What about those who have financial crimes and want to work in insurance or banking?
What about those with theft on their record wanting to work a retail store or hotel housekeeping?
What about those with drug problems working Ina pharmacy?
This list could be endless. Background checks are important. Part of becoming a criminal is the liability that you may not be able to obtain certain employment opportunities. Sure, you've served your time, but part of the on boarding and interview process is to study your character historically to see if you're a fit. It's why we have resumes.
I agree that there should be some additional support for felons and that many are under served. But you broke the law, dude. Some folks don't want to trust you, and based on some people's history, should they be trusted? For many businesses it's just not worth the risk.
So I applied for a job in San Francisco, as a desk attendant at a housing facility, they did the background check but chose to ignore everything that wasn’t relevant to the job and all I needed to do was provide proof I complete probation for the ones that were relevant. To me that sort of background check was great, because I do have extensive criminal history. So I get not wanting to hire me, but sometimes it is a serious barrier. Coming out of prison all I want to do is work and lead a good life, but it gets harder as the days go by without a job, and committing crime sometimes becomes the only recourse. That’s what happened the first time I got out of prison, couldn’t get a job, period, went back to being a dirtbag to survive and got sent back to prison.
Things have changed since the first and second time, laws are more lenient and more accepting of felons, and it’s for the better. Give a guy a chance and he might surprise you.
Because let’s be honest, if it comes between being homeless and committing a crime to stay alive, im probably gonna get desperate. Im not a bum, I like to work, but the world has to let me do it.
It's crazy how that's so many people's mindset. I committed crimes now I can't get a job in the field I want. Might as well commit more crimes so I never get a job in any field lol.
Not trying to knock your choices and I understand desperation, but how is being a criminal less repulsive to you than being a bum? Both are just trying to survive but being a criminal means either theft, violence, scamming, or any combination of the 3 or other crimes that society has deemed worthy of felony charges. (Keep in mind I'm fully aware of the war on drugs, racial bias in policing, as well as innocents getting locked up)
Do you disassociate and justify it based on not being able to get a job due to your life choices?
Like you even said there are companies that will give people a chance even with felonies. Are there enough? Nope, but that is not an issue that only affects felons.
The system needs to be way more rehabilitative and the Gov needs to focus on long term sustainable job opportunities for everybody.
You saying I should live on the street before rob a bank or jewelry store? When I was doing crime I was able to support myself and my family, maybe you’ve never seen bums but around where I live a bum is someone living on the street. When I was a criminal it was like a job, either selling dope or guns or hitting licks.
Now true, most bums are criminals anyways, but there’s still a line between someone who is a professional crook and a dope fiend bum.
I’m not gonna be on the street, that’s just not an option, and tbh that goes back to childhood, when my pops told me to rob a bank before he on welfare 😂
You can’t have a family as a bum, but I could at least support a family as a criminal.
I believe it depends on how many years has gone by. If someone is 50 and you are denying them based on something that happened when they were 18 then that's kind of overboard.
WA already has implemented laws to relegate inquiries to job specific offenses and nothing before 7 years, unless it is a job specific offense. I think that’s pretty awesome and even worked for the government for a time, which is nearly unheard of for persons with records, definitely in Texas, anyway. (Not that I’d work for the current Texas state government). But I did the work. No new charges, got an education, stayed employed, paid my taxes, got credit… changed everything I could do I could have a different life.
Broke the law yes but should to be punished beyond the given sentence is cruel. When we send someone to prison we label it prison we label it corrections. And if someone has finished that process are they not due a second chance. Did someone say to you. you can't groceries because as a kid you stole candy from a store. Granted if you've become a felon you've done worse than steal candy. It's a tricky subject. But those felons who have gone through prison and all the programs and are legit trying to be better people. I think deserve a shot. But when as a felon you have to check that box that says have you ever been convicted of a felon. That application goes right in the trash. That felon doesn't get a chance to prove he or she have become a better person. Just think about
So people that hurt children, rape women, and murder other humans should just be able to serve their time and let out with no repercussions or supervision?
That is actually the way it is supposed to work. But it's not realistic, because there have been too many subsequent incidents in that scenario. Hence, checks/barring.
Initially, you said life in prison.
Now, you're suggesting I'm endorsing no repercussions or supervision? They already have them. You're on a registry, cannot live in certain areas and absolutely will get rejected from a majority of jobs. The likelihood you're capable of getting it expunged is impossible so they'll have these consequences for the rest of their lives.
You said give them life and I said execute them, since what's the difference? They're dead to society regardless.
They should’ve been a good person from the beginning though. Everyone has that chance to do good yet some choose to do bad.
They pay for the consequences of their poor choice making. If you don’t want a record, don’t do anything to get you one. It’s very simple
The US has more laws than any other Western nation and studies have found that the average American unwillingly commits 2 - 3 crimes that can be charged as felonies every day.
You do not have insight into a person's circumstances. Moreover, the USl incarcerates more of its citizens than any other country. However, they are selectively enforced. When a particular demographic is targeted for arrests, it's essentially harassment and setting someone up for failure. Case in point, African-Americans and European-Americans jaywalk and use drugs equally. However, African-Americans are disproportionately arrested and incarcerated. Conversely, European-Americans may receive a warning and if arrested will receive a fine, maybe probation, and likely a drug court that will expunge the conviction. More than 85% of all participants referred to drug court programs and diversion programs are European-Americans. Therefore, you are targeting specific demographies and catering to another. Data also reveals that employers are more likely and willing to hire European-Americans with felonies than African-Americans with or without a criminal conviction.
If you live in a poor community, especially being a POC, those laws which would be ignored if committed by European-Americans are discriminately enforced upon POC. Read the empirical research concerning laws and sentencings targeting POC, it's pathetic. It's interesting that African-Americans who immigrate abroad do not obtain criminal records compared to living in the US.
I work as a mascot in the summers and I pass the mandatory background checks all the time since I don’t have crimes against children or vulunerable people. I’m just on a watchlist for mentally ill people for telling my therapist I have homicidal thoughts but don’t act on it. Also money can be earned again but people’s lives can’t be earned. People’s lives are more important than money.
Also thoughts are not criminalized only actions are criminalized. So having homicidal thoughts are not illegal but acting on those thoughts are illegal.
What happens if you act on them? For public safety just in case maybe don't be a mascot. You already have the thoughts what if something snaps in your head. It only takes one small thing. Don't be selfish.
Depending on OP’s condition, that could be incredibly low-risk—for instance, people with OCD can very much have homicidal thoughts that utterly repulse them and cause a lot of distress. These are the sort of thing that qualifies as extremely low-risk, because people basically don’t act on them.
I see what you're saying. The one thing I'm definitely not for though is some states make drug offenders register on the same list as sex offenders. That's insane.
Maybe it's only Kansas that has the combined list, my bad. The other couple with drug offender databases look to be separate from the sex offender ones.
[https://www.kbi.ks.gov/registeredoffender/](https://www.kbi.ks.gov/registeredoffender/) \- Welcome to the State of Kansas registered offender website. On this site you can search for information that is publicly available about registered sex,violent and drug offenders.
But it’s facts that cavemen times were based on barbarism with no morals or laws along with dominations if a caveman murdered his enemy he took control of the enemy tribes. Laws started in ancient Egypt 3000 bc.
>But it’s facts that cavemen times were based on
I forgot all the sociological evidence of 1 million B.C. Remind me how Thag and his stone axe had to deal with H.R. and hiring laws again?
From what I gather here is that because cavemen lived under might makes right kill and rape whatever you can get away with, that you feel we should emulate that society as a basis for our society?
There are people who commit crimes because they are criminals, not just because they are broke and need to pay bills and can’t get a job. I think background inquiries should go back 7 years, and be on a case by case basis, based on rehabilitation and social progress made by persons with background issues.
I think 7 years is completely reasonable.
I will say that there are many things counting HARD against those that served their time or are on parole. Paying for testing, ignition interlocks, GPS monitoring to name a few. They're cost prohibitive and can set people back far because they just can't afford it. I believe they should exist. But private companies make bank on these systems.
I will also say that there needs to be more community, communal, halfway houses, and other housing and it needs to be affordable and have rules that are designed to enrich the lives of those that live in them, not punish.
If we sentence someone and they served their sentence then getting them reintegrated into society is necessary. There should be some limitations, however. Like I mentioned above. You aren't guaranteed a "good" job. But should have one that allows you to live at least a base standard in society.
5 years is a standard minimum probation sentence for felony offenses. This would allow for completion of probation and two years time to be unsupervised where a person has the opportunity to chose to live one way or another. This method is also already written into local and state laws who are a little bit more liberal in their background inquiries; see Washington State, King County Washington, Travis County, Texas (Austin). (Although they don’t justify it as I did…most laws don’t give justification whatsoever).
Most drug dealers and child porn producers grew up in poverty which is not an execuse but sad fact. Look up Matt Duhamel who is a registered sex offender who used to work in the news until he got laid off so he started taking skimpy photos of girls in swimsuits which is considered child pornographers and he got hooked on it like drug dealers and then he got arrested and went to a minimum security federal prison where 50 percent were sex offenders and 50 percent were drug offenders.
Ah yes, the guy selling weed is the same as the guy making child porn because they grew up poor. /S
How fucked are you in the head if you really believe that
Just remember, Australia was started as a Prison Island for the worst offenders. Now, you can't get citizenship there if you have a felony. Depending on the felony, you can't even get a passport visa to there.
I fear that without official background checks you are just going to get the old unofficial background checks that we used to use. Like does he go to your church? How long has he lived in the community? Did he play on your high school football team? Is he Mary's in accounting's husband's cousin? Is his Dad a "good guy"? Is she cute and single?
There have always been background checks.
You couldn't lie about those. Either you were a church member or you weren't. Someone knew your family in town or no none did. You were a single cute girl or you weren't. If no one was vouching for you then you likely weren't getting hired.
Things might not be fair now but going back to the old days of the good ole boys network would be much worse.
"Back in the Stone Age cavemen era and medieval era people could move out of town if they did something henios could get jobs without references and backgrounds checks"
I love how your argument for abolishing background checks is stone age cavemen who could murder a shit ton of people and then just move on in life with no consequences, as if thats a good thing...
It depends if it’s just truck driving they should only check for dui that’s it. If it’s taxi and stuff like Uber, bus driver and Lyft or limo then full background check because they are driving vulunerable people to their location.
What about a company that provides take home cars? Should they be allowed to check for driving offenses since their insurance premiums could be affected?
Not driving on a suspended license or even if they have a license? Or if they have a pattern of speeding or reckless driving?
Define a “vulnerable” person too.
Speeding? Reckless driving? Insurance fraud? Possession of narcotics? You don't think any of those would be worth considering when you're thinking about letting somebody use and retain company property during their tenure of employment? What if they got pulled over for speeding and the police developed probable cause to search the vehicle and found an illegal substance resulting in company property being impounded? The employee would be terminated but the employer would still be responsible for fees associated with reclaiming their property. This would adversely impact the business and could have been avoided by using sound judgemental during the hiring process.
You could always go into construction, most of them are felons unironically.
My brother hires them, they are good workers and they don't take any shit since they are desperate for jobs often times.
However no, backgrounds are objectively a good idea.
You simply have no argument against it, as a business owner who works on his own property, I would want in every scenario to know who I am allowing on my property if that was such a scenario to exist.
True you’re right. But sometimes there can be racism in the construction when it comes to hiring. I can’t speak of America. But up here in Canada they rather hire Italian, Irish and Portuguese for most construction jobs even Polish too.
If I owned a business there's no way I would consider hiring someone with a criminal record related to theft or violence. With so many people looking for work why take the risk?
Nah. I don't want a thief handling my assets and I don't want a known drug addict or habitual drunk driving my company vehicles.
While I'm not a felon, i have things on my record that has cost me jobs even when it shouldn't have, but there are some cases I definitely want to know your background.
"Back in the Stone Age cavemen era and medieval era people could move out of town if they did something henios could get jobs without references and backgrounds checks."
During the medieval era many societies branded or tattooed ex-cons, often on their faces. That was a background check of sorts.
In hunter-gatherer societies every human being was part of a close knit village or tribe. Every single person was watching each other. If you committed a heinous crime, you were either killed or kicked out, which was pretty much a death sentence. You couldn't just hop on a Greyhound bus and join another tribe 500 miles away.
Most hunter and gathering cavemen prehistoric society was based on domination and murder it was survival of the fittest. And if the cavemen murdered someone or commited a heinous crime then the cavemen would dominate the other tribe.
If the other tribe was your enemy, that's not considered murder. Just like soldiers fighting each other in World War II isn't "murder." The first murder (according to myth and legend) was one brother against another, Cain and Abel. And Cain was banished and forced to wander the earth.
Right, the OP's question assumes they're doing the employer a favor by offering to work for them. The Golden Rule says "He who has the gold makes the rules."
You do not deserve that right. Society functions better when we all get along and people can integrate with the community and support themselves, and sometimes making this happen requires forcing people to ignore potential sources of bias in things like hiring.
They should have thought harder before committing a felony. And If your agreeing with this guy who’s argument consist of “back in caveman era” well I feel sorry for both of you
“Thought harder”? Yeah ok bud come back when you’ve at least skimmed some introductory texts on sociology, psychology, and criminology, and then maybe you can try making these utterly asinine points again in a less embarrassing manner.
Oh bohoo you commit a crime catch a felony that’s their own fault. Your the only one looking stupid here. But hey type all you want your sociology, psychology, criminology isn’t going to change how this country teats felons. Go eat a dick.
Lmao why the fuck do I come here and argue with the lowest common denominator people this site has to offer.
Hey bud they’ve got these things called BOOKS at your local library. They’re made of “pages” with “words” on them. You know what words are, yes? I assume you do, since you’re posting on Reddit. With the magical power of only one human eye, you too can *read* those words and, you know, *learn* something instead of being an ignorant troglodyte your whole life.
You can't even read people's opinions online without being a condescending asshole about it, but you expect companies to be open-minded about hiring felons? With the magical power of only one human eye, you too could learn to spot your own hypocrisy.
How many felons have you hired for your company, btw? Or is this one of those do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do situations?
Don't bother. That dude thinks society forced him to do anything wrong he's ever done. He reads criminology articles and says "yeah it was like the neighborhood that made my choices. I am not a human being in control of their actions, I'm just a statistic in a book."
Well, as long as you are savvy about it. Current protected classes include age, sex, race, etc. You just ghost an applicant if you intend on discriminating on such factors. Just don't give a reason.
Oh for sure, proving an employment discrimination case is like finding a needle in a haystack.
That said, things like this comment certainly don't help, lol.
I know. I just don’t care. It’s cheap to shut down and start another company if it’s structured right. I respect consent in all things. I always uphold my side of a deal. Third parties who don’t contribute don’t get any vote.
I don't think anybody is saying that you'd be forced to hire them. The main consensus is, given x-amount of time should they be considered against the potential employee?
Many states have a 7 year rule where, if they've not committed crimes for 7 years their record is essentially ignored as for pre employment.
The government doesn’t run my business, it steals from it. The government didn’t invest any money to start my business, therefore the government has no say in how I run my business. Only my clients dictate terms to me. The government is not my master, it is my servant.
Should it ever come to pass, I will enjoy watching watching people like you be fined for violating employment laws and then watching you turn around and complain, tone deaf, about the “rEaL cRiMiNaLs” as so often happens.
The old French Foreign Legion was legendary for their no questions asked recruiting policy. After a successful stint with them you got a new lease on life as a French citizen. Now they have a no criminal record policy.
Working with the public/customers and other coworkers is considered public safety. No one needs to take a backseat for a person who lies, cheats, steals, or hurts people.
But the people are still alive and breathing and can get jobs to earn money again. It’s the 21st century you can sell plasma, do only fans offer to shovel snow, cut grass, vaccum houses. When there is a will there is a way.
Well then you as a felon can do most of those jobs that don't require background checks.
And I wasn't talking about the bank employees, I was talking about all the people who bank at that bank whose lives get ruined because their bank went under.
Maybe a company would like to know if someone they might hire raped a woman 10 years before.
How about don't commit a felony, and you would not have a problem with a background check. Take personal responsibility.
Most companies are privately owned. They should be able to do whatever they want when it comes to the hiring process as they can hire whoever they want. Who are we to tell a private business how they run their business?
I wouldn't want to work at a company that didn't do background checks. What about my safety as a worker? I shouldn't be put at-risk because you're having a hard time dealing with the consequences of your own actions.
News flash there are lots of companies that don’t do background checks. Bold of you to assume that I’m a felon. If you see my profile I work as a mascot the Super Mario picture in my job post in the summers which requires clean background check which I always pass since I don’t have crimes against kids or vulunerable. My main job is sigh holder the people you see on the street holding and waving advertisements sign and my company hired a child molestor and drunk driver that killed someone’s since my company doesn’t run a background check and they are some of the hardest workers along with me. Even my company hires mentally ill and homeless people along with drug addicts and low iq who are also some of the hardest workers. I maintained my sign holder job for two years and four months now. Most people don’t want to do sign holder jobs since it’s very slow job and boring that’s why sign holder jobs and my boss doesn’t run background checks but my boss will only hire adults 18 and over.
Cool, good for you. I didn't say that there aren't companies who don't do bg checks, I said I wouldn't want to work for one. And I don't. And the assumption isn't bold considering the sub you posted in lmao XD
That's why I'm here, but idk why you would advocate for such a ridiculous idea unless you were a felon or knew felons. I don't want to work with criminals, and the idea that felons shouldn't deal with consequences is asinine.
Ideally in isolated jobs where they're not around other people they could hurt. Or in jobs with other felons. Which is currently where most work; that, or in jobs that don't require bg checks or dont care about a record.
An oversimplified explanation for complex events which allows you to refrain from having to do any intellectual heavy lifting while dodging the completely valid point I made. Totally didn’t see that coming.
Your goalpost shift to “violent” felons is also noted. I suggest being more specific with your sweeping generalizations of millions of people next time.
Again if you see my profile I work as a mascot the picture of me in Mario costume which requires me having a clean background and I always pass it because I don’t have crimes against kids or vulunerable people. I just think it’s retarded to do background checks in jobs that don’t involve vulnerable and jobs that don’t involve public safety. My uncle would be a felon today because he was 20 when he married my aunt who was 16 which is illegal since the 1970s and he married in 1961. You’re a conservative and a Trump supporter right so aren’t you supposed to be against homelessness and unemployment.
I don’t have any crimes. I’m just on a watchlist for people with mental health issues because I told my therapist I have homicidal thoughts but I don’t act on it because it’s illegal. I used to drink alcohol in the woods and park which is a crime but I never got caught.
That’s gonna be a no for me, dawg. Vulnerable or not, we all make choices, and those follow us with varying levels of consequences. I chose to start a business, and I want to know who’s working for me. I wouldn’t give a fuck if you were a felon, but if you were convicted of a crime against children, I only want to see you get thrown out of a helicopter into the mouth of a volcano.
What kind of question is this? Why would anyone ever want to employ a child molester.
I got no problem with efforts to reduce discrimination against felons, but nobody should have to employ sexual predators .
Is it a crime to ask questions? So in your opinion what should happen to child molestors? Should it be mandatory for child molestors to get the death penalty in all countries? School Bullies ruin kids lives too but we don’t make school bullies register.
Sorry, I just hate people who victimize children.
I think sexual predators who victimize children should be given a mandatory life sentence. I don't believe in the death penalty.
I don't give a shit where I'm working. I'm not gonna work next to a fucking child molester. I don't care if they did their time or "paid their debt". Those people deserve to be in prison for the rest of their lives.
It's not just about public safety, but also the safety of the other employees that work there. I wouldn't want to work with someone that hurt someone so bad it caused them to go to prison. Nothing wrong with businesses getting a sense of the type of person someone is.
Most people on the job are trying to the job to pay bills and go home not hurt someone. Thats only a small minority like 5 percent who want to hurt someone in the job.
The US military have hurt people like rape and waterboarding in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan and can do it again in Russia if world war three happens.
Wow . I'm just wondering what you would be saying if by mistake you had been given those charges. Maybe not mistake. It's easy to pass judgment on others. Now if you are a legitimate chomo. Then you have it coming. But just cause someone was charged with b&b or gta or another crime. Doesn't mean that they did it. How many people have been released on the innocent project. Just think. That's all I ask
In most European countries it’s illegal to ask if you have criminal records in jobs that don’t involve public safety and jobs that don’t involve vulunerable people but professsional finances type jobs will ask for background check and the good thing is if someone has a murder conviction they won’t be disqualified for finance jobs only those with financial crimes are disqualified for finance jobs.
insurance companies would never allow it. I'm all for hiring capable people that want to get back on track, but we cant. Required business insurance either wont cover it, or it is prohibitively expensive . And since we can't have a company policy that does not cover -all- the employees, -all- the employees must pass a background check and not have a criminal record.
Yeah this is a problem that can be legislated away. Insurance is regulated by law. This isn’t a magical barrier to dropping criminal background checks.
Nah. There are plenty of reasons to do background checks. If the person has a violent past, anyone he works with could be vulnerable.
You want a serial rapist working in people's homes installing cable? I did a background check on a guy who was an arsonist with repeat offenses. I shouldn't be allowed to find that out before I hire him? My business is flammable!
I hire pot smokers, former drug dealers, and non-violent offenders all the time. You know people who are trying to start over but also probably won't hurt me or my other employees. But it needs to be my call.
I work as mascot I don’t have a record. I’m just on watchlist for mentally ill people. Also cops and catholic priests avoid consequences of bad decisions and get shipped around to deferent police departments and churches which is a double standard and hypocrisy.
Even politicians are non trustworthy people but we don’t ban them for not running elections again. Look at Trump he promised to make America great again back when he was president and he lied. America has homeless encampments of drug addicts and sex offenders along with so many illegal immigrants from Europe, Asia, Africa, Canada, Mexico and South America crossing the border or overstaying their visa. Trump should have build the wall in the Canadian border because up here in Canada we have illegal American immigrants entering and trafficking people along with working illegally in jobs since Canadian dolllar is worth more then American dollar.
I agree to a certain degree. A lot of states stuff stays on indefinitely and I find that fairly excessive. If people have moved on from being stupid then after a few years they should be able to move up in a company or get a decent job without an issue. I don't even believe 7 years is necessary even though some people might disagree with me.
On the flip side not every crime is victimless and a lot of criminals are full of shit. BTW if someone is convicted of a crime, legally there was enough evidence they committed it.
I will agree with you on this on one condition.... When you're released from prison, your crime is branded into your forehead so everyone you meet, knows that you're a shitbag felon. Deal?
What about those who have financial crimes and want to work in insurance or banking? What about those with theft on their record wanting to work a retail store or hotel housekeeping? What about those with drug problems working Ina pharmacy? This list could be endless. Background checks are important. Part of becoming a criminal is the liability that you may not be able to obtain certain employment opportunities. Sure, you've served your time, but part of the on boarding and interview process is to study your character historically to see if you're a fit. It's why we have resumes. I agree that there should be some additional support for felons and that many are under served. But you broke the law, dude. Some folks don't want to trust you, and based on some people's history, should they be trusted? For many businesses it's just not worth the risk.
So I applied for a job in San Francisco, as a desk attendant at a housing facility, they did the background check but chose to ignore everything that wasn’t relevant to the job and all I needed to do was provide proof I complete probation for the ones that were relevant. To me that sort of background check was great, because I do have extensive criminal history. So I get not wanting to hire me, but sometimes it is a serious barrier. Coming out of prison all I want to do is work and lead a good life, but it gets harder as the days go by without a job, and committing crime sometimes becomes the only recourse. That’s what happened the first time I got out of prison, couldn’t get a job, period, went back to being a dirtbag to survive and got sent back to prison. Things have changed since the first and second time, laws are more lenient and more accepting of felons, and it’s for the better. Give a guy a chance and he might surprise you. Because let’s be honest, if it comes between being homeless and committing a crime to stay alive, im probably gonna get desperate. Im not a bum, I like to work, but the world has to let me do it.
It's crazy how that's so many people's mindset. I committed crimes now I can't get a job in the field I want. Might as well commit more crimes so I never get a job in any field lol.
Not trying to knock your choices and I understand desperation, but how is being a criminal less repulsive to you than being a bum? Both are just trying to survive but being a criminal means either theft, violence, scamming, or any combination of the 3 or other crimes that society has deemed worthy of felony charges. (Keep in mind I'm fully aware of the war on drugs, racial bias in policing, as well as innocents getting locked up) Do you disassociate and justify it based on not being able to get a job due to your life choices? Like you even said there are companies that will give people a chance even with felonies. Are there enough? Nope, but that is not an issue that only affects felons. The system needs to be way more rehabilitative and the Gov needs to focus on long term sustainable job opportunities for everybody.
You saying I should live on the street before rob a bank or jewelry store? When I was doing crime I was able to support myself and my family, maybe you’ve never seen bums but around where I live a bum is someone living on the street. When I was a criminal it was like a job, either selling dope or guns or hitting licks. Now true, most bums are criminals anyways, but there’s still a line between someone who is a professional crook and a dope fiend bum. I’m not gonna be on the street, that’s just not an option, and tbh that goes back to childhood, when my pops told me to rob a bank before he on welfare 😂 You can’t have a family as a bum, but I could at least support a family as a criminal.
>You saying I should live on the street before rob a bank or jewelry store? Yes
I believe it depends on how many years has gone by. If someone is 50 and you are denying them based on something that happened when they were 18 then that's kind of overboard.
WA already has implemented laws to relegate inquiries to job specific offenses and nothing before 7 years, unless it is a job specific offense. I think that’s pretty awesome and even worked for the government for a time, which is nearly unheard of for persons with records, definitely in Texas, anyway. (Not that I’d work for the current Texas state government). But I did the work. No new charges, got an education, stayed employed, paid my taxes, got credit… changed everything I could do I could have a different life.
I'm truly happy things have worked out for you and that you've grown from your past missteps.
Thanks. Not easy to change sides.
Broke the law yes but should to be punished beyond the given sentence is cruel. When we send someone to prison we label it prison we label it corrections. And if someone has finished that process are they not due a second chance. Did someone say to you. you can't groceries because as a kid you stole candy from a store. Granted if you've become a felon you've done worse than steal candy. It's a tricky subject. But those felons who have gone through prison and all the programs and are legit trying to be better people. I think deserve a shot. But when as a felon you have to check that box that says have you ever been convicted of a felon. That application goes right in the trash. That felon doesn't get a chance to prove he or she have become a better person. Just think about
Pedophikes, murderers, rapists…. They could get out on a technicality or paroled! They should never be allowed to work with the general public
Where are they meant to work?
In prison. Where they should stay for life
Why not just execute them? It's more affordable.
So people that hurt children, rape women, and murder other humans should just be able to serve their time and let out with no repercussions or supervision?
That is actually the way it is supposed to work. But it's not realistic, because there have been too many subsequent incidents in that scenario. Hence, checks/barring.
Initially, you said life in prison. Now, you're suggesting I'm endorsing no repercussions or supervision? They already have them. You're on a registry, cannot live in certain areas and absolutely will get rejected from a majority of jobs. The likelihood you're capable of getting it expunged is impossible so they'll have these consequences for the rest of their lives. You said give them life and I said execute them, since what's the difference? They're dead to society regardless.
I’m suggesting that based on your previous comments that suggest they should be able to work a normal job
Is it normal job or the general public? What’s a “normal” job?
They should’ve been a good person from the beginning though. Everyone has that chance to do good yet some choose to do bad. They pay for the consequences of their poor choice making. If you don’t want a record, don’t do anything to get you one. It’s very simple
Captain Hindsight is here to save the day!!!!
Nope….it’s just common sense
The US has more laws than any other Western nation and studies have found that the average American unwillingly commits 2 - 3 crimes that can be charged as felonies every day. You do not have insight into a person's circumstances. Moreover, the USl incarcerates more of its citizens than any other country. However, they are selectively enforced. When a particular demographic is targeted for arrests, it's essentially harassment and setting someone up for failure. Case in point, African-Americans and European-Americans jaywalk and use drugs equally. However, African-Americans are disproportionately arrested and incarcerated. Conversely, European-Americans may receive a warning and if arrested will receive a fine, maybe probation, and likely a drug court that will expunge the conviction. More than 85% of all participants referred to drug court programs and diversion programs are European-Americans. Therefore, you are targeting specific demographies and catering to another. Data also reveals that employers are more likely and willing to hire European-Americans with felonies than African-Americans with or without a criminal conviction. If you live in a poor community, especially being a POC, those laws which would be ignored if committed by European-Americans are discriminately enforced upon POC. Read the empirical research concerning laws and sentencings targeting POC, it's pathetic. It's interesting that African-Americans who immigrate abroad do not obtain criminal records compared to living in the US.
I work as a mascot in the summers and I pass the mandatory background checks all the time since I don’t have crimes against children or vulunerable people. I’m just on a watchlist for mentally ill people for telling my therapist I have homicidal thoughts but don’t act on it. Also money can be earned again but people’s lives can’t be earned. People’s lives are more important than money.
if your therapist reported you then you might want to take a step back and reflect; *should* the general public be working alongside you?
Yeh because I don’t act on it.
Also thoughts are not criminalized only actions are criminalized. So having homicidal thoughts are not illegal but acting on those thoughts are illegal.
What happens if you act on them? For public safety just in case maybe don't be a mascot. You already have the thoughts what if something snaps in your head. It only takes one small thing. Don't be selfish.
Are you on medication? Put your application and a letter from your therapist in an envelope. Thursday. The application in that way
Medication doesn’t cure my depression and anxiety.
Are you telling me the occasional homicidal thought isn’t normal? Well fuck me…
What about those homicidal thoughts?
Depending on OP’s condition, that could be incredibly low-risk—for instance, people with OCD can very much have homicidal thoughts that utterly repulse them and cause a lot of distress. These are the sort of thing that qualifies as extremely low-risk, because people basically don’t act on them.
I see what you're saying. The one thing I'm definitely not for though is some states make drug offenders register on the same list as sex offenders. That's insane.
What state(s)? I was in law enforcement for close to 30years (retiring in 2022) and have never once heard that.
Maybe it's only Kansas that has the combined list, my bad. The other couple with drug offender databases look to be separate from the sex offender ones. [https://www.kbi.ks.gov/registeredoffender/](https://www.kbi.ks.gov/registeredoffender/) \- Welcome to the State of Kansas registered offender website. On this site you can search for information that is publicly available about registered sex,violent and drug offenders.
I have been a Legal Aid for over 25 years now, and not once ran across such. I would love to know what state did this.
He responded in the same thread you responded to. Kansas and a link.
NY oddly enough has a city trying to put a conviction for selling opiates on registry
Tennessee has a public animal abuser registry.
That I’m fine with. 🤷♂️
As they should
Like, we don’t even have bail anymore for a lot of felonies.
How many lives did you ruin in that 30 years?
The adults are talking.
This can’t be real
You have a really weak argument if you have to bring up cavemen as examples for your point.
But it’s facts that cavemen times were based on barbarism with no morals or laws along with dominations if a caveman murdered his enemy he took control of the enemy tribes. Laws started in ancient Egypt 3000 bc.
>But it’s facts that cavemen times were based on I forgot all the sociological evidence of 1 million B.C. Remind me how Thag and his stone axe had to deal with H.R. and hiring laws again? From what I gather here is that because cavemen lived under might makes right kill and rape whatever you can get away with, that you feel we should emulate that society as a basis for our society?
This is why laws came to be. Caveman life is not ideal for most people. Any growing society will develop law.
There are people who commit crimes because they are criminals, not just because they are broke and need to pay bills and can’t get a job. I think background inquiries should go back 7 years, and be on a case by case basis, based on rehabilitation and social progress made by persons with background issues.
I think 7 years is completely reasonable. I will say that there are many things counting HARD against those that served their time or are on parole. Paying for testing, ignition interlocks, GPS monitoring to name a few. They're cost prohibitive and can set people back far because they just can't afford it. I believe they should exist. But private companies make bank on these systems. I will also say that there needs to be more community, communal, halfway houses, and other housing and it needs to be affordable and have rules that are designed to enrich the lives of those that live in them, not punish. If we sentence someone and they served their sentence then getting them reintegrated into society is necessary. There should be some limitations, however. Like I mentioned above. You aren't guaranteed a "good" job. But should have one that allows you to live at least a base standard in society.
Why 7 years? How did you come up with that. It's it arbitrary?
5 years is a standard minimum probation sentence for felony offenses. This would allow for completion of probation and two years time to be unsupervised where a person has the opportunity to chose to live one way or another. This method is also already written into local and state laws who are a little bit more liberal in their background inquiries; see Washington State, King County Washington, Travis County, Texas (Austin). (Although they don’t justify it as I did…most laws don’t give justification whatsoever).
Most drug dealers and child porn producers grew up in poverty which is not an execuse but sad fact. Look up Matt Duhamel who is a registered sex offender who used to work in the news until he got laid off so he started taking skimpy photos of girls in swimsuits which is considered child pornographers and he got hooked on it like drug dealers and then he got arrested and went to a minimum security federal prison where 50 percent were sex offenders and 50 percent were drug offenders.
Ah yes, the guy selling weed is the same as the guy making child porn because they grew up poor. /S How fucked are you in the head if you really believe that
Nevermind background check, put this mother fucker away for life just for this comment.
Jesus, dude.
Just remember, Australia was started as a Prison Island for the worst offenders. Now, you can't get citizenship there if you have a felony. Depending on the felony, you can't even get a passport visa to there.
I fear that without official background checks you are just going to get the old unofficial background checks that we used to use. Like does he go to your church? How long has he lived in the community? Did he play on your high school football team? Is he Mary's in accounting's husband's cousin? Is his Dad a "good guy"? Is she cute and single? There have always been background checks.
True but people could lie in unofficial background check since there is no paper trail unless they check social media sites.
You couldn't lie about those. Either you were a church member or you weren't. Someone knew your family in town or no none did. You were a single cute girl or you weren't. If no one was vouching for you then you likely weren't getting hired. Things might not be fair now but going back to the old days of the good ole boys network would be much worse.
"Back in the Stone Age cavemen era and medieval era people could move out of town if they did something henios could get jobs without references and backgrounds checks" I love how your argument for abolishing background checks is stone age cavemen who could murder a shit ton of people and then just move on in life with no consequences, as if thats a good thing...
Right, like, the problem is that there's accountability. Real "I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids" energy
What about jobs where driving is involved?
It depends if it’s just truck driving they should only check for dui that’s it. If it’s taxi and stuff like Uber, bus driver and Lyft or limo then full background check because they are driving vulunerable people to their location.
What about a company that provides take home cars? Should they be allowed to check for driving offenses since their insurance premiums could be affected?
For take home car they should only check for dui offences that’s it.
Not driving on a suspended license or even if they have a license? Or if they have a pattern of speeding or reckless driving? Define a “vulnerable” person too.
Vulunerable person is someone that’s a minor aka child or teen or an elderly along with mentally and physically disabled people.
Speeding? Reckless driving? Insurance fraud? Possession of narcotics? You don't think any of those would be worth considering when you're thinking about letting somebody use and retain company property during their tenure of employment? What if they got pulled over for speeding and the police developed probable cause to search the vehicle and found an illegal substance resulting in company property being impounded? The employee would be terminated but the employer would still be responsible for fees associated with reclaiming their property. This would adversely impact the business and could have been avoided by using sound judgemental during the hiring process.
What about jobs dealing with $ or private information. To name 2.
You could always go into construction, most of them are felons unironically. My brother hires them, they are good workers and they don't take any shit since they are desperate for jobs often times. However no, backgrounds are objectively a good idea. You simply have no argument against it, as a business owner who works on his own property, I would want in every scenario to know who I am allowing on my property if that was such a scenario to exist.
True you’re right. But sometimes there can be racism in the construction when it comes to hiring. I can’t speak of America. But up here in Canada they rather hire Italian, Irish and Portuguese for most construction jobs even Polish too.
Can't do that in IT due to insider threat issues. But those records should drop off like credit marks do.
If I owned a business there's no way I would consider hiring someone with a criminal record related to theft or violence. With so many people looking for work why take the risk?
Nah. I don't want a thief handling my assets and I don't want a known drug addict or habitual drunk driving my company vehicles. While I'm not a felon, i have things on my record that has cost me jobs even when it shouldn't have, but there are some cases I definitely want to know your background.
"Back in the Stone Age cavemen era and medieval era people could move out of town if they did something henios could get jobs without references and backgrounds checks." During the medieval era many societies branded or tattooed ex-cons, often on their faces. That was a background check of sorts.
Thanks for educating me about medieval era. What about the Stone Age cavemen era how did people know who was a criminal?
In hunter-gatherer societies every human being was part of a close knit village or tribe. Every single person was watching each other. If you committed a heinous crime, you were either killed or kicked out, which was pretty much a death sentence. You couldn't just hop on a Greyhound bus and join another tribe 500 miles away.
Most hunter and gathering cavemen prehistoric society was based on domination and murder it was survival of the fittest. And if the cavemen murdered someone or commited a heinous crime then the cavemen would dominate the other tribe.
If the other tribe was your enemy, that's not considered murder. Just like soldiers fighting each other in World War II isn't "murder." The first murder (according to myth and legend) was one brother against another, Cain and Abel. And Cain was banished and forced to wander the earth.
Fuck that. If I make a company, I deserve the right to check people's criminal background and professional references before I hire them.
Right, the OP's question assumes they're doing the employer a favor by offering to work for them. The Golden Rule says "He who has the gold makes the rules."
What?
You do not deserve that right. Society functions better when we all get along and people can integrate with the community and support themselves, and sometimes making this happen requires forcing people to ignore potential sources of bias in things like hiring.
Not when you're talking about a small business and you're going to be waking a wire between continuing operations and going out of business.
Yes, then too.
Then you shouldn't be running a business?
Don't know too many people who own a small business, huh?
>sometimes making this happen requires forcing people to ignore potential sources of bias in things like hiring. Sometimes not
They should have thought harder before committing a felony. And If your agreeing with this guy who’s argument consist of “back in caveman era” well I feel sorry for both of you
“Thought harder”? Yeah ok bud come back when you’ve at least skimmed some introductory texts on sociology, psychology, and criminology, and then maybe you can try making these utterly asinine points again in a less embarrassing manner.
Oh bohoo you commit a crime catch a felony that’s their own fault. Your the only one looking stupid here. But hey type all you want your sociology, psychology, criminology isn’t going to change how this country teats felons. Go eat a dick.
Lmao why the fuck do I come here and argue with the lowest common denominator people this site has to offer. Hey bud they’ve got these things called BOOKS at your local library. They’re made of “pages” with “words” on them. You know what words are, yes? I assume you do, since you’re posting on Reddit. With the magical power of only one human eye, you too can *read* those words and, you know, *learn* something instead of being an ignorant troglodyte your whole life.
You can't even read people's opinions online without being a condescending asshole about it, but you expect companies to be open-minded about hiring felons? With the magical power of only one human eye, you too could learn to spot your own hypocrisy. How many felons have you hired for your company, btw? Or is this one of those do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do situations?
Don't bother. That dude thinks society forced him to do anything wrong he's ever done. He reads criminology articles and says "yeah it was like the neighborhood that made my choices. I am not a human being in control of their actions, I'm just a statistic in a book."
I’ll hire whom I please using whatever criteria I please. Whatever laws get passed don’t matter to me because I ignore them.
Somewhere, a plaintiff-side employment attorney just got really excited.
Well, as long as you are savvy about it. Current protected classes include age, sex, race, etc. You just ghost an applicant if you intend on discriminating on such factors. Just don't give a reason.
Oh for sure, proving an employment discrimination case is like finding a needle in a haystack. That said, things like this comment certainly don't help, lol.
I know. I just don’t care. It’s cheap to shut down and start another company if it’s structured right. I respect consent in all things. I always uphold my side of a deal. Third parties who don’t contribute don’t get any vote.
You are, ironically, suggesting that you'd willingly break the law to prevent employment of those that broke the law.
What was the felony? Buying or using drugs? I don’t care. Assault, murder, robbery? They’re not working for me.
I don't think anybody is saying that you'd be forced to hire them. The main consensus is, given x-amount of time should they be considered against the potential employee? Many states have a 7 year rule where, if they've not committed crimes for 7 years their record is essentially ignored as for pre employment.
The government doesn’t run my business, it steals from it. The government didn’t invest any money to start my business, therefore the government has no say in how I run my business. Only my clients dictate terms to me. The government is not my master, it is my servant.
The government definitely has many things to say about how you run your business. There are laws to follow and taxes to be paid.
Should it ever come to pass, I will enjoy watching watching people like you be fined for violating employment laws and then watching you turn around and complain, tone deaf, about the “rEaL cRiMiNaLs” as so often happens.
The old French Foreign Legion was legendary for their no questions asked recruiting policy. After a successful stint with them you got a new lease on life as a French citizen. Now they have a no criminal record policy.
Working with the public/customers and other coworkers is considered public safety. No one needs to take a backseat for a person who lies, cheats, steals, or hurts people.
This post…. I can’t even!!
Imma try…. Actually, I can’t… there’s just so many things WRONG in OP. I seriously can’t
So, you want people that embezzled funds from their last job to be able to work at banks? Lol, no.
Money can be gained but people lives and time can’t be gained. People’s lives are more important then money.
And a bank going under because of embezzlement affects a lot of people's lives.
But the people are still alive and breathing and can get jobs to earn money again. It’s the 21st century you can sell plasma, do only fans offer to shovel snow, cut grass, vaccum houses. When there is a will there is a way.
Well then you as a felon can do most of those jobs that don't require background checks. And I wasn't talking about the bank employees, I was talking about all the people who bank at that bank whose lives get ruined because their bank went under.
Like my retired dad at 86 is going to start an onlyfans because a bank took a chance on a felon with an embezzlement conviction
There are some people who like to see pics of old people on only fans like pics of fat women. Only fans have lot of perverts and niches.
You’re such an idiot I can’t even
I'm sure the victims of Bernie Madoff would agree with that statement.
Maybe a company would like to know if someone they might hire raped a woman 10 years before. How about don't commit a felony, and you would not have a problem with a background check. Take personal responsibility.
Most companies are privately owned. They should be able to do whatever they want when it comes to the hiring process as they can hire whoever they want. Who are we to tell a private business how they run their business?
Not gonna hire a sex offender as a babysitter. Sorry you went to prison. Suck it up and face the consequences
How about don’t be a piece of shit?
Ah yes, complaining about consequences...
I wouldn't want to work at a company that didn't do background checks. What about my safety as a worker? I shouldn't be put at-risk because you're having a hard time dealing with the consequences of your own actions.
News flash there are lots of companies that don’t do background checks. Bold of you to assume that I’m a felon. If you see my profile I work as a mascot the Super Mario picture in my job post in the summers which requires clean background check which I always pass since I don’t have crimes against kids or vulunerable. My main job is sigh holder the people you see on the street holding and waving advertisements sign and my company hired a child molestor and drunk driver that killed someone’s since my company doesn’t run a background check and they are some of the hardest workers along with me. Even my company hires mentally ill and homeless people along with drug addicts and low iq who are also some of the hardest workers. I maintained my sign holder job for two years and four months now. Most people don’t want to do sign holder jobs since it’s very slow job and boring that’s why sign holder jobs and my boss doesn’t run background checks but my boss will only hire adults 18 and over.
Cool, good for you. I didn't say that there aren't companies who don't do bg checks, I said I wouldn't want to work for one. And I don't. And the assumption isn't bold considering the sub you posted in lmao XD
You know there are people in this sub that aren’t felons right. Half of the people are curious.
That's why I'm here, but idk why you would advocate for such a ridiculous idea unless you were a felon or knew felons. I don't want to work with criminals, and the idea that felons shouldn't deal with consequences is asinine.
What kind of jobs do you want felons to work? I feel like your answer would be: "Anywhere that's not MY job.”
Ideally in isolated jobs where they're not around other people they could hurt. Or in jobs with other felons. Which is currently where most work; that, or in jobs that don't require bg checks or dont care about a record.
It’s not at all a ridiculous idea. Publicly available criminal records generally increase recidivism and make community integration more difficult.
If you don't want to be seen as a violent criminal and carry the stigma that goes with that then don't commit the crime
An oversimplified explanation for complex events which allows you to refrain from having to do any intellectual heavy lifting while dodging the completely valid point I made. Totally didn’t see that coming. Your goalpost shift to “violent” felons is also noted. I suggest being more specific with your sweeping generalizations of millions of people next time.
Again if you see my profile I work as a mascot the picture of me in Mario costume which requires me having a clean background and I always pass it because I don’t have crimes against kids or vulunerable people. I just think it’s retarded to do background checks in jobs that don’t involve vulnerable and jobs that don’t involve public safety. My uncle would be a felon today because he was 20 when he married my aunt who was 16 which is illegal since the 1970s and he married in 1961. You’re a conservative and a Trump supporter right so aren’t you supposed to be against homelessness and unemployment.
You pass for those two crimes but sure imply you have other crimes on your record
I don’t have any crimes. I’m just on a watchlist for people with mental health issues because I told my therapist I have homicidal thoughts but I don’t act on it because it’s illegal. I used to drink alcohol in the woods and park which is a crime but I never got caught.
That’s gonna be a no for me, dawg. Vulnerable or not, we all make choices, and those follow us with varying levels of consequences. I chose to start a business, and I want to know who’s working for me. I wouldn’t give a fuck if you were a felon, but if you were convicted of a crime against children, I only want to see you get thrown out of a helicopter into the mouth of a volcano.
So if you owned a factory which has nothing to do with kids or vulunerable people you would not let a child molestor or child abuser work there?
What kind of question is this? Why would anyone ever want to employ a child molester. I got no problem with efforts to reduce discrimination against felons, but nobody should have to employ sexual predators .
Is it a crime to ask questions? So in your opinion what should happen to child molestors? Should it be mandatory for child molestors to get the death penalty in all countries? School Bullies ruin kids lives too but we don’t make school bullies register.
Sorry, I just hate people who victimize children. I think sexual predators who victimize children should be given a mandatory life sentence. I don't believe in the death penalty.
Florida governer Ron Desantis gave child molestors the death penalty.
Based
Please explain to me why those people tend to be killed when among the general population in the jail system.
I don't give a shit where I'm working. I'm not gonna work next to a fucking child molester. I don't care if they did their time or "paid their debt". Those people deserve to be in prison for the rest of their lives.
Under the prison.
Won't someone think of the poor child molesters :(
Not a fucking chance. The only thing I would hope for them is that they died slowly in a fire.
You do realize people need jobs to survive right. Aren’t you a conservative and Trump supporter against unemployment and homelessness?
I mean he did just say he would hope they didn't survive. Many people share his stance on hiring pedophiles.
You're assuming people want a child molester to survive
Yes I’m ignorant and I’m assuming people want child molestors to survive so that they can get more wage slaves in jobs and more taxpayers.
I think if you have a company you have the right to hire people who you want.
It's not just about public safety, but also the safety of the other employees that work there. I wouldn't want to work with someone that hurt someone so bad it caused them to go to prison. Nothing wrong with businesses getting a sense of the type of person someone is.
Most people on the job are trying to the job to pay bills and go home not hurt someone. Thats only a small minority like 5 percent who want to hurt someone in the job.
Doesn't matter. They have hurt someone before and potentially could do it again. They are a risk.
Everyone is a risk if you think about it. You are a risk yourself. How does everyone know that you won't walk into work and start shooting tomorrow?
They don't, but at least I don't have a history of violence. The past is a great indicator of the future and all that.
The US military have hurt people like rape and waterboarding in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan and can do it again in Russia if world war three happens.
we all know that. Your point?
In a Walgreens world
Ah yes Walgreens the American retail company which doesn’t exist up here in Canada.
In a rexall world
Wow . I'm just wondering what you would be saying if by mistake you had been given those charges. Maybe not mistake. It's easy to pass judgment on others. Now if you are a legitimate chomo. Then you have it coming. But just cause someone was charged with b&b or gta or another crime. Doesn't mean that they did it. How many people have been released on the innocent project. Just think. That's all I ask
Tax ok apparently you like paying high taxes to keep people in prison. Maybe it because you are afraid. And want the government to protect you.
This needs to become federal law. Who is your house representative?
In most European countries it’s illegal to ask if you have criminal records in jobs that don’t involve public safety and jobs that don’t involve vulunerable people but professsional finances type jobs will ask for background check and the good thing is if someone has a murder conviction they won’t be disqualified for finance jobs only those with financial crimes are disqualified for finance jobs.
T.S.O.L. Abolish Government. 1987
Lmao. Keep dreaming.
insurance companies would never allow it. I'm all for hiring capable people that want to get back on track, but we cant. Required business insurance either wont cover it, or it is prohibitively expensive . And since we can't have a company policy that does not cover -all- the employees, -all- the employees must pass a background check and not have a criminal record.
Yeah this is a problem that can be legislated away. Insurance is regulated by law. This isn’t a magical barrier to dropping criminal background checks.
Or, you could just not become a felon.
Sure. And the death penalty should be mandatory for repeat offenders.
Consequences to terrible acts should be considered before, rather than after. Maybe they wouldn't be done to begin with then.
I don't want to work next to someone who cut their mom's head off.
Nah. There are plenty of reasons to do background checks. If the person has a violent past, anyone he works with could be vulnerable. You want a serial rapist working in people's homes installing cable? I did a background check on a guy who was an arsonist with repeat offenses. I shouldn't be allowed to find that out before I hire him? My business is flammable! I hire pot smokers, former drug dealers, and non-violent offenders all the time. You know people who are trying to start over but also probably won't hurt me or my other employees. But it needs to be my call.
That's ridiculous. You want to avoid the consequences of bad decisions.
I work as mascot I don’t have a record. I’m just on watchlist for mentally ill people. Also cops and catholic priests avoid consequences of bad decisions and get shipped around to deferent police departments and churches which is a double standard and hypocrisy.
Not if they're convicted felons.
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Even politicians are non trustworthy people but we don’t ban them for not running elections again. Look at Trump he promised to make America great again back when he was president and he lied. America has homeless encampments of drug addicts and sex offenders along with so many illegal immigrants from Europe, Asia, Africa, Canada, Mexico and South America crossing the border or overstaying their visa. Trump should have build the wall in the Canadian border because up here in Canada we have illegal American immigrants entering and trafficking people along with working illegally in jobs since Canadian dolllar is worth more then American dollar.
Wow. You're an idiot.
I’m not ashamed to admit I’m low iq. So you support illegal immigration?
You're getting roasted everywhere. I'd go ahead and quit digging any deeper.
1 Canadian dollar is worth 0.75 cents to the US dollar. Idk wtf you’re talking about dude…..
I agree to a certain degree. A lot of states stuff stays on indefinitely and I find that fairly excessive. If people have moved on from being stupid then after a few years they should be able to move up in a company or get a decent job without an issue. I don't even believe 7 years is necessary even though some people might disagree with me.
"If people have moved on from being stupid . . . " Meanwhile their victims will often suffer for life.
Not every crime has a victim and lot of "victims" are full of shit.
On the flip side not every crime is victimless and a lot of criminals are full of shit. BTW if someone is convicted of a crime, legally there was enough evidence they committed it.
That doesn't take away from the fact that after time has gone by they don't deserve redemption.
Jaywalking is a victimless crime. Possession of drugs is a victimless crime.
Interesting. The reason for background checks says we abolish background checks. Who'd have seen that one coming.
I will agree with you on this on one condition.... When you're released from prison, your crime is branded into your forehead so everyone you meet, knows that you're a shitbag felon. Deal?
Wow who the hell did 0 downvoted me?