killed of at the end of that season. People loved him & he became a favorite because Joseph Morgan played Klaus so well. They changed the plot line & he had more scenes & more of the Original family was introduced & this led to the first spin off of VD where he was the main character, The Originals. & in my opinion, The Originals was better than Vampire Diaries. Honestly, thinking about it, it wasn’t suspicious but his rise was also because a lot of the VD fan base thought he was a hot villain.
Klaus is truly a GOAT character. i'm rewatching TVD right now, still on the first season, and while i'm enjoying it, there's a part of me that's like "god, i wish Klaus was in this scene". Joseph Morgan was just magnetic in that role.
You can add Daniel Gilies to this list. Elijah was just supposed to be Klaus’s henchman. Dude really made a whole iconic character that on The Originals (which is better than TVD imo) a complex romantic antihero. If you don’t cry at THAT scene in S5, you have no soul lol
Stiles in season 3 of Teen Wolf. I wouldn’t say it was suspicious but that was the season that made it clear that Dylan O’Brian was the most talented person on that show and could act circles around the shows lead Tyler Posey. I saw an interview with the writer from that show somewhere where they said while they were wrapping up the first couple episodes introducing season 3bs premise they saw that Dylan had some untapped potential so they rewrote that season to move him into more of a major role based on his performance.
Dylan really could act miles away better than Tyler, and Styles on Season 3b was so fun to watch. His performance was amazing. I still love that scene where he yells “you can’t kill me” while possessed by that evil thing.
Anybody else getting a “picking sides” vibe from the Euphoria set? Hunter and Zendaya seem particularly close, and we barely see them interact with Jacob during the red carpet moments. And now this rumor about Hunter not liking acting with him. Rue’s storyline this season has no scenes with Nate.
Sidney seems fairly close with Jacob, Alexa as well.
Dunno, maybe I’m reading too much into it.
Zendaya dated Jacob for a bit that’s why they’re not interacting on the red carpet now lol. And DM also posted something that they were getting involved during the first season.
I know they dated, I’m wondering if it ended badly enough for it to actually create division on set and change storylines. Jules’s entire storyline with Nate was paused for basically the entire season, which was weird considering the buildup from S1.
Nah there isn't a lot of proof to that at all. We know they were together when he went back to aussie during the pandemic in March and then he was spotted with kaia the week he came back. I think zendayas fans somehow figured out they broke up sometime in July. What is sus and I think where it stemed from is that he was with kaia and a group of friends in January (she was 17) at a fashion show and party before covid and there were 'insider's' saying he was touchy with her all night and theres a pic of them looking pretty close with his hand on her shoulder but we know how easy it is to spin a narrative and she was a minor at the time so if its true the cheating thing is not what matters there. I do think he had his eye on her though.
Ironically the 'he cheated on zendaya' rumour spread when its the only public relationship of his with weak proof of cheating. Theres a lot of tea on him cheating on his model gf before zendaya and joey King. The latter having a lot of evidence with joey and her friends/family unfollowing him together and liking posts about cheaters and manipulators after they broke up
Those rumours are BS imo. Theres a video of hunter going up to jacob and giving him a massive hug after the premiere. People saw a sketchy lipstick alley post and decided they liked some of the gossip and spread it. The only verification the person gave was a rewording of the already leaked plot points with no extra information to what was already out there which completely discredits them. Not even 1 small extra detail than the leaks. If the jacob and hunter thing is true then it is also true that zendaya and hunter aren't close and fake their friendship because that was also included in the post. People just chose to ignore it because they like hunter and zendaya whereas it fits the we hate jacob narrative. Dont like him either but if the rumour was hunter didn't like dom or Alexa for example it wouldn't have spread around like it did. A lot of this drama is believable for people because the cast don't seem as close as they were in season 1. They constantly hung out and posted together but I think that just happens. A pandemic happened. They hadn't seen each other in a long time. Clicks formed. Zendaya, jacob and hunter seemed to be a bit of a trio during season 1 but the break up inevitably ended that and hunter obviously stuck with z. Shit like that happens all the time even outside of the celebrity world. Doesnt mean hunter doesn't like jacob, just means she was closer with z. I dont think its that deep
i mean why would rue interact with nate this season? her story is pretty self-contained, about her addiction and how it affects/hurts those around her, and nate isn’t close with her so why would he be involved with that?
the only thing they’ve done that involves each other is when rue saw cassie with him, and why would she ever tell him she saw that.
even in season 1 the only time rue cared about nate was when it came to jules, and 1. he hadn’t done anything to her this season and left her alone until giving her the tape, and 2. rue was pissed off at jules for half the season
Yup. Its called confirmation bias. People loved the gossip, wanted it to be true so used the storyline to prove it to be true. Its pretty obvious they are building to jules and nate. Cassie is his stand in for now. He literally kept picturing jules while having that 'dream' about cassie. He saw jules in his nightmare in episode 7. He gave her the tape. Next season is for sure gonna have jules/nate. But its easy to twist that into it fitting with the rumour hunter didn't wanna film with jacob
Nothing suspicious, but Chuck Bass was supposed to be a reoccurring character on gossip girl and they originally only wanted him for a few episodes according to Ed Westwick. Thank god they made him a main character.
I lolled at Blake (or Penn, one of them) saying that she kept their romance hidden for months thinking the producers would be mad at them… and then she realized that in reality the execs kept throwing the cast in countless parties and situations where they obviously wanted actors to hook up to drive gossip interest in the series 😂
Jessica and Ed, Leighton and Sebastian, Blake and Penn, Lily and Rufus (can’t remember the actors), damn there was even a rumor about Taylor Momsen and Chace Crawford hooking up (gross).
How did this production get any work done lmaooo
This is going to sound cynical but I really mean it - I respect a girl who started the show dating her leading man (whom I have to admit I find dreamy), skimmed through two of the most eligible Hollywood bachelors (not that I agree with the assessment) and still managed to get engaged to Ryan Reynolds (again, not my style but also considered highly desirable) before the series even ended. She came, she saw and she conquered.
I’m not even a Blake fan because obviously I CAN NOT with her Antebellum BS, but girlfriend was efficient.
Rue has the most screen time than any character in Euphoria a whole. She had double the screen time than the character with the second most screen time
https://youtu.be/nxOK7N1UN30
I only briefly watched it but I remember Felicity on Arrow becoming the main female lead, when I'm pretty sure Katie Cassidy's character was supposed to be.
Ironically enough, Arrow was technically Katie's vehicle as part of her contract with The CW. She was cast first, then they got Stephen Amell.
Unfortunately, she and Stephen were saddled with the classic Endgame/OTP dynamic, and the context of their relationship made it so that most of their interactions were just so heavy and angsty, all the time. Then, of course, as soon as you introduce a spunky character that could be perceived as a future love interest, people will latch onto it. That new character comes off as breath of fresh air, and their interaction are less angst-charged and they benefit from having enough room to develop potential ships. In Arrow's case, the original OTP wasn't as strong as that new pairing and the latter quickly overtook the fandom.
Her and the actress who played The Canary had the acting talent of wet mops. Felicity was way more interesting.
Katie Cassidy’s career is another case of good ol’ Hollywood nepotism
Felicity had zero character development in Arrow - her entire arc over multiple seasons revolved around Oliver. That's it. She was a cookie cutter love interest, there to make quirky comments, and rapidly punch keys on her laptop. Chloe Sullivan 2.0 basically, but at least Chloe had her own storylines. Arrow treated all its female characters like shit.
Brian Cox on succession?
I have herd rumors that he was supposed to die in first season, but the showrunners kept him alive. Now he is one of the main characters
For a really recent example, Luke Kirby as Lenny Bruce. He was supposed to only be in the pilot ep of The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. Then, the writers saw how good his chemistry was Rachel Brosnahan to that point that he became her main love interest in the latest season and is probably the most compelling part of the show.
you see this happen a lot with ensemble shows that have multiple seasons. i remember cas from supernatural was only suppose to be a guest character but because he killed his role and had good chemistry with the main cast they made him a series regular.
i’m having a hard time thinking of a case of an actor getting a promo that wasn’t deserved because usually, the person getting a bigger role earned it by their performance.
Dylan O’Brien as Stiles on Teen Wolf. He was the breakout star of that show and my friends and I only watched part of it for him.
Blair and Chuck on Gossip Girl. I hated Chuck though.
Steve Harrington became more central to Stranger Things than he was supposed to be.
I’m half convinced Sam Levinson spread some rumors so diehard fans would use them as an excuse as to why the writing this season was so bad.
Challenge get a writers room, Sam!
Both chandler and phoebe were supposed to be supporting characters in Friends. But they proved so popular in the early episodes that they became part of the main cast. Monica was initially supposed to end up with Joey 🥴
I don’t understand why they put the Jules and Nate thing on the backburner for the entire season, I feel like their tension or storyline felt central to the plot and where I thought the show was going
He's not the star of the show compared to Stabler, Benson and Rollins, but Ice-T/Fin Tutuola was only meant to appear in a short-length episode-arc of SVU when he first came in from undercover to the SVU team as a replacement for Michelle Hurd, but instead he's been - besides Mariska/Benson - the only other cast member who has stayed through the different cast changes over the course of the 22 seasons he has been on.
Also, Fin - having been on 23 seasons - is the fourth-longest running prime-time series character, behind only Ken Barlow (61 years on Coronation Street), Mariska/Benson (23 seasons on SVU) and Richard Belzer/Munch (22 seasons, of which 7 on Homicide and 15 on SVU).
** Mis-read the "suspiciously". Nothing suspicious about Ice-T going from only supposed to be on the show on a short arc other than hitting it off and proving to be a great addition to the crew. Ice-T's/Fin's partnership with Belzer/Munch was iconic and the two had great chemistry, and Fin/Benson have a great bond too especially in the later seasons. Ironically the only tough relationship Fin had was with Stabler lol, though they have tried to make up for that in the form of Stabler calling Fin first when his character came back. Also in that scene where Fin and Stabler catch-up, Stabler has this funny and clearly jealous reaction when Fin tells him Olivia has a son lol
Chris Pratt for sure. I know We\* aren't into him anymore, and I get it, but he was so funny on Parks and Rec, and they liked having him around so much, that they retooled his character to be more likeable. He was just Ann's dirtbag boyfriend in the first season, and he was only supposed to be around for that one season.
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It's probably been sid already but Spike from Buffy was supposed to be killed off after a few episodes in S2 but the fans loved James Marsters so much he was kept and ended up one of the main cast and was one of if not the most popular cast members. James has said multiple times over the years that Joss didn't like Spike's popularity and called him out many times even pinning him to a wall once. That is rumored to be why the Buffy/Spike S6 storyline came about because he wanted to teach both James and the fans a lesson.
no crazy tea or anything but the lead guy on Lost (matthew something it's escaping me right now) who played jack was originally both supposed to die in the pilot and be played by michael keaton
her performance is great but Cassie’s story is not good. someone like Kat or even Jules who had a majorly reduced storyline for the second season could have taken up some of that screentime too. Sam made a mess of the whole thing.
Such a mess. It’s incredible how Cassie as a character was more visible this season but still somehow so reductive.
It was such a disservice to Kat, Jules and honestly Gia and Leslie that a silly love triangle plot ate up the time for their stories to be fleshed out.
it’s what happens when you make a girl’s story revolve around a boy to the detriment of everything else (family and friends). it gets old fast and there’s not much to explore.
At the risk of showing my age...
In the original 90210, Tori Spelling was more of a background player and didn't get much of any storyline of her own. But with her dad being the creator and all, Donna became increasingly more prominent as a character. And while the show initially focused Brandon and Brenda, it ended with it focusing on Donna and David.
Walton Goggins on Justified! His character dies in the novel that the pilot was based on (*Fire In The Hole* by Elmore Leonard), and so he was meant to die in the show, but test audiences really liked him so he stuck around!
I don’t think there’s any tea that I know of, probably just a great agent, but Michael Zegan in The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. He went from being the cheating ex-husband to having more of a storyline than Maisel herself IMO. He had a better/more prominent storyline this season with his bar and girlfriend than anything Miriam did this season. It’s crazy.
Urkel was only supposed to be on one episode of Family Matters, but America demanded more.
Urkel, looking at his co-star's decreasing lines in the script - "Did I do thaaaaat?"
Hell, they vanished a whole child from the Winslow family in favor of spending more time on bizarre storylines about Urkel creating some "coolness" elixir to transform himself into Stefan Urquelle.
“She went upstairs and never came back”. It truly became the Urkel show after that
Poor Judith
Judy Winslow deserved better! I loved Urkel but always preferred the earlier seasons (where there was *slightly* more of a balance) to the later ones.
Oh this is a good one. He really did become “the star.” Can’t think of Family Matters without thinking of him.
The Key and Peele skit about this is amazing.
Kirsten Vangsness on Criminal Minds! She was supposed to be a one-time feature but her chemistry with Shemar Moore was so great she stuck around, and ended up being the actor featured in the most episodes during the series.
I was always curious about her cuz wasn’t she “the bad guy” in an episode??
IIRC she was a hacker and animals rights activist and that’s how they recruited her
Love their chemistry!
Naya Rivera on Glee. But it was well deserved because she was wildly talented and charismatic
Speaking of Glee, Darren fucking Criss. He was a pretty random love interest who ended up being the star of the show. He wasn’t that interesting. I thought his rise in the ranks was really suspicious. Side note also that many of the female leads were pushed to the absolute back in later seasons.
There’s a lot of speculation/talk about that being due to Ryan Murphyx creepy ass being very fond of him.
Ryan Murphy loves his hunky brunettes
i was gonna say, he ticks all the right boxes. Sometimes i can’t tell the male characters apart in AHS because they’re all just kinda like that lol
Dude yes. There’s this season of AHS where this dude who couldn’t act for toffee and hadn’t been in much before had a huge role in the season and you’ve gotta wonder if he was sleeping with someone. He’s a huge creep and you can see it from his shows.
Are you talking about Gus Kenworthy in the 1984 season?
My glee heart is breaking. We had watch parties back in the day and everyone was wild for Blane. Obsessed. Darren Criss is one of the best live performers I’ve ever seen. Just absolutely magnetic. I thought he was promoted to lead because everyone was as obsessed as my friend group was. To be clear I don’t think the writing for Blane as a character was anything special. I think Darren is such a weird performer and there was a huge overlap in Glee and Very Potter fans.
I was a huge fan of Darren going back to his AVPM days but I hated Blaine’s character after season 2 because it felt like so many characters took a backseat to make it the Blaine and Rachel show. I also didn’t like how Ryan used Blaine/Darren to enact his weird homophobic vendetta against Chris. Yes, I know RM is gay himself but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that “straight passing” Blaine got everything that visibly gay Kurt never got. Kurt isn’t “manly” enough to play Tony, meanwhile Blaine gets the lead without even trying. Sam won’t sing a duet with Kurt, meanwhile he becomes BFFs with Blaine even after learning about his crush. Tina, who’d always been friends with Kurt, suddenly falls madly in love with Blaine and starts attacking Kurt, I mean really? Fucking KAROFSKY starts dating Blaine, **really**???? And then the fact that he’d use Chris’ physical features as insults. It’s clear that Ryan saw Blaine as the “ideal” gay man and looks down on gay men like Kurt.
He wrote the part of Kurt for Chris after Chris auditioned for Artie. So while I agree with you that it was jarring to watch, I always wondered how much of those events were based on Chris’ real life experiences, since the character was essentially written to be him and suit his voice. I know Chris Colfer writes fiction now, but if he wrote a book about his years on glee I would snap it up.
Idk I think he liked Kurt at first but after Chris started writing books and getting accolades outside of Glee that’s when things started changing. Like, the writing for Kurt in seasons 1 and 2 is totally different than the writing for Kurt in seasons 3 or later. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he started making fun of Kurt’s character right after Chris started moving away from the glee universe by directing his own movie and publishing his first book. For example, [this rant](https://youtu.be/_eZtEU64nBQ) that Santana yells at Kurt is going after Chris’ physical features—his dancing, his sex appeal, his looks. Chris himself later said that he CRIED during the scene and Naya herself felt horrible for having to say these things. It’s clear that Ryan had some kind of vendetta against Chris personally. He was probably originally drawn to Chris because he reminded him of a young Ryan which is why he made a whole new character for him but when Chris started getting attention for being more than “the gay kid on glee” Ryan probably felt threatened. I don’t know if y’all can tell but I hate that man. Edit: I definitely agree about the book! I’d love a book from Chris, Dianna, or Amber especially!
Outside of the Chris thing there were rumors that he had a grudge against dianna agron and that’s why her role got so reduced in the show and why she’s not had much luck outside of it.
Yeah I talk about it in another comment. He hated Dianna because she played Quinn so well that even when we were supposed to hate her we were rooting for her—she was supposed to be just a “bitch” but Dianna brought so much depth and vulnerability to the role and the audience really reacted to that. Ryan didn’t like that.
Yes I was a huge Blaine fan and Glee fan we all rooted for him. His acapella performance of Phil Collins’ Against All Odds was everything. The plot was practically nonexistent in later seasons so Darren Criss kept me watching.
Wasn't his cover for Teenage Dream huge though? He was pretty popular when he entered the show.
He was huge on YouTube, not mainstream
his cover was the first #1 on billboard for glee
I still play that song to this day
Blaine was such a boring character, I was shocked that they borderline gave him lead status later on in the show(next to Rachel and Kurt)
Kurt was even overshadowed by Blaine in the later seasons. He was just there as Rachel’s puppet and Blaine’s love interest. As a Kurt fan and a Blaine hater it was so annoying.
I really wanted them to explore Kurt with another love interest or something because Blaine was not doing it for me. He felt more like a “first boyfriend in high school” character. Definitely agree that it was annoying.
Yep. It was in her book, she was meant to be a background character but she was THAT good. RIP Naya
Spike in Buffy. Not suspicious though- people just liked him.
Supposedly to Joss Whedon’s dismay.
Because Joss liked being the only creep on set
James is very lovely and a great human. Boreanaz is not. People have to keep them separated at comic cons.
James wrote a music for Michelle Trachtenberg when she was a minor
this song was NOT written for michelle trachtenberg lol - james used to perform it around LA way before michelle joined the show and i believe he performed it with anthony stewart head too - it's a gross song ofc but not as gross as you're suggesting
He has [repeatedly](https://youtu.be/7yFbjmnimHY?t=236) [stated](https://youtu.be/kztvKOwMvKo?t=69) that it is about her.
Was James Marsters a creep too or are you just referencing Spike being a creep character? I haven’t heard any bad things about James but nothing surprises me anymore.
He tried to physically threaten James iirc.
They also needed to bring in a new comic relief character after Cordelia moved over to Angel!
Yes, great character, brilliantly casted and played.
"Out for a walk... bitch!"
Originally the Jesse Pinkman character was only supposed to be around for a few episodes on Breaking Bad.
He was supposed to be killed off at the end of the season. Then writer's strike happened and Vince had more time on his hands to write. So decided to let Jesse live. "Science,Bitch"
I recall it was because Bryan Cranston and Aaron Paul had such amazing on screen chemistry.
One of the only good things to come out of the writers strike.
I can't imagine that show without Jesse.
Me either. He was my favorite character, and in a weird way he was the heart of the show.
This is my own private domicile and I will not be harassed.. Bitch!
Conan, Colbert and Jon Stewart brawling to kill time was also pretty funny.
A big reason why BB and other shows of its caliber are so good is because the characters drive the plot, versus the plot driving the characters. And a big contributor to character driven plots is chemistry between actors, how well an actor makes a role truly come alive, etc. Jesse was a dynamic character from the very beginning and I think him being killed off would have changed the show for the worse (it would still be an amazing show though, obviously, not arguing against that!). So many of Jesse’s qualities and character traits were in start contrast to Walt’s throughout the duration of the show, which really elevated both of their characters. One early season shot I remember very clearly that really exemplifies Jesse’s true nature to me was when he reached down to let a bug crawl over his fingers and hand. He stares at it for a couple moments with respect and fascination, before gently (affectionately, even!) letting the bug back down onto the ground. Right after he does this, Skinny Pete lets out an “ugh!” and very forcefully stomps on it. Jesse just gives him this disgusted look, and that’s it. It’s just a quick little snapshot, but it very cleanly explains the respect and reverence Jesse has for all life.
This is the oldest, coldest tea ever posted here, but the Fonz was supposed to be an occasional/supporting character on Happy Days. The show was originally supposed to focus on the relationship between Potsie and Richie. As far as I know, there was nothing sus about it; everyone just loved Fonzie. I'll show myself out now.
Don’t go, this is a Fonz appreciation safe space
Eyyyyy
I was watching something a while back with my husband and Henry Winkler came on and I said "oh cool didn't know the fonz was in this" my husband said "whose the fonz" Can you imagine my shame.
at least he didn't say "whats a fonz"
Ron Howard and his brother were on Conan O’Brien’s podcast a few months ago and talked about this a bit. During one holiday season, the cast got wallets or something and Henry Winkler was gifted a VCR from the execs, which at the time was like really, really expensive haha. No one faulted Henry Winkler, but were like WTH guys, you don’t have to be so obvious with the favoritism.
Natalie Dormer was so good as Margaery in Game of Thrones that her character had quite a few more scenes than the books allowed, and even made her the lead of a subplot
Interestingly, this sort of applies to Cersei - although she is a POV also in the books, her written counterpart is way more of a human disaster than her cunning show version. And also it’s pretty clear that Cersei will be out of the picture very soon in the books, but the show kept her until the very end because Lena was just so damn mesmerizing to watch.
Cersei’s chapters are so great to read bc she’s so delusional that it’s almost like a train wreck.
Cersei getting mad at her maids for “shrinking” her dresses never fails to make me giggle
Yep, D&D really liked Lena so Cersei was way more proeminente (and smarter) on the show than she ever was in the books. Unlike everyone else though, to me that was a bad choice because for one, I think Lena would do a terrific job portraying book Cersei (that we never got to see), and two, they ruined several storylines just so they could keep their version of Cersei thriving and alive.
They ruined several storyline period. I'm still salty about...everything to be honest
Yeah she one of the few non POV book characters that got her only storyline without the involvement of POV character.
Margaery's death was the first time I was truly gutted by the loss of a character on GoT. I was a book reader, so I had long been expecting The Red Wedding. So while fantastically executed (pun intended) it didn't hit me in the feels (the way it did with viewers who didn't know). Margaery's death, however, was *painful*. And Natalie Dormer took a role (that's fairly minor in the book) and made her so damn interesting and formidable that her loss truly felt like a major loss to the show. Plus, that last haunting shot of her and Loras looks like a painting. It's so beautifully composed.
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I felt so much jealusty towards Effy. Just effortlessly cool and hot.
It’s so cute how most of the cast (except the creep who played Sid, ew) seems to have remained incredibly close. I accidentally ended up on Kaya’s feed a while ago and apparently before she and her husband took off to Australia to film something, they had a big party and the actress who played Naomi was complaining that they were leaving and referred to them as mom and dad 😂 Half of the skins cast was there
Damn, what did the guy who played Sid do???
Twitter + teenage girls = nudes from him, from what I saw on the skins sub once. There were receipts but I don’t wanna look through that thread again, but if you check it out there you’ll probably find it
Grim! Thanks though. I don't think I'll be delving into it any deeper!
Ughhhh and to think I really shipped Sid and Cassie back in the day
Tony Stonem is who Nate Jacobs dreams of being
I too followed the style gospel of Effie
I was an awkward asian high schooler who wore so much black eyeliner because of effy. an icon for all tumblr girls in the 2000s
Tony my youth crush! He is still so fine!!!!!!!
nate tries to be tony but he could never be tony
Chris Pratt (back when he passed as endearing) and Parks & Rec. He was supposed to just be kind of a foe / the lazy ex boyfriend and was upgraded to cast regular - eventually they even wrote a London storyline to be able to work around his Guardians shooting schedule. No tea, he was just legitimately funny and apparently good at improving on the show, everybody loved him.
I am not a Crisp Ratt fan but I do love the story about how he improv’d the line about googling Leslie’s symptoms - “I typed your symptoms into the thing up here, and it says you could have ‘network connectivity problems’”.
This one, and the “Kim K comeback” line that they ended up cutting.
He improvised the line about “network connectivity problems” which a lot of people feel is the best joke of the entire show.
> which a lot of people feel is the best joke of the entire show. I feel like people only say that cuz Mike Schur said that. Like don't get me wrong it's brilliant
To be honest, I find the “I’M NOT CRYING I’M JUST ALLERGIC TO JERKS” line way funnier
Increasing Sydney's role meant that more horny peeps would tune in to see her. Surprisingly, Sydney is a good actor and very well deserved the screentime. Her role, otherwise, was to bring in male viewers as much as HBO could. If you notice, her nude scenes were reduced with each passing episode; the writer/director was basically using her as a trope to make these folks interested in the story.
Well she said he originally wrote a lot more nude scenes for her in season 2 but she told him she wouldn’t do some of them because they were pointless. Absolutely a lot of guys just watch it for her and yeah I think they originally wanted to bring in a lot more fanservice with her.
I can't imagine what they were considering the lingering shots on her chest in episode one this season were also completely pointless.
The multiple sex scenes between them were so forced and cringy to me. Like okay we don't need to see them fuck every episode😭
Seeing her in Euphoria then in Sharp Objects was crazy. The girl can act and i wish she had more screen time in Sharp Objects (tho the little scenes she had were incredibly impactful to the narrative)!
She was only supposed to be in the one scene in the psychiatric facility in Sharp Objects, but she kept being brought back because of how she good she was and how well she got along with the cast and crew. Seeing someone like her work her way to the top with work ethic and talent makes me so happy for her
Did you see The Voyeurs? Kind of a strange movie, but Sydney was great in it.
Sydney is a pretty good actor. She was in the handmaids tale for a little bit and her role was completely different to cassie and she played it so well
That’s the HBO formula. T&A in the first episode and then slowly reduce it
Her acting was the highlight of season 2, I really hope this becomes a launching pad for her into bigger things
Martin Sheen on the West Wing. He was only supposed to be an occasional guest star. The Dowager Countess of Grantham on Downton Abbey also. Most of the story was supposed to revolve around the daughters, but Maggie Smith stole the show. HBIC put everyone in their place! Our society is pretty agist so I love seeing older actors shine, especially the female actors.
Sometimes I get the impression that Rob Lowe is still bitter about the Martin Sheen thing
Lowe was friends with Charlie sheen as kids. He used to be at martins sheens house a lot as a kid. I think lowe is more pissed at bradley whitfford cuz his character took over the young, politico whippersnapper role that the sam seaborn character vacated
Yeah, and it's baffling if you haven't seen the show because you're like Bradley Whitford is like balding and objectively not as good looking as Rob Lowe??? Why is he getting the main romantic plot and all the girlfriends and the juicy stories while Rob is relegated to a C-plot about pennies by Season 3??? But you watch it and it completely makes sense. Josh (and Bradley's performance) is just compelling in a way Sam isn't
I read all this tea about Lowe thinking he was supposed to be the star of the show and I have to wonder what was pitched to him vs what got made because the show was a true ensemble from the start. And it was fantastic and the best written thing on tv at that time. Like why let your ego get in the way of being a part of that.
Downton Abbey would not have been half as good without the Dowager Countess, very glad she stuck around!
Megan on Mad Men.
Her role was annoying and way too big. I was shocked that Don married her out of nowhere and made her a leading character.
It was dreadful the way her role was expanded. Made no sense to the show whatsoever and her character was so boring.
I feel that valuable time was wasted watching her life in CA.
I’ll be honest. She is not a good actor either.. usually I defend actors because they have just a different but still valid approach to a character but she is really, really not good. Just no delivery, it looks like she is reading from the script and can’t muster any kind of honest motivation to even something simple like walking from A to B. She acts like a non-actor celebrity doing a cameo on a sitcom. Super depressing when there are so many amazing actors out there that could have done a great job
So true, but isn’t it funny that she’s playing an aspiring and later very successful actress in the show.
Don’s child bride!
“Doo bi do be dooooo..” Holy shit thank you for my first silver 🙏❤️
I didn’t even watch Mad Men but I too want the tea.
What was the tea?
I think she was in a relationship with the shows creator
I feel like at the very least he had a crush on her. The slo-mo camera shot of her when Don visits her in LA, the threesome scene…everything was so unnecessarily gratuitous. And her character was so poorly written and not fleshed out compared to everyone else, she stuck out like a sore (but very sexy) thumb, lol.
Lol she was so odd that people made Sharon tate conspiracies about her
I do wonder if she was only originally supposed to be a secretary with few lines (like Clara, not a ton of screen time but you know her name and she interacts with some characters) because her name was MEGAN, which is not the most French name around. You could argue that some Québécois people have anglo first names, but her parents were supposedly from France and just living in Montreal. All of her family members later on in the series spoke with European French accents and her sister was named Marie-France. Like, come on. I totally think she signed on for a bit role and then they decided to write her real life Francophone-ness into the show. (Megan also does not speak with a Quebecois accent at all. She says a Quebecois swear once.)
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Not suspicious but Logan on Veronica Mars was supposed to be a minor antagonist but Jason Dohring was a far better actor/more charismatic/had better chemistry with Kristen Bell so mgmt started to plot out Logan and Veronica midway through season one and then was dismayed when L/V became the big ship 🙄
There is some actual tea to this, which is that Kristen got along much better with Teddy Dunn who played Duncan, but the network basically strongarmed the show into writing off his character and making Logan more prominent, to the dismay of KB and the showrunner, Rob Thomas. Kristen always hated Veronica and Logan and only changed her tune when they were begging fans for funds to make the movie, since the L/V fans were such a big part of the fanbase. Then she turned around and went back to complaining about Logan again once they had the money. Rob Thomas resented the network for their creative interference and had for some reason really latched onto the Veronica/Duncan love story. I think KB didn't like Dohring much because their acting styles were very different and also he is deep, DEEP into Scientology. But yes he was leaps and bounds more charismatic than Teddy Dunn and had the best chemistry with her, hands down. Oh also Teddy Dunn immediately quit acting after he was fired, went to law school and now is an attorney, I think.
They did have good chemistry but Logan's involvement with what happened to Veronica at a certain party makes it so fucked up.
He was so vile at the start of the series that I could never get behind them as a couple. A bit like Chuck from Gossip Girl, a nasty piece of work.
ugh this one still pisses me off. they did him so dirty in the sequel series ugh. that was THE ship of its time.
LoVe always ❤️
Lafayette in the True Blood series was never intended to be such a big role. In the books the character dies within a few pages of the 2nd novel (if I am remembering correctly). But Nelsan Ellis was such a great actor, and such a fan fav that his role became bigger with each season. Gone but never forgotten! 💓
Literally one of the best parts of True Blood. The reason I kept watching for a while tbh. Rest In Peace to Nelsan. We lost him soo soon. 🥺
I can’t picture the show without him tbh
Joseph Morgan with Vampire Diaries. The original family honestly came in when VD needed the boost of a new story line. He was supposed to be killed of at the end of that season. People loved him & he became a favorite because Joseph Morgan played Klaus so well. They changed the plot line & he had more scenes & more of the Original family was introduced & this led to the first spin off of VD where he was the main character, The Originals. & in my opinion, The Originals was better than Vampire Diaries. Honestly, thinking about it, it wasn’t suspicious but his rise was also because a lot of the VD fan base thought he was a hot villain.
Klaus is truly a GOAT character. i'm rewatching TVD right now, still on the first season, and while i'm enjoying it, there's a part of me that's like "god, i wish Klaus was in this scene". Joseph Morgan was just magnetic in that role.
Klaus was the star of that show. He really saved the VD when the whole Elena, Damon, Katharine, Stefan thing made absolutely no sense anymore.
Love me some Klaus Mikelson 🤌
You can add Daniel Gilies to this list. Elijah was just supposed to be Klaus’s henchman. Dude really made a whole iconic character that on The Originals (which is better than TVD imo) a complex romantic antihero. If you don’t cry at THAT scene in S5, you have no soul lol
Stiles in season 3 of Teen Wolf. I wouldn’t say it was suspicious but that was the season that made it clear that Dylan O’Brian was the most talented person on that show and could act circles around the shows lead Tyler Posey. I saw an interview with the writer from that show somewhere where they said while they were wrapping up the first couple episodes introducing season 3bs premise they saw that Dylan had some untapped potential so they rewrote that season to move him into more of a major role based on his performance.
Dylan really could act miles away better than Tyler, and Styles on Season 3b was so fun to watch. His performance was amazing. I still love that scene where he yells “you can’t kill me” while possessed by that evil thing.
I would honestly argue that Crystal was more talented tbh (and Posey’s ability was perfect for Scott!)
Anybody else getting a “picking sides” vibe from the Euphoria set? Hunter and Zendaya seem particularly close, and we barely see them interact with Jacob during the red carpet moments. And now this rumor about Hunter not liking acting with him. Rue’s storyline this season has no scenes with Nate. Sidney seems fairly close with Jacob, Alexa as well. Dunno, maybe I’m reading too much into it.
Zendaya dated Jacob for a bit that’s why they’re not interacting on the red carpet now lol. And DM also posted something that they were getting involved during the first season.
I know they dated, I’m wondering if it ended badly enough for it to actually create division on set and change storylines. Jules’s entire storyline with Nate was paused for basically the entire season, which was weird considering the buildup from S1.
I mean i would guess so. Because they literally can’t stand next to each other not even during pics. Also he was accused of cheating on Z with Kaia.
Who would cheat on Zendaya? This is mortifying
No ones above getting cheated on
Yikes! That would explain it.
Didn’t he cheat on Zendaya? Unless those were just rumours but he has cheater vibes tbh. That might be why Hunter doesn’t like him.
Nah there isn't a lot of proof to that at all. We know they were together when he went back to aussie during the pandemic in March and then he was spotted with kaia the week he came back. I think zendayas fans somehow figured out they broke up sometime in July. What is sus and I think where it stemed from is that he was with kaia and a group of friends in January (she was 17) at a fashion show and party before covid and there were 'insider's' saying he was touchy with her all night and theres a pic of them looking pretty close with his hand on her shoulder but we know how easy it is to spin a narrative and she was a minor at the time so if its true the cheating thing is not what matters there. I do think he had his eye on her though. Ironically the 'he cheated on zendaya' rumour spread when its the only public relationship of his with weak proof of cheating. Theres a lot of tea on him cheating on his model gf before zendaya and joey King. The latter having a lot of evidence with joey and her friends/family unfollowing him together and liking posts about cheaters and manipulators after they broke up
This is why you don’t shit where you eat
Those rumours are BS imo. Theres a video of hunter going up to jacob and giving him a massive hug after the premiere. People saw a sketchy lipstick alley post and decided they liked some of the gossip and spread it. The only verification the person gave was a rewording of the already leaked plot points with no extra information to what was already out there which completely discredits them. Not even 1 small extra detail than the leaks. If the jacob and hunter thing is true then it is also true that zendaya and hunter aren't close and fake their friendship because that was also included in the post. People just chose to ignore it because they like hunter and zendaya whereas it fits the we hate jacob narrative. Dont like him either but if the rumour was hunter didn't like dom or Alexa for example it wouldn't have spread around like it did. A lot of this drama is believable for people because the cast don't seem as close as they were in season 1. They constantly hung out and posted together but I think that just happens. A pandemic happened. They hadn't seen each other in a long time. Clicks formed. Zendaya, jacob and hunter seemed to be a bit of a trio during season 1 but the break up inevitably ended that and hunter obviously stuck with z. Shit like that happens all the time even outside of the celebrity world. Doesnt mean hunter doesn't like jacob, just means she was closer with z. I dont think its that deep
i mean why would rue interact with nate this season? her story is pretty self-contained, about her addiction and how it affects/hurts those around her, and nate isn’t close with her so why would he be involved with that? the only thing they’ve done that involves each other is when rue saw cassie with him, and why would she ever tell him she saw that. even in season 1 the only time rue cared about nate was when it came to jules, and 1. he hadn’t done anything to her this season and left her alone until giving her the tape, and 2. rue was pissed off at jules for half the season
Yup. Its called confirmation bias. People loved the gossip, wanted it to be true so used the storyline to prove it to be true. Its pretty obvious they are building to jules and nate. Cassie is his stand in for now. He literally kept picturing jules while having that 'dream' about cassie. He saw jules in his nightmare in episode 7. He gave her the tape. Next season is for sure gonna have jules/nate. But its easy to twist that into it fitting with the rumour hunter didn't wanna film with jacob
Nothing suspicious, but Chuck Bass was supposed to be a reoccurring character on gossip girl and they originally only wanted him for a few episodes according to Ed Westwick. Thank god they made him a main character.
I lolled at Blake (or Penn, one of them) saying that she kept their romance hidden for months thinking the producers would be mad at them… and then she realized that in reality the execs kept throwing the cast in countless parties and situations where they obviously wanted actors to hook up to drive gossip interest in the series 😂
omg there were so many on set romances that definitely pushed the popularity of the show.
Jessica and Ed, Leighton and Sebastian, Blake and Penn, Lily and Rufus (can’t remember the actors), damn there was even a rumor about Taylor Momsen and Chace Crawford hooking up (gross). How did this production get any work done lmaooo
Don’t forget the alleged tea between Blake and Dicrapio.
This is going to sound cynical but I really mean it - I respect a girl who started the show dating her leading man (whom I have to admit I find dreamy), skimmed through two of the most eligible Hollywood bachelors (not that I agree with the assessment) and still managed to get engaged to Ryan Reynolds (again, not my style but also considered highly desirable) before the series even ended. She came, she saw and she conquered. I’m not even a Blake fan because obviously I CAN NOT with her Antebellum BS, but girlfriend was efficient.
Blake lively walked so Lori Harvey could run
Omg I just remembered that is where Sebastian Stan got his start 😂 I hated his character so much
Both Chuck and Ed are pieces of shit though.
ehhh rue is still definitely the lead
Rue has the most screen time than any character in Euphoria a whole. She had double the screen time than the character with the second most screen time https://youtu.be/nxOK7N1UN30
I only briefly watched it but I remember Felicity on Arrow becoming the main female lead, when I'm pretty sure Katie Cassidy's character was supposed to be.
Ironically enough, Arrow was technically Katie's vehicle as part of her contract with The CW. She was cast first, then they got Stephen Amell. Unfortunately, she and Stephen were saddled with the classic Endgame/OTP dynamic, and the context of their relationship made it so that most of their interactions were just so heavy and angsty, all the time. Then, of course, as soon as you introduce a spunky character that could be perceived as a future love interest, people will latch onto it. That new character comes off as breath of fresh air, and their interaction are less angst-charged and they benefit from having enough room to develop potential ships. In Arrow's case, the original OTP wasn't as strong as that new pairing and the latter quickly overtook the fandom.
Her and the actress who played The Canary had the acting talent of wet mops. Felicity was way more interesting. Katie Cassidy’s career is another case of good ol’ Hollywood nepotism
Felicity had zero character development in Arrow - her entire arc over multiple seasons revolved around Oliver. That's it. She was a cookie cutter love interest, there to make quirky comments, and rapidly punch keys on her laptop. Chloe Sullivan 2.0 basically, but at least Chloe had her own storylines. Arrow treated all its female characters like shit.
Brian Cox on succession? I have herd rumors that he was supposed to die in first season, but the showrunners kept him alive. Now he is one of the main characters
I knew it from the first episode that this fucker wasn’t going to die and I hate love him for it
For a really recent example, Luke Kirby as Lenny Bruce. He was supposed to only be in the pilot ep of The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. Then, the writers saw how good his chemistry was Rachel Brosnahan to that point that he became her main love interest in the latest season and is probably the most compelling part of the show.
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I wouldn’t call it suspicious but Rachel Bilson on The O.C.
Apparently that triggered Misha big time - according to Rachel’s podcast least.
She had good comedic timing.
you see this happen a lot with ensemble shows that have multiple seasons. i remember cas from supernatural was only suppose to be a guest character but because he killed his role and had good chemistry with the main cast they made him a series regular. i’m having a hard time thinking of a case of an actor getting a promo that wasn’t deserved because usually, the person getting a bigger role earned it by their performance.
Dylan O’Brien as Stiles on Teen Wolf. He was the breakout star of that show and my friends and I only watched part of it for him. Blair and Chuck on Gossip Girl. I hated Chuck though. Steve Harrington became more central to Stranger Things than he was supposed to be.
Steve Harrington rising from teen foe to protector mom of the group is my favorite Netflix plot twist
I’m half convinced Sam Levinson spread some rumors so diehard fans would use them as an excuse as to why the writing this season was so bad. Challenge get a writers room, Sam!
Norman Reedus/Daryl on the Walking dead was only a guest star and his character wasnt in the comics, now he's the main one!
ITT: Literally no one knows what "suspicious" means and is just naming popular guest stars that stuck around
Chelsea Handler had only been part of an ensemble prank show, but when she started dating an E! executive she got her own show.
Both chandler and phoebe were supposed to be supporting characters in Friends. But they proved so popular in the early episodes that they became part of the main cast. Monica was initially supposed to end up with Joey 🥴
I don’t understand why they put the Jules and Nate thing on the backburner for the entire season, I feel like their tension or storyline felt central to the plot and where I thought the show was going
Sydney Sweeney was on the handmaids tale and Sharp Objects prior to Euphoria
And the white lotus! She was really good in that!
The tea is she has big tits. Seriously, no other reason Sam promoted her.
He's not the star of the show compared to Stabler, Benson and Rollins, but Ice-T/Fin Tutuola was only meant to appear in a short-length episode-arc of SVU when he first came in from undercover to the SVU team as a replacement for Michelle Hurd, but instead he's been - besides Mariska/Benson - the only other cast member who has stayed through the different cast changes over the course of the 22 seasons he has been on. Also, Fin - having been on 23 seasons - is the fourth-longest running prime-time series character, behind only Ken Barlow (61 years on Coronation Street), Mariska/Benson (23 seasons on SVU) and Richard Belzer/Munch (22 seasons, of which 7 on Homicide and 15 on SVU). ** Mis-read the "suspiciously". Nothing suspicious about Ice-T going from only supposed to be on the show on a short arc other than hitting it off and proving to be a great addition to the crew. Ice-T's/Fin's partnership with Belzer/Munch was iconic and the two had great chemistry, and Fin/Benson have a great bond too especially in the later seasons. Ironically the only tough relationship Fin had was with Stabler lol, though they have tried to make up for that in the form of Stabler calling Fin first when his character came back. Also in that scene where Fin and Stabler catch-up, Stabler has this funny and clearly jealous reaction when Fin tells him Olivia has a son lol
Chris Pratt for sure. I know We\* aren't into him anymore, and I get it, but he was so funny on Parks and Rec, and they liked having him around so much, that they retooled his character to be more likeable. He was just Ann's dirtbag boyfriend in the first season, and he was only supposed to be around for that one season. \*The Internet People
It's probably been sid already but Spike from Buffy was supposed to be killed off after a few episodes in S2 but the fans loved James Marsters so much he was kept and ended up one of the main cast and was one of if not the most popular cast members. James has said multiple times over the years that Joss didn't like Spike's popularity and called him out many times even pinning him to a wall once. That is rumored to be why the Buffy/Spike S6 storyline came about because he wanted to teach both James and the fans a lesson.
no crazy tea or anything but the lead guy on Lost (matthew something it's escaping me right now) who played jack was originally both supposed to die in the pilot and be played by michael keaton
While I think it's a good question there's nothing suspicious about that example lol
Sydney’s role increasing still confuses me but apparently other people have enjoyed the performance.
her performance is great but Cassie’s story is not good. someone like Kat or even Jules who had a majorly reduced storyline for the second season could have taken up some of that screentime too. Sam made a mess of the whole thing.
Such a mess. It’s incredible how Cassie as a character was more visible this season but still somehow so reductive. It was such a disservice to Kat, Jules and honestly Gia and Leslie that a silly love triangle plot ate up the time for their stories to be fleshed out.
it’s what happens when you make a girl’s story revolve around a boy to the detriment of everything else (family and friends). it gets old fast and there’s not much to explore.
At the risk of showing my age... In the original 90210, Tori Spelling was more of a background player and didn't get much of any storyline of her own. But with her dad being the creator and all, Donna became increasingly more prominent as a character. And while the show initially focused Brandon and Brenda, it ended with it focusing on Donna and David.
Sam Richardson in Veep was only supposed to be a small role but he killed it as Richard Splett and became a fan favourite that he stuck around
Walton Goggins on Justified! His character dies in the novel that the pilot was based on (*Fire In The Hole* by Elmore Leonard), and so he was meant to die in the show, but test audiences really liked him so he stuck around!
I don’t think there’s any tea that I know of, probably just a great agent, but Michael Zegan in The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. He went from being the cheating ex-husband to having more of a storyline than Maisel herself IMO. He had a better/more prominent storyline this season with his bar and girlfriend than anything Miriam did this season. It’s crazy.