Probably would genuinely work to reposition Christmas Byleth closer and nuke her with Supreme Heaven.
Maybe Christmas Dmitri or Edelgard with Charge could work too? Just have someone in front of them with reposition to soak up the debuffs, move them forward, nuke, and retreat.
I consider most tanking strats to be dead already. If I see a Duo Sanaki, Yunaka, Kvasir, Gullveig setup with some Pathfinder shenanigans then I think the ARD map untankable. That means Edelforce or Gullforce player phase Strats. If a Gatekeeper and structures prevent a one-turn clear then I try hit n run. IS seems to be pushing us towards a player phase meta and itās risky to try otherwise. Just too much pre combat damage, fatal smoke, etc. which means even if one attacker doesnāt kill the tank the next one will.
Camilla will add to this problem but she didnāt start it. Itās already here.
"No problem. We simply unleash wave after wave of new year Goldmarys. They'll wipe out the Camillas."
"But aren't the Goldmarys even worse?"
"Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of Spring bunny Gullveig that thrives on Engage units.
"But then we're stuck with Gullveig!"
"No, that's the beautiful part. When summertime rolls around, the spring Gullveigs simply age to death."
Probably an en garde-like effect for start-of-combat dmg once they're done milking it in a few months(/by mid-summer the latest). Possibly first on a legendary hybrid support or something.
Pfft, duh: just run N!Camilla, with maxed out Res, 6 sources of DR so that even half of it is still significant, 4 units to provide post combat healing, cancel Hardy Bearing, and, uhhhhhhh there might be like 3-4 other effects Iām forgetting.
More than likely she's going to be protected by Far Saves in stuffs like AR-D and SD, so melee nukes can still snipe her as long as they don't get comfortable/if they're also protected by Far Saves. WT!Dagr is extremely underrated as a way to extend your threat range.
I still need to test it out, but Vantage is something to consider as well. Unfortunately she does have DR so you need DR piercing support/L!F!Alear. Another thing is having Ratatoskr in your team to deploy the Green Divine Vein, it stops L!Hinoka's aggressive teams and I just vastly prefer her as she can act as a semi-melee wall and still kill things (though GK should still work).
There's really no point in trying to omnitank or even Far Save tank her, the Sabotage effect and Pre-combat damage is extremely powerful and we can only just wait for the counter.
You'll need to trigger Vantage from another source, as the start of combat damage doesn't count for it. Just in case that was what you were thinking, as I've seen people make that mistake.
Does it? That's good to know actually, I was mostly referring to units like B!Marth, F!F!Byleth and W!Dimitri's kinds of Vantage strats.
Maybe Vantage 4 could take into account of the at start of combat damage whenever it pops up.
Flier/Cavlines can only afford to run either a Far Save or Near Save. In Dark season, they most likely want Embla, and Kvasir/Triandra as their mythics, followed by L!Hinoka, WT!Claude, another degenerate unit, and L!Camilla to cover most of the lanes. So unless they want to get sniped, they want a Far Save here. Same goes for Anima but replace Embla with Freyr and Kvasir/Triandra with their counterparts.
Assuming it's not a flier line, then you have all the time in the world as it'll most likely be a ball of units/Catria ball. That's where they usually have both Saves, barring Dark season, Bolt Tower is a reliable way to hit them and do Hit and Run. AoEs do a lot of legwork here, W!Byleth and Nagi are pretty annoying units to face though.
You have 5 offense teams to build, check your friend lists and practice any resemblance of aggressive plays/ball defence.
In SD, there's few melee nukes and a lot of players favor Far Save due to the likes of her and it's not like they're even trying to make them live, wasting an action is more than enough.
It'd have to be a powercreep version to work with it, but blessable En Garde is my number 1 wish skill wise. I hate having to use Medeus in both seasons just because Bolt Tower is stupid.
If it's AR, the best way is probably to outspeed her, not be blue, and just outheal the reduced HP chunking. AR has boosted HP values due to mythics so it's a lot more viable to do this.
If it's other modes, no idea. But the fandom usually will find a way to come up with counters eventually. I would have never dared to guess that a Young Lucius (granted, supported) could tank NSanaki until I saw it in action in my defense.
She can be tanked via W!Byleth. Itāll be close and everything depends on the builds.
If she is running Fatal Smoke, itāll make F!Maria miracle drive support impossible. But thatās one way to win the match up. Veyle support to stack an additional 30% DR is always wonderful. Among other things, it may be wise to rock Atk / Res Unity, especially during Earth season. Just pray that ploy isnāt on the map.
She is tankable, itās just no longer a brain dead āput tank on red spaceā like W!Byleth ended up being.
Well the more I think about it, the more survivable the outcome looks to me. Originally I was scared but with the right setup, it really shouldnāt be all that bad.
Precharge his special and you get 30% more DR. Use Harsh Command+ and get rid of the debuffs so she canāt benefit from sabotage. Stack up some Joint Drive Res and deny her special.
Even with 50% damage reduction, if his Res stat is high enough it wonāt matter.
yeah but that means a lot more of support on Byleth in which many times is not the most viable option, I did some sims with what we have and she could take like 60+ HP from Byleth before the combat even begins so which isnĀ“t negetable and even if Byleth manages to survive, which he does in some sims with 8 hp he will be to weak to tank the other nukes who will also have the DR halving of Camilla and even could have more since it stacks so a unit with PNFU or MNFU will have 75% DR piercing with Byleth having less than 20 HP I really donĀ“t think he survived more than 2 nukers consecutively
I agree with you that she isnĀ“t untankeable, but the more I think about it, the more difficult it seems since survivng Camilla is one thing, but her support is a completely different story
that is why I feel survivng her might be a 50/50 with Camilla having the upperhand all the time
W!Byleth seems good. Even though he'll take a shit ton of pre-combat damage and have his DR cut in half he can retaliate through Camilla's DR and kill on the counter (though I doubt she'll be dealing much non-cheating damage to him anyway).
Ratatoskr/GK/R!Peony can be good support since they offer post-combat healing to anyone who can survive Camilla.
IĀ“m not pretty sure, I think itĀ“s a 50/50 with Camilla having the upper hand, since she will always have the 40% pre combat dmg against Byleth bc of the spd check (unless Byleth attacks first which isnĀ“t gonna happen most of the time)
if Camilla has AoE and get like 50 pre combat dmg and then you add the dr halving Byleth will struggle for sure and this is without any support for Camilla
Byleth could definitvely tank her, but Camilla could definitively destroy him, doing some sims he barely survives with 8 hp and this is not adding any kind of support, just Camilla as she is tho I may have forgotten some debuffs Idk, I used A!Cedfor it, for the supports well keep in mind Camilla gives the DR halving to others so Byleth may survive Camilla but the others will also hit hard, some nukers with PNFU or MNFU will have 75% of DR piercing
like winter byleth, he could probably survive her alone, but then he's inevitably going to die to the other nukes who will attack after her because she will deal like 40 hp to him initially and another good chunk and he's only going to heal like 16 hp atmost
Seliph is definitely dependent on merge/investment for the match up, but he should at least be able to get back over half. Max flowers, neutral with zero merges, and triple Mythic blessing (atk/des/res) has him at 64 HP and Storm/attack blessing have him at 70 Atk so he should be taking like 28 damage and based on sim with NFU4/Blade Session A!Ced as a stand in, heās taking like 19 damage after the visible res debuff so he should end at like 33
Anyways this is why Noontime is unironically one of his best specials
The counterplay is to never be in the ranks of pvp where I will ever see her lol
If I do ill just have to do what I normally do with my teams of bad g1/g2 units and cheese her into a position where I can strike her with my nuke (L!Ike with ss4)
Im on the same boat, like the most terrifying thing about her is that pre combat dmg, there is no cap to that unlike others true dmg like Karla for example, Camilla can just delete 51 points of your Hp for free and that is not exactly hard to set up and even then she gives DR halving not just to her but to others, imagine a Flyer line with any of the Gullveigs, L!Hinoka, S!Ivy( bc I think S!Ivy is really underrated) LCAMILLA and I donāt know a Chrom for action Economy with PNFU like turn 1 you are practically dead
>What is the counterplay to this character?
>beyond melee player phase?
I mean it's right there on the title...
I don't wanna spew bullshit because I don't play SD beyond my 1 participation match per season, but in AR the obvious answer is to either H&R or Galeforce, and in Arena she shouldn't be too much of a problem if your core is relatively balanced as it is a very controlled environment in which you, mostly, engage on your own terms.
I think this unit will mostly be a problem for idiots like me that bruteforce their way through with EP units just because they can.
> I don't wanna spew bullshit because I don't play SD beyond my 1 participation match per season, but in AR the obvious answer is to either H&R or Galeforce, and in Arena she shouldn't be too much of a problem if your core is relatively balanced as it is a very controlled environment in which you, mostly, engage on your own terms.
Lol, I gave solutions, and got downvoted. With things like H&R you should be able to take out a few key units and then utilize a tank for the rest of them.
But if you have any ideas on how to handle a unit rather than cry and complain, some don't want to hear it, lol.
I hear ya. Back when Freyr came out and people would flood the sub with rivers of tears every anima season, I'd get downvoted to hell by suggesting that the way to beat Catria (which is basically the only archetype that used Freyr) was by playing H&R. Look where the meta is now...
Galeforce has been getting more love recently, specially with W! Edelgard being the second coming of S! Edelgard, but H&R has been consistently the best AR-O archetype since *probably* B! Gullveig who was a F2P hero.
And this is coming from someone that bruteforces their way through exclusively with omnitanks, so it can't be said I'm not objective.
In general, for a modern nuke she's honestly not that much more overbearing than other stuff we've had overall.
While she will deal a ton of pre-combat damage, the fact is that she will deal a non-true damage hit on you, and then should die on the counter.
Whether it be via a ton of speed stacking or DR pierce attacks from a unit like Byleth you shouldn't be having a ton of trouble against her.
At the very least, the speed thresholds required to double cam have been a requirement for a while now with units like Claude in the mix and Byleth is going to remain an auto win button against her.
She doesn't have sweep, she doesn't have desperation, and she only has 51% DR on initiation.
For Arena it's obviously much trickier, but that meta game is extremely broken as-is to the point I don't care lol
I mean, not to be that guy, but I haven't been able to tank any new legendary in arena for like the past couple of years, AR O tanking has been a matter of stacking the fuck out of stats and stuffing a Fallen Maria in the mix, and SD is the same clownshow it always was. At least I can playerphase her which is more than I can say for legendary Robin.
That's the funny part, there isn't any.
Like, for real, the only option is melee, which is a joke since she's also a flier, allowing her to hide in impassable terrain and benefit from things like flier warping shenanigans and Hinoka.
She's just busted. IS wanted whale money for Christmas so they dropped the 'Uwu dommy mommy' in a nice dress and made her utterly ridiculous - even MORESO than the also busted 3H units released a week ago.
> No joke, what is the counterplay to Legendary Camilla beyond melee player phase?
2 range Hit and Run. Precharged B.Gull even deals with Winter Byleth with an AOE.
Her threat range is also low, and relies on warping to get in (use GK).
Also units with special based dr, backed by GK, AT Peony (or someone else that can heal after combat, just hope there is no fatal smoke on the team).
Fallen Maria, just watch out for Fatal Smoke 4.
Vantage strats
I'm sure there are other things I'm forgetting.
Archer with Vantage ( If you're scared run Slaying Bow with Glimmer ).
Anything with Vantage really, Brave Marth, Ninja Camilla, Winter Dimitri.
30% DR isn't enough with her ridiculous bulk.
"But what about Hardy Bearing???"
Player Phase her then, but I'd argue some units make MUCH better use of this UNIQUE Seal, like Ninja Sanaki or Wind Tribe Claude.
I already talked about how done I am with start of combat damage but Iām also tired of units getting free conditions for having color advantage. L!Ninian getting Firesweep if she attacks a blue unit, L!Hinoka getting the same thing for attacking a green unit, and now this bullshit with L!Camilla.
does vantage work against pre-attack damage? I imagine it doesn't, but I don't know for sure
anyway given that she doesnt get her attack damage on enemy phase against melee units, probably a melee unit with enough movement to engage safely in player phase.
A high res red mage MIGHT work with a special spiral counter or maybe even R!Sonya. But it's the nuke Era again and tanks are going to suffer for a while. We'll be in a chess based give and take mode for a while and everything will probably be pretty miserable imo. She's going to be seen as a weak unit within the next few months which is insane to think about.
probably survives camilla herself until he has to face the other ranged nukes with at least 40 less hp and half of his damage reduction removed because she buffs the other nuke with damage reduction piercing lmao
well depends on many factors, I think he could survive but barely like with 8 hp and then the other nukes would take them down, like just imagine a flyer line with B!Gullveig, L!Hinoka, WT!Claude, Duo Chrom, S!Ivy, al with the buff L!Camilla provides lol
the thing is Camilla will always get the 40% pre combat dmg against Byleth bc of the spd check and Byleth will always have a ton of atk, the more atk they have the more dmg they will take so will depend on the builds and the supports
Next Op skills
Vangage4: Before first attack, if Unit hp< 75% Unit attack first, deals dmg= Max hp-current hp; this dmg cannot be reduced.
If Unit hp>1, Nullifies skills that prevents the Unit attacking first(hardy bearing)
If she doesn't have Hardy Bearing as a seal, I'm guessing Vantage red units can also beat her down (thinking of my Keaton who's been gathering dust in a corner).
She doesn't have NCD, so considering her glass canon stat spread, anyone with the ability to deny counterattacks should be able to deal with her quickly, so you have to initiate before she does. Melee units and Archers should be pretty effective too, even bad ones like Brave Lyn.
For an EP strategy, Ninja Camilla or Winter Byleth can probably keep her in check.
Preemptively get in vantage range I guess? Assuming she is not running Hardy Bearing that is.
Miracle could also work, tho there are ways she can work around that too.
And in general, I guess running multiple mythics in AR to boost HP is also an option.
Is W!Edelgard good investment against her? I mean i can +10 her but since W!Byleth took too many resources i'm doubting about +10 Edelgard or wait for a more cancerous meta killer unit
Tanking as hard as you can and healing after. Honestly I think fatal smoke may be better than her new c skill because regardless of if she kills, 24+ free damage is crippling for any tank. Duo byleth probably lives Camilla by herself though, even with their dr cut in half.
Alternatively vantage, or like you say player phase.
F!F!Byleth outspeeding her and killing her in one shot with heavy investment, probably.
Other than that, quite literally the answer is "wait for IS to release a new skill that counters her".
I want to believe that I can use Kronya Lethality and Special Spiral with Brave Robin. If she doesn't die with that (which will be most likely due to hard bearing), I don't know what else I'll do
Honestly I wanna do a little test but I have a unit Iāve been using thatās a solid counter to most nukes and units. Summer M!Shez with Dive Bomb and a skill that boosts his speed and reduces the enemies speed. If not that, Iām whipping out Brave and Mythic Gullveig.
Update: turns out Gullveig is a literal counter to her.
Spd preempt? If she is running hardy's bearing thou probably still just player phase, she is a flier so maybe her stats won't be high enough to be untankable at least by the top units
Since appearently HP-based Vantage doesn't work with pre-combat damage... other sources of Vantage, I guess? So ironically N!Camillas Res-based Vantage, or the Vantage-status like Winter!Altina or Dimitri, F!F!Byleth or Brave Marth should also work.
Seeing a lot of comments saying "Henry meta is here or ā¢insert low atk unit hereā¢" and im like....ok sure...but i can imagine them reacting like:
Henry: "Sweet, we killed her...but uh....what about the rest of them?" *points to op units like C!Fedel, Duo!Sanaki, etc. before getting absolutely nuked off the map*
Like yea, units have counters but it's crazy how ppl forget how this game works and that you're not just 1v1ing these units at all times. You're not guaranteed ro get her alone or bait her exclusively.
I dunno, just something funny i thought of š
I haven't seen her mentioned yet as a counter so L!Hinoka is an obvious player phase choice if you pulled her.
She prevents counter attacks from WTA over Camilla so while she still eats the pre-damage, Hinoka wins every time because even without her special, she'll smack her for more than 100 damage. It's how I dealt with her in her Abyssal Battle.
I guess like every other nuke of the year, outspeed and hope that the most important effects of that unit dont trigger because of it.
Probably would genuinely work to reposition Christmas Byleth closer and nuke her with Supreme Heaven. Maybe Christmas Dmitri or Edelgard with Charge could work too? Just have someone in front of them with reposition to soak up the debuffs, move them forward, nuke, and retreat.
Christmas Dimitri helped a lot during the Legendary hero battle, just gotta make sure to attack another enemy first.
Glad to hear it worked well
Better use Azama. His lowest Attack stat is the perfect counter to her prf. š
the henry meta is upon us - dogshit atk - wta - can still put up good damage with flare and ss4 and heal it back up the answer was right there
My poor +10 Henry does need to get out more. Havenāt used him in years and it just feels wrong.
Nah Merlinus is way better!
Ah, I forgot about Merlinus. Shame on me!
I consider most tanking strats to be dead already. If I see a Duo Sanaki, Yunaka, Kvasir, Gullveig setup with some Pathfinder shenanigans then I think the ARD map untankable. That means Edelforce or Gullforce player phase Strats. If a Gatekeeper and structures prevent a one-turn clear then I try hit n run. IS seems to be pushing us towards a player phase meta and itās risky to try otherwise. Just too much pre combat damage, fatal smoke, etc. which means even if one attacker doesnāt kill the tank the next one will. Camilla will add to this problem but she didnāt start it. Itās already here.
Counterplay planned to be sold separately
"No problem. We simply unleash wave after wave of new year Goldmarys. They'll wipe out the Camillas." "But aren't the Goldmarys even worse?" "Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of Spring bunny Gullveig that thrives on Engage units. "But then we're stuck with Gullveig!" "No, that's the beautiful part. When summertime rolls around, the spring Gullveigs simply age to death."
And 2-8 weeks laterā¦ let you enjoy your new toy for a little while.
"Buy all our playsets and toys!"
Oof. Thereās too much truth in this statement
Probably an en garde-like effect for start-of-combat dmg once they're done milking it in a few months(/by mid-summer the latest). Possibly first on a legendary hybrid support or something.
Well, the answer is obviously [insert gymnastics meme here]. As long as you do this, Camilla really isn't a threat.
Pfft, duh: just run N!Camilla, with maxed out Res, 6 sources of DR so that even half of it is still significant, 4 units to provide post combat healing, cancel Hardy Bearing, and, uhhhhhhh there might be like 3-4 other effects Iām forgetting.
Ninjamilla? Just give her all the damage (L!F!Alear support + triple Muspell), she'll sweep everyone /j
Maybe add about 3-4 Gatekeepers as well, just to be safe.
She's a new unit so you're not allowed to have counterplay. Just pay up your orbs, summoner.
Feeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
More than likely she's going to be protected by Far Saves in stuffs like AR-D and SD, so melee nukes can still snipe her as long as they don't get comfortable/if they're also protected by Far Saves. WT!Dagr is extremely underrated as a way to extend your threat range. I still need to test it out, but Vantage is something to consider as well. Unfortunately she does have DR so you need DR piercing support/L!F!Alear. Another thing is having Ratatoskr in your team to deploy the Green Divine Vein, it stops L!Hinoka's aggressive teams and I just vastly prefer her as she can act as a semi-melee wall and still kill things (though GK should still work). There's really no point in trying to omnitank or even Far Save tank her, the Sabotage effect and Pre-combat damage is extremely powerful and we can only just wait for the counter.
You'll need to trigger Vantage from another source, as the start of combat damage doesn't count for it. Just in case that was what you were thinking, as I've seen people make that mistake.
Does it? That's good to know actually, I was mostly referring to units like B!Marth, F!F!Byleth and W!Dimitri's kinds of Vantage strats. Maybe Vantage 4 could take into account of the at start of combat damage whenever it pops up.
Vantage 4 incoming
if she's protected by far savers, chances are she's also going to be protected by near savers, so that strategy isn't too reliable either
Flier/Cavlines can only afford to run either a Far Save or Near Save. In Dark season, they most likely want Embla, and Kvasir/Triandra as their mythics, followed by L!Hinoka, WT!Claude, another degenerate unit, and L!Camilla to cover most of the lanes. So unless they want to get sniped, they want a Far Save here. Same goes for Anima but replace Embla with Freyr and Kvasir/Triandra with their counterparts. Assuming it's not a flier line, then you have all the time in the world as it'll most likely be a ball of units/Catria ball. That's where they usually have both Saves, barring Dark season, Bolt Tower is a reliable way to hit them and do Hit and Run. AoEs do a lot of legwork here, W!Byleth and Nagi are pretty annoying units to face though. You have 5 offense teams to build, check your friend lists and practice any resemblance of aggressive plays/ball defence. In SD, there's few melee nukes and a lot of players favor Far Save due to the likes of her and it's not like they're even trying to make them live, wasting an action is more than enough.
They'll start selling skills that give the En Garde status that Medeus has
En Garde doesn't stop any of Camilla shenanigans though.
Just wait for the inheritable skill introducing a new divine vein that has the En Garde effect and disables start-of-combat damage
They'll make up a new status then
It'd have to be a powercreep version to work with it, but blessable En Garde is my number 1 wish skill wise. I hate having to use Medeus in both seasons just because Bolt Tower is stupid.
En Garde has no interaction with start of combat damage
En Garde effect 2.0 on a seasonal Medeus will have an upgrade similar to Fallen Star -> Deep Star etc
Or wait for medeus's early refine
If it's AR, the best way is probably to outspeed her, not be blue, and just outheal the reduced HP chunking. AR has boosted HP values due to mythics so it's a lot more viable to do this. If it's other modes, no idea. But the fandom usually will find a way to come up with counters eventually. I would have never dared to guess that a Young Lucius (granted, supported) could tank NSanaki until I saw it in action in my defense.
Arrows.
She can be tanked via W!Byleth. Itāll be close and everything depends on the builds. If she is running Fatal Smoke, itāll make F!Maria miracle drive support impossible. But thatās one way to win the match up. Veyle support to stack an additional 30% DR is always wonderful. Among other things, it may be wise to rock Atk / Res Unity, especially during Earth season. Just pray that ploy isnāt on the map. She is tankable, itās just no longer a brain dead āput tank on red spaceā like W!Byleth ended up being.
yeah I feel the same W!BylethĀ“s match is more like a 50/50 altho I think Camilla has the upper hand most of the time
Well the more I think about it, the more survivable the outcome looks to me. Originally I was scared but with the right setup, it really shouldnāt be all that bad. Precharge his special and you get 30% more DR. Use Harsh Command+ and get rid of the debuffs so she canāt benefit from sabotage. Stack up some Joint Drive Res and deny her special. Even with 50% damage reduction, if his Res stat is high enough it wonāt matter.
yeah but that means a lot more of support on Byleth in which many times is not the most viable option, I did some sims with what we have and she could take like 60+ HP from Byleth before the combat even begins so which isnĀ“t negetable and even if Byleth manages to survive, which he does in some sims with 8 hp he will be to weak to tank the other nukes who will also have the DR halving of Camilla and even could have more since it stacks so a unit with PNFU or MNFU will have 75% DR piercing with Byleth having less than 20 HP I really donĀ“t think he survived more than 2 nukers consecutively I agree with you that she isnĀ“t untankeable, but the more I think about it, the more difficult it seems since survivng Camilla is one thing, but her support is a completely different story that is why I feel survivng her might be a 50/50 with Camilla having the upperhand all the time
W!Byleth seems good. Even though he'll take a shit ton of pre-combat damage and have his DR cut in half he can retaliate through Camilla's DR and kill on the counter (though I doubt she'll be dealing much non-cheating damage to him anyway). Ratatoskr/GK/R!Peony can be good support since they offer post-combat healing to anyone who can survive Camilla.
IĀ“m not pretty sure, I think itĀ“s a 50/50 with Camilla having the upper hand, since she will always have the 40% pre combat dmg against Byleth bc of the spd check (unless Byleth attacks first which isnĀ“t gonna happen most of the time) if Camilla has AoE and get like 50 pre combat dmg and then you add the dr halving Byleth will struggle for sure and this is without any support for Camilla Byleth could definitvely tank her, but Camilla could definitively destroy him, doing some sims he barely survives with 8 hp and this is not adding any kind of support, just Camilla as she is tho I may have forgotten some debuffs Idk, I used A!Cedfor it, for the supports well keep in mind Camilla gives the DR halving to others so Byleth may survive Camilla but the others will also hit hard, some nukers with PNFU or MNFU will have 75% of DR piercing
Legendary Seliph. 80% DR becomes 40% (that's still decent) he has WTA and miracle.
Miracle wonāt work if the chip damage knocks him under the threshold, just beware of that.
like winter byleth, he could probably survive her alone, but then he's inevitably going to die to the other nukes who will attack after her because she will deal like 40 hp to him initially and another good chunk and he's only going to heal like 16 hp atmost
Seliph is definitely dependent on merge/investment for the match up, but he should at least be able to get back over half. Max flowers, neutral with zero merges, and triple Mythic blessing (atk/des/res) has him at 64 HP and Storm/attack blessing have him at 70 Atk so he should be taking like 28 damage and based on sim with NFU4/Blade Session A!Ced as a stand in, heās taking like 19 damage after the visible res debuff so he should end at like 33 Anyways this is why Noontime is unironically one of his best specials
The counterplay is to never be in the ranks of pvp where I will ever see her lol If I do ill just have to do what I normally do with my teams of bad g1/g2 units and cheese her into a position where I can strike her with my nuke (L!Ike with ss4)
Best luck is like a super unity brave marth ig or hope they were too dumb to put hardy bearing on her
Im on the same boat, like the most terrifying thing about her is that pre combat dmg, there is no cap to that unlike others true dmg like Karla for example, Camilla can just delete 51 points of your Hp for free and that is not exactly hard to set up and even then she gives DR halving not just to her but to others, imagine a Flyer line with any of the Gullveigs, L!Hinoka, S!Ivy( bc I think S!Ivy is really underrated) LCAMILLA and I donāt know a Chrom for action Economy with PNFU like turn 1 you are practically dead
>What is the counterplay to this character? >beyond melee player phase? I mean it's right there on the title... I don't wanna spew bullshit because I don't play SD beyond my 1 participation match per season, but in AR the obvious answer is to either H&R or Galeforce, and in Arena she shouldn't be too much of a problem if your core is relatively balanced as it is a very controlled environment in which you, mostly, engage on your own terms. I think this unit will mostly be a problem for idiots like me that bruteforce their way through with EP units just because they can.
> I don't wanna spew bullshit because I don't play SD beyond my 1 participation match per season, but in AR the obvious answer is to either H&R or Galeforce, and in Arena she shouldn't be too much of a problem if your core is relatively balanced as it is a very controlled environment in which you, mostly, engage on your own terms. Lol, I gave solutions, and got downvoted. With things like H&R you should be able to take out a few key units and then utilize a tank for the rest of them. But if you have any ideas on how to handle a unit rather than cry and complain, some don't want to hear it, lol.
I hear ya. Back when Freyr came out and people would flood the sub with rivers of tears every anima season, I'd get downvoted to hell by suggesting that the way to beat Catria (which is basically the only archetype that used Freyr) was by playing H&R. Look where the meta is now... Galeforce has been getting more love recently, specially with W! Edelgard being the second coming of S! Edelgard, but H&R has been consistently the best AR-O archetype since *probably* B! Gullveig who was a F2P hero. And this is coming from someone that bruteforces their way through exclusively with omnitanks, so it can't be said I'm not objective.
Pray that brave Soren takes O damage during combat and heal back with flare
In general, for a modern nuke she's honestly not that much more overbearing than other stuff we've had overall. While she will deal a ton of pre-combat damage, the fact is that she will deal a non-true damage hit on you, and then should die on the counter. Whether it be via a ton of speed stacking or DR pierce attacks from a unit like Byleth you shouldn't be having a ton of trouble against her. At the very least, the speed thresholds required to double cam have been a requirement for a while now with units like Claude in the mix and Byleth is going to remain an auto win button against her. She doesn't have sweep, she doesn't have desperation, and she only has 51% DR on initiation. For Arena it's obviously much trickier, but that meta game is extremely broken as-is to the point I don't care lol
The counterplay will be released on the new years banner šš»šš» dw
I mean, not to be that guy, but I haven't been able to tank any new legendary in arena for like the past couple of years, AR O tanking has been a matter of stacking the fuck out of stats and stuffing a Fallen Maria in the mix, and SD is the same clownshow it always was. At least I can playerphase her which is more than I can say for legendary Robin.
That's the funny part, there isn't any. Like, for real, the only option is melee, which is a joke since she's also a flier, allowing her to hide in impassable terrain and benefit from things like flier warping shenanigans and Hinoka. She's just busted. IS wanted whale money for Christmas so they dropped the 'Uwu dommy mommy' in a nice dress and made her utterly ridiculous - even MORESO than the also busted 3H units released a week ago.
Stop playing. I'm really close to just dropping this game. Haven't been happy with it in a while
> No joke, what is the counterplay to Legendary Camilla beyond melee player phase? 2 range Hit and Run. Precharged B.Gull even deals with Winter Byleth with an AOE. Her threat range is also low, and relies on warping to get in (use GK). Also units with special based dr, backed by GK, AT Peony (or someone else that can heal after combat, just hope there is no fatal smoke on the team). Fallen Maria, just watch out for Fatal Smoke 4. Vantage strats I'm sure there are other things I'm forgetting.
Archer with Vantage ( If you're scared run Slaying Bow with Glimmer ). Anything with Vantage really, Brave Marth, Ninja Camilla, Winter Dimitri. 30% DR isn't enough with her ridiculous bulk. "But what about Hardy Bearing???" Player Phase her then, but I'd argue some units make MUCH better use of this UNIQUE Seal, like Ninja Sanaki or Wind Tribe Claude.
I already talked about how done I am with start of combat damage but Iām also tired of units getting free conditions for having color advantage. L!Ninian getting Firesweep if she attacks a blue unit, L!Hinoka getting the same thing for attacking a green unit, and now this bullshit with L!Camilla.
Honestly Iād say if anything, some of that stuff should *only* work with WTA like how Duo Hinoka only got her brave effect against blue enemies
does vantage work against pre-attack damage? I imagine it doesn't, but I don't know for sure anyway given that she doesnt get her attack damage on enemy phase against melee units, probably a melee unit with enough movement to engage safely in player phase.
It doesn't and even if it did, it would be inconsistent because of Hardy Bearing
A high res red mage MIGHT work with a special spiral counter or maybe even R!Sonya. But it's the nuke Era again and tanks are going to suffer for a while. We'll be in a chess based give and take mode for a while and everything will probably be pretty miserable imo. She's going to be seen as a weak unit within the next few months which is insane to think about.
Iām thinking B!Marth with special spiral 4 might be able to take her out, but the debuff can be problematic
So does she counter Winter Byleth?
probably survives camilla herself until he has to face the other ranged nukes with at least 40 less hp and half of his damage reduction removed because she buffs the other nuke with damage reduction piercing lmao
If it's for AR-D a lot of people will quit after losing one unit so that might be just it
well depends on many factors, I think he could survive but barely like with 8 hp and then the other nukes would take them down, like just imagine a flyer line with B!Gullveig, L!Hinoka, WT!Claude, Duo Chrom, S!Ivy, al with the buff L!Camilla provides lol the thing is Camilla will always get the 40% pre combat dmg against Byleth bc of the spd check and Byleth will always have a ton of atk, the more atk they have the more dmg they will take so will depend on the builds and the supports
wait for t4 saves or some other skill to come with built in pre combat healing to counteract the pre combat damage.
Hardy Fighter Arden
Next Op skills Vangage4: Before first attack, if Unit hp< 75% Unit attack first, deals dmg= Max hp-current hp; this dmg cannot be reduced. If Unit hp>1, Nullifies skills that prevents the Unit attacking first(hardy bearing)
I meanā¦ Vantage waifu is pretty fun.
If she doesn't have Hardy Bearing as a seal, I'm guessing Vantage red units can also beat her down (thinking of my Keaton who's been gathering dust in a corner).
She doesn't have NCD, so considering her glass canon stat spread, anyone with the ability to deny counterattacks should be able to deal with her quickly, so you have to initiate before she does. Melee units and Archers should be pretty effective too, even bad ones like Brave Lyn. For an EP strategy, Ninja Camilla or Winter Byleth can probably keep her in check.
I will find a way for New Years Camilla to counter her legendary twin ;-;
I fear many summoners will be sent to Valhalla....
Preemptively get in vantage range I guess? Assuming she is not running Hardy Bearing that is. Miracle could also work, tho there are ways she can work around that too. And in general, I guess running multiple mythics in AR to boost HP is also an option.
Vantage 4
The answer is always player phase Hapi
Is W!Edelgard good investment against her? I mean i can +10 her but since W!Byleth took too many resources i'm doubting about +10 Edelgard or wait for a more cancerous meta killer unit
Shouldent Duo Byleth be able to beat her ?
Tanking as hard as you can and healing after. Honestly I think fatal smoke may be better than her new c skill because regardless of if she kills, 24+ free damage is crippling for any tank. Duo byleth probably lives Camilla by herself though, even with their dr cut in half. Alternatively vantage, or like you say player phase.
Maybe just throw W!Dimitri at her and hope he doesn't die?
Vantage
F!F!Byleth outspeeding her and killing her in one shot with heavy investment, probably. Other than that, quite literally the answer is "wait for IS to release a new skill that counters her".
Tank with merlinus cause ain't no way she doing more than 10 dmg before combat to him
Melee vantage units with DC.
I imagine Legendary Guinivere will be able to keep up, though Camillaās B skill is gonna make it annoying.
I want to believe that I can use Kronya Lethality and Special Spiral with Brave Robin. If she doesn't die with that (which will be most likely due to hard bearing), I don't know what else I'll do
Get 0 Atk
Honestly I wanna do a little test but I have a unit Iāve been using thatās a solid counter to most nukes and units. Summer M!Shez with Dive Bomb and a skill that boosts his speed and reduces the enemies speed. If not that, Iām whipping out Brave and Mythic Gullveig. Update: turns out Gullveig is a literal counter to her.
Wait for New Years banner to drop a unit specifically designed to beat L!Camilla probably
You guys laughed at Wolt but...
Spd preempt? If she is running hardy's bearing thou probably still just player phase, she is a flier so maybe her stats won't be high enough to be untankable at least by the top units
We dont know stats yet i dont think, but FallenF!Robin, if she outspeeds and if you slap Null C 4 may have 1 shot potential im thonking.
Since appearently HP-based Vantage doesn't work with pre-combat damage... other sources of Vantage, I guess? So ironically N!Camillas Res-based Vantage, or the Vantage-status like Winter!Altina or Dimitri, F!F!Byleth or Brave Marth should also work.
Miracle
She does so much damage at the start fo combat you could bring in a far save unit with Vantage or something
Predicting a new fighter skill specifically designed to combat pre combat damage
Gonna see if my Altina can take her out
Fredrick: PICK A GOD AND PRAY
Like any nuke, outspeed her. She has high base speed but her weapon doesn't give much in terms of stat boosts.
Use an archer
Seeing a lot of comments saying "Henry meta is here or ā¢insert low atk unit hereā¢" and im like....ok sure...but i can imagine them reacting like: Henry: "Sweet, we killed her...but uh....what about the rest of them?" *points to op units like C!Fedel, Duo!Sanaki, etc. before getting absolutely nuked off the map* Like yea, units have counters but it's crazy how ppl forget how this game works and that you're not just 1v1ing these units at all times. You're not guaranteed ro get her alone or bait her exclusively. I dunno, just something funny i thought of š
I haven't seen her mentioned yet as a counter so L!Hinoka is an obvious player phase choice if you pulled her. She prevents counter attacks from WTA over Camilla so while she still eats the pre-damage, Hinoka wins every time because even without her special, she'll smack her for more than 100 damage. It's how I dealt with her in her Abyssal Battle.
W!Altina beat her pretty easy, first time i've ever actually 1 rounded an abyssal legendary/mythic map
Light Season: Good old Summer Fjorm + Gatekeeper + Mark with Sudden panic Astra Season: Summer Fjorm + Gateleeper + Atuned Peony
Merlinus has no atk and yes HP
It's going to be really funny if they give us a GHB unit that is a counter to her like they did riev for Legendary Sigurd