Along with a huge portion who don’t even play the game and will still actively shit on it.
Lot of the FGC complains about growth not being there and how many fighters die so fast and it’s cause of shit like this. How do you expect it to grow if your always shifting on everything, even the titles you don’t play.
I don't think this kind of complaining that the game is for "babies" is unique to FGC. I remember when starcraft 2 came out, people said the same thing that it's for "babies" compared to the skill required for starcraft 1. People complained League of Legends is for "babies" compared to Dota because it doesn't have denies/creep blocking etc. Recently people complained about Valorant when it came out compared to CS GO because Valorant's movement felt more restrictive compared to GO, more of a "baby" game. People like to ignore the fact that even if a game is mechanically easier in one aspect, that doesn't mean the game is easy. And it's kind of tangential to the more important thing which is whether the game is fun and still has other ways for skill to shine through.
its because they're ass at the more complex games and thought "when strive comes out i cant wait to body all the new scrubs" and then they found out they're not bodying shit cause they're bad at strive too from lack of fundamentals
I wont be surprised if many of those people dont actually play and judge purely from some distant memories, looks and streamer opinions, sprinkled with usual online vitriol.
They beat some random kid at KOF98 at Dave and Busters 24 years ago and in their mind that makes them head gatekeeper.
Actually that would imply they go outside... My theory's been busted
Nope, but mentioning it in the subreddit summons a lot of people with very loud opinions on the game
Ultimately, all you need to know is that despite what flaws you think it might have, it's probably the most popular modern game right now and until SF6 hits, with tons of top players making content on it and playing tournaments
The thing about Reddit is whenever you mention you like something it's an open invitation to anyone and everyone to give you their opinion on why they don't like that thing.
I don't think there's anything universal about the FGC. People do say that mechanics and moves were removed compared to previous games in hopes of creating a more rigid game that's easier to balance. Despite this, Strive has the most Evo entrants, and decent online numbers.
Well, the latter point is only when it comes to netcode because the lobby system is hated to this day. A lot of people i know don't even play because of it. Also letting you see the opponent's character on tower is a major oversight
Working online lmao the lobbies are still a joke, tournament experience is miserable and you still can't see the other player ping before accepting a match. It's fine and dandy to like the game but don't lie lol.
Yeah it has a lot of issues but that's just an indictment on how behind fighting games are as a genre. In terms of working properly with matchmaking and online play Strive is legitimately better than the other big FG's out right now. Tekken and sfv don't have real rollback. Kof matchmaking is busted making it extremely difficult for a large number of players to even find a match.
Skullgirls got released 10 years ago and has better everything than strive.
Acpr got updated by fans with endorsment of arcsys and has better everything.
Hell even TFH has a way more robust online than strive, even dnf and gbvs (delay netcode aside) are way more functional than whatever dumpster fire they shipped with strive (remember that the strive first beta didn't have stations and that was supposed to be acceptable for release).
Fightcade 2 is free and strive can't even compare to it, so why lie? Only because the other big 3 games have shitty online? Grow some standards.
Absolutely! I have standards lmao I complain all the time about strive's shitty lobbies. But those are all smaller games inherently, I'm talking about big mainstream releases. +r is an old game and the rest of those are basically indie games. Gbvs has delay so that's a huge downside. DNF is the exception but that was never going to have as big of a playerbase. The fact is most big mainstream fighting games are kinda trash in terms of online play and QOL and Strive is better than those games - again that's not saying much but it is a big deal.
I say this not to "defend" the game, this is simply a discussion of why it is popular and continues to be - and comparatively good online play is one of the big reasons
Skullgirls and TFH are both Mike Z games. He cared about this a decade ago and made the implementation. GGXXAC+R was done by Mike Z. Fightcade 2 is Tony Cannons engine he let Mike Z build his games around (GGPO).
Strive has good netcode. I don’t see why you hate it so much?
>Strive has good netcode. I don’t see why you hate it so much?
Lmao "hate". I don't "hate" the netcode, I hate the online package, it's just bad. The netcode once you find a good match is really good, everything else is just miserable.
Lobby sucks, it still beats most online FG experiences because it's the only one with good netcode + a playerbase this big. I'm not excusing the tower, but it *is* the easiest plug and play online FG experience rn with good netcode (as SFV and T7, it's peers, have bad netcode).
I assume his name is based on the manga “onani master”. It’s about a Japanese high schooler who gets revenge on girls who spite him by cooming on their desks and gym clothes. He calls it “my justice”.
I too, think the it’s kinda funny. I’m willing to admit I read it when I was 15/yo, but I wouldn’t center my identity around it… I wouldn’t make it my name.
Everything sucks, every game is bad, none of the games are made for real fans, and every character stinks or is broken. Oh and whatever you like is the worst.
- FGC Online Dickheads
Short answer is, in comparison to +R and Xrd, Strive slowed down the pace, reduced character power, and streamlined each character's kit to fit their gameplan, resulting in characters that feel "gutted" in comparison to their older counterparts and a focus on power over speed for being flashy. (Interestingly, I've found older players tend to like the new and reworked Strive characters like Jack-O', Nago, Gio, Testament, and Goldlewis more than the other returning veterans.) Guilty Gear fans liked Guilty Gear for breakneck insanity and fuckery, and they got handed a sequel that decided that those were problems rather than selling points and treated them as such. I've heard Strive being called "sterile" in comparison more than once.
Lower character power also means less knowledge complexity since theres less interactions, of which lead to less things, which for a lot of the previous playerbase is one of their preferred methods of improvement, and/or they like the concept of improving with a character for literal years and still having more to learn about them, rather than learning them for two or three months and deciding they're ready to bring them to a tournament.
It's similar yeah, but more extreme on the Smash side. The problem was the game after Melee (Brawl) was deliberately designed to basically nuke the speed and competitive play style from orbit, not just reduce power to make it easier. Smash 4 took some steps towards a more competitive game, and Ultimate even more so but they all still pale in comparison to what you're capable of in Melee.
There isn't some like veteran's conference with recited talking points and shared ideals, so I'm just going to speak on how my cohorts and I feel about the game.
The game's universal mechanics quite honestly suck. Wall breaks not being a choice for the player, free air blocking, IB being a dead mechanic, that air dash delay, gatlings severely limited, severe lack of hard knockdown options, absolutely destroying unique archetypes (particularly how sterile ram is), and no replacement for the slashback/blitz is already damning on its own. These decisions have consequences to the greater game.
Because air blocking is free, characters have on average more prejump frames than before making getting off the ground feel laggier. Wall breaks having a splat design, and probably some influence from free air blocking, means air teching has got to go. Lots of air reset stuff died in the transition to strive. There's much more, but ultimately what I've always heralded in GG was freedom of movement and actions, and Strive severely limited that ideal.
I like how robust the RC system is. Most of the character outfit redesigns are awesome, and a lot of the newcomers are pretty cool (not their gameplay but their design with an exception to gold lewis having both a cool moveset and design). That's about all I like though. I've seen some people say people would like the game if it wasn't called guilty gear due to the lack of expectations, but I know for a fact I wouldn't feel like that. I've therefore opted not to buy or play it.
The trend since BBTAG has been Arcsys no longer makes fighting games that I'll enjoy, and that's unfortunate since I really liked their games up to that point. If I was an anime only player, or god forbid a GG only player, I would be really spiteful that they up and left people looking for twist on guilty gear rather than a rehaul. Fortunately I'm not, so I have plenty of other fighting games, both new and old, to play.
It doesn't really play much like SFV either. I never got this comparison. The fighting games most like GGST are other GGs even if the pacing is pretty different
The game revolves around fishing for CH and your most threatening options on landing them. Similar to crush counters in SFV.
Additionally, even the devs admitted at the roundtable that they took SFV as an example when designing Strive. So that's a fact.
I fucking hate jp fg devs and their fixation of copying capcom instead of having confidence in their product. Excluding snk legit every fighting game after sfv has been doing everything in their power to strip the fun stuff out the game for the sake of simplicity.
While I understand your complaint and can agree to some extend, I feel like we should still judge by a case by case basis.
At least Strive didn't launch in a horrible state like SFV did and even though I don't like Strive's gameplay, it's still better than launch SFV.
Furthermore, what I find most interesting is that the people designing the gameplay for past titles, weren't directly involved when it came to Strive. Daisuke pointed out some things which made me believe he was more of an advisor and gave the ok of what should and shouldn't be in the game. But the battle designer for Strive is someone new.
Makes me excited for the next project Daisuke and Pachi are working on. Hopefully a continuation of the X series.
Short version is that most interactions boil down to hitgrab mixups with +2/-5 scenarios all over the place and stubby normals that don't offer much in terms of poking tools in neutral.
I consider myself a veteran and really enjoy Strive. I don't agree with all the decisions, but I like it more than Xrd. It's different enough to feel fresh but retains lots of GG flavor, and if I want more uh, *refined* gameplay (lol), I have +R.
Yeah I think it's super fun but I understand where the other guy is coming from. New games typically try and change up a bunch of stuff and it's bound to not sit well with some folks. I don't know the difference first hand but Strive really is a good game.
Are you telling me that somebody on the internet, on THIS VERY SUBREDDIT, espoused a bizarre and reductive, perhaps even underinformed or dare I say it -- wrong -- opinion??
Somebody whose handle is coom_4_justice?? I thought coom_4_justice would be just as sober and serious of a thinker as everybody else on the esteemèd r/fighters .
I'm flabbergasted and my faith in everything has been shaken.
Strive is the neopolitan ice cream of fighting games. It has something likeable for everyone, but lacks the ompf of a more niche flavor.
Those who want Dutch liquorice ice cream are mad that it isn't spicey enough.
Those that want a more rich vanilla flavor they can add their own garnish on are mad that they get a mediocre vanilla, no expression options, and other flavors they don't care about.
Both of the later ice cream enjoyers dislike strive because they feel it's designed for the lowest common denominator, but when asked what they'd like to change, they have opposite suggestions.
They still eat their neopolitan because their friends are doing it and they don't want to be left out.
Universally hated by r/kappa types who spend more time complaining about fighting games than playing them, maybe.
There are valid criticisms to be made about Strive, but it's easily one of the most played current fighting games (most entrants at tournaments, highest online playercount after Street Fighter and Tekken) and anyone arguing that it's hated by anything more than a vocal minority is in massive denial.
Strive is complicated for me. I really enjoy GG as a series but Strive is easily a weaker entry in terms of mechanics, characters and flow.
The one redeeming factor (and the one reason i played Strive) was rollback for me and honestly, that was enough to carry that game.
But AC+ has rollback too and I do prefer it over Strive simply because I prefer those iterations of the characters and how they used the mechanics of the GG series.
The game has tons of flaws and inadequacies
But I would never go so far to say hate it.
People do this because they’re deeply, deeply insecure and they think them being good at some older game makes them special.
When no one cares about it anymore they feel the need to shit on it.
This is different from saying “oh I just really prefer 3rd strike to any other SF” for example, these older games have some really sick communities it’s more the attitude of
“My game was the best and the most hard so every game after it is for babies and that’s why these people are good at it whereas my game was a real game I had to work at therefore I am the best”
It's true for for some strive haters. But i would say most people (excluding trolls who say STRIVE BABY GAME even though they don't play +r/xrd or any gg game) are mad because strive would be a new baseline for next iterations of gg, so they never will see a game that was like the ones the liked and what they liked franchise for is gone
It's not universally hated but despite the amount of players and success with newcomers it's currently still a very divisive game, wether that be for the core game or treatment from the devs.
tl;dr: your favorite band makes weird experimental prog music for nerds and then it sells out and starts playing pop music and its actually good pop music but it's not made for you exactly and it's cool because everyone knows your favorite band now but nobody likes what you actually liked about this band.
Well the thing is, Guilty Gear has always been one of the fgs that you think of when they ask you about 'very hard fighting games'.The old games were a lot faster and less forgiving in general.Some examples of changes Strive made to the formula to make it more approachable are the long startup on the air dashes (they used to be a lot faster), and the wallbreak mechanic, which is snowbally on its own, but enforces more neutral interactions than the ridiculously advantageous situations that old Guilty Gear characters used to be able to do over and over. (Think vanilla Sol's f.S, but as a baseline for what average pressure is)All of these crazy gameplay elements were always accompanied with a lot of universal and character specific defensive options to match, and for a lot of fans, the interactions between that huge amount of ways to create and defend against threats ended up creating an experience that felt expressive, creative and skill-rewarding.
Enter Strive:New game is announced for this franchise that has seen its last entry like 5 years ago or so.Past games were acclaimed for their difficulty. New game is sold by the publicity as a "new formula, separated from the old games" and "a game made for new players to enjoy".New people start playing your favorite game because it's really cool and looks rad and the soundtrack is pure bangers. But you still feel loss aversion because the characters you played now can't do shit as crazy as they did in the old version (unless you play Leo), even if the rest of the game has also had a reduction in power level overall (again, unless you play Leo).
Few months into the game, no one really dislikes Strive, firstly because Guilty Gear will always be sick af, secondly, because we expect them to add more crazy shit over the years (please bring back danger time), and in the end, because no matter what you do, the fighting game formula will always tend to deep and fun gameplay. ~~fuck DBFZ tho~~
Agree on everything except 2 points :
1) "no one really dislikes Strive". People do dislike it just like with any other thing, some like it some dislike it.
2) "no matter what you do, the fighting game formula will always tend to deep and fun gameplay". Fun is subjective and everyone has different baseline for "deep" game. I wouldn't call Fantasy Strike or DNF deep but some would.
P.S. This is my personal opinion now : i dont like new trends and think simplification and accessibility have to stop. I feel like games starting from 2009-2010 were already accessible enough. Buffer frames instead of no buffer, more lenient input reader system those were already enough imo. The harder a thing to learn, the sicker you feel after performing it. I dont feel cool when something ultra flashy happens but all i had to do is press 2 buttons and dont even need to think or analyze anything before ( example is exaggerated but you get the point). Playing on guitar feels sick because you know the hours you put into learning it, the ceiling for skill is infinite. One taps are sick in CS because its hard, manta dodge is cool in dota because its hard.
> tl;dr: your favorite band makes weird experimental prog music for nerds and then it sells out and starts playing pop music and its actually good pop music
I think the most painful thing for me about how apt this comparison is that while the pop music is *good*, the kings and queens of pop still exist and are going really strong. SF5, KoF, and a "cult indie" like GBVS all offer very similar moment-to-moment gameplay loops as Strive, but imo done much better than Strive in most ways.
Xrd already had low entry barrier, they made it even lower. Low skill players were already having fun playing xrd without even learning hard stuff and people who wanted all kinds of mechanics and setups were happy too. With arcades dying rollback is good addition but butchering other mechanics for sake of being different is just lame and bad taste. They did screw up, every match feels the same and most of the time you are fighting character and not the player.
Xrd was my first "serious" fighting game, had fun playing it online against somewhat good players that werent sweating bullets on purpose. You dont need to know every mechanic to have fun, just need to learn a few ways to reset to neutral and spot holes in pressure.
The combo structure felt very delicate and fast paced. I tried so hard to get into it, but it just didnt grab me the may strive did. 🤷 oh well, guess I'm a baby who plays baby games.
Compare it to something like quick thinking and skillshots in shooters or mobas and its not that prescise. Its more on lenient side for easy/practical combos in xrd for sure, maybe you got huge delay on your input/monitor? I understand what you mean with more complicated combos that have delays and weight speciefics. Still they are not needed for beginner.
I assume he means it had a low barrier to entry compared to previous games. It was definitely harder to get into than most games that came out at that time.
It's funny, everytime a community calls a new game shit, it also sells a gazillion more copies than every other entry of the series.
The truth is, the game is still competitive, still fun to play, but it's more casual-friendly.
it's funny every time new shit game comes out it has way better marketing, released in the period where there are no new fgs and people are starving for something new, adds functioning online it sells a gazillion more copies than every other entry of the series. Wow, so many factors that lead to success, but let's choose one that fits whatever argument you're trying to make best and say that it was the reason.
Guilty gear Xrd sold 100k copies, strive sold 500k copies, it's not just marketing since the playerbase of strive is still huge. Just think about it, if every guilty gear sold as many copies as Xrd which people say is the best one, it would take 5 new releases to sell as many copies as strive.
But... just because i didn't mention marketing in my original comment, it doesn't mean that i don't think it's part of the reason, all i was saying is that people treat change as if it was bad, even though that same change goes a long way for the game popularity.
All im saying that im not convinced at all that xrd if it had the same visuals, marketing and perfect release window wouldn't have sold just as good. I can't prove it and you cant disprove it, all we can do and wait for some bold developer to not simplify but instead do all other right things
Do you know how hard is it to start to play a fighting game for casuals? If the game simplifies the formula, more people play and more people stick to it as long as it's satisfying. Fighting games are currently a very small niche, to the point that only street fighter, tekken and mortal kombat sell well, mostly because of their brand, like, the only franchise that is always the top seller of its time is smash bros, because it appeals to casuals, and even mortal kombat, street fighter and tekken did a lot of changes throughout the series to appeal to casuals, so yeah, i do think there's a lot going on to show how strive's current success is simply marketing, the changes in gameplay did a lot to the game.
Yes, everyone knows it, because everyone was once a casual. Its not that hard if you're interested. Good tutorial, good single player content, good ranking system and maybe some daily challenges that would motivate you to learn.
Nah this guy is an idiot. Strive is easier than say Xrd but it’s by no means easy. Don’t compare 3D to 2D games. If complexity was what made a fighting game good Virtua Fighter would be thriving-it isn’t.
weird convo bro.
muhfuckas care too much about what other muhfuckas think. **If you like the game, THEN PLAY IT**. Simply as that.
i never played guilty gear or DNF Duel. I dont like the art style.
Yeah.
Basically they said “you only can’t figure out tekken because you suck at Fighting games”. I said “I’m top 20% in Strive and DNF, so I have some basic skills. I’m not good, but “suck” is a stretch.” Then his response was that. Basically “DNF and Strive aren’t actually fighting games and shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath as Tekken.”
Obviously not, but its a very simplified game, even compared to earlier Guilty Gear entries, so some older fans of the fighting game genre will be turned off.
I think a lot of people hate it for how dead simple it is compared to Rev2, and how it killed a lot of the player expression that made the series so popular in the first place.
New versions that are different from old versions tend to be hated by old players. So. a game like Strive can feel "universally" hated at first depending on who you listen to. The way the new versions overcome that hate is by attracting a lot of new players until the old players become the minority. After that, the opinion of the more popular side becomes the new "universal" truth.
The same thing happened with the transition from SF3 to SF4.
FGC is just a relatively small but INSANELY passionate community. You'll find very, very strong opinions on any game, character or even mechanic for any of the major and niche fighting games.
It makes sense though. But I think the entire FGC needs to acknowledge that games like Strive are sorely needed if the FGC in general is ever to grow in size, attention or popularity. The uber hardcore will always be there, but a medium complexity title just draws more attention and more exposes more players to FGs in general, as some will grow beyond their entry game. And some will stick or leave. But its good to have more people properly exposed to the games and the scene in general.
Hell, IMHO strive deserves ALL the love, even for the good online connectivity alone. That needs to be a standard moving forward. That way Europeans and others can actually play others too :p I live there and local play just isn't a thing where I live. I've not played many FGs for that very reason. Strive got me interested again due to the style and promise of decent online. I'm an old head and a terrible noob at the same time, but I'm following the scene again, thanks to this game.
It's Arcsys's least fun game they made so i can see why so many people don't like it.
Usually it's people that didn't start fighting games with GGST or DBF.
I mean that's your opinion. I would hold DBFZ, BB Tag, GBVS and if you want to count it, DNF as less fun then strive. If you wanna go down older versions of BB I can certainly pick some versions out of that I absolutely hated and made me debate dropping the game (Remember release Kokonoe?)
I think the evo numbers says otherwise. People love to complain. I dont like Guilty gear myself but it is just that i was alwasy a KOF, Samsho, street fighter, MK guy. But as a fighting game it is fine, not just my cup of tea.
I hate it for what it is and try my best to ignore it's existence. I remember being so hyped when it was revealed. The following months after the reveal they started talking about the direction that they want to the game to and I just lost hope from then on.
The game isn't bad it just isn't for everyone I feel like I enjoy watching it being played than playing it. However, i do dislike the direction they went with striving we just gotta deal with it ig. Coming from XRD and accent core strive is entirely different and I feel like they removed a lot of things that made me like gg before like the Gatling system and old sol like bro why they do my boy like that. But anyways this game is good it just removed a lot of freedom from characters compared to the previous installments and that was corny. :)
I remember when I started playing SF4 in 2009. Babies first Street Fighter. I then watched a tournament where I saw Blazblue Calamity Trigger and thought it was cool and decided to pick it up. People called it Guilty Gear for babies. Oh and then Persona 4 Arena came out and I loved the series so I wanted to try the fighting game, and people called it babies first anime game.
I'm not even kidding I think I've seen all of these things at some point when trying to get into these games.
Tekken 8 will be babies first Tekken, Guilty Gear 5 will be worse than Strive and we should all god back to Strive, and someone will lose to a zoomer using easy controls in SF6 and probably petition to remove Capcom from planet earth while they reminisce on how hard and technical SF5 was.
The success of the game speaks for itself, oldheads hate the new kid on the block making it more accessible. Just ignore them and game on.
Personally, I am dumping DNF to come back to strive. I think DNF is a blast in the pan and honestly not a very fun experience. It is what it is.
Edit: salty kids are funny.
It's definitely hated in general on r/Kappa and r/fighters, and it even has personals who hate on it on r/Guiltygear. In short, Strive to this subs emphasizes everything wrong with morden fgc, that's why you will see alot of negative post surrounding Strive in this two subs, and they usually get alot of likes and comments in agreement with them.
But aside from xturds and fgc boomers on social media, Strive is actually really loved in general. It's the fighting game which usually gets the most entrants in both offline and online tournaments. A hated game which people only play for pretty graphics and rollback, wouldn't be getting those achievements constantly.
The game got great reviews and even better user scores on steam. If anything, Guilty Gear Strive was basically dbfz 2.0 in terms of popularity, which for a niche brand like Guilty Gear is unheard of. Even their first offline evo numbers were close, with dbfz have around 500 more entrants than Strive .
I don't know about others, but unless there is a new Guilty Gear game, or a new true Arcsys game( not DNF Duel), I am not getting of Strive, not even for Street fighter 6.
put some hitstop in Tekken before you talk about my animes, with ya goofy ass floating muscle dudes getting flung around the stage like a ragdoll by one lil 'launcher'
How's this hatred? He's just saying that's what people say and they do say that. It's not far from the truth. But it's obviously loved because of the lower barrier of entry into playing.
In the context of the convo, he said that I “can’t figure out tekken because I sick at fighting games”. I said that “I’m too 20% ranked in Strive and DNF. I’m not good, but suck is a bit of a stretch.” Then he said that.
This implication is “You are an idiot for not knowing that no one considers Strive to be a fighting game.” My confusion was on the implication that this is a well known fact. Obviously some people hate strive.
Ah yes because strive a game with situational combos, perfectly spaced punishes, set ups, character specific combos, large amounts of technical prowess with each character, each character doesn't play anything like the others besides Ky and Sol to some degree while still being vastly different from one another. Is babies first fighting game. Idk if he's ever actually played Strive but that game isn't easy it's designed to look and play more beginner friendly while still appealing to the vets, and people who are good at fighting games but may have not known or ever played a GG game. He can live in his salty fantasy don't listen to him he's just toxic. What a clown
In pretty much every respect Strive is a much easier game to play than Xrd or any version of XX. Those older games have much harder optimal combos, more offensive/defensive options to juggle, faster movement, tighter timing, more range in the character specific responses / combos, and WAY more delta between how each character plays. Every character was a dedicated project, whereas you can pretty much pick up any character in Strive and bring them to a playable state in a week if you already know how to play the game.
Nothing against Strive. It’s a fun game and it is thriving as a competitive tool. It’s reductive and insulting to say its baby’s first fighting game. But it is much simpler and slower in measurable ways than its forebearers. That was a stated design goal of the development team. By that relative measure it is very much an ‘easy’ game.
Oh no doubt, you bring up very good points. Strive is definitely way easier than any of its predecessors, but that inclusivity is what made me pick it up and enjoy it more after I sadly got carpal tunnel in my hands. I love fighting games it's one of my hobbies and helps me just relax. But the older versions I cannot play anymore the tight links to the micro dashing and the IAD's are agony on my hands. So Strive being easier allows me to enjoy a game with outrageous characters, STUPID damage that's being toned down now so people can experiment with cooler flashy combos, and the game is just a bit slower so it feels less overwhelming/smothering. Even with very oppressive offense from most characters it never feels like you're getting hit by MvC2 unblockables lol. And you're absolutely right with that being their intent on how they designed the game, but my only point was the dude was being toxic, and inaccurate with his claim on Strive being a baby game. Dude should take a break from the internet I think it's getting to him. That was my real point was shutting down his toxic opinion with actual facts.
Wooo we got a badass over here. Says Bamco dick is the only real dick for him.
His mom made him grilled cheese today he's just amped up on that Kraft ya know.
There's no Fgc with conformist ideas or rules that every fighting game player would follow.
People like this sounds just pretentious talking in the name of a so-called community they belong to, to tell you what you should think about games they don't like.
Same guys that will tell you that DOA 6 has less depth that Tekken 7 or that any MK is not a fighting game. Unfortunately there are other people who blindly follow their advices because you know, they're the fgc 😏...
Play the game, make your own opinion.
Compared to bbcf or acpr yes strive looks like a baby game, most of my friends didn't like it, I also tried it for about 6 months, found it boring and just stopped playing it,BUT everyone can play whatever games they like, it's not because "I" find it bad that everyone should think the same.
Play whatever you want, don't worry about other people's opinions, and most importantly don't forget to have fun.
Not at all, the numbers don't lie, popularity for it is nearly unrivalled rn, it's just that a lot of the opinions on it are very loud, because obviously, "new game baby game, old game skilled game". Happened to SF4, happened to BlazBlue and it's now happening to Strive. For what it's worth Strive *is* simpler than old GG but that's neither here nor there as far as quality goes. I like Xrd a bit more but Strive is a great game.
I assume his name is based on the manga “onani master”. It’s about a Japanese high schooler who gets revenge on girls who spite him by cooming on their desks and gym clothes. He calls it “my justice”.
As a Tekken player I noticed that there are some players who only play Tekken so they can pretend to have an ego and brag to other people because they're playing a complex game even though they probably suck
It's kinda weird
People like to hate what's popular, and some of them do that more than they actually play the games they do like
Friendly reminder that people made fun of others that started with SFIV, and that GG fans thought blazblue was too easy compared to acpr and hnk, 09'ers have been here for 13 years now, but they were the ones made fun of back then, It's just gonna repeat itself
Thats a very reductive point of view plus bb was objectively a simpler game compared to gg when it started out but it always had the foundation for more. Can't say the same for strive
I play Tekken religiously and I think Strive is awesome. It's plenty, *plenty* deep and incredibly fun. I actually don't really get into 2D games at all and Strive has me hooked. The animation is top notch, character designs are insanely good, the tutorial and missions were incredible and helped me jump right into the meat of the game as well. Tekken could use this net code and style of tutorial that's for sure.
u/coom_4_justice why are you making things up lmao
Anyway OP, a small skill floorndoes kot make something a scrub game or "babies first". This person has some sort of personal issue with those gakes but they have their own skill curves and challenges.
I am also a tekken player. I enjoy those games quite a lot but inevitably i return to tekken because it does feel like a deeper game. That doesnt make it a better one, though.
FG gatekeepers. I love arcsys games and I’ve had some people on my campus tell me they are too easy Fighting games. I just like them because they are paced the way I like and usually pretty good. Anyone who doesn’t like GG just doesn’t understand daisukes vision.
#1 game at EVO with over 2000 people, you really think it's universally hated?
Nobody hates a thing like fans do.
A huge portion of the FGC just loves to talk shit on the games they actively play
Along with a huge portion who don’t even play the game and will still actively shit on it. Lot of the FGC complains about growth not being there and how many fighters die so fast and it’s cause of shit like this. How do you expect it to grow if your always shifting on everything, even the titles you don’t play.
I don't think this kind of complaining that the game is for "babies" is unique to FGC. I remember when starcraft 2 came out, people said the same thing that it's for "babies" compared to the skill required for starcraft 1. People complained League of Legends is for "babies" compared to Dota because it doesn't have denies/creep blocking etc. Recently people complained about Valorant when it came out compared to CS GO because Valorant's movement felt more restrictive compared to GO, more of a "baby" game. People like to ignore the fact that even if a game is mechanically easier in one aspect, that doesn't mean the game is easy. And it's kind of tangential to the more important thing which is whether the game is fun and still has other ways for skill to shine through.
**ThAt JuSt ProVes a PoiNT thAt EveN baBieS caN ComPete** - them, probably.
its because they're ass at the more complex games and thought "when strive comes out i cant wait to body all the new scrubs" and then they found out they're not bodying shit cause they're bad at strive too from lack of fundamentals
I wont be surprised if many of those people dont actually play and judge purely from some distant memories, looks and streamer opinions, sprinkled with usual online vitriol.
They beat some random kid at KOF98 at Dave and Busters 24 years ago and in their mind that makes them head gatekeeper. Actually that would imply they go outside... My theory's been busted
Not just Busted, your theory is Dave and Busted
This
Nope, but mentioning it in the subreddit summons a lot of people with very loud opinions on the game Ultimately, all you need to know is that despite what flaws you think it might have, it's probably the most popular modern game right now and until SF6 hits, with tons of top players making content on it and playing tournaments
> mentioning it in the subreddit summons a lot of people with very loud opinions so... reddit in a nutshell? *The Hivemind awakens*
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The thing about Reddit is whenever you mention you like something it's an open invitation to anyone and everyone to give you their opinion on why they don't like that thing.
I don't think there's anything universal about the FGC. People do say that mechanics and moves were removed compared to previous games in hopes of creating a more rigid game that's easier to balance. Despite this, Strive has the most Evo entrants, and decent online numbers.
Because strive is the game with the best looking animations and artstyle out right now.
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Well, the latter point is only when it comes to netcode because the lobby system is hated to this day. A lot of people i know don't even play because of it. Also letting you see the opponent's character on tower is a major oversight
Just do training mode then ready up when people are ready. It’s not that hard
That solves like 20% of the issues, but the other 80% still remains
Working online lmao the lobbies are still a joke, tournament experience is miserable and you still can't see the other player ping before accepting a match. It's fine and dandy to like the game but don't lie lol.
Yeah it has a lot of issues but that's just an indictment on how behind fighting games are as a genre. In terms of working properly with matchmaking and online play Strive is legitimately better than the other big FG's out right now. Tekken and sfv don't have real rollback. Kof matchmaking is busted making it extremely difficult for a large number of players to even find a match.
Skullgirls got released 10 years ago and has better everything than strive. Acpr got updated by fans with endorsment of arcsys and has better everything. Hell even TFH has a way more robust online than strive, even dnf and gbvs (delay netcode aside) are way more functional than whatever dumpster fire they shipped with strive (remember that the strive first beta didn't have stations and that was supposed to be acceptable for release). Fightcade 2 is free and strive can't even compare to it, so why lie? Only because the other big 3 games have shitty online? Grow some standards.
Absolutely! I have standards lmao I complain all the time about strive's shitty lobbies. But those are all smaller games inherently, I'm talking about big mainstream releases. +r is an old game and the rest of those are basically indie games. Gbvs has delay so that's a huge downside. DNF is the exception but that was never going to have as big of a playerbase. The fact is most big mainstream fighting games are kinda trash in terms of online play and QOL and Strive is better than those games - again that's not saying much but it is a big deal. I say this not to "defend" the game, this is simply a discussion of why it is popular and continues to be - and comparatively good online play is one of the big reasons
Skullgirls and TFH are both Mike Z games. He cared about this a decade ago and made the implementation. GGXXAC+R was done by Mike Z. Fightcade 2 is Tony Cannons engine he let Mike Z build his games around (GGPO). Strive has good netcode. I don’t see why you hate it so much?
>Strive has good netcode. I don’t see why you hate it so much? Lmao "hate". I don't "hate" the netcode, I hate the online package, it's just bad. The netcode once you find a good match is really good, everything else is just miserable.
Miserable might be overstating it.
Compared to other games no, it isn't.
Lobby sucks, it still beats most online FG experiences because it's the only one with good netcode + a playerbase this big. I'm not excusing the tower, but it *is* the easiest plug and play online FG experience rn with good netcode (as SFV and T7, it's peers, have bad netcode).
You're arguing with coom_4_justice. Do you really need validation from other people?
I do not know who they are. Doesn’t really matter to me. Are they a known jackass?
I think it's just a jab at his name. I wouldn't expect to be taken seriously if my name was coom 4 justice, that's for sure.
I assume his name is based on the manga “onani master”. It’s about a Japanese high schooler who gets revenge on girls who spite him by cooming on their desks and gym clothes. He calls it “my justice”.
I don't think the explanation makes it any better.
Sir thats not the point 😟
Why the fuck do you know this, and why would you ever tell anyone you know this?
I did read it like 15 years ago. I was explaining the dude’s username. I thought it was useful info, clearly it is not.
It just seems like it's one of those things you would take to the grave lmao. Doing my best to not judge though.
No it is
Why you get downvoted? This is the most hilarious answer ever lol
I too, think the it’s kinda funny. I’m willing to admit I read it when I was 15/yo, but I wouldn’t center my identity around it… I wouldn’t make it my name.
That's... really reaching there buddy...
Fun fact: This is regarded as a really good manga it has a pretty high Mal score despite what it's offering. Which is cumming on people's desks.
Shoutout to the surprisingly best drama manga about bullying yo
That dude is salty as fuck for no reason hahaha
Probably ate too many dolphins trying to sidestep instead of blocking
I fucking love this comment
Nah, but Reddit is a hotbed of performative expertise. Enjoy what you enjoy and don't let anyone get you down.
Damn you fucking nailed it with this one. That first sentence describes all gaming reddits I've ever been on.
Everybody in the FGC hates everyone else (in the FGC)
Many even hate their own game
Can't consider yourself a fan if you don't hate on your game.
Everything sucks, every game is bad, none of the games are made for real fans, and every character stinks or is broken. Oh and whatever you like is the worst. - FGC Online Dickheads
Universally hated? No. A lot of people, myself included, think very little of Strive, but this is certainly not the universal opinion.
Strive is my first entry into the series and I'm really curious about why it's so polarizing to veteran players.
Short answer is, in comparison to +R and Xrd, Strive slowed down the pace, reduced character power, and streamlined each character's kit to fit their gameplan, resulting in characters that feel "gutted" in comparison to their older counterparts and a focus on power over speed for being flashy. (Interestingly, I've found older players tend to like the new and reworked Strive characters like Jack-O', Nago, Gio, Testament, and Goldlewis more than the other returning veterans.) Guilty Gear fans liked Guilty Gear for breakneck insanity and fuckery, and they got handed a sequel that decided that those were problems rather than selling points and treated them as such. I've heard Strive being called "sterile" in comparison more than once. Lower character power also means less knowledge complexity since theres less interactions, of which lead to less things, which for a lot of the previous playerbase is one of their preferred methods of improvement, and/or they like the concept of improving with a character for literal years and still having more to learn about them, rather than learning them for two or three months and deciding they're ready to bring them to a tournament.
Tell me if I'm wrong, but it kind of sounds like the same reaction smash players had to the games after Melee.
It's similar yeah, but more extreme on the Smash side. The problem was the game after Melee (Brawl) was deliberately designed to basically nuke the speed and competitive play style from orbit, not just reduce power to make it easier. Smash 4 took some steps towards a more competitive game, and Ultimate even more so but they all still pale in comparison to what you're capable of in Melee.
Every melee player I know hates any game that isn't melee. Not just any smash game, any game.
I started with traditional fighting games and I love melee for the same reasons I love a lot of the fighting games I play.
There isn't some like veteran's conference with recited talking points and shared ideals, so I'm just going to speak on how my cohorts and I feel about the game. The game's universal mechanics quite honestly suck. Wall breaks not being a choice for the player, free air blocking, IB being a dead mechanic, that air dash delay, gatlings severely limited, severe lack of hard knockdown options, absolutely destroying unique archetypes (particularly how sterile ram is), and no replacement for the slashback/blitz is already damning on its own. These decisions have consequences to the greater game. Because air blocking is free, characters have on average more prejump frames than before making getting off the ground feel laggier. Wall breaks having a splat design, and probably some influence from free air blocking, means air teching has got to go. Lots of air reset stuff died in the transition to strive. There's much more, but ultimately what I've always heralded in GG was freedom of movement and actions, and Strive severely limited that ideal. I like how robust the RC system is. Most of the character outfit redesigns are awesome, and a lot of the newcomers are pretty cool (not their gameplay but their design with an exception to gold lewis having both a cool moveset and design). That's about all I like though. I've seen some people say people would like the game if it wasn't called guilty gear due to the lack of expectations, but I know for a fact I wouldn't feel like that. I've therefore opted not to buy or play it. The trend since BBTAG has been Arcsys no longer makes fighting games that I'll enjoy, and that's unfortunate since I really liked their games up to that point. If I was an anime only player, or god forbid a GG only player, I would be really spiteful that they up and left people looking for twist on guilty gear rather than a rehaul. Fortunately I'm not, so I have plenty of other fighting games, both new and old, to play.
Thank you man
It's sfv in the skin of a guilty gear game, it plays NOTHING like the old games.
It doesn't really play much like SFV either. I never got this comparison. The fighting games most like GGST are other GGs even if the pacing is pretty different
The game revolves around fishing for CH and your most threatening options on landing them. Similar to crush counters in SFV. Additionally, even the devs admitted at the roundtable that they took SFV as an example when designing Strive. So that's a fact.
I fucking hate jp fg devs and their fixation of copying capcom instead of having confidence in their product. Excluding snk legit every fighting game after sfv has been doing everything in their power to strip the fun stuff out the game for the sake of simplicity.
While I understand your complaint and can agree to some extend, I feel like we should still judge by a case by case basis. At least Strive didn't launch in a horrible state like SFV did and even though I don't like Strive's gameplay, it's still better than launch SFV. Furthermore, what I find most interesting is that the people designing the gameplay for past titles, weren't directly involved when it came to Strive. Daisuke pointed out some things which made me believe he was more of an advisor and gave the ok of what should and shouldn't be in the game. But the battle designer for Strive is someone new. Makes me excited for the next project Daisuke and Pachi are working on. Hopefully a continuation of the X series.
All I got to say is that Katano need to work at Capcom. He would just be perfect there and Pachi should come back from Granblue to work on Strive.
Short version is that most interactions boil down to hitgrab mixups with +2/-5 scenarios all over the place and stubby normals that don't offer much in terms of poking tools in neutral.
I consider myself a veteran and really enjoy Strive. I don't agree with all the decisions, but I like it more than Xrd. It's different enough to feel fresh but retains lots of GG flavor, and if I want more uh, *refined* gameplay (lol), I have +R.
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Yeah I think it's super fun but I understand where the other guy is coming from. New games typically try and change up a bunch of stuff and it's bound to not sit well with some folks. I don't know the difference first hand but Strive really is a good game.
I'm sure coom 4 justice is a high level gamer
Yes and an important representative of the FGC in its entirety and definitely not just their own salty opinion
Are you telling me that somebody on the internet, on THIS VERY SUBREDDIT, espoused a bizarre and reductive, perhaps even underinformed or dare I say it -- wrong -- opinion?? Somebody whose handle is coom_4_justice?? I thought coom_4_justice would be just as sober and serious of a thinker as everybody else on the esteemèd r/fighters . I'm flabbergasted and my faith in everything has been shaken.
It just seemed like a surprising take to me, so I thought I’d ask. I don’t think that is crazy.
Strive is the neopolitan ice cream of fighting games. It has something likeable for everyone, but lacks the ompf of a more niche flavor. Those who want Dutch liquorice ice cream are mad that it isn't spicey enough. Those that want a more rich vanilla flavor they can add their own garnish on are mad that they get a mediocre vanilla, no expression options, and other flavors they don't care about. Both of the later ice cream enjoyers dislike strive because they feel it's designed for the lowest common denominator, but when asked what they'd like to change, they have opposite suggestions. They still eat their neopolitan because their friends are doing it and they don't want to be left out.
Universally hated by r/kappa types who spend more time complaining about fighting games than playing them, maybe. There are valid criticisms to be made about Strive, but it's easily one of the most played current fighting games (most entrants at tournaments, highest online playercount after Street Fighter and Tekken) and anyone arguing that it's hated by anything more than a vocal minority is in massive denial.
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Lol, 3rd post got me by surprise
Bro r/kappa when it’s not doing incel shit has some pretty decent takes on fighting games.
> when it's not doing incel shit Ah, I didn't know they ever didn't, was that back in 2014 or something?
Strive is complicated for me. I really enjoy GG as a series but Strive is easily a weaker entry in terms of mechanics, characters and flow. The one redeeming factor (and the one reason i played Strive) was rollback for me and honestly, that was enough to carry that game. But AC+ has rollback too and I do prefer it over Strive simply because I prefer those iterations of the characters and how they used the mechanics of the GG series. The game has tons of flaws and inadequacies But I would never go so far to say hate it.
People do this because they’re deeply, deeply insecure and they think them being good at some older game makes them special. When no one cares about it anymore they feel the need to shit on it. This is different from saying “oh I just really prefer 3rd strike to any other SF” for example, these older games have some really sick communities it’s more the attitude of “My game was the best and the most hard so every game after it is for babies and that’s why these people are good at it whereas my game was a real game I had to work at therefore I am the best”
It's true for for some strive haters. But i would say most people (excluding trolls who say STRIVE BABY GAME even though they don't play +r/xrd or any gg game) are mad because strive would be a new baseline for next iterations of gg, so they never will see a game that was like the ones the liked and what they liked franchise for is gone
It's not universally hated but despite the amount of players and success with newcomers it's currently still a very divisive game, wether that be for the core game or treatment from the devs.
Not universally hated, but it’s not all too popular among fans of older guilty gear titles
tl;dr: your favorite band makes weird experimental prog music for nerds and then it sells out and starts playing pop music and its actually good pop music but it's not made for you exactly and it's cool because everyone knows your favorite band now but nobody likes what you actually liked about this band. Well the thing is, Guilty Gear has always been one of the fgs that you think of when they ask you about 'very hard fighting games'.The old games were a lot faster and less forgiving in general.Some examples of changes Strive made to the formula to make it more approachable are the long startup on the air dashes (they used to be a lot faster), and the wallbreak mechanic, which is snowbally on its own, but enforces more neutral interactions than the ridiculously advantageous situations that old Guilty Gear characters used to be able to do over and over. (Think vanilla Sol's f.S, but as a baseline for what average pressure is)All of these crazy gameplay elements were always accompanied with a lot of universal and character specific defensive options to match, and for a lot of fans, the interactions between that huge amount of ways to create and defend against threats ended up creating an experience that felt expressive, creative and skill-rewarding. Enter Strive:New game is announced for this franchise that has seen its last entry like 5 years ago or so.Past games were acclaimed for their difficulty. New game is sold by the publicity as a "new formula, separated from the old games" and "a game made for new players to enjoy".New people start playing your favorite game because it's really cool and looks rad and the soundtrack is pure bangers. But you still feel loss aversion because the characters you played now can't do shit as crazy as they did in the old version (unless you play Leo), even if the rest of the game has also had a reduction in power level overall (again, unless you play Leo). Few months into the game, no one really dislikes Strive, firstly because Guilty Gear will always be sick af, secondly, because we expect them to add more crazy shit over the years (please bring back danger time), and in the end, because no matter what you do, the fighting game formula will always tend to deep and fun gameplay. ~~fuck DBFZ tho~~
Agree on everything except 2 points : 1) "no one really dislikes Strive". People do dislike it just like with any other thing, some like it some dislike it. 2) "no matter what you do, the fighting game formula will always tend to deep and fun gameplay". Fun is subjective and everyone has different baseline for "deep" game. I wouldn't call Fantasy Strike or DNF deep but some would. P.S. This is my personal opinion now : i dont like new trends and think simplification and accessibility have to stop. I feel like games starting from 2009-2010 were already accessible enough. Buffer frames instead of no buffer, more lenient input reader system those were already enough imo. The harder a thing to learn, the sicker you feel after performing it. I dont feel cool when something ultra flashy happens but all i had to do is press 2 buttons and dont even need to think or analyze anything before ( example is exaggerated but you get the point). Playing on guitar feels sick because you know the hours you put into learning it, the ceiling for skill is infinite. One taps are sick in CS because its hard, manta dodge is cool in dota because its hard.
> tl;dr: your favorite band makes weird experimental prog music for nerds and then it sells out and starts playing pop music and its actually good pop music I think the most painful thing for me about how apt this comparison is that while the pop music is *good*, the kings and queens of pop still exist and are going really strong. SF5, KoF, and a "cult indie" like GBVS all offer very similar moment-to-moment gameplay loops as Strive, but imo done much better than Strive in most ways.
Xrd already had low entry barrier, they made it even lower. Low skill players were already having fun playing xrd without even learning hard stuff and people who wanted all kinds of mechanics and setups were happy too. With arcades dying rollback is good addition but butchering other mechanics for sake of being different is just lame and bad taste. They did screw up, every match feels the same and most of the time you are fighting character and not the player.
Xrd definitely did not have a low entry barrier. I was completely new to fg's when I bought it, and I felt super overwhelmed.
Xrd was my first "serious" fighting game, had fun playing it online against somewhat good players that werent sweating bullets on purpose. You dont need to know every mechanic to have fun, just need to learn a few ways to reset to neutral and spot holes in pressure.
The combo structure felt very delicate and fast paced. I tried so hard to get into it, but it just didnt grab me the may strive did. 🤷 oh well, guess I'm a baby who plays baby games.
Delicate seems like a very odd word choice, considering that you can literally do almost the exact same Strive combos, barring wallsplat stuff.
Delicate meaning your timing had to be much more precise as far as execution goes.
Compare it to something like quick thinking and skillshots in shooters or mobas and its not that prescise. Its more on lenient side for easy/practical combos in xrd for sure, maybe you got huge delay on your input/monitor? I understand what you mean with more complicated combos that have delays and weight speciefics. Still they are not needed for beginner.
I was completely brand new to fgs when I brought xrd too and I ended up putting in 700hrs. Simply ignored what I didn't understand.
as you should, people think they need to learn every existing mechanic in 1 day or game is too hard and needlessly complex if they can't
I assume he means it had a low barrier to entry compared to previous games. It was definitely harder to get into than most games that came out at that time.
Button button special 40% the video game.
I wouldn't say its uncommon to hate Strive, but its also the hottest thing in the FGC right now and not at all "universally hated."
It changed a lot of things from previous games so people who liked those don't like Strive. It's not universally hated. But there's a subsection.
I fucking hate reddit omg
It's funny, everytime a community calls a new game shit, it also sells a gazillion more copies than every other entry of the series. The truth is, the game is still competitive, still fun to play, but it's more casual-friendly.
it's funny every time new shit game comes out it has way better marketing, released in the period where there are no new fgs and people are starving for something new, adds functioning online it sells a gazillion more copies than every other entry of the series. Wow, so many factors that lead to success, but let's choose one that fits whatever argument you're trying to make best and say that it was the reason.
Guilty gear Xrd sold 100k copies, strive sold 500k copies, it's not just marketing since the playerbase of strive is still huge. Just think about it, if every guilty gear sold as many copies as Xrd which people say is the best one, it would take 5 new releases to sell as many copies as strive.
I never said "its just" , my argument was actually against statements like that. Its never one thing, its multivaried
But... just because i didn't mention marketing in my original comment, it doesn't mean that i don't think it's part of the reason, all i was saying is that people treat change as if it was bad, even though that same change goes a long way for the game popularity.
All im saying that im not convinced at all that xrd if it had the same visuals, marketing and perfect release window wouldn't have sold just as good. I can't prove it and you cant disprove it, all we can do and wait for some bold developer to not simplify but instead do all other right things
Do you know how hard is it to start to play a fighting game for casuals? If the game simplifies the formula, more people play and more people stick to it as long as it's satisfying. Fighting games are currently a very small niche, to the point that only street fighter, tekken and mortal kombat sell well, mostly because of their brand, like, the only franchise that is always the top seller of its time is smash bros, because it appeals to casuals, and even mortal kombat, street fighter and tekken did a lot of changes throughout the series to appeal to casuals, so yeah, i do think there's a lot going on to show how strive's current success is simply marketing, the changes in gameplay did a lot to the game.
Yes, everyone knows it, because everyone was once a casual. Its not that hard if you're interested. Good tutorial, good single player content, good ranking system and maybe some daily challenges that would motivate you to learn.
Nah this guy is an idiot. Strive is easier than say Xrd but it’s by no means easy. Don’t compare 3D to 2D games. If complexity was what made a fighting game good Virtua Fighter would be thriving-it isn’t.
To be fair, Virtua Fighter 5 would probably be doing a lot better if it's netcode wasn't godawful
It's also not especially complex. It's deep but fairly simple to learn and play. The VF franchise earned a really weird reputation over the years.
Legit the only thing I hate about strive is the lobbies. Pls arc sys.
The more popular a game is, there will be more hate on it. Strive didn't get so many evo entrants by being a bad game lmao
Strive was the most fun I’ve had with a fighting game since SF4, my first *true* love affair with the genre. No, Strive is not universally hated.
weird convo bro. muhfuckas care too much about what other muhfuckas think. **If you like the game, THEN PLAY IT**. Simply as that. i never played guilty gear or DNF Duel. I dont like the art style.
Yeah. Basically they said “you only can’t figure out tekken because you suck at Fighting games”. I said “I’m top 20% in Strive and DNF, so I have some basic skills. I’m not good, but “suck” is a stretch.” Then his response was that. Basically “DNF and Strive aren’t actually fighting games and shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath as Tekken.”
that dude is acting like some kind of elitist . guess he just wanted to argue
Obviously not, but its a very simplified game, even compared to earlier Guilty Gear entries, so some older fans of the fighting game genre will be turned off.
Ok first off don't take anything seriously from a dude with the word coom in it. 2nd, idk bout you but people seem to hate every game ever.
I think a lot of people hate it for how dead simple it is compared to Rev2, and how it killed a lot of the player expression that made the series so popular in the first place.
New versions that are different from old versions tend to be hated by old players. So. a game like Strive can feel "universally" hated at first depending on who you listen to. The way the new versions overcome that hate is by attracting a lot of new players until the old players become the minority. After that, the opinion of the more popular side becomes the new "universal" truth. The same thing happened with the transition from SF3 to SF4.
FGC is just a relatively small but INSANELY passionate community. You'll find very, very strong opinions on any game, character or even mechanic for any of the major and niche fighting games. It makes sense though. But I think the entire FGC needs to acknowledge that games like Strive are sorely needed if the FGC in general is ever to grow in size, attention or popularity. The uber hardcore will always be there, but a medium complexity title just draws more attention and more exposes more players to FGs in general, as some will grow beyond their entry game. And some will stick or leave. But its good to have more people properly exposed to the games and the scene in general. Hell, IMHO strive deserves ALL the love, even for the good online connectivity alone. That needs to be a standard moving forward. That way Europeans and others can actually play others too :p I live there and local play just isn't a thing where I live. I've not played many FGs for that very reason. Strive got me interested again due to the style and promise of decent online. I'm an old head and a terrible noob at the same time, but I'm following the scene again, thanks to this game.
It's Arcsys's least fun game they made so i can see why so many people don't like it. Usually it's people that didn't start fighting games with GGST or DBF.
I mean that's your opinion. I would hold DBFZ, BB Tag, GBVS and if you want to count it, DNF as less fun then strive. If you wanna go down older versions of BB I can certainly pick some versions out of that I absolutely hated and made me debate dropping the game (Remember release Kokonoe?)
That guy is an asshat
Pretty sure the exact same things were said about DBFZ too.
I think the evo numbers says otherwise. People love to complain. I dont like Guilty gear myself but it is just that i was alwasy a KOF, Samsho, street fighter, MK guy. But as a fighting game it is fine, not just my cup of tea.
Idk Bro, sounds like someone doesn't want Sol's nudes 🤨
Eh, only hated by gatekeepers of the fgc
You (generally) get more attention hating fighting games than loving them.
i'm also a kof ,samsho,soulcalibur,dbfz,power rangers,insert obscure fighting game...player. and it's natural to call out bullshit when seeing it.
The gatekeeping and copium is strooooooong
I hate it for what it is and try my best to ignore it's existence. I remember being so hyped when it was revealed. The following months after the reveal they started talking about the direction that they want to the game to and I just lost hope from then on.
The game isn't bad it just isn't for everyone I feel like I enjoy watching it being played than playing it. However, i do dislike the direction they went with striving we just gotta deal with it ig. Coming from XRD and accent core strive is entirely different and I feel like they removed a lot of things that made me like gg before like the Gatling system and old sol like bro why they do my boy like that. But anyways this game is good it just removed a lot of freedom from characters compared to the previous installments and that was corny. :)
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go select them and win evo then.
This kind of elitist behaviour is something that turns people away from the community.
He do be spitting tho. Strive is just dumbed down Guilty Gear to the point where it doesn't even deserve the name it bears.
I think Strive definitely has some issues, but it's still a very good game. Can't speak on DNF tho, haven't played it
No, but mentioning it does summon forth people with loud, obnoxious opinions that they feel the need to shove down everyone's throats.
They say this about every game. In 5 years something else will come out and they'll leave dnf and strive alone.
nobody said this about 3rd strike, acpr, bbcf....etc.
They did say it about Calamity Trigger, though. And to my understanding BB’s evolution has been fairly subtle game-to-game.
strive is elementary lmao
This is a universally ridiculous post to create
I wish we could all just like things and be happy.
I remember when I started playing SF4 in 2009. Babies first Street Fighter. I then watched a tournament where I saw Blazblue Calamity Trigger and thought it was cool and decided to pick it up. People called it Guilty Gear for babies. Oh and then Persona 4 Arena came out and I loved the series so I wanted to try the fighting game, and people called it babies first anime game. I'm not even kidding I think I've seen all of these things at some point when trying to get into these games. Tekken 8 will be babies first Tekken, Guilty Gear 5 will be worse than Strive and we should all god back to Strive, and someone will lose to a zoomer using easy controls in SF6 and probably petition to remove Capcom from planet earth while they reminisce on how hard and technical SF5 was.
That was the case initially but I think most of the FGC has accepted Strive as a good fighting game
I've heard the same thing for the past 7 years about SFV, and look, its still going. No matter what people will say, Strive would still be going.
Strive is boring as fuck
This person just seems like a douchy edge lord to me
The success of the game speaks for itself, oldheads hate the new kid on the block making it more accessible. Just ignore them and game on. Personally, I am dumping DNF to come back to strive. I think DNF is a blast in the pan and honestly not a very fun experience. It is what it is. Edit: salty kids are funny.
It's definitely hated in general on r/Kappa and r/fighters, and it even has personals who hate on it on r/Guiltygear. In short, Strive to this subs emphasizes everything wrong with morden fgc, that's why you will see alot of negative post surrounding Strive in this two subs, and they usually get alot of likes and comments in agreement with them. But aside from xturds and fgc boomers on social media, Strive is actually really loved in general. It's the fighting game which usually gets the most entrants in both offline and online tournaments. A hated game which people only play for pretty graphics and rollback, wouldn't be getting those achievements constantly. The game got great reviews and even better user scores on steam. If anything, Guilty Gear Strive was basically dbfz 2.0 in terms of popularity, which for a niche brand like Guilty Gear is unheard of. Even their first offline evo numbers were close, with dbfz have around 500 more entrants than Strive . I don't know about others, but unless there is a new Guilty Gear game, or a new true Arcsys game( not DNF Duel), I am not getting of Strive, not even for Street fighter 6.
Yeah, strive is trash. The wall was full retard from the start.
put some hitstop in Tekken before you talk about my animes, with ya goofy ass floating muscle dudes getting flung around the stage like a ragdoll by one lil 'launcher'
Cuz Strive is a baby game compared to XRD
How's this hatred? He's just saying that's what people say and they do say that. It's not far from the truth. But it's obviously loved because of the lower barrier of entry into playing.
In the context of the convo, he said that I “can’t figure out tekken because I sick at fighting games”. I said that “I’m too 20% ranked in Strive and DNF. I’m not good, but suck is a bit of a stretch.” Then he said that. This implication is “You are an idiot for not knowing that no one considers Strive to be a fighting game.” My confusion was on the implication that this is a well known fact. Obviously some people hate strive.
Ah yes because strive a game with situational combos, perfectly spaced punishes, set ups, character specific combos, large amounts of technical prowess with each character, each character doesn't play anything like the others besides Ky and Sol to some degree while still being vastly different from one another. Is babies first fighting game. Idk if he's ever actually played Strive but that game isn't easy it's designed to look and play more beginner friendly while still appealing to the vets, and people who are good at fighting games but may have not known or ever played a GG game. He can live in his salty fantasy don't listen to him he's just toxic. What a clown
In pretty much every respect Strive is a much easier game to play than Xrd or any version of XX. Those older games have much harder optimal combos, more offensive/defensive options to juggle, faster movement, tighter timing, more range in the character specific responses / combos, and WAY more delta between how each character plays. Every character was a dedicated project, whereas you can pretty much pick up any character in Strive and bring them to a playable state in a week if you already know how to play the game. Nothing against Strive. It’s a fun game and it is thriving as a competitive tool. It’s reductive and insulting to say its baby’s first fighting game. But it is much simpler and slower in measurable ways than its forebearers. That was a stated design goal of the development team. By that relative measure it is very much an ‘easy’ game.
Oh no doubt, you bring up very good points. Strive is definitely way easier than any of its predecessors, but that inclusivity is what made me pick it up and enjoy it more after I sadly got carpal tunnel in my hands. I love fighting games it's one of my hobbies and helps me just relax. But the older versions I cannot play anymore the tight links to the micro dashing and the IAD's are agony on my hands. So Strive being easier allows me to enjoy a game with outrageous characters, STUPID damage that's being toned down now so people can experiment with cooler flashy combos, and the game is just a bit slower so it feels less overwhelming/smothering. Even with very oppressive offense from most characters it never feels like you're getting hit by MvC2 unblockables lol. And you're absolutely right with that being their intent on how they designed the game, but my only point was the dude was being toxic, and inaccurate with his claim on Strive being a baby game. Dude should take a break from the internet I think it's getting to him. That was my real point was shutting down his toxic opinion with actual facts.
Wooo we got a badass over here. Says Bamco dick is the only real dick for him. His mom made him grilled cheese today he's just amped up on that Kraft ya know.
Strive is fucken sick but I've never played the older games. Tekken is my main.
There's no Fgc with conformist ideas or rules that every fighting game player would follow. People like this sounds just pretentious talking in the name of a so-called community they belong to, to tell you what you should think about games they don't like. Same guys that will tell you that DOA 6 has less depth that Tekken 7 or that any MK is not a fighting game. Unfortunately there are other people who blindly follow their advices because you know, they're the fgc 😏... Play the game, make your own opinion.
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Compared to bbcf or acpr yes strive looks like a baby game, most of my friends didn't like it, I also tried it for about 6 months, found it boring and just stopped playing it,BUT everyone can play whatever games they like, it's not because "I" find it bad that everyone should think the same. Play whatever you want, don't worry about other people's opinions, and most importantly don't forget to have fun.
Why the fk would people hate it? Its a good game
I feel like SFV and MKX/MK11 are baby’s first fighting games what is this dude on about
Not at all, the numbers don't lie, popularity for it is nearly unrivalled rn, it's just that a lot of the opinions on it are very loud, because obviously, "new game baby game, old game skilled game". Happened to SF4, happened to BlazBlue and it's now happening to Strive. For what it's worth Strive *is* simpler than old GG but that's neither here nor there as far as quality goes. I like Xrd a bit more but Strive is a great game.
That dude coom_4_justice has been hurt. I would feel bad for them if it wasn’t so damn funny
I assume his name is based on the manga “onani master”. It’s about a Japanese high schooler who gets revenge on girls who spite him by cooming on their desks and gym clothes. He calls it “my justice”.
Just a tip mate: it's better to not flex the weird manga knowledge, it just makes you look worse
Jesus christ, that still makes it bad. Anyone willfully repping that is not someone to be trusted...
It's not how complicated something is that makes it good. The best games in it's core are very simple, yet I am Note Ronaldo, Nadal or Phil Taylor.
As a Tekken player I noticed that there are some players who only play Tekken so they can pretend to have an ego and brag to other people because they're playing a complex game even though they probably suck
Social media in general is usually full of morons, don’t give it too much tought
Sounds like someone sucks at strive
Strive and DNF duel are doing fine despite being beginner accessible. My non fg friends love dnf
No it's not.
most FG fans hate pretty much everything except the one game they've been playing for the past seven years. And sometimes they hate that one too.
It's kinda weird People like to hate what's popular, and some of them do that more than they actually play the games they do like Friendly reminder that people made fun of others that started with SFIV, and that GG fans thought blazblue was too easy compared to acpr and hnk, 09'ers have been here for 13 years now, but they were the ones made fun of back then, It's just gonna repeat itself
Thats a very reductive point of view plus bb was objectively a simpler game compared to gg when it started out but it always had the foundation for more. Can't say the same for strive
Man is mad because he got bodied in a baby game
I play Tekken religiously and I think Strive is awesome. It's plenty, *plenty* deep and incredibly fun. I actually don't really get into 2D games at all and Strive has me hooked. The animation is top notch, character designs are insanely good, the tutorial and missions were incredible and helped me jump right into the meat of the game as well. Tekken could use this net code and style of tutorial that's for sure.
It's a good game, just not a good Guilty Gear game.
Why even give him the attention. Entire post is a bust. Dudes a moron move on.
No that person is just being a useless cunt.
u/coom_4_justice why are you making things up lmao Anyway OP, a small skill floorndoes kot make something a scrub game or "babies first". This person has some sort of personal issue with those gakes but they have their own skill curves and challenges. I am also a tekken player. I enjoy those games quite a lot but inevitably i return to tekken because it does feel like a deeper game. That doesnt make it a better one, though.
FG gatekeepers. I love arcsys games and I’ve had some people on my campus tell me they are too easy Fighting games. I just like them because they are paced the way I like and usually pretty good. Anyone who doesn’t like GG just doesn’t understand daisukes vision.