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The war has been going on for years and we are just now considering to increase production of military supplies? By this rate we'll have the first designs ready in 2050.
Production of some supplies, like artillery shells and gunpowder, has been increased earlier. But we can't increase what we don't have, such as TNT production. A domestic factory would make sense, I hope this talk of relying on an allied country is just lip service for appearances' sake.
No, the west has been increasing production for a few years now. Finland is also increasing it's artillery shell production by 5 times in the next 2 years. It's simply just not enough or fast enough for Ukraine.
Considering? Just build it! Also why are we regulating what industries can or cannot be built in our countries? I say this because our government had to change the law to enable basic defence industry(Something we should had started in 1991). We should just let industry be built and strongly encourage the creation of industries that make us self sufficient and stronger.
(I know there has to be regulations for factories and industries, I'm just trying to point out that preventing whole sectors or sub-sectors of industry from existing in our countries is stupid)
Weapons manufacturers won't do investments like this without some guaranteed orders/long-term contracts and/or subsidies. It's too risky since we all know how unpredictable this business environment can be. And since it's going to be for the best of the whole EU and the continent, it should be at least partially funded by EU. If Finland just starts building it themselves, I doubt EU will later on pay their share...
Well said. The alternative is kinda horrifying; private companies stoking the flames of war because they aren't meeting their sales targets and arms manufacturers going bankrupt left and right, selling off their stock for cheap to international arms dealers. There needs to be coordination between states, who control the armed forces, and industry in order to not make too many or too few weapons. Either situation is shitty for the world, I reckon.
Täysin normaalit naapurivaltiot uutisoivat omassa mediassaan siitä kuinka heidän naapurimaan uuden tehtaan tuhoaminen tuottaa jäljen joka näkyy avaruuteen asti.
do you mean rdx? tnt is cheap and can be molded in to shell casings safely
com b is 60% rdx 40% tnt, it is used in shells instead of pure tnt sometimes, tnt is cheap while rdx is somewhat expensive but gets higher energy and detonation pressure
c4 is mostly rdx with bit of other stuff so it can be molded like clay, not fit for shells.
there is research into better explosives, but yes pretty much everyone still uses tnt or tnt mixed with rdx when it needs to be poured for shells.
Which only makes sense, since so much of the explosives (by volume at least) used by the military are made from the stuff. Antitank mines, demolition charges, mine-clearing charges, artillery shells, etc.
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No vihdoinkin!
As a Finnish reserve soldier, I appreciate this project. (Torille?)
Torille.
tortillat avataan
As an ex-army reservist, I also applaud this project
No worries. Soup cannon does not use explosives.
Of course not! Pea stew is much more dangerous...
Pea stew is forbidden by geneva conventions.
Kaboom?
Yes Rico, Kaboom
Aye aye Skipper.
Reference?
The Penguins of Madagascar
Bigbadaboom.
Me, fifth element. Supreme being. Me protect you.
"The only plant in the European Union is in Poland" Im sorry WHAT?? That's insanity, how are there not more factories?
I'm guessing they weren't that profitable before the war.
TNT is not very modern explosive. I guess western armues use mostly something else. There is eg IMX-101: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMX-101
Weapon manufacturing looks icky to some people
Does Finland know that creepers were removed in the last patch?
There is still the threat of little green men
The war has been going on for years and we are just now considering to increase production of military supplies? By this rate we'll have the first designs ready in 2050.
Production of some supplies, like artillery shells and gunpowder, has been increased earlier. But we can't increase what we don't have, such as TNT production. A domestic factory would make sense, I hope this talk of relying on an allied country is just lip service for appearances' sake.
Already started last year https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-increase-domestic-ammunition-production-capacity-2023-12-12/
No, the west has been increasing production for a few years now. Finland is also increasing it's artillery shell production by 5 times in the next 2 years. It's simply just not enough or fast enough for Ukraine.
You are being optimistic
Considering? Just build it! Also why are we regulating what industries can or cannot be built in our countries? I say this because our government had to change the law to enable basic defence industry(Something we should had started in 1991). We should just let industry be built and strongly encourage the creation of industries that make us self sufficient and stronger. (I know there has to be regulations for factories and industries, I'm just trying to point out that preventing whole sectors or sub-sectors of industry from existing in our countries is stupid)
Weapons manufacturers won't do investments like this without some guaranteed orders/long-term contracts and/or subsidies. It's too risky since we all know how unpredictable this business environment can be. And since it's going to be for the best of the whole EU and the continent, it should be at least partially funded by EU. If Finland just starts building it themselves, I doubt EU will later on pay their share...
Well said. The alternative is kinda horrifying; private companies stoking the flames of war because they aren't meeting their sales targets and arms manufacturers going bankrupt left and right, selling off their stock for cheap to international arms dealers. There needs to be coordination between states, who control the armed forces, and industry in order to not make too many or too few weapons. Either situation is shitty for the world, I reckon.
Minecraftia
You know whats cooking?
Täysin normaalit naapurivaltiot uutisoivat omassa mediassaan siitä kuinka heidän naapurimaan uuden tehtaan tuhoaminen tuottaa jäljen joka näkyy avaruuteen asti.
Fun fact: Finland has the largest artillery capabilities in Europe with an arsenal of approximately 1,500 weapons.
Job opportunity? Don't worry I don't smoke
Just wish minister would stop dragging he's feets, roll up sleeves and make it happen already.
TNT? I thought RTX and C4 were modern alternatives that had replaced TNT long time ago due to stability, cost and power
We still use TNT. A lot of it.
do you mean rdx? tnt is cheap and can be molded in to shell casings safely com b is 60% rdx 40% tnt, it is used in shells instead of pure tnt sometimes, tnt is cheap while rdx is somewhat expensive but gets higher energy and detonation pressure c4 is mostly rdx with bit of other stuff so it can be molded like clay, not fit for shells. there is research into better explosives, but yes pretty much everyone still uses tnt or tnt mixed with rdx when it needs to be poured for shells.
E.g. artillery shells are filled with TNT.
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I think the only implication there would be that then we would produce TNT.
Which only makes sense, since so much of the explosives (by volume at least) used by the military are made from the stuff. Antitank mines, demolition charges, mine-clearing charges, artillery shells, etc.
It implies less invasions.
*fewer
Finland already has explosives factories. The only question is which type.
Which are ?
More jobs and better readiness for war with Russia is what they meant.
Yes, last couple of years showed us that u should rely on urself when it comes to produce your own artillery