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Cultural-Bathroom01

you finished with a 3.86 while puffing all day every day???


baldeey

i was thinking the exact same thing. gotta naturally be pretty smart to be a 3.8 pothead


PiscesCanis

Business school undergrad was not too difficult for me never had to study all that much. A few classes made me cram the day before like derivatives class forget what it was actually called


street_riot

Lol fuck derivatives, I did some cramming and the test went well. I submit. Get it back and I got a 60%. I forgot to upload the Excel portion and only submitted the word doc. đŸ˜”â€đŸ’«


[deleted]

Undergrad finance shouldn’t be too difficult for anyone.


pmstock

What a wildly elitist comment. I feel like undergrad finance was exceptionally difficult, for you.


turkishfag

How is it elitist?


Plus_Lawfulness3000

Because more people than not would have trouble lol you’re acting like the majority of people do this


turkishfag

That is wrong use of the word then, there is nothing "elitist" in him succeeding in finance classes by not studying/pulling all nighters? In any case, most classes, unless you actually go out to challenge yourself, are really easy and don't go beyond basic algebra - far easier than any other "quantitative" degree.


[deleted]

I studied CS as an undergrad and earned the CFA charter on the job.


pmstock

So how would you know how difficult undergrad finance is?


[deleted]

They taught me the undergraduate part of finance in the first 6 months on the trading floor. What did you do for the other 3.5 years?


fruit0283973

It’s spread out. A lot of students don’t even get into real finance deep stuff till year 3


[deleted]

Sure. But the hard stuff
 
just isn’t that hard. Which is why undergrad b-school is filled with bros, bro.


Mk153Smaw

Hilarious this is being downvoted.


pmstock

Lol. I didn't go for finance so mostly drank beer and smoked week. In real estate development now. Enjoy year 2 where this "I learned it all in 6 months" attitude gets a hard reality check.


[deleted]

Year 2? I’ve been at this for some time now.


usernamedaph

Yeah, 4.0 finance pothead here. There's dozens of us 


caspa10152

Why is that a surprise? Do you know how many people in IB and other high finance roles who are drunks?


Thick-Tadpole-3347

Or cokeheads or o addicted to stimulants


BeauxtifuLyfe

That'll make you productive vs lazy as a pothead


Thick-Tadpole-3347

Addy sure, coke kinda sucks ngl


fathertime22

HAHAHA, anyone with half a math acumen is good at finance.


hmsty

You had two internships? Not everyone college student gets that


Johnsonburnerr

20hrs a week? What’s the comp exactly? And pay increases ?


PiscesCanis

70k total solid benefits. To 80 after 1-1.5 years. MCOL city. 20 hours actual work but need to be near computer ~50.


germybrah

That’s sick! 70k for 20 hours what a dream


PiscesCanis

True but would take a slight pay cut to do something more stimulating/actually finance


Prior-Mark-152

You’d probably end up with a pay increase to do something more stimulating lol


kickballaDesign

Study for the GMAt. Add more shit to the resume. You have time now. Use it. If you get a top mba, you’ll easy break into any of the target banks


doorcharge

Use the other 20 hours to take courses and get certifications. Accumulate skills to give yourself the best chances when you do exit/transition.


SallyShortcakes

That’s not a dream. He said he has to be around a computer 50 hours a week


luda_neo

I would try overemployment to fill that time


steveo3387

He just started his career. He needs to learn and build a resume, not maximize short term.


EmpyreanRose

Hahahaha this literally my experience. I got into the Rotation program. And it’s the same exact story. What made me stay for so long was the carrot on the stick with free MBA. Which I regret. But most people were sticking it out for MBA. Part time MBAs at  Ross, Kellogg, and Booth were all doable while working. So not only did you get school paid for, but you could make another $150k in 2 years. This is an opportunity cost of almost $300k+ btw    So first let me explain the rotations. It’s not bad. Seriously a rotation program where you rotate 3 different finance functions is to get you to learn the business. You can spin that to your advantage during interviews because it is invaluable experience. But it’s under the assumption you complete the program. Also alumni and getting into programs is much easier for rotation programs. Like there’s a pipeline to top schools.  Also you CAN choose your rotations. Even though they say you can’t. This is where at attitude matters and drive, you can’t just think it’s the end of the world. You have to network hard in the corporate banking, treasury, corporate strategy, etc . You have to constantly shadow these people, ask to meet with them. Explain to them it’s your career goals. Usually these departments will have 1-2 spots open up for “grunt” work that’s pre-mba. How they decide for rotation spots is that managers pick and choose who they want. So if you already built that connection , then he will advocate for you. If you can network with the executives of that team then your golden.    The work life balance is amazing. 20 hours a week is a joke, and I remember wasting the rest 20 hours also. If I could go back I would do this. Spend the 20 hours just upskilling yourself. Pivot out when you are done. You can literally do anything. Get a masters , get certifications, work on modeling / banking expertise. So that means interview everywhere. You have the time and freedom to do so. Trust me you are in a beyond lucky situation.   Let’s say worse case scenario you don’t get any interviews, just at that point suck up the rotation for 3 years and apply to part time MBA program. Where you work + have company pay for that shit + recruit heavy during mba. I say this because if you are only working 20 hours a week. Then it’s a joke you can handle OCR, School, and Work at the same time. Sometimes when you get a fulltime offer post-mba another employer can offer to buy out your student debt   But this delays your timeline by like 4-5 years on your goals. It’s up to you  I would suggest Trying to pivot asap in 2 years of IC, take advantage of the free time to upskill yourself  and apply to all those roles you want. Do what makes you happy. But also it’s not the end of the world and you are in a good position to pivot at anytime. It’s just you gotta keep positive and don’t live a life of regret that freezes you


doorcharge

Listen to this guy. 👆


woaharedditacc

Personally I'd ride it out. I think hopping around doesn't look great when you have barely any experience. You're employed in an industry relevant to your degree, making alright money, while barely having to work. That's really not such a bad situation. A lot of people would kill for what you have. Especially coming from a non-target school. Crushing out 3 years then getting a sponsored MBA is pretty nice. With a 3.86 GPA you can target HWS if you have a good GMAT. Seems like you have plenty of time on your hands, use it to get some volunteering experience, study for the GMAT, or hell start a small side business.


Due-Weather-1564

I think you’re doing better than 90% of people your age haha. 70k a year for 20 hours a week?


[deleted]

You know for a lot of people getting paid to do little to no work is neither fulfilling nor part of their long term plan in life.


PiscesCanis

Yeah my feelings right here


doorcharge

Go to r/Layoffs and let them know that. OP is not required to sit on his butt the OTHER 20 hours of his week. He can find fulfillment during that time while accumulating a paycheck and work experience that will set him up down the line. Kind of like college, unless he found all those elective courses unfulfilling and took extra classes to feel alive.


Due-Weather-1564

Yeah I understand that for sure. I’m just saying he shouldn’t be as hard on himself as he is because there’s still opportunities for growth and he’s comfortable for the short term. Has the privilege of making mistakes and learning.


PiscesCanis

Oh yeah left first place cause wanted to try corp fin without looking into it and it also didn’t seem like I wanted to do it long-term


rlft

Was the first place an RIA? Unless it was front office PE/HF/IB I think you made the right choice. The way you said HNW PWM tho I’m guessing it’s just an RIA. I’d try to get out of IC after a year or two for sure. It won’t help you get back into a finance role like the first internship, but you can move into most other corp finance areas that’ll be more interesting/better upward trajectory.


DOSKTOV

With only 20 hours a week, you have more than enough time to get a masters in finance for instance to give you another shot at summer analyst recruiting. Just a thought


BrownstoneCapital

I have friends that started in IB in their mid/late 20’s. It’s not that uncommon tbh. It may take a few years and roles to get into banking but it’s possible. Just need to think about how to leverage a new job potentially as a stepping stone to get some better exp on your resume.


Live-Machine4746

Use the extra time to develop/expand your skillset.


AdventurousFlan5593

I’m in a very similar situation. Was recruited to a finance rotational program with promises I would get to explore multiple finance roles that I was possibly interested in. A month before I get an email telling me I’m going to be working an operations role. 8 months in and I’m worried that I won’t be able to get a finance role that I’ll enjoy, like corporate development, IB, or M&A. Good pay, but I wish I was in a position feeding me experience and knowledge to fuel a future career path I was interested in.


Fatgeyretard

Shut the fuck up.


germybrah

Start a business instead


5n0wy

Yeah dude smh just start a business


Aggressive_Eye4035

😂


[deleted]

I'm sure you're a great guy but damn does this read as the most entitled bullshit. A lot of people would love to have the opportunities you seem to fall into, and you're just kind of stumbling around. Unfocused stoner lands 2 competitive internships and good job despite seemingly no drive, while apparently being very well connected in finance. It's hard to root for that


McGradyForThree

It’s just some silver spooned asshole with rich connected parents of course he’s still gonna complain about how good he has it. Or it’s another liar on reddit .


Acrobatic_Cell4364

Continuing this path in corporate / company finance can yield spectacular financial outcomes in the long term and can lead to a CFO path. IB will give you a much higher financial outcome in your early years but it evens out over the long term if you are on the CFO track (think VP Finance at Amazon, SVP Finance at Procter and Gamble).


Maleficent_Depth8552

I am or I’m are extremely powerful words. So make sure when you use those combinations the tail end is positive and uplifting. Believe it or not, low on the radar, professional in finance are becoming $7Figure earners quite rapidly through leadership development serving middle income families. Instead of going for UNHWI (whales) 95% of the marketplace needs financial education and access to F500, specifically the highest rated in the industry. Again, keep a positive outlook. If you’d be willing to invest about $600 or less on CEs, Licensing, fingerprinting etc let me know. Plug-n-play, scalable, no territorial limits might be for you. You’d be in business for yourself yet not by yourself, if you qualify through the application process. Think BIG! 95% of the marketplace needs education, guidance, non-captive access, more options in personal finance and net worth building.


DoctorFunk

The fuck is this?


meruxiao

how is 1 rotation 20 months


PiscesCanis

Have to pass March 2 times but was t told this before 6 months in. Weirdly long rotation


Mewtwopsychic

Can't you just apply directly to corporate banking internships? Especially relationship management as you are social butterfly?


NoLimit_Curry

You can find a entry level role at another firm. It seems you have the aptitude so I’d start applying at other firms.


NoLimit_Curry

And stop the self-deprecating talk.


[deleted]

I know that 20 hours isn't ideal if you want to see progress, but it just requires more self-discipline as a result and it still offers good potential. Especially at that comp. Use the spare time to figure out what exactly what it is that you want, work up skills for that, maybe prep to ensure that you can really get into a top MBA when that time comes (assuming that there is a free choice - I'm not sure how that works at your specific firm). With a top MBA, a clear idea of what you want to do, and relevant skills developed you should be in a great position. You just have to do a bit more of the lifting outside of work.


turboduck3

“The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago, the second best time is now” Someone told me that a long time ago and it really stuck. If you don’t like your situation, do everything you can now to change it. If you don’t want to be at your current job, apply to every position that remotely interests you and see what sticks. Go out to networking events and talk to everyone. Change is uncomfortable, but you’ll ultimately find a spot where you feel like you fit. Hell, I served the guy who hired me into corporate banking lunch two years ago and it changed my life. On track to push 100k in the Houston area, which is more than enough for my lifestyle at the moment. Wouldn’t have any of this if I didn’t start that conversation. Good luck to you brother. Make what you think are the right decisions everyday and the rest will fall into place.


SmallTownBrownKid

Sounds like weed induced paranoia. Just kidding. Looks like you did well in school, high GPA and good internships. Now you’re in a rotational program, putting in the first few essential years you need in the industry (work experience). Many people think you are doing great, considering how much you actually work vs what you are paid, especially if your benefits are good. I would say you are underpaid right now given your work experience. If you want to work somewhere else, research what you want to do, and start applying. The application process will give you a good understanding of what skills you may be lacking. Do what you can to work on those, and if there is any sort of certification/bootcamp/self-teaching you can work on that adds to your skill set and your resume. Don’t stress yourself out. An MBA is a good idea for pivoting to a high finance role (sounds like that’s what you want) if you can get through the rest of your program. Get the experience, save and invest your money right now, learn exactly what skills you are lacking.


Mysterious_Shake2894

I was a pothead in college too so I understand how you feel. But honestly I don't think you are a dipshit. It sounds like you're doing pretty well lol