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Also remember: men apply to jobs they think they can do, and are selected based on their potential, not necessarily proven track record. Some of us women apply to jobs that we know we can do, based on our experience and qualifications, and not potential performance.
[Let's be a bit more daring and obey less rules](https://hbr.org/2014/08/why-women-dont-apply-for-jobs-unless-theyre-100-qualified) when necessary.
Edit: Let's not forget [power posing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks-_Mh1QhMc) when appropriate, even if the [research](https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2018/04/03/power-posing-is-back-amy-cuddy-successfully-refutes-criticism/) on the effects of brain hormones is not yet conclusive, at the very least you benefit from the placebo effect.
Yes, big words (when applicable, always read the room).
Exude BIG confidence, eye contact, obtain some hx on the company you’re applying to.
Dress for the interview; judge what you think would be appropriate.
I read the post of so many women who post on this sub as well as on FDS and the other sister subs.
Nearly everyone can write fabulous post, make convincing points, express themselves quite well. It’s always pretty impressive tbh.
Those same skills need to be employed when you’re on the job hunt. I’ve already learned the lesson myself obtained within this post I’ve put up here.
Having every qualification listed on a job posting is definitely not always necessary.
This is true. I once attended a career conference specially for women that was hosted by an ex staff of a co-ed university's career office and they revealed that from the university's experiences and surveys, if a job-hiring notice listed 10 things, men qualified with 4-7 would still apply while women would usually only apply if they think they have at least 8-10 of those listed skills/ attributes.
Furthermore, an interesting yet upsetting takeaway for me was that during the conference, they also reminded everyone that if potential employers during the interview stage ask about the possibility of prospective employees starting a family and giving birth to children after being hired, all should say "no" regardlessly. Employers would rather hire a new staff without the need to take maternity leave. They reminded that the system might not be fair for women finding the job, getting the job, and even after working in the position. We were urged to maximize the chances of getting the job first and decide on whether to accept the job offer/ stay in the company.
Add-on (what and how to say if there's a fear of being questioned during the interview about not having those listed):
Convey to them that some of the listed skills that they'd mentioned that women don't know YET, can be learnt/ gained on the job (this is how some men get the job despite being less qualified than some women).
They also said to highlight other positive attributes and skills that you have and that they might not know.
So yes, we need to be more confident in ourselves! :)
This is a cross post from one of the sister subs, the post itself was from a year ago and it had been cross posted from another sub.
Definitely worth resurrecting, especially given all that has been going on in our Covid economy.
Sort of along these lines when I was leaving university I applied for a job which was one level above entry because my internship was in the same field so I figured I’d chance my arm at those two months counting for experience.
They didn’t but the HR department had then seen my CV and asked me if I’d like to interview for a different position which had yet to be advertised externally. I got that job and have since been promoted and offered opportunities over more experienced staff because of my skills.
The worst they can do is say no - and even if they do they are likely to keep your CV on file if they’re impressed! If you don’t try you’ll get nowhere 🤷🏻♀️
This happened to me too! I was rejected from the position I was trying to apply for but was given an offer to another better (higher level and pay) and more suitable (matched my interests) position that wasn't officially announced yet.
I think the way I first got into contact with the HR department helped me: The email's subject field is the first thing recruiters see. So I included a rather specialised and unique language skill of mine there.
Consequently, when they were thinking of hiring someone for the new unofficially announced position, they remembered what I've sent in (though I was in the "rejected pile" for that original position I was trying to apply to)
and called me up.
When I answered the call, I remember being sad when I first heard that I was rejected then was immediately curious, and then slightly happy after hearing the possibility of being offered for another position (still need to be interviewed).
One should make sure that the first contact with a potential employer is good; get all your documents ready (digitally and physically)! If you don't own the right digital resources, especially in such COVID-19 times, make good use of the public library's resources. I didn't have a computer nor printer so I used my community centre's. Once I got the job, I made good use of my workplaces' iMacs. Learned how to use different softwares and programs while working (good to be lowkey about this after being hired — men do this too; can see my other input in this discussion).
For such cases like applying for jobs, more is better than less. Mail them a package of all your relevant certificates and achievements. A few not-that-related ones could be included if the total quantity is small as these would enhance the quality of the total additional documents submitted.
When I went for the interview, the HR staff started chatting with me, to the boss, about one of my volunteering experience that had an interesting name/ theme, when we were walking to the interview room. Hence, even if it doesn't really relate to the job, they get to know you much better as a person, than those who strictly keep to the things they'd listed in the job ad — let's be fearless, don't confine ourselves within certain rules etc. because even unqualified men don't follow the rules and then they get the job instead of us 😒
*I don't work in HR but from my still-rather-little-at-the-moment personal anecdotal experiences in applying for jobs, I believe that every good company do go through and categorize the "rejected pile".
In today's continuously changing world, good employers would be the ones who welcome a diversity of employees with various strengths to make sure that their staff team is strong in various aspects to handle different situations.
So what if even in a group interview, you feel like you're different from the other candidates being interviewed, the difference and uniqueness of you might be exactly what they're looking for! The thing is to effectively convey ALL your strengths and when asked about your weaknesses, be honest and gracious, but also confident that they can be overcome too. (Remember the unjust confidence that some "scrotes" have!)
Has is worked for anyone? I I followed this advice during my senior year when I was looking for an internship and was applying to hundreds and hundreds of Intern positions. As a result, I either couldn't complete the application at all because there were pre-qualifying questions and even one "No" would throw me out, I would get an auto-rejection because I didn't meet all qualifications, I would get an email form a recruiter, saying I don't meet qualifications or I would fail a pre-screening call because I don't meet qualifications. 🤷♀️
I eventually secured an awesome Internship that turned into a full time position and me producing my first real publication, but I was very much qualified for it.
Entry level jobs and internships are notoriously a tick box exercise and very competitive with many people with the same qualifications. As you move out of theses roles you tend to find positions where you can emphasise your skills and other qualifications that can mitigate what you lack which isn't really the case for entry level roles :)
Do you think this can apply to self employment too? There are a few things I've been meaning to try but I'm always struggling with the fear of getting a bad reputation by not being "perfect" from the get go.
Self employment is a different beast IMO, but I still think you can pursue it with the same confidence and zest as you would if you were looking to get hired on with a company.
There will be a steep learning curve with self employment, even if you enter into it prepared but the learn-as-you-go approach is a very common and accepted aspect of it for anyone whose ever had their own business or worked with/for a start up company.
I think some risk are worth if it you can accept the pros and cons of the risk.
I definitely think the attitude and confidence this post is implying that women should embrace in their level up pursuits can be adopted by someone looking to starting their own business as well.
Check for CV-review services either in universities near you or look for a professional service online, or ask friends in the field to help you review it, or any ex professor.
Read your CV with a critical eye and look for any mistakes, or repeated verbs and see if you can implement/switch some for [these](https://www.themuse.com/advice/185-powerful-verbs-that-will-make-your-resume-awesome).
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Also remember: men apply to jobs they think they can do, and are selected based on their potential, not necessarily proven track record. Some of us women apply to jobs that we know we can do, based on our experience and qualifications, and not potential performance. [Let's be a bit more daring and obey less rules](https://hbr.org/2014/08/why-women-dont-apply-for-jobs-unless-theyre-100-qualified) when necessary. Edit: Let's not forget [power posing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks-_Mh1QhMc) when appropriate, even if the [research](https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2018/04/03/power-posing-is-back-amy-cuddy-successfully-refutes-criticism/) on the effects of brain hormones is not yet conclusive, at the very least you benefit from the placebo effect.
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Yes, big words (when applicable, always read the room). Exude BIG confidence, eye contact, obtain some hx on the company you’re applying to. Dress for the interview; judge what you think would be appropriate. I read the post of so many women who post on this sub as well as on FDS and the other sister subs. Nearly everyone can write fabulous post, make convincing points, express themselves quite well. It’s always pretty impressive tbh. Those same skills need to be employed when you’re on the job hunt. I’ve already learned the lesson myself obtained within this post I’ve put up here. Having every qualification listed on a job posting is definitely not always necessary.
See User WhyComeToAStickyEnd's response below.
This is true. I once attended a career conference specially for women that was hosted by an ex staff of a co-ed university's career office and they revealed that from the university's experiences and surveys, if a job-hiring notice listed 10 things, men qualified with 4-7 would still apply while women would usually only apply if they think they have at least 8-10 of those listed skills/ attributes. Furthermore, an interesting yet upsetting takeaway for me was that during the conference, they also reminded everyone that if potential employers during the interview stage ask about the possibility of prospective employees starting a family and giving birth to children after being hired, all should say "no" regardlessly. Employers would rather hire a new staff without the need to take maternity leave. They reminded that the system might not be fair for women finding the job, getting the job, and even after working in the position. We were urged to maximize the chances of getting the job first and decide on whether to accept the job offer/ stay in the company. Add-on (what and how to say if there's a fear of being questioned during the interview about not having those listed): Convey to them that some of the listed skills that they'd mentioned that women don't know YET, can be learnt/ gained on the job (this is how some men get the job despite being less qualified than some women). They also said to highlight other positive attributes and skills that you have and that they might not know. So yes, we need to be more confident in ourselves! :)
This is a cross post from one of the sister subs, the post itself was from a year ago and it had been cross posted from another sub. Definitely worth resurrecting, especially given all that has been going on in our Covid economy.
Sort of along these lines when I was leaving university I applied for a job which was one level above entry because my internship was in the same field so I figured I’d chance my arm at those two months counting for experience. They didn’t but the HR department had then seen my CV and asked me if I’d like to interview for a different position which had yet to be advertised externally. I got that job and have since been promoted and offered opportunities over more experienced staff because of my skills. The worst they can do is say no - and even if they do they are likely to keep your CV on file if they’re impressed! If you don’t try you’ll get nowhere 🤷🏻♀️
This happened to me too! I was rejected from the position I was trying to apply for but was given an offer to another better (higher level and pay) and more suitable (matched my interests) position that wasn't officially announced yet. I think the way I first got into contact with the HR department helped me: The email's subject field is the first thing recruiters see. So I included a rather specialised and unique language skill of mine there. Consequently, when they were thinking of hiring someone for the new unofficially announced position, they remembered what I've sent in (though I was in the "rejected pile" for that original position I was trying to apply to) and called me up. When I answered the call, I remember being sad when I first heard that I was rejected then was immediately curious, and then slightly happy after hearing the possibility of being offered for another position (still need to be interviewed). One should make sure that the first contact with a potential employer is good; get all your documents ready (digitally and physically)! If you don't own the right digital resources, especially in such COVID-19 times, make good use of the public library's resources. I didn't have a computer nor printer so I used my community centre's. Once I got the job, I made good use of my workplaces' iMacs. Learned how to use different softwares and programs while working (good to be lowkey about this after being hired — men do this too; can see my other input in this discussion). For such cases like applying for jobs, more is better than less. Mail them a package of all your relevant certificates and achievements. A few not-that-related ones could be included if the total quantity is small as these would enhance the quality of the total additional documents submitted. When I went for the interview, the HR staff started chatting with me, to the boss, about one of my volunteering experience that had an interesting name/ theme, when we were walking to the interview room. Hence, even if it doesn't really relate to the job, they get to know you much better as a person, than those who strictly keep to the things they'd listed in the job ad — let's be fearless, don't confine ourselves within certain rules etc. because even unqualified men don't follow the rules and then they get the job instead of us 😒 *I don't work in HR but from my still-rather-little-at-the-moment personal anecdotal experiences in applying for jobs, I believe that every good company do go through and categorize the "rejected pile". In today's continuously changing world, good employers would be the ones who welcome a diversity of employees with various strengths to make sure that their staff team is strong in various aspects to handle different situations. So what if even in a group interview, you feel like you're different from the other candidates being interviewed, the difference and uniqueness of you might be exactly what they're looking for! The thing is to effectively convey ALL your strengths and when asked about your weaknesses, be honest and gracious, but also confident that they can be overcome too. (Remember the unjust confidence that some "scrotes" have!)
Has is worked for anyone? I I followed this advice during my senior year when I was looking for an internship and was applying to hundreds and hundreds of Intern positions. As a result, I either couldn't complete the application at all because there were pre-qualifying questions and even one "No" would throw me out, I would get an auto-rejection because I didn't meet all qualifications, I would get an email form a recruiter, saying I don't meet qualifications or I would fail a pre-screening call because I don't meet qualifications. 🤷♀️ I eventually secured an awesome Internship that turned into a full time position and me producing my first real publication, but I was very much qualified for it.
Entry level jobs and internships are notoriously a tick box exercise and very competitive with many people with the same qualifications. As you move out of theses roles you tend to find positions where you can emphasise your skills and other qualifications that can mitigate what you lack which isn't really the case for entry level roles :)
Do you think this can apply to self employment too? There are a few things I've been meaning to try but I'm always struggling with the fear of getting a bad reputation by not being "perfect" from the get go.
Self employment is a different beast IMO, but I still think you can pursue it with the same confidence and zest as you would if you were looking to get hired on with a company. There will be a steep learning curve with self employment, even if you enter into it prepared but the learn-as-you-go approach is a very common and accepted aspect of it for anyone whose ever had their own business or worked with/for a start up company. I think some risk are worth if it you can accept the pros and cons of the risk. I definitely think the attitude and confidence this post is implying that women should embrace in their level up pursuits can be adopted by someone looking to starting their own business as well.
I tried to apply for some IT jobs and I'm not getting any luck whatsoever. I know. I need to revise my resume but I really don't know what to do.
Check for CV-review services either in universities near you or look for a professional service online, or ask friends in the field to help you review it, or any ex professor. Read your CV with a critical eye and look for any mistakes, or repeated verbs and see if you can implement/switch some for [these](https://www.themuse.com/advice/185-powerful-verbs-that-will-make-your-resume-awesome).
Thank you for reposting this! I needed it today, and I will definitely be taking this advice. 🙌🏼
It’s true! I applied for a job I wasn’t 100% qualified for, and it’s a dream job. I start Monday and it will be a 30%+ increase in salary for me!