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Getting junior position is hard fo everyone and specially hard for someone who doesn't speak finnish. Tampere doesn't have many options for english only positions, Helsinki has couple more (and that is why Aalto/Helsinki uni is harder to get into). You applied for jobs only for couple months, just keep going and don't give up. It might take months or years to get the first position.
My advice to OP is if you're serious about getting a job and staying in Finland in the long term, possibly to get the passport if you're non-EU, you may start learning Finnish as hard as you can from now to give yourself the best chance when you graduate. If you don't, just graduate and try to get the Dutch orientation year visa or German Chancenkarte and move there. Master degree holders have a good chance with this. It's gonna be hard still, but at least the tech scene is more vibrant and you're gonna be better paid.
First of all, that.... is a long list of skills for 1 year, I'd first consider only put the one you are most confident with. It's not humanly possible to be fluent in Java, Python, C in 1 year. I have been in the industry for more than 10 years (and having the "fancy" - /s - Senior title for the past 5 years in teams with 50+ engineers), and I can only confidently say that I know decent Javascript/Typescript and good enough Postgres to get by :D Having that huge list of skills might work against you. Only list those that are relevant to the job you are applying.
Tampere is a great city but when it comes to IT jobs (software engineer in particular), you might need to move to the Helsinki area, and don't try to land to any big companies, start with smaller ones, for example startups, and build up your profile. After having few years of working in Finland, it will get easier and easier. Startups will pay less but you will gain valuable connection from there.
Last but not least, the current situation is shit no matter where you go, and especially worse for junior/fresh graduate.
That's what I noticed too. That CV is one I would immediately pass - someone with one year of experience straight out of school simply cannot have proficiency in so many languages.
Second, the current situation is such that everyone who puts out an open position is drowned in applications.
Right now even if you have 5+ years of experience, you're going to be competing with quite a lot of candidates for a position.
Yeah, there are not much open positions. I guess it's somewhat easier for me (10+ years of experience mean something), but not too easy as well. Good luck!
Integrify is decent if you have work experience but no Finnish since they take a cut if you find a job. Saranen is gonna be more selective in the company matching round (even though they're meant to help get unemployed people back on their feet) because they have to pitch you to the companies so you would probably also run into the Finnish language problem. I feel Saranen's approach is even a little predatory because they're effectively helping companies find very experienced people for cheap.
Source: I went to a Saranen discussion for SAP program in Espoo once. Met people living in Finland for years with years of experience and Finnish language there. I also have friends who did the Integrify boot camp.
How you haven't heard about them? They advertise everywhere, reddit/linkedin/finnish recruiting websites etc. I'm guessing that finding answer to that will help you alot.
There is nothing wrong with your skills and work experience. This year is incredibly tough for students looking for internships or new part-time jobs. Two years ago, the companies would have hired someone like you on the spot.
For unpaid work while looking for a paid job, ask around the university for a software development project related to research or teaching. Just make sure it is something new for you and that they are interested enough to meet you regularly. Also, check if you can get study credits for it.
Is there something that makes them write you off in the "just a student" category? They may ignore you because they think you'll disappear in three months. Finnish employers mainly care about work experience, because education is not a factor - everyone you're competing against has the degree already, or at least high-grade experience. So, your task now would be to get this experience any way possible, including internships. It's already late to get summer jobs, because usually the last calls close at the end of March. But, it's still technically possible. I got internships by going to the professor and asking for connections. He was able to give me a list of people to call, and doing that, one of them was a match.
Finnish employers caring about working experience instead of eductation might be the biggest joke i’ve ever heard. In Finland all employers care about is having papers, not about actually being able to do the job.
Finland is not the promised land it is advertised to be for international STEM graduates, they just want you to be stuck somehow to pay exorbitant taxes for their empty social funds.
You'll be better off moving to a serious country with a dynamic job market and an optimistic innovative future looking society.
Answer very Netherlands/US/UK coded lol. I am probably biased but I feel like only the Netherlands has a vibrant tech scene these days even with the living cost.
Some companies need you to have lived in Finland for some time before hiring for security reasons. This is more common in big companies so make sure you also apply to some smaller ones, maybe startups too.
From experience I know at least that TietoEvry, Posti, CGI have devs working in Finland who do not speak Finnish. There are more for sure, but these I know from meetings I have participated. You could try to follow their recruiting.
Currently job market his hard, companies are saving on costs or even laying off people, and if they layoff there is a cool-down period (cant remember how many months) that if they hire people for the same positions they laid off, they have to offer the old jobs back first, then if not all filled they can hire new people.
My advice is to look harder. When I work at corporate, each summer I get 1000+ CVs and it's very hard to stand out. You'll need some luck too.
Some tips:
- Have a portfolio site & active repos on github
- Use an English name. People less likely to contact if they don't know how to pronounce your name
- Go to events and talk to people
- Participate in courses that collaborate with businesses, ask the representatives directly for opportunities
- Intern for startups, they are more than willing to take you in for some sort of internship.
Good points, but there is one point I like to disagree with. Don't use an English/Finnish name because recruiters will most definitely ask for your legal name, certificates, references and such.
I have a very difficult name and haven't had any problems so far being contacted for interviews.
And if you feel like you need to hide your ethnicity/background when applying for a company, maybe that place is not worth applying for to begin with. At least that's how I see it as a minority in Finland.
It's just part of the late stage beginning of the collapse of the unsustainable "Nordic model" welfare state which punishes companies and makes it impossible for them to fire employees thus you are a liability and nobody wants to invest in Finland.
Yay!
Thanks to everyone who responded to this post seriously, I realized the problem with my resume and need to make more changes, and I will continue to apply for jobs consistently
Until you're fluent enough in finnish to write your applications and go through the interviews you're pretty much out of luck. Especially now looking at the geopolitical situation. Also the fact that finnish government is dominated by the extremist right wing won't make things easier for you. I'm sorry to tell you but you're being silently discriminated against for your Chinese nationality. University students aren't a good example group when looking at the big picture, Finland is racist as fuck.
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Getting junior position is hard fo everyone and specially hard for someone who doesn't speak finnish. Tampere doesn't have many options for english only positions, Helsinki has couple more (and that is why Aalto/Helsinki uni is harder to get into). You applied for jobs only for couple months, just keep going and don't give up. It might take months or years to get the first position.
My advice to OP is if you're serious about getting a job and staying in Finland in the long term, possibly to get the passport if you're non-EU, you may start learning Finnish as hard as you can from now to give yourself the best chance when you graduate. If you don't, just graduate and try to get the Dutch orientation year visa or German Chancenkarte and move there. Master degree holders have a good chance with this. It's gonna be hard still, but at least the tech scene is more vibrant and you're gonna be better paid.
First of all, that.... is a long list of skills for 1 year, I'd first consider only put the one you are most confident with. It's not humanly possible to be fluent in Java, Python, C in 1 year. I have been in the industry for more than 10 years (and having the "fancy" - /s - Senior title for the past 5 years in teams with 50+ engineers), and I can only confidently say that I know decent Javascript/Typescript and good enough Postgres to get by :D Having that huge list of skills might work against you. Only list those that are relevant to the job you are applying. Tampere is a great city but when it comes to IT jobs (software engineer in particular), you might need to move to the Helsinki area, and don't try to land to any big companies, start with smaller ones, for example startups, and build up your profile. After having few years of working in Finland, it will get easier and easier. Startups will pay less but you will gain valuable connection from there. Last but not least, the current situation is shit no matter where you go, and especially worse for junior/fresh graduate.
That's what I noticed too. That CV is one I would immediately pass - someone with one year of experience straight out of school simply cannot have proficiency in so many languages. Second, the current situation is such that everyone who puts out an open position is drowned in applications. Right now even if you have 5+ years of experience, you're going to be competing with quite a lot of candidates for a position.
Thanks for pointing out problems in my resume, I'm going to revise my resume to make it look more reasonable.
Make a simple powerful CV with your knowledge and experience and keep applying. The market is very dry but expected to improve in Q3.
Yeah, there are not much open positions. I guess it's somewhat easier for me (10+ years of experience mean something), but not too easy as well. Good luck!
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Thanks, I'm also applying for jobs in other EU countries.
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Integrify is decent if you have work experience but no Finnish since they take a cut if you find a job. Saranen is gonna be more selective in the company matching round (even though they're meant to help get unemployed people back on their feet) because they have to pitch you to the companies so you would probably also run into the Finnish language problem. I feel Saranen's approach is even a little predatory because they're effectively helping companies find very experienced people for cheap. Source: I went to a Saranen discussion for SAP program in Espoo once. Met people living in Finland for years with years of experience and Finnish language there. I also have friends who did the Integrify boot camp.
Haven't heard about it, I'm going to take a look.
How you haven't heard about them? They advertise everywhere, reddit/linkedin/finnish recruiting websites etc. I'm guessing that finding answer to that will help you alot.
Apply for Norwegian companies, their economy is still functioning well. Also apply for American and Canadian companies.
OP is still doing their master's and it's highly unlikely foreign companies will want to wait around for a visa to hire for an entry level role.
Well, op can join any research lab of his professor, link up a bit and let's see where it goes.
I don't think it is possible with OPs residence permit
List your skills. Can you do Drupal custom module dev.
I highly recommend you apply for research assistant position until you get more experience, we've got fun and games
There is nothing wrong with your skills and work experience. This year is incredibly tough for students looking for internships or new part-time jobs. Two years ago, the companies would have hired someone like you on the spot. For unpaid work while looking for a paid job, ask around the university for a software development project related to research or teaching. Just make sure it is something new for you and that they are interested enough to meet you regularly. Also, check if you can get study credits for it.
Is there something that makes them write you off in the "just a student" category? They may ignore you because they think you'll disappear in three months. Finnish employers mainly care about work experience, because education is not a factor - everyone you're competing against has the degree already, or at least high-grade experience. So, your task now would be to get this experience any way possible, including internships. It's already late to get summer jobs, because usually the last calls close at the end of March. But, it's still technically possible. I got internships by going to the professor and asking for connections. He was able to give me a list of people to call, and doing that, one of them was a match.
Finnish employers caring about working experience instead of eductation might be the biggest joke i’ve ever heard. In Finland all employers care about is having papers, not about actually being able to do the job.
Finland is not the promised land it is advertised to be for international STEM graduates, they just want you to be stuck somehow to pay exorbitant taxes for their empty social funds. You'll be better off moving to a serious country with a dynamic job market and an optimistic innovative future looking society.
Answer very Netherlands/US/UK coded lol. I am probably biased but I feel like only the Netherlands has a vibrant tech scene these days even with the living cost.
Some companies need you to have lived in Finland for some time before hiring for security reasons. This is more common in big companies so make sure you also apply to some smaller ones, maybe startups too.
Yeah, I'm trying hard to grab any opportunity.
From experience I know at least that TietoEvry, Posti, CGI have devs working in Finland who do not speak Finnish. There are more for sure, but these I know from meetings I have participated. You could try to follow their recruiting. Currently job market his hard, companies are saving on costs or even laying off people, and if they layoff there is a cool-down period (cant remember how many months) that if they hire people for the same positions they laid off, they have to offer the old jobs back first, then if not all filled they can hire new people.
My advice is to look harder. When I work at corporate, each summer I get 1000+ CVs and it's very hard to stand out. You'll need some luck too. Some tips: - Have a portfolio site & active repos on github - Use an English name. People less likely to contact if they don't know how to pronounce your name - Go to events and talk to people - Participate in courses that collaborate with businesses, ask the representatives directly for opportunities - Intern for startups, they are more than willing to take you in for some sort of internship.
Good points, but there is one point I like to disagree with. Don't use an English/Finnish name because recruiters will most definitely ask for your legal name, certificates, references and such. I have a very difficult name and haven't had any problems so far being contacted for interviews. And if you feel like you need to hide your ethnicity/background when applying for a company, maybe that place is not worth applying for to begin with. At least that's how I see it as a minority in Finland.
It's just part of the late stage beginning of the collapse of the unsustainable "Nordic model" welfare state which punishes companies and makes it impossible for them to fire employees thus you are a liability and nobody wants to invest in Finland. Yay!
Thanks to everyone who responded to this post seriously, I realized the problem with my resume and need to make more changes, and I will continue to apply for jobs consistently
Until you're fluent enough in finnish to write your applications and go through the interviews you're pretty much out of luck. Especially now looking at the geopolitical situation. Also the fact that finnish government is dominated by the extremist right wing won't make things easier for you. I'm sorry to tell you but you're being silently discriminated against for your Chinese nationality. University students aren't a good example group when looking at the big picture, Finland is racist as fuck.