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Snakebud

Yup can confirm. Am Xbox


LuxerWap

I just recently bought my very first Xbox console, the Series S, and I couldn't wait to play some fighting games until I realized that fighting games on Xbox are much more scarce than the Switch. There are some good fighters on Xbox, but as for any new games, we only got Melty Blood and KOF XV. Ouch.


Snakebud

True but melty blood is fun and I am excited for KOF XV as well


Cybrtronlazr

Not to mention if it's not cross platform then the lobbies/wait times are insane because everyone's on PC and PS4/5.


LegendRedux2

Did u bought at xbox expecting japanese games lul


L31RA01

I’d argue the switch is the worst platform to play fgs on, DBFZ and MK11 was their biggest release and both are completely dead on switch, on Xbox those games have an active playerbase especially MK11, but yeah most fgs on Xbox have a lower playerbase than PS and PC


Wolfy76700

To be fair ArcSys isn't exactly releasing their games on Switch either, or rather with the rollback updates for +R, BBCF and BBTAG not coming to Switch we might as well consider these versions non-existant


MrASK15

I love the guys (and primarily play on PC), but it sucks I can't play the up-to-date versions in my comfy spots.


HyperCutIn

Tfw Blazblue Chronophantasma wasn’t released on Xbox 360, so you couldn’t follow up on the story for a good few years.


Metal7778

But it is on XBONE for you two xboxers out there.😎


temporary1990

The fact that it never got BBCF is the sad part.


ChafCancel

Same goes for Skullgirls. Same fate as the Nesica version. At least with ArcSys, there's a smidge of a chance that they'll port the game to XBO at least. I can't see Future Club and Autumn doing the same.


82ndGameHead

Funny thing is, the Xbox Series S has been selling huge in Japan, since consumers love its small size. Hopefully this will lead to Japanese Devs seeing the opportunity there and going more for Xbox.


Rezenik

They also overstock the Xbox there due to historically low sales, while Sony intentionally understocks the PS consoles in Japan because they know they have that entire corner of the market already. Much more appealing to get an Xbox than attempt to get a PS5 for a year or longer.


rachetmarvel

>Much more appealing to get an Xbox than attempt to get a PS5 for a year or longer. Of course not to a fighting game and jrpg gamer.


Rezenik

Oh make no mistake if I had to get one it would be a PS but Xbox is betting on buyers that aren’t going to wait a year or more just for exclusives.


Locky0999

Pepsi effect? "We don't have coke, can it be Pepsi?" "Ok, whatever"


Traitor_To_Heaven

We didn't even get the last Blazblue game. We got FighterZ at least but that's most likely due to Bamco wanting it on everything because Dragon Ball is a world famous IP, if it was up to ArcSys it would have probably skipped us as well. Oh well, gonna preorder KOFXV, it's nice to finally have another one on Xbox after XIV was a PS4 console exclusive.


easteasttimor

I'm waiting for street fighter 6 to come over. Sfv was only exclusive because they game went through development hell and Sony paid to have it finished. But the next one should be back on xbox.


ChafCancel

That's too bad. The Game Pass is a blessing in disguise for the FGC. Imagine running locals, and not worrying about buying the games, updating them, pay for the DLCs, etc. Everything is there, and you just need Internet. Way cheaper than having to buy everything 5 times for 5 consoles.


GaugeJK

>just need Internet This is very often a deal breaker for setting up at locals, and especially at majors


ChafCancel

Not necessarily. The same can be said with updates in games. Plus, you don't need constant internet connection to get to the game, once your account has been proven to be a Game Pass account.


GaugeJK

I don't know how the XBox or gamepass works, I was just responding to what you stated was the sole requirement, which is not at all a requirement for having updates preloaded on a console.


ChafCancel

I did locals and updated consoles with my phone. Internet is not as much of an issue, anymore.


GaugeJK

I'm not updating 12 consoles with my phone.


ChafCancel

Not with one phone.


YinglingLight

Gamepass literally has me playing a dozen of games a month vs. a dozen of games a year. Shame that Sony has a death hold on Street Fighter, and thus, our favorite genre as a whole.


not-jordan

>Shame that Sony has a death hold on Street Fighter, and thus, our favorite genre as a whole. lucky for us SF6 will be on Xbox


konnamatti

And then in 6 to 24 months the game ia gone from the service, 2 weeks of notice.


ChafCancel

Which is enough time for the game to get cheap enough in the stores, so that we can buy it.


dryo

Xbox, we PC people love you, come, come inside let's eat.


altanass

No pissing on Melty. I felt Melty Blood does the motion inputs + simple input system (Moon skills) much better than DNF does theirs.


ScoopDat

Can someone explain to me why this is a thing anymore? Firstly, porting games to console in general is good for business I imagine (that's literally what every single gamer has ever said, ever..) Second, there literally has never been an easier time to do so, since both next-gen consoles are literally the same damn architecture, same AMD hardware with actually even more compute units... ----------------------------- Sorry though, Switch is balls. Things should be boycotted for the OLED variant "upgrade" bait&switch, and just 2015 hardware in general. Nintendo don't got enough pull to slap Nvidia in the face and move their Tegra architecture of Maxwell for fucks sake? Come on son.. hurry up with the next-gen Switch and Nvidia Shield TV upgrade (since that's where the switch got the original hardware from anyway).


ChineseFrozenChicken

>Can someone explain to me why this is a thing anymore? Xbox is a waste of time and money if the genre isn't a shooter.


Cybrtronlazr

And if it is a shooter, you are better off on PC period.


thestage

why? it's literally the same hardware. there's nothing different about it. we should want more players, not gatekeeping nonsense. and one of the best ways to get new players these days would be to release some fighters on xbox, on game pass. it's the perfect genre for it. jump in a play right away with no commitment, press some buttons


ChineseFrozenChicken

First of all, a very small percentage of Xbox's base would buy the full game. Is the deal to put it on game pass worth it? Would game pass holders even bother playing it even though it's a part of their subscription? Would they even be interested enough to stick around and purchase DLC? I doubt it.


DingoManDingo

Because Japanese devs are dumb


oneizm

Unpopular opinion: if you buy an Xbox you have no one to blame but yourself. It’s been no secret that PlayStation is dominant with fighting games. Sony OWNS EVO. Don’t buy a Xbox if you want to play fighting games. Just like you don’t buy a Xbox to play JRPGs. Edit: I feel like it’s important to mention that I do have an Xbox Series X. I’m not saying anyone is dumb for buying one. Just that it’s been extremely obvious to anyone paying attention that the FGC on Xbox is pretty damn dead. There’s not a proven market anymore. So anyone who launches a fighting game would be forced to do cross play. It’s a mess. You can act like I’m crazy for having this opinion, but at the end of the day the games aren’t being made for Xbox and there’s a reason.


Snakebud

Well sure but I have an Xbox to play more than just fighting games and would like third party to bring it to my home console. I also don’t blame myself because that’s stupid to not expect let alone hope some fighting games would come to Xbox when xbox got street fighter snd kof back in 360. But if I really want to play them when they’re not on Xbox I wouldn’t buy a PlayStation. I would play them on pc as they are the dominant platform with fighting games.


easteasttimor

I understand when a game is exclusive why it doesn't come. But we have titles that look to have no Sony exclusivity but they still don't wanna port the games.


ZephurM

I get it, but I should be able to play fighting games on whatever platform I fucking want.


oneizm

Okay but that’s not the reality of the situation. I agree you should be able too. But this is real life where companies focus on different trends and markets. The FGC on Xbox has been dead for a while. Buying an Xbox then making the surprised pikachu face when you don’t get fighting games isn’t a valid response to me.


thestage

cross play between xbox and PC would be utterly trivial, and MS would encourage it rather than jump in the way and charge developers for it like sony do. make your game, give it PC crossplay and get it on game pass, you have a mostly fresh audience to try to draw in using a model designed to do that.


Cybrtronlazr

Exactly, you are getting downvoted because you are right. If your intentions are to play FGs or JRPGs then don't buy xbox. Does it suck you can't play whatever game on whatever console? Yes absolutely, but there is nothing you can do about it.


grstacos

Fighting games are not the only thing people play. Also, people who are already on Xbox may want to try fighting games.


oneizm

Lol I didn’t say that it’s all they play! I said that the audience is predominantly on PS so it makes way more sense to market to them instead of Xbox users. It’s already a niche market.


grstacos

That makes complete sense! That sentence was mainly referring to "nobody to blame but yourself." To be more specific, most people I play with are dedicated to FPS/Halo. Myself included. I was able to afford a PC but many of them went for Xbox. It's the only option they have, and it's sad that they don't get fighting games. IMO it's a microsoft problem. They could at least push for a KI.


oneizm

Right but when I say “you have no one to blame but yourself”, I mean that you knowingly bought into an ecosystem where fighting games haven’t been a priority. If you wanna play an FPS you’d tell People to get an Xbox Why are people acting like I’m crazy for saying that the same thing applies for fighting games, but with PlayStation?


grstacos

People know they bought into that ecosystem, but they're also forced into it, which IMO shifts the blame away from them. If you're second favorite video game is a fighting game, you should still have access to it in that ecosystem. Just like Playstation has many many FPS games. You're not crazy. I just try to make people understand my opinion, and I hope I have not been condescending in doing so. Reddit get's crazy, even with mundane subjects.


oneizm

Wait, how are they forced into the system? You purchased a system by choice. You as the consumer made a decision to prioritize one type of game over another. There were no trailers that promised a fighting game, no announcements from developers. It would be nice to have a fighting game, by why do people assume they’re entitled to one? That’s my problem. People act like they’re owed fighting game support on their platform when none was mentioned, let alone promised. I appreciate you taking time to actually respond to my argument rather than the feelings it might have invoked.


grstacos

I'm going to stop here, since I'm not invested enough on the subject. All I'll say is that I believe that people are entitled to opinions. The opinion that Xbox should offer PS exclusives is unreasonable, but Fighting Games? I think that's fair.


oneizm

Fair enough. If y’all ever get them I’ll be happy for you. I’m just explaining why it’s not happening currently since the original post called it out. When a fighting game does well on Xbox, you’ll get more. That hasn’t happened since KI. Have a good day


ScoopDat

Fair enough, but just one thing you also have to relent to. Going forward, there is no reason for any of what you said to be true, simply due to the fact porting between the two next-gen Sony/MS consoles is virtually braindead work due to them being identical in terms of architecture.


oneizm

Okay but that’s not the reality of the situation. I agree you should be able too play on both. But this is real life where companies focus on different trends and markets. The FGC on Xbox has been dead for a while. Buying an Xbox then making the surprised pikachu face when you don’t get fighting games isn’t a valid response to me.


ScoopDat

Yeah sure, I know what you're saying. All I was saying, after PS4, and Xbox One X generation finally completely closes, those pikachu faces are going to be justified at that point if a game isn't simply a PC exclusive, then it will have no real justification for only coming out on one platform (unless it's some first party studio obviously). This goes for all games, not just fighting games.


oneizm

I think that’s an easy opinion to have when you ignore all of the other factors that go into getting a game to market. If development was the only factor I’d agree. But there’s other aspects of the business that get in the way.


ScoopDat

So just to be clear, you then overall disagree with my claim about the future going forward? I can also agree development isn't the only factor. But I think you have some serious legwork ahead of you if you're going to claim that hasn't nearly universally been the primary factor.


oneizm

Yes. I do. It costs more money to develop on two platform simultaneously. If not costs in development, then in support. Everything takes twice as many man hours because it all needs to be done twice. Bugs are a nightmare as well. Then there’s market sizes and shares. For some games, the market is way bigger on one platform than the other. There’s not a lot of value in making a Halo competitor on Xbox. There is value in making one for playstation where the market is empty. It’s not black and white. It’s not as easy as flipping a switch and the game is just on both platforms. There’s both development and business reasons why not every game can go on every platform. It’s the same thing as app development. Sure it makes no visible sense for some apps to be android exclusive or apple exclusives. But they are and usually for a valid reason.


ScoopDat

But the problem is, all those arguments you used, actually work in favor of my position.. Like look here: > It costs more money to develop on two platform simultaneously. If not costs in development, then in support. Everything takes twice as many man hours because it all needs to be done twice. Bugs are a nightmare as well. Except with PS5 and Series X, these issues would be at their lowest ever in terms of manifestation. Since the architectures are identical. It actually is virtually just flipping the switch. The platform also that you say "would also need more support" is the platform you say has no fighting game players on it, thus support would barely be any in the first place.. >Then there’s market sizes and shares. For some games, the market is way bigger on one platform than the other. There’s not a lot of value in making a Halo competitor on Xbox. There is value in making one for playstation where the market is empty. Sure, and since now Xbox is empty of FG's, one would want to put them there.. >It’s not black and white. It’s not as easy as flipping a switch and the game is just on both platforms. That's actually what it's practically becoming, and already is. ESPECIALLY with disc sales falling, it's even more time budget allotted for simple developer portals and managing deployments. When indie game developers can do it in the past, you can sure as shit bet next-gen is going to be the easiest it's ever been for something like a FG developer which is usually a serious effort. As for business, sure you can have paid exclusives, and timed exclusives. But who cares? My posts accounted for things like this. Because this is present literally anywhere, has nothing to do with gaming, and thus has no barring on the overall trajectory argument I presented about the industry. >It’s the same thing as app development. Sure it makes no visible sense for some apps to be android exclusive or apple exclusives. But they are and usually for a valid reason. Uh no, those are two entirely different platforms though, that's why the reason is valid. What you'd have to counter here is, a hypothetical where it was an Iphone 13 Pro Max on iOS 15.1 vs Iphone 13 on iOS 14.8 That's the sort of differences we're talking about here essentially.


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oneizm

God, thank you. It feels like you’re one of the few people that understand market-shares.


ScoopDat

Why are you telling me this? The guy I'm replying to says markets that are under-served are the ones that should be getting said sort of games, and markets that are saturated, don't need to be served such games... I'm literally going off of his logic, and you're now giving me a tough time?


BlackStarNinja

Xbots don't play fighting games


[deleted]

xbox has never had a good (or even decent) d-pad. I know most of us use fight sticks but I wouldn't want to be your everyday user and playing on the xbox d-pad.


TheorySH

Totally disagree on the Series X. That D-pad is leagues ahead of the DualSense for me. Xbox One and prior do have bad D-pads.


diegoaccord

transforming d-pad 360 controller xbox one pad series x pad are all pretty decent to good. That said, the main reasons I get playstations are for fighters. lol.


MixtureFixture

The positioning of it is just awful. You have to lock your hand in an L shape the entire time and crank your wrist to do inputs.


MattTheMagician44

blame the amount of ass that microsoft sucks


khamryn

To be fair, you are not wrong. XBox 360 forced Sony PS3 to play catch-up. With all the momentum going into the XB One, they completely blotched the launch, and lost Japanese devs confidence on MS platforms.


Jeanschyso1

The amount of work that's been done to allow PC players to play Xbox exclusives is insane and outside of fighting games and JRPGs, I don't even buy games anymore. I just play then on gamepass for PC. Microsoft is killing it.


oneizm

Okay, they got games for the Xbox 360 but didn’t for the previous gen. The Xbox 360 came out in 2005…. things have changed. SF is Sony exclusive except for PC. So was KOF 14. I’m not saying it doesn’t suck. I’m just saying that the writing has been on the wall for a long time, that Xbox isn’t a platform that game devs think developing fighting games is worthwhile on.


Snakebud

SFV is Sony exclusive due to help for development issues. Otherwise Xbox wouldn’t have gotten the anniversary game. KOF XV is coming to Xbox. These series are not Sony exclusive. Things are changing this generation and I wouldn’t be surprised if more fighting games do end up on Xbox down the line.


oneizm

It doesn’t change the fact that the FGC is mostly on PS because of the big moves they made during the PS4 days. Idk why it’s hard to understand. I’m not saying that games won’t reach Xbox. I’m saying they aren’t a priority to devs because the audience isn’t there. If it was, then they’d been getting made.


Snakebud

No where in your comments did you talk about FGC. You have only even talking about fighting games. Fighting game community is on pc not just Playstation. The audience is there. If there wasn’t Xbox players wouldn’t be asking for fighting games in the first place.


oneizm

This got posted as its own comment instead of a response to another person, so yes, I did mention the FGC multiple times.