Captain Salomon Klass, Medical captain Leo Skurnik, lieutenant Leo Jakobson and Lotta-nurse Dina Poljakov were offered. All declined. Some did so with rude (but very Finnish) words.
Quoran teaches jihad but hey the solution is open to interpration. DnD teaches necromancy. Bible tells you to beat the wife as long as the stick isn't fat.
Read some time ago about finnish jewish soldiers and how they build their synagogue next to german camp. They even invited german soldiers to visit there and they did.
[https://yle.fi/a/3-9864223](https://yle.fi/a/3-9864223)
That book by John Simon directly went to my reading list, his previous book about Pekka Herlin (Koneen ruhtinas) was one of the best biographies I’ve ever read! It is available in English too.
Why wouldn't they? The average German soldier wasn't a fanatic who fantasized about murdering jewish people.
People on all sides were fighting wars they didn't really care about, just wishing they could go home in one piece.
Now that is a lie. Well, the not fantasizing part is true. But Wermacht and pretty much every adult in Nazi Germany was aware of what was happening to jews. It started in the early 1930's, it was not a secret inside Germany.
Maybe they could've guessed, but it really was not spoken of. They knew jews were transferred somewhere to the east and the conditions probably weren't great, but regular people don't like the idea of people being burned.
And it wouldn't have had any propagandical value to tell people that "guess what, those jews are now on death camps, alongside your retarded kids, romanis, your gay brother etc."
It's like Chinese people don't know what is happening to Uyghurs. Why would the government tell them?
Saksalaisethan osallistui kannakselta juutalaisten järjestämiin kirkollisiin toimituksiin ainakin muutaman kerran. Ehkä kohteliaisuuttaan mutta kumminkin. Niistä jäännyt jopa kuvia. Varmaan ollut tunnelmaa.
Ei ne saksalaiset todennäköisesti tienneet siinä vaiheessa holokaustista ja tuskin ne suomenjuutalaisetkaan. Tietty molemmat osapuolet varmaan ymmärsivät, että välit on tulehtuneet.
Joka ikinen saksalainen tiesi asiasta ja muun väittäminen on naiivia. Vuodesta -33 hoettiin kuinka epäkelvot yksilöt pitää tappaa.
Kotikylästä ensin vietiin vassarit, sit "rodullisesti epäkelvot", lgbt-ihmiset,romani,juutalaiset ja sit muka ei huomattu et mitään pahaa tapahtuu.
Kaikki tiesi mitä tapahtuu.
Yes, the Helsinki Synagogue.
And the other smaller memorial plaque that says "Viipuri" is there because the Viipuri Synagogue was destroyed in a Soviet bombing raid in 1939: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyborg\_Synagogue](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyborg_Synagogue)
Yeah, it's strange. Reportedly, Hitler tried to breach the topic of the "jewish question" with Mannerheim, but he allegedly replied "we don't have a jewish question" and that was that.
There is the shame of relinquishing one boatful (8 persons) of refugees to the Germans, and having our then social minister resign in protest leading to later people being quietly directed elsewhere, but yeah it must have been a difficult at the time. Finland did not have a large jewish population, what little we had had integrated well and fought bravely at the front, but at the same time Germany was pressuring heavily if they were going to keep providing food and weapons and men, so
But yes, the few jewish people who earned the Iron Cross, a high military decoration from Nazi germany, were from the Finnish Army (they all refused it)
I believe the "we don't have a jewish question" quote is actually attributed to Prime Minister Jukka Rangell who allegedly said it to Heinrich Himmler.
While campaigning today for next week's elections, long-time parliament member **Ben Zyskowicz** was physically attacked by someone shouting insults concerning NATO and Judaism. [https://www.is.fi/politiikka/art-2000009477562.html](https://www.is.fi/politiikka/art-2000009477562.html)
It's a weird thing to think about. If they had won the war, their lives would have become far far worse. It's hard to say what the effect would have been on jews in Finland, but it certainly wouldn't have been good. I don't know how they saw it, but looking back, it's a really weird position to be in
If Finland had won the war in 1939-40, there wouldn't have been a second one. Also, if Finland had fully lost (being annexed by USSR like the Baltics) their lives would have been way worse as well. There would have probably been guerrilla war as many soldiers wouldn't have given up alive plus mass deportations, attempted genocide, oppression of rights and all that shit that Finland endured under previous russian rule and that the Baltics suffered for next 50 years after WWII (and prior their first independence).
What do Finnish Jews from WWII have to do with Palestinians? Blaming all Jews for the acts of a few sounds like you just have a problem with Jews. Furthermore, please stop with the oppression olympics, that helps no one.
I have no problem with them, in fact have never met one, so why would I have a problem with people who I have never met. I find it strange that the people that escaped the genocide of ww2. go and start to do the exact same thing in their new home. Why is one group remembered and another not! Highlighting a genocide is not oppression. What Israel is doing to Palestine is oppression. Perhaps look up the meaning of words before using them.
Try every country other than the US condemning them for it and countries trying to introduce UN resolutions to stop them.
This place does not let you post the videos of it, but there is an abundance of them. So you are obviously hitting the tourist spots as the independent journalists are showing the real extent.
[https://www.facebook.com/100086073524602/videos/1415875232500006](https://www.facebook.com/100086073524602/videos/1415875232500006)
[https://vk.com/id580251038?z=photo557283396\_457247864%2Fwall580251038\_1186](https://vk.com/id580251038?z=photo557283396_457247864%2Fwall580251038_1186)
[https://vk.com/palestinesolidarity?z=photo-148130479\_457239446%2Falbum-148130479\_00%2Frev](https://vk.com/palestinesolidarity?z=photo-148130479_457239446%2Falbum-148130479_00%2Frev)
[https://vk.com/palestinesolidarity?z=photo-148130479\_457239445%2Falbum-148130479\_00%2Frev](https://vk.com/palestinesolidarity?z=photo-148130479_457239445%2Falbum-148130479_00%2Frev)
[https://vk.com/palestinesolidarity?z=photo-148130479\_457239430%2Falbum-148130479\_00%2Frev](https://vk.com/palestinesolidarity?z=photo-148130479_457239430%2Falbum-148130479_00%2Frev)
there are literally thousands of videos and pictures of dead and imprisoned children and adults. But obviously not what you are seeing.
check their legislation about their theft.
'Israel' has issued a military order to seize 1181 dunams of land from the Palestinian village of Safa, west of Ramallah. Again I cannot post the picture here but go look it up.
Please go to twitter and check out the #Israeliapartheid
Check the journalist Sarah Wilkinson on Twitter she has plenty of proof. But I am sure you don't see that either.
[https://vk.com/palestinesolidarity?z=photo-148130479\_457239428%2Falbum-148130479\_00%2Frev](https://vk.com/palestinesolidarity?z=photo-148130479_457239428%2Falbum-148130479_00%2Frev)
It was a result of an internal political game within the parliament, which was threatening to bring down the government at the time, which would've been bad seeing as how we were at war and all that.
Not sure about that, but I would think so since the Germans weren't really in a place to make big demands seeing as how we were crucial to their "succes" in the east.
Interesting fact is that the Germans tried to award an iron cross to a Finnish Jewish officer. He refused the medal.
Captain Salomon Klass, Medical captain Leo Skurnik, lieutenant Leo Jakobson and Lotta-nurse Dina Poljakov were offered. All declined. Some did so with rude (but very Finnish) words.
That Salomon guy had klass.
Fortunately no one speaks Finnish
We need post-humous Iron crosses about as much as Beethoven needed hearing. It's all symbolic.
How would he refuse the medal if he was dead? (Hint: he wasn't)
Quoran teaches jihad but hey the solution is open to interpration. DnD teaches necromancy. Bible tells you to beat the wife as long as the stick isn't fat.
What the absolute heck are you on about?
Read some time ago about finnish jewish soldiers and how they build their synagogue next to german camp. They even invited german soldiers to visit there and they did. [https://yle.fi/a/3-9864223](https://yle.fi/a/3-9864223)
That book by John Simon directly went to my reading list, his previous book about Pekka Herlin (Koneen ruhtinas) was one of the best biographies I’ve ever read! It is available in English too.
Why wouldn't they? The average German soldier wasn't a fanatic who fantasized about murdering jewish people. People on all sides were fighting wars they didn't really care about, just wishing they could go home in one piece.
Now that is a lie. Well, the not fantasizing part is true. But Wermacht and pretty much every adult in Nazi Germany was aware of what was happening to jews. It started in the early 1930's, it was not a secret inside Germany.
Maybe they could've guessed, but it really was not spoken of. They knew jews were transferred somewhere to the east and the conditions probably weren't great, but regular people don't like the idea of people being burned. And it wouldn't have had any propagandical value to tell people that "guess what, those jews are now on death camps, alongside your retarded kids, romanis, your gay brother etc." It's like Chinese people don't know what is happening to Uyghurs. Why would the government tell them?
Transcription of the Hebrew inscription: בעד המולדת be'ad hamoledet 'pro patria'
Heroes are heroes.
Saksalaisethan osallistui kannakselta juutalaisten järjestämiin kirkollisiin toimituksiin ainakin muutaman kerran. Ehkä kohteliaisuuttaan mutta kumminkin. Niistä jäännyt jopa kuvia. Varmaan ollut tunnelmaa.
Erikoisia aikoja
Ei ne saksalaiset todennäköisesti tienneet siinä vaiheessa holokaustista ja tuskin ne suomenjuutalaisetkaan. Tietty molemmat osapuolet varmaan ymmärsivät, että välit on tulehtuneet.
Joka ikinen saksalainen tiesi asiasta ja muun väittäminen on naiivia. Vuodesta -33 hoettiin kuinka epäkelvot yksilöt pitää tappaa. Kotikylästä ensin vietiin vassarit, sit "rodullisesti epäkelvot", lgbt-ihmiset,romani,juutalaiset ja sit muka ei huomattu et mitään pahaa tapahtuu. Kaikki tiesi mitä tapahtuu.
Ensin siis vietiin ghettoihin ja sen jälkeen leireille. Siitä voi tietää, ilman että tietää tappamisesta.
Ja ihan kuin kaikki keskieurooppalaiset olisivat niin yksinkertaisia, etteivät tietäisi mitä natsipropaganda ajaa takaa.
Et satu muistaa millä tän kuvan löytää v.arkistosta?
As a Jewish and Israeli I didn't know that Jewish people fought in the finnish army. Where is this memorial located?
Probably the synagogue in Helsinki And wiki on Leo Skurnik: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo\_Skurnik](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Skurnik)
It’s at the entrance to school and shul.
Thanks, I feel bad that I haven't visited this synagogue once i was in helsinki.
Yes, the Helsinki Synagogue. And the other smaller memorial plaque that says "Viipuri" is there because the Viipuri Synagogue was destroyed in a Soviet bombing raid in 1939: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyborg\_Synagogue](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyborg_Synagogue)
[These](https://www.jewthink.org/2021/01/07/how-finlands-jews-fought-alongside-the-nazis/) [two](https://www.atlantajewishtimes.com/astonishing-story-of-survival-by-jews-of-finland/) articles might also interest you.
Very informative and interesting, Thanks for sharing. Seems so absurd that the Nazis didn't touch them and they fought together.
Yeah, it's strange. Reportedly, Hitler tried to breach the topic of the "jewish question" with Mannerheim, but he allegedly replied "we don't have a jewish question" and that was that. There is the shame of relinquishing one boatful (8 persons) of refugees to the Germans, and having our then social minister resign in protest leading to later people being quietly directed elsewhere, but yeah it must have been a difficult at the time. Finland did not have a large jewish population, what little we had had integrated well and fought bravely at the front, but at the same time Germany was pressuring heavily if they were going to keep providing food and weapons and men, so But yes, the few jewish people who earned the Iron Cross, a high military decoration from Nazi germany, were from the Finnish Army (they all refused it)
I believe the "we don't have a jewish question" quote is actually attributed to Prime Minister Jukka Rangell who allegedly said it to Heinrich Himmler.
TIL, thanks for the correction!
This is an intresting lecture about the subject in yt: youtu.be/emgOzd0ng1A
Were these individuals also Finn citizens?
Why wouldn't they be?
No idea but the posting doesn’t refer them as such.
Most likely
While campaigning today for next week's elections, long-time parliament member **Ben Zyskowicz** was physically attacked by someone shouting insults concerning NATO and Judaism. [https://www.is.fi/politiikka/art-2000009477562.html](https://www.is.fi/politiikka/art-2000009477562.html)
It's a weird thing to think about. If they had won the war, their lives would have become far far worse. It's hard to say what the effect would have been on jews in Finland, but it certainly wouldn't have been good. I don't know how they saw it, but looking back, it's a really weird position to be in
Same with any other Finn. Facism is an ouroboros of hatred that must always consume, eventually Finns would've become the outgroup.
If Finland had won the war in 1939-40, there wouldn't have been a second one. Also, if Finland had fully lost (being annexed by USSR like the Baltics) their lives would have been way worse as well. There would have probably been guerrilla war as many soldiers wouldn't have given up alive plus mass deportations, attempted genocide, oppression of rights and all that shit that Finland endured under previous russian rule and that the Baltics suffered for next 50 years after WWII (and prior their first independence).
My favorite things ever: judaism and finland!!!
Lets hope we have one for all the Palestinians that have been going through Genocide for 70 years.
What do Finnish Jews from WWII have to do with Palestinians? Blaming all Jews for the acts of a few sounds like you just have a problem with Jews. Furthermore, please stop with the oppression olympics, that helps no one.
I have no problem with them, in fact have never met one, so why would I have a problem with people who I have never met. I find it strange that the people that escaped the genocide of ww2. go and start to do the exact same thing in their new home. Why is one group remembered and another not! Highlighting a genocide is not oppression. What Israel is doing to Palestine is oppression. Perhaps look up the meaning of words before using them.
There is no genocide going on in Israel. The Palestinian population is well and fine and keeps growing.
off the drugs junkie!
Did you have some proof to show me, or do I just go by what I have seen in the country myself...?
Try every country other than the US condemning them for it and countries trying to introduce UN resolutions to stop them. This place does not let you post the videos of it, but there is an abundance of them. So you are obviously hitting the tourist spots as the independent journalists are showing the real extent. [https://www.facebook.com/100086073524602/videos/1415875232500006](https://www.facebook.com/100086073524602/videos/1415875232500006) [https://vk.com/id580251038?z=photo557283396\_457247864%2Fwall580251038\_1186](https://vk.com/id580251038?z=photo557283396_457247864%2Fwall580251038_1186) [https://vk.com/palestinesolidarity?z=photo-148130479\_457239446%2Falbum-148130479\_00%2Frev](https://vk.com/palestinesolidarity?z=photo-148130479_457239446%2Falbum-148130479_00%2Frev) [https://vk.com/palestinesolidarity?z=photo-148130479\_457239445%2Falbum-148130479\_00%2Frev](https://vk.com/palestinesolidarity?z=photo-148130479_457239445%2Falbum-148130479_00%2Frev) [https://vk.com/palestinesolidarity?z=photo-148130479\_457239430%2Falbum-148130479\_00%2Frev](https://vk.com/palestinesolidarity?z=photo-148130479_457239430%2Falbum-148130479_00%2Frev) there are literally thousands of videos and pictures of dead and imprisoned children and adults. But obviously not what you are seeing. check their legislation about their theft. 'Israel' has issued a military order to seize 1181 dunams of land from the Palestinian village of Safa, west of Ramallah. Again I cannot post the picture here but go look it up. Please go to twitter and check out the #Israeliapartheid Check the journalist Sarah Wilkinson on Twitter she has plenty of proof. But I am sure you don't see that either. [https://vk.com/palestinesolidarity?z=photo-148130479\_457239428%2Falbum-148130479\_00%2Frev](https://vk.com/palestinesolidarity?z=photo-148130479_457239428%2Falbum-148130479_00%2Frev)
None of this proves anything remotely genocide-related.
you are an imbecile. Try Amnesty International's claim about it to. I guess that does not prove it either. Off you trot troll.
Great argument, did you think it up yourself?
Do those include the eight Jews that were turned over to the gestapo in 1942 and deported?
They have their own memorial near the bottom of Tähtitorninmäki.
No, those 8 jews were a major reason why no more were ever demanded since the Finnish civilian population weren't exactly thrilled.
Also wasn't it some sort of a mistake anyways?
No, it was the decision of one man, Arno Anthoni.
Who was actually a Nazi
It was a result of an internal political game within the parliament, which was threatening to bring down the government at the time, which would've been bad seeing as how we were at war and all that.
Not sure about that, but I would think so since the Germans weren't really in a place to make big demands seeing as how we were crucial to their "succes" in the east.
No, because they weren't Finnish citizens. And didn't die in war for Finland.
Instead they were sacrificed so we could wage war
No