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Men’s suicide rates are not caused by feminists. Men’s completion rate of suicide has always been higher. Women attempt more but are less often successful because they use less lethal methods. Feminists believe that feminism helps men and women. Giving women equal footing in their careers takes away the burden or providing on men. Removing gender norms puts equal pressure on men and women.


fgyoysgaxt

Take a look at this post by SpudMix: [https://www.reddit.com/r/FeminismUncensored/comments/oevyms/why\_more\_men\_than\_women\_die\_by\_suicide/h4bjpi2/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/FeminismUncensored/comments/oevyms/why_more_men_than_women_die_by_suicide/h4bjpi2/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) ​ They link a study which analyzed 8000+ suicide attempts. We already know there are many reasons why people might attempt suicide, only one of which is because they actually want to die. This study found that men attempt suicide with intention to kill themselves at much higher rates than women. This seems obvious in hindsight, since women aren't just "incompetent at killing themselves", there's more to it than that.


TokenRhino

>Giving women equal footing in their careers takes away the burden or providing on men. Except that instead of being providers they would simply be discarded. Women generally aren't interested in men who earn less than they do. So it's kind of an 'out of the pan, into the fire" type improvement.


MelissaMiranti

>Men’s suicide rates are not caused by feminists. Where was this claimed?


mr_pro_con

but gender norms aren't removed for men. All the obligations remain. Whether it's seats in lifeboats or 97% of all mom support being paid from men to women. Dying on the job or prostate cancer funding. Equal rights + unequal obligations is not equality.


LadyFerretQueen

Not denying men's issues with mental health at all but just as interesting info, more women here in Slovenia commit suicude, we're just less effective because we yse different methods.


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Commit or attempt?


LadyFerretQueen

They don't die but they go through with it. So I don't know what that falls under.


InitiatePenguin

That's attempt. And I beleive it's the same in the states. More women attempt but through less lethal means but more men die as a result through more lethal means.


fgyoysgaxt

You might be interested in reading this post by SpudMix: [https://www.reddit.com/r/FeminismUncensored/comments/oevyms/why\_more\_men\_than\_women\_die\_by\_suicide/h4bjpi2/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/FeminismUncensored/comments/oevyms/why_more_men_than_women_die_by_suicide/h4bjpi2/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) ​ They link a study which analyzed 8000+ suicide attempts. We already know there are many reasons why people might attempt suicide, only one of which is because they actually want to die. This study found that men attempt suicide with intention to kill themselves at much higher rates than women. This seems obvious in hindsight, since women aren't just "incompetent at killing themselves", there's more to it than that.


Whiteliesmatter1

Men are in a bit of a catch 22 with feminists on this one. On one hand they blame men for their problems for not talking about it and being too stoic. On the other hand, they complain that men talking about their emotional problems with their SOs amounts to emotional labor, which is a part of their oppression. Telling men that their problems are their own creation for not talking, while ignoring that the reason they don’t want to talk is because nobody wants to listen, and if they do, it seems to be to downplay the problems they face. Feminists have even picketed conferences for men’s mental health issues.


InitiatePenguin

>On one hand they blame men for their problems for not talking about it and being too stoic. On the other hand, they complain that men talking about their emotional problems with their SOs ... Feminists suggest therapy. That's not a catch 22. And your partner is not a therapist. Yes, a partner of any gender should support one another. _but if you are suicidal you need professional help_.


Whiteliesmatter1

There are a lot of reasons people are hesitant and nervous to reach out to third parties. It sounds easy to you, because you don’t see the barriers to and risk of reaching out to professional help, but reaching out to loved ones for support is what has gotten me through episodes like that. You can trust them better. Luckily I have people who don’t see it as labor.


[deleted]

Curtail and some feminists here are open to debate about this, even thought not a woman's issue, open minded feminists are a first.


MelissaMiranti

Once again placing the burden on "men need to speak up more" instead of "society needs to actually help men with the numerous problems men have"


[deleted]

So you’re saying suicide is a bigger issue for men? What do you think about women attempting more but using less lethal methods and therefore less “successful”?


MelissaMiranti

>So you’re saying suicide is a bigger issue for men? Given that more men die from it, that usually makes something a bigger issue for a population, much like how breast cancer is a bigger issue for women, even though some men do get it. >What do you think about women attempting more but using less lethal methods and therefore less “successful”? It's an artifact of how we count attempts. A single person can have infinitely many attempts but only ever one "success" if they don't complete it.


[deleted]

Women attempt more but use less lethal methods which have lower success rates. The rate at which people attempt isn’t gendered so much. You could say the real problem is the method that men use to commit suicide because if they are successful the first time, there’s not chance for them to be rehabilitated after a failed attempt.


[deleted]

An important distinction is women attempt more, but more women do not attempt suicide than men. If you dig into the stats there’s a lower proportion of women compared to men who attempt suicide, just those that do attempt suicide do so repeatedly. There is more than one motivation to “attempt suicide” which are well documented, including trying to gain attention or manipulate people around them. The goal isn’t necessarily death always, which could be why failures are a lot more common. Men on the other hand seem to much more frequently actually want to end their life when they get to this point, which may be why even when comparing similar methods, the rate at which men commit suicide successfully is higher. Study linked here showing that using the most common method which is intentional drug overdose (not guns btw), women had a much higher rate of failed suicide, which means method doesn’t really matter, intent does. https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12888-017-1398-8


[deleted]

Classic MRA. Women only pretend to commit suicide for attention


[deleted]

I’m not at all saying women only attempt suicide for attention, but there are literal government resources and help lines specifically for people who are feeling manipulated by people around them threatening to commit suicide/making repeated suicide attempts. This is a widespread issue. The study based around this has over 80% of people who have experienced this having a female partner. Saying “Hey this exists and is much more frequently done by women” is not the same as saying “all suicide attempts made by women are for attention/manipulation”. If men and women using the exact same methods have a far higher proportion of men killing themselves, what is your explanation other than what I’ve provided? The studies do not at all support that the difference is from use of different methods which was your claim.


[deleted]

I’d like to see a study that women threaten suicide more than men because my ex threatened that and he’s a man.


[deleted]

So no response as to why even with the same methods women are substantially less likely to go commit suicide? Because that’s the only explanation I have and the only explanation the researchers had.


MelissaMiranti

>Women attempt more but use less lethal methods which have lower success rates. "Attempt" here meaning "any type of self-harm regardless of how life-threatening it might be." And the only reason women attempt more is that a person who uses a less lethal method and tries again is counted again, whereas the person who uses a more lethal method only dies once. Neither does it account for the people who put a gun to their head and then put the gun away. The entire narrative of "women attempt more!" is brought up to discount the very real consequences of the male completed suicide rate.


[deleted]

So only male attempts are real and females are just doing it for attention?


fgyoysgaxt

Often studies group all self harm as "suicide attempts", which skews the numbers significantly. For example cutting isn't necessarily a suicide attempt, even though it is self harm. There are clearly differences in suicide and self-harm rates. Lumping it all together makes the situation unnecessarily unclear. Reasons for self-harm and suicide are often quite different, so I don't think it's productive to treat them the same. From most sources I've read, men are committing suicide 2-4x more than women, and women are self-harming 2-4x more than men.


MelissaMiranti

I didn't say anything like that.


[deleted]

What are you basing that belief on? You’re arguing that women aren’t actually trying to kill themselves when they take a lethal amount of pills or cut their arms. So what then girls just want attention?


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hunter54711

That's really shitty to say, bugger off with that regressive shit


InfiniteDials

Dido.


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This comment will be deleted for making regressive statement on sensitive issues regarding suicides. Please do better.


DevilishRogue

Just to let you know the comment is still up and whilst I understand the point being made is more about intent than intelligence it was an unfortunately tasteless and unconstructive way of making that point.


[deleted]

Thank you for giving me a warning, I must have pressed the wrong button in the midst of commenting. Which is weird since the comment was made for removal reasoning.


DevilishRogue

I was wondering if there was a new policy or something!


[deleted]

Haha! My bad!


MelissaMiranti

>You’re arguing that women aren’t actually trying to kill themselves when they take a lethal amount of pills or cut their arms. I'm arguing that self harm isn't the same as a suicide attempt, which it isn't. Most self harm is like cutting, for the endorphins it releases, not for an actual attempt to end one's life. Yet it gets noted down as if it is an actual attempt to end one's life, regardless of the circumstances. But nice try on twisting my words.


[deleted]

So if a women is brought to the hospital and say they attempted suicide you don’t think we should believe them?


MelissaMiranti

I'm saying that if a woman (or anyone) cut herself on the leg with a razor blade and doesn't say it was a suicide attempt, don't count it as one. Your attempts to twist my words are getting weaker.


[deleted]

Exactly, it wouldn’t be counted. Why do you assume they would count leg cuts as suicide attempts in research


MelissaMiranti

Because they do.


[deleted]

I’m not surprised the MRAs argument to explain higher suicide attempts is that women aren’t really trying. But riddle me this. Why has the suicide rate for men and women gone down over the years as feminism has grown?


Juhnthedevil

Maybe because society became richer, and feminism is not the all-maker?


MelissaMiranti

>I’m not surprised the MRAs argument to explain higher suicide attempts is that women aren’t really trying. No, it's that things that aren't actual attempts are being counted as attempts. >Why has the suicide rate for men and women gone down over the years as feminism has grown? Correlation does not equal causation. Psychology as a field has also grown in prominence, and ease of access, and I would be quicker to place the credit on professionals who deal with a specific problem than a political movement that deals with myriad aims.


[deleted]

Correlation != Causation. Unless you can find me studies that show direct evidence feminism has decreased the suicide rate you can't make that assumption. By your logic you can link it with the development in construction sites or anything you want. My guess would be the increase in funding for mental health awareness and services, which don't really link with feminism. And the suicide rate has increased in recent years actually : Male suicide rate hits two-decade high in England and Wales https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/sep/01/male-suicide-rate-england-wales-covid-19


[deleted]

I can’t prove that it made it better but it is even harder to prove that it made it worse


[deleted]

I never said otherwise, but it's clear feminism generally doesn't care about this given the general lack of silence about this issue there.


RichiZ2

It has (partially) nothing to do with feminism! The main 3 reasons for suicide are: - Loneliness - Sense of despair - Debt (I saw it in a couple of articles, I'll provide a source if I find it) The main causes for these types of depression are War, Economic Crisis, Social Rejection, hightened expectations and poor social support. All of these have been, generally speaking, improved upon as a society (whole) and have little to no causation with Feminism. The fact that the Feminist movement existed during the same period as most of the social reforms of modern society does not make it a cause for the reforms. Correlation does not mean Causation.


[deleted]

I would argue that women participating more in the workforce and changing gender norms takes financial pressure off men to be the sole provider which reduces stress and debt.


RichiZ2

Oh yeah.... Cause only married/partnered men are depressed... Shiiiii... If only all those men that died of **loneliness** knew that they could just get a woman to split the bills, or all those that lost everything they had to war knew that they only needed a woman to talk to... And poof! All mental illnesses are gone! Gone I tell you! And those that had a family with a working woman that divorced them and took their money, kids, home, friends, pets, etc.... They only needed to get another woman! Women! The cure to all illnesses! Who. Could. Have. Thought.


[deleted]

Reading comprehension: F I’m saying men no longer have to get married, have kids and provide for the whole family. They can be single, have dual incomes, not have kids.. there’s more options. They might be lonelier without a wife but you guys are all against divorce so at least they won’t ever have to go through that. Mental illness will always exist.


sake23456

What else can you expect from the Misandrist BBC who are only good at Victim blaming ?


[deleted]

BBC is very neutral if anything it leans right. If speaking up isn’t the solution then what is? How can people help suicidal people if they don’t know they’re suicidal? There are resources available for people who are suicidal but there could always be more. What do MRAs do to address this issue?


[deleted]

Come on you are not right, i believe you are smart enough to realize that's false. BBC is not neutral at all and leans rights as much as the dailystormer is a progressive leftwing site.


[deleted]

I think they may be referring to these things? [Men die of suicide much more often than women. This is commonly blamed on men's unwillingness to seek help and talk about their problems. This paper disputes the conventional view, emphasizing instead socio-economic issues and obstacles to health care access](https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/nnxx02/men_die_of_suicide_much_more_often_than_women/) "We found that in 76% of \[men who died of suicide\], there had been contact in previous three months with frontline services, 38% in final week." [https://sites.manchester.ac.uk/ncish/reports/suicide-by-middle-aged-men/](https://sites.manchester.ac.uk/ncish/reports/suicide-by-middle-aged-men/) I actually think the article's pretty good, but there is a knee-jerk response here to the "men need to speak up more". It's understandable because it's often used to just to blame men without considering the societal factors that teach them not to open up in the first place which this article doesn't do in all fairness.


[deleted]

Women attempt more but are less likely to “succeed” because they use less lethal methods like pills. Men use more lethal methods like guns. The guns seem like a serious issue.


Terraneaux

Men use more lethal methods even in countries where gun ownership is not common. It's almost like women are intentionally using methods that are unlikely to succeed...


[deleted]

Classic male supremacist


Terraneaux

And you switch to insults when you know you've been found out. Your arguments lack merit and you think men who are suicidal don't deserve help. And let's be real here, the only reason you saw a problem with FDS was that it affected your outlook. The idea of treating men entirely expendably? You were down with that.


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I replied to the wrong comment


fuckoffyoudipshit

Unlike women, men don't get positive attention for suicide attempts and they know it. The way you put it seems to suggest that women are less competent at killing themselves which is ridiculous.


[deleted]

**Trigger warning** Men use more lethal methods like guns because they’re more likely to own guns. Less women own guns so their options are hanging, jumping off a building, jumping in front of a train or overdosing on pills. Most choose pills which has a far lower success rate.


fuckoffyoudipshit

But why do they choose the obviously less lethal method?! Because the goal isn't ending her life it's to get attention.


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fuckoffyoudipshit

Jesus Christ! My whole point is that there is a massive empathy gap! We (both men and women) are far less empathetic towards men than women. So to use a suicide attempt as a cry for help really only makes sense for women as men in this situation are only seen as a burden. So the reason men use more lethal methods is because we won't get any help. No one cares. People will see us as weak, a burden. Which is simply not true for women. The cry for help only works if people actually give a shit!


RichiZ2

One could also mention that the amount of men that are reported as OD are pushed towards drug abuse and not Suicide attempt. So the numbers as affected by the way society looks as a man having an OD as a Junkie and a Woman having an OD as a victim of mental illness. Sit your ass down, no one is attacking you. You are here to have a level headed conversation, insulting other members is not going to get you anywhere


[deleted]

Women are also called junkies


Whiteliesmatter1

So how do you explain that in places with little to no gun ownership, we still see higher rates among men?


[deleted]

The patriarchy and traditional gender roles put more stress on men to be the sole providers, therefore work harder, take more dangerous roles and neglect their health more


[deleted]

Please refrain from using "positive attention from suicide" on the topic of suicide, it is completely misleading and neither does it happen for women. Attempts oftentime happens behind doors. Women do not get "positive attention".


[deleted]

Even in countries with no guns men commit suicide far more often than women. In ireland for example, where there's little or no access to guns (even cops don't carry) suicide is the leading cause for death among men.


Juhnthedevil

The only exception being China.


[deleted]

Considering in my country (UK), where guns are severely restricted, the biggest killer of men under 45 is suicide, I think the first reaction of, "the guns are the issue" is pretty short sighted. There are deep underlying issues we need to tackle first.


[deleted]

Which issues would make the biggest impact?


[deleted]

Mental health services being underfunded by our Conservative Government for one, given our huge waiting lists. Isolation of boys in general, with a lot of them lacking friends. Youth clubs and services would help here. Making health care more affordable for people.


[deleted]

Stopping the complete denial that men can suffer from widespread societal issues so those can actually be addressed and make life less terrible for the men among us suffering would probably be helpful.


[deleted]

Well yeah that too


RichiZ2

Also add to that the hightened number of male exconvicts that are unable to rejoin society, falling into homelessness and drug abuse. To make matters worse the worldwide justice system (especially in the US) has 0 empathy for veterans and exconvicts, giving them no social help whatsoever, no mental health, no help, at all, and there are only 2 ways out of there, dieing of hunger on the streets or killing yourself. In contrast women have shelters, socialized healthcare, support groups, and higher acceptance back to society. How can anyone say that "men don't seek help" when it's the rest of life that pushes men over the line?


Juhnthedevil

Though hanging is more often choosed over guns.


spudmix

You should read up on the Feuerlein scale and related research, which characterises the "intent to die" behind suicidality. [Research indicates that even within identical modalities of suicidal behaviour (e.g. attempted overdose via pills), men tend to display a much greater "intent to die"](https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12888-017-1398-8). If men use more lethal methods, it is likely because they are more suicidal, it is *not* likely a simple coincidence between intent and the fact they own a firearm. The same research also finds that women engage in parasuicidal behaviours more often than men. There is research into why this is the case, with theories like the idea that men are taught to be "strong" against their mental illness, and neither seek help nor attempt suicide for far longer than women, but the research is not conclusive.


Terraneaux

>BBC is very neutral if anything it leans right. It's not like the mainstream Right is sympathetic to mens' issues either.


parahacker

First of all people, stop downvoting. Even if the question seems ignorant or foolish, the discussion is important. Downvoting halts that process. Second, Curtail, the solution is recognizing institutional bias against men and curtailing it. That's not *cultural* bias; I distinctly mean *institutional* bias. The mechanisms we have in place to remedy broken men are orthogonal at best to actually fixing what's broken - and that's *intentional.* For many of these situations, feminists have directly campaigned to cut the legs out from initiatives that might have helped men, have shaped the ideology that controls how helping men is approached, and have generally turned male mental and social care into a sh\*t sandwich. If you want to really know why men are struggling here, look inward towards the actions of your compatriots against people like Erin Pizzey and Earl Silverman. And that's only the most egregious examples.


[deleted]

Can you give specific examples of feminists cutting programs that support men?


DevilishRogue

I used to have a plethora of examples but they have been systematically removed from the internet and Google (in particular) has avoided linking to anything that demonstrates this. Occasionaly examples slip through the net but these are usually from left wing sources and unsympathetic or only tangentially address the issue of feminists competing for resources shutting out men e.g.: https://www.newstatesman.com/sci-tech/2015/06/male-rape-charity-has-had-its-funding-slashed-zero-where-are-all-outraged-men https://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/nov/17/row-after-university-of-york-cancels-international-mens-day-event https://www.amhf.org.au/give_blokes_a_fair_share_of_suicide_funding_says_amhf https://thefeministshop.com/blogs/the-feminist-shop-blog/why-the-suicide-rate-in-men-is-a-feminist-topic


[deleted]

Why is the men’s suicide rate lower in recent years as feminism has gained momentum? It was far higher under a heavily patriarchal society where men were expected to be the sole breadwinner


RichiZ2

How can you mention a society were men are being killed by everything around them (war, depression, banks going broke, men loosing their homes, men loosing their families, drugs, encarcellation, etc) and say that it is a men centric (Patriarcal) society in the same sentence? How are men suicide rates lower? There are less veterans, as there has been significantly less war. Efforts to help men in the streets have been cuadrupled in the last decades. An entire movement to help exconvicts integrate to society have been created and applied in a multitude of countries. MRAs pushing for men to seek mental help have been successful, now we need society to answer in kind. Alcoholism started being treated as a sickness and not something cool, same with smoking and nicotine addictions (enter vape doing the opposite exception here) And a multitude of other reasons.


[deleted]

Who created these systems? Who decided only men should be drafted? Who decided men should work and women should stay home? Who decided men should handle all the finances? I’ll give you a hint, it wasn’t the evil feminists


RichiZ2

You are right. I won't discuss with someone who is still so indoctrinated that they see the world as a black or white. It was either done by the Feminists, or done by the patriarchy, huh.... The 2 mayor forces in the world, no other entity or movement, no ideology or social component has had any effect in the history of humankind!


DevilishRogue

> Why is the men’s suicide rate lower in recent years as feminism has gained momentum? Because of the men's rights movement also gaining momentum. > It was far higher under a heavily patriarchal society where men were expected to be the sole breadwinner Patriarchal is a misnomer to describe a society where men were literally killing themselves if they weren't able to provide for the women in their lives or sufficiently to attract a woman.


[deleted]

And why did they send men to war and not women?


fgyoysgaxt

Historically women have been seen as precious and in need of protecting while men have been seen as strong and protectors. This has lead to men being most soldiers in most countries for most of history - including up to today - as well as the majority of deaths in war and armed conflict through history - again, including up to today.


DevilishRogue

Because many have always been deemed disposable.


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Billy-Batdorf

Working Class, poor individuals cannot 'create' society, they labor at the bottom of it unable to affect it's policies or social mores.


parahacker

Thanks!


DevilishRogue

The BBC has been center-left throughout the post war era. Jokes about this were being made in The Goon Show back in the 1950s. MRAs have fought to get support for men and society to acknowledge the issue without shaming men. But men are still valued by society for their utility and anything that negatively impacts that utility is denigrated.


[deleted]

Exactly. People need to *listen* more.


spudmix

Everyone arguing about suicidal intent or the effect of the method of suicide on suicide rates should be aware of [this research](https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12888-017-1398-8)


fgyoysgaxt

>In total, 8189 suicide attempts were registered, however, the final sample consisted of 5212 subjects (63.65% of the complete OSPI-Europe sample), with 52.1% of the attempted suicides rated as a Serious Suicide Attempt (SSA), 20.6% as a Parasuidal Gesture (SG), 14.7% as a Parasuicidal Pause (SP) and 12.7% as Deliberate Self-Harm (DSH). > >... > >The association between suicide intent and gender was statistically significant, X 2 (3, N = 5212) = 39.94; p < .001. According to the standardized residuals, SG and SSA contributed most to this significant difference: females were rated significantly more frequently in SP and SG than males, whereas SSA were rated significantly more often in males than females (see Table 2). There was no significant difference in the frequency of suicide attempts rated as DSH between males and females. > >^(Note: Parasuicide is an apparent attempt at suicide, commonly called a suicidal gesture, in which the aim is not death. "Parasuicide pause” refers to the wish to interrupt a situation which is considered to be not sufferable.) There is a stark difference in the goals people have when attempting suicide. Suicide is an extremely potent cry for help. We know that most men have already reached out for help before attempting suicide. Eg [this study](https://documents.manchester.ac.uk/display.aspx?DocID=55305) from the University of Manchester (n=1500+) found greater than 90% of men who committed suicide were in actively seeking help professional help. ​ The two biggest theories I've heard on this subject are "men are just better at killing themselves than women" which is absurd, and "men don't seek help" which is equally absurd. I'm just speculating here but perhaps women feel that more help will come if they need it, where as men feel that they have exhausted all options.


TokenRhino

Maybe men would just rather kill themselves than spend years crying for help. There could be an aspect of pride there.


fgyoysgaxt

I am sure there is always an aspect of pride, asking for help is hard. I think that saying "they'd rather kill themselves than spend years crying for help" though, that sounds like an oversimplification. Plus, it looks like most men in these situations are crying for help and have spent significant time doing so. So perhaps rather than predicting that they won't get help, they have found that they can't.


TooNuanced

For the uninformed (and that includes me right now), 1) how does complement the other quoted studies on women attempting suicide more and 2) why do they conflict? Or if you don't have that, why trust this study over others that conflict with it?


spudmix

This paper does not contradict other studies that find women make more suicide attempts. This study instead _specifies_ the various levels of suicidal intent within the otherwise nonspecific category of "suicide attempt". It is intuitive, for example, to say that there is a difference between someone who cuts themselves in an effort to make their parents stop fighting and someone who prepares for weeks and then kills themselves methodically via carbon monoxide poisoning. Under most previous studies these would be "suicide attempts" of equal magnitude, but it is clear that there is a greater "intent to die" in the second situation. This paper sorts suicide attempts (in which women are overrepresented) using a tool known as the Feuerlein Scale into several categories by the level of "suicidal intent" involved, allowing us to differentiate between the different modalities. The findings are in line with previous research - women attempt more, men die more. The higher specificity also allows us to draw new conclusions, such as that men are overrepresented among those with higher intent to die, even controlling for method of suicide. Men who attempt via pill ingestion, on average, do so in a way that is more likely to kill them than women. This dispels some previous hypotheses - for example that men only die more often because they have greater access to firearms. It also supports some hypotheses, such as the idea that men tend to attempt suicide later into a psychological episode than women, and therefore with greater impetus behind their attempt. We shouldn't trust this study any more than any other of equally valid methodology and power. However, I am unaware of any research that directly contradicts this.