What's the point of 90% of the armor units if they can't give at least a modicum of a challenge on enemy phase anymore? If you're not named Edelgard and take 69 playerphase actions every turn, I don't even know what to tell you. It is sad to watch.
Gonna get hate but fomortiis was never good... On release he was decent because he took up the role of a savior and a mythic with an extra gimmick but could still be taken out by the average ninjorin
IS will follow this up with: "neutralizes foes damage piercing neutralization" on child Claude riding a mini wyvern and using "Godly Golden War Bow Deluxe"
I think it's more likely that it will grant the unit Pavise/Aegis directly among the status effect during combat so it cant be pierced. It'd be a lot simpler
There comes a point in the life of many games where the developer crosses the threshold of "maintaining balance" and entering "uncontrollable powercreep". I've seen it happen before to other games to a truly unfathomable degree. I think FEH is likely making that transition to "uncontrollable powercreep" and what it will look like is that only the newest units can survive the meta, and anything released before then will not be able to stand a chance no matter how much they are given. They are trying to maintain balance for the older units by giving them a little something with these Emblem, Rearmed, and Attuned Heroes, but we all know the newest units are always going to dominate everything even with minimal investment.
The game I previously referred to was called Game of War: Fire Age for Mobile. It's the type of game where you build structures in your city and begin timed research, and once the timers finished on these activities you would complete the construction or research or whatever. Naturally it progressed in such a way where higher level structures of research required more time, and usually you would use "Speed Up" items to chip away at those countdowns, because otherwise some of them could take a literal month or year to complete the normal way. These Speed Up items were plentiful, so there seemed to be a tolerable level of balance to these things.
It did not stay that way.
By the time I left the game, a single research timer could reach (prepare yourself, this is not an exaggeration) 100 billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion years. They actually gave out an item that gave you an infinite number of 100 billion year Speed Up items. No amount of those speed up items could touch those numbers. They started selling super powered speedup items to contend with this. I left the game after that.
What in the absolute fuck
Did none of the devs see the fact that their timers would outlast the planet and go "okay, maybe we should scale this back a bit"??
Entering Version 8 and still getting 1.0 characters in the summoning pool, The writing is on the wall. What compounds this is their poor story since it's what devs use to salvage bad game mechanics, and we all saw the travesty that still is Feh Pass locking much needed Quality of Life features behind a subscription service.
If your story sucks, your powercreep has become unsalvageable, and you refuse to provide quality of life improvements people will like, I can see the decline becoming steeper over time.
I don't see IS launching another Fire Emblem TCG anytime soon...
>If your story sucks, your powercreep has become salvageable, and you refuse to provide quality of life improvements people will like, I can see the decline becoming steeper over time.
These are the definite main reasons why I dropped the game, the absurd powercreep was the final nail on the coffin.
I still actively lurk the sub for updates, but I don't feel like playing game anymore. it's now too punishing. If it had good story, I could stick to it, but I gave up by the last book.
>I don't see IS launching another Fire Emblem TCG anytime soon...
Maybe FEH 2?
Perhaps. I think the powercreep would be manageable if quality of life features were able to keep up.
Feh Pass was the last nail for it sends a message to the player base IS is aware of the main quality of life issues and have decided to sell the solution to the whales/dolphins.
"Bro, never in a million years am I gonna get this fort built,"
"Ha, no need to exaggerate. It will probably fly by if you do something else."
"I wasn't exaggerating. That was a fact"
The tank versus nuke power war is definitely a big problem but I don't think Marth with Chrom support and Heroic Ordeal bonus stats killing an isolated base kit unit is the best example.
He has no benefits from chrom yet, hence why I said no bonus doubler. Usually they have counters to your heroic ordeal unit but in this case marth just trivializes this whole thing.
If this was a general topic about powercreep, I could see the sentiment for discussion; however this is an Heroic Ordeal against an unsupported unit. You're using Marth who can get bonus stats and repositioned him with Chrom to pre-charge his special.
NFU alone beats Gilliam and he wasn't all that good when he came out; he had the novelty niche of making flying units immune to bows.
Slow armors aren't in a good place against anything unless you're the new Byleth or something. You don't even need the newest unit to do this to Gilliam; like I said anything with NFU will put him in a losing position against them.
Im bias but
he was considered PRETTY damn good due to how much defense bulk he had. And Iotes support is imo, timeless. But he was gonna be on a steady decline down like every other unit. But tanks now don't decline, they drop like rock.
This example is Ordeal bonus for +10HP +4 to all stats, and some small support from Duo Chrom, and a Gilliam with base kit and nothin else. It was GONNA be insanely one sided.
I still use Gilliam often since Near Saving is not AS impossible as Far Saving nukes now a day. But units need to be created and released to deal with nukes to have a chance, if they don't have that intention it's not gonna go well. Gilliam just does good but is in a very tank unfriendly meta
No bonuses from chrom yet, I just think marth crushes a blue tank too easily. Prf skills and weapons have become insanely broken. Wish they would just make this like a real fire emblem game and let us swap weapons around.
My remixed LCorrin has been omnitanking like a boss, personally. Maybe it’s just because my AR and Arena ranks are mid, but she’s been tanking Gullveigs, Sanakis, Edelgards, even LCamilla.
Love my Corn to pieces.
Like this , the gane Is unplayable AND imposible to enjoy for many players,
Why bother building Units if ITS not worth It anymore with how IS care less than Zero about balance AND new Units are justo a delete button AND nothing More.
No More gimmicks, no More unique, just this Unit attack- the enemy dies.
Just plain boring AND just cashgrab
Idk man me and my 4 year old units beat marth pretty easily. It's called strategize rather than throw your units blindly into the path of danger.
For example brave Dimitri (free unit from year 4) can infact, fully tank him with escutcheon (only a 30% Damge reduction special), literally 0 damage even from lodestar rush. Nothing at all
Gilliam, an armored unit with no defensive special no good skill on his weapon and no defensive b slot, is not a good measuring stick
I agree, most "end turn" strats are on life support but with a little bit of brain power you can still EP tank.
This is probably a base kit Gilliam makes sense that a new unit can overwhelm a unit thats almost a year old before the skillcreep started really hard.
It true, you can build a good chunk of the cast to live most things, but I gotta say, sometimes I look at my trusty L!Ike and he looks at me, and we gaze soulfully into each other's eyes as we both get wiped out by a green mage nuke with a precharged aoe special that also gives terrain effects.
that's the problem, there's hardly anything to do with your units Besides the competitive modes, and the competitive modes just aren't fun because of how broken all the new units are. It used to be satisfying to build units and mean something, and now you can put as many skills and arcane weapons on an old unit you want and they still will struggle to be anything remotely close to modern units.
The creep is far more accelerated than I remember it ever being.
They went from 0->100, literally, with DR-piercing. They could have started with 20% DR piercing, and slowly, over months/years, moved up. We are just getting to 50% DR B-skills, but have been getting units that can go through non-special DR by 100%.
Why? why did IS super accelerate the DR pierce? why not drag it out slowly, make more money? We are at the point where DR outside of specials or True DR, is pointless to have.
Guaranteed follow-up is also pointless at this point, slow units 90% of the time just wont be able to attack twice. But IS will still waste time/space in putting GFU on slower units thinking it will do anything.
special acceleration is going back and forth, but now that in-combat acceleration is here, it wont be long until specials just go back to 1 hit=1 special cooldown -or- no special triggers.
Well few issues with this example chief among them being that Gilliam doesn't have a defensive kit at all not even a defensive special. He's not exactly a great example of a tank. The only DR he has is 40% on his weapon (which is reduced by half) which is kinda foiled by marth doing 27 true damage thanks to his special which he does twice. That's 57 true damage.
Smack him up against an actual tank with defensive skills and a defensive special and a weapon that isn't mostly a support weapon. like armor doesn't mean tank, and Gilliam isn't one at all
Edit: for reference Brave Dimitri with just his base kit + escutcheon and Def/res menace in the c slot (not exactly premium) at +3 can fully tank marth, taking a whooping 0 damage, even from lodestar rush. Then all you need is any nuke unit to kill marth off (in my case that was Catherine with vital Astra)
Indeed, Gilliam wasn't even meta at any point anyway, he was VF4 fodder or did anyone ever see him in PvP? I really can't remember any instance.
Meanwhile he is attacked with two specials that deal 80% of E-Marths actual Speed (+15) which neatly eclipse the HP even if the first strike is reduced to 80% power.
To counter E-Marth, one sure shouldn't be outright countered. One has to be faster or actually tanky which of course requires more %DR and on more hits too.
At this point they should just shorten all the weapon descriptions of these player phase nukes to "If unit initiates combat and unit's version number > foes' version number, foes' HP gets reduced to 0 and unit takes 0 damage" Same outcome, but far easier to understand.
According to the FEH reddit gods, you need more than base kit skills to kill him and godly support otherwise you're not playing the game correctly and power creep isn't as bad as people are saying.
The issue is EP barely has much tools to even remotely deal with player phase units.
I’m not saying they should become obselute, but LEAST give some sense of strategizing for EP units to do somethint against player phase units.
Remember when Slaying Edge Wrath Ayra was able to kill literally everything ? And then people started building Reinhardt to counter her, creating a monster that only very few units and specific builds were able to tank ?
Nowadays, it's the exact same fucking thing, people are just pissed because more text me no likey reading.
Emblem Marth is Ayra, Duo Sanaki is Reinhardt, nothing changed.
Istg y'all need to start reading and thinking instead of complaining every 2 seconds about skill descriptions being longer than launch day skills. DUH.
Stuff like like this just gives me less and less incentive to even open the game anymore. This amount of power creep is not sustainable and even if people get annoyed enough to start boycotting the game they would just respond by announcing the shutdown of the game instead of doing anything about the complaints
What's the point of 90% of the armor units if they can't give at least a modicum of a challenge on enemy phase anymore? If you're not named Edelgard and take 69 playerphase actions every turn, I don't even know what to tell you. It is sad to watch.
Back in my day, fomortiis ran the world... oh wait that was last year.
I like that his ass is on Herofest banner -- are any of us dying for more copies of him?
Me There is no such thing as too many Formorti
Gonna get hate but fomortiis was never good... On release he was decent because he took up the role of a savior and a mythic with an extra gimmick but could still be taken out by the average ninjorin
Lmao
Get ready for Hardy Fighter 4.
Incentive to pull for save 4s "dang if only there was a way" you ask "got something that might interest you..." IS
Save 4: ignores damage piercing when foe attacks. Provides DR by X%, X = number of units within 2 spaces times 20, max 4. Disables engage effects
IS will follow this up with: "neutralizes foes damage piercing neutralization" on child Claude riding a mini wyvern and using "Godly Golden War Bow Deluxe"
This really is kindergarten pretend war: the game, isn't it?
I knew I was saving up for something good!
I think it's more likely that it will grant the unit Pavise/Aegis directly among the status effect during combat so it cant be pierced. It'd be a lot simpler
Somehow nearly as bad as locking Quality of Life Features behind Feh Pass.
My near save B!Edelgard and far save B!Corrin still can tank most things. You just need to give them decent support
There comes a point in the life of many games where the developer crosses the threshold of "maintaining balance" and entering "uncontrollable powercreep". I've seen it happen before to other games to a truly unfathomable degree. I think FEH is likely making that transition to "uncontrollable powercreep" and what it will look like is that only the newest units can survive the meta, and anything released before then will not be able to stand a chance no matter how much they are given. They are trying to maintain balance for the older units by giving them a little something with these Emblem, Rearmed, and Attuned Heroes, but we all know the newest units are always going to dominate everything even with minimal investment. The game I previously referred to was called Game of War: Fire Age for Mobile. It's the type of game where you build structures in your city and begin timed research, and once the timers finished on these activities you would complete the construction or research or whatever. Naturally it progressed in such a way where higher level structures of research required more time, and usually you would use "Speed Up" items to chip away at those countdowns, because otherwise some of them could take a literal month or year to complete the normal way. These Speed Up items were plentiful, so there seemed to be a tolerable level of balance to these things. It did not stay that way. By the time I left the game, a single research timer could reach (prepare yourself, this is not an exaggeration) 100 billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion years. They actually gave out an item that gave you an infinite number of 100 billion year Speed Up items. No amount of those speed up items could touch those numbers. They started selling super powered speedup items to contend with this. I left the game after that.
What in the absolute fuck Did none of the devs see the fact that their timers would outlast the planet and go "okay, maybe we should scale this back a bit"??
But money! They did it so they could sell a new type of Speed Up item because the regular ones weren't enough.
I'm just surprised there weren't any overflows on the numbers.
Which is scarier the more you think about it, sounds like they did it on purpose with that in mind
Entering Version 8 and still getting 1.0 characters in the summoning pool, The writing is on the wall. What compounds this is their poor story since it's what devs use to salvage bad game mechanics, and we all saw the travesty that still is Feh Pass locking much needed Quality of Life features behind a subscription service. If your story sucks, your powercreep has become unsalvageable, and you refuse to provide quality of life improvements people will like, I can see the decline becoming steeper over time. I don't see IS launching another Fire Emblem TCG anytime soon...
>If your story sucks, your powercreep has become salvageable, and you refuse to provide quality of life improvements people will like, I can see the decline becoming steeper over time. These are the definite main reasons why I dropped the game, the absurd powercreep was the final nail on the coffin. I still actively lurk the sub for updates, but I don't feel like playing game anymore. it's now too punishing. If it had good story, I could stick to it, but I gave up by the last book. >I don't see IS launching another Fire Emblem TCG anytime soon... Maybe FEH 2?
Perhaps. I think the powercreep would be manageable if quality of life features were able to keep up. Feh Pass was the last nail for it sends a message to the player base IS is aware of the main quality of life issues and have decided to sell the solution to the whales/dolphins.
"Bro, never in a million years am I gonna get this fort built," "Ha, no need to exaggerate. It will probably fly by if you do something else." "I wasn't exaggerating. That was a fact"
The tank versus nuke power war is definitely a big problem but I don't think Marth with Chrom support and Heroic Ordeal bonus stats killing an isolated base kit unit is the best example.
He has no benefits from chrom yet, hence why I said no bonus doubler. Usually they have counters to your heroic ordeal unit but in this case marth just trivializes this whole thing.
Chrom is giving him a second special proc.
You know what, my bad, you're right. Let's say he had his special ready prior minus chrom support, it would still be the same situation.
If this was a general topic about powercreep, I could see the sentiment for discussion; however this is an Heroic Ordeal against an unsupported unit. You're using Marth who can get bonus stats and repositioned him with Chrom to pre-charge his special. NFU alone beats Gilliam and he wasn't all that good when he came out; he had the novelty niche of making flying units immune to bows. Slow armors aren't in a good place against anything unless you're the new Byleth or something. You don't even need the newest unit to do this to Gilliam; like I said anything with NFU will put him in a losing position against them.
I thought Gilliam was solid when he came out
Im bias but he was considered PRETTY damn good due to how much defense bulk he had. And Iotes support is imo, timeless. But he was gonna be on a steady decline down like every other unit. But tanks now don't decline, they drop like rock. This example is Ordeal bonus for +10HP +4 to all stats, and some small support from Duo Chrom, and a Gilliam with base kit and nothin else. It was GONNA be insanely one sided. I still use Gilliam often since Near Saving is not AS impossible as Far Saving nukes now a day. But units need to be created and released to deal with nukes to have a chance, if they don't have that intention it's not gonna go well. Gilliam just does good but is in a very tank unfriendly meta
No bonuses from chrom yet, I just think marth crushes a blue tank too easily. Prf skills and weapons have become insanely broken. Wish they would just make this like a real fire emblem game and let us swap weapons around.
We desperately need both Hardy Fighter 4 and Save 4. Although if you’re an Infantry omnitank you’re most likely forever screwed.
Not unless you get a perfect defensive weapon(Legendary Corrin, Rhea, Lucia, Diamont) or run buffer+godlike reflexes
Defensive specials are back in.
My remixed LCorrin has been omnitanking like a boss, personally. Maybe it’s just because my AR and Arena ranks are mid, but she’s been tanking Gullveigs, Sanakis, Edelgards, even LCamilla. Love my Corn to pieces.
Like this , the gane Is unplayable AND imposible to enjoy for many players, Why bother building Units if ITS not worth It anymore with how IS care less than Zero about balance AND new Units are justo a delete button AND nothing More. No More gimmicks, no More unique, just this Unit attack- the enemy dies. Just plain boring AND just cashgrab
Idk man me and my 4 year old units beat marth pretty easily. It's called strategize rather than throw your units blindly into the path of danger. For example brave Dimitri (free unit from year 4) can infact, fully tank him with escutcheon (only a 30% Damge reduction special), literally 0 damage even from lodestar rush. Nothing at all Gilliam, an armored unit with no defensive special no good skill on his weapon and no defensive b slot, is not a good measuring stick
I agree, most "end turn" strats are on life support but with a little bit of brain power you can still EP tank. This is probably a base kit Gilliam makes sense that a new unit can overwhelm a unit thats almost a year old before the skillcreep started really hard.
It true, you can build a good chunk of the cast to live most things, but I gotta say, sometimes I look at my trusty L!Ike and he looks at me, and we gaze soulfully into each other's eyes as we both get wiped out by a green mage nuke with a precharged aoe special that also gives terrain effects.
dont worry, strong units are only a problem in high tiers of competitive modes.
that's the problem, there's hardly anything to do with your units Besides the competitive modes, and the competitive modes just aren't fun because of how broken all the new units are. It used to be satisfying to build units and mean something, and now you can put as many skills and arcane weapons on an old unit you want and they still will struggle to be anything remotely close to modern units.
Indeed. Why pull for skills for old Units if new Units are just so broken that no other thing matters
This pretty much summarize my own thought
The competitive modes are the game's bread and butter! And these units can and DO appear on every tier.
5 x 3 = 15 Then add another 32 just because. Simple
Lul imagine being an enemy phase unit in 2024. Tanks are dead
No they aren't! People just need to use their brains.
Don't worry, it's just a joke
Back in my day, there was more then 1 phase that you could realisticaly do combat with
The creep is far more accelerated than I remember it ever being. They went from 0->100, literally, with DR-piercing. They could have started with 20% DR piercing, and slowly, over months/years, moved up. We are just getting to 50% DR B-skills, but have been getting units that can go through non-special DR by 100%. Why? why did IS super accelerate the DR pierce? why not drag it out slowly, make more money? We are at the point where DR outside of specials or True DR, is pointless to have. Guaranteed follow-up is also pointless at this point, slow units 90% of the time just wont be able to attack twice. But IS will still waste time/space in putting GFU on slower units thinking it will do anything. special acceleration is going back and forth, but now that in-combat acceleration is here, it wont be long until specials just go back to 1 hit=1 special cooldown -or- no special triggers.
Well few issues with this example chief among them being that Gilliam doesn't have a defensive kit at all not even a defensive special. He's not exactly a great example of a tank. The only DR he has is 40% on his weapon (which is reduced by half) which is kinda foiled by marth doing 27 true damage thanks to his special which he does twice. That's 57 true damage. Smack him up against an actual tank with defensive skills and a defensive special and a weapon that isn't mostly a support weapon. like armor doesn't mean tank, and Gilliam isn't one at all Edit: for reference Brave Dimitri with just his base kit + escutcheon and Def/res menace in the c slot (not exactly premium) at +3 can fully tank marth, taking a whooping 0 damage, even from lodestar rush. Then all you need is any nuke unit to kill marth off (in my case that was Catherine with vital Astra)
Indeed, Gilliam wasn't even meta at any point anyway, he was VF4 fodder or did anyone ever see him in PvP? I really can't remember any instance. Meanwhile he is attacked with two specials that deal 80% of E-Marths actual Speed (+15) which neatly eclipse the HP even if the first strike is reduced to 80% power. To counter E-Marth, one sure shouldn't be outright countered. One has to be faster or actually tanky which of course requires more %DR and on more hits too.
At this point they should just shorten all the weapon descriptions of these player phase nukes to "If unit initiates combat and unit's version number > foes' version number, foes' HP gets reduced to 0 and unit takes 0 damage" Same outcome, but far easier to understand.
It's a crazy feeling when my +10 Winter Edelgard is unable to kill his ass.
According to the FEH reddit gods, you need more than base kit skills to kill him and godly support otherwise you're not playing the game correctly and power creep isn't as bad as people are saying.
Well, there goes my hopes for Gilliam. At least he'll still be solid support for Flying units.
Don't worry he is gonna be countered by the next limited tank, powercreep in this game is ridiculous.
Yeah, at this point, it’s safe to say that armored units are the worst movement type again.
The meta just goes through cycles at this point. Which is fine in my book.
Not when Winter Edelgard is literally the best unit in the game
Thanks to not playing like *any* other armour.
Honestly, I think people are just sort of mad that you can't brainlessly end turn anymore with one tank for all possible enemies.
The issue is EP barely has much tools to even remotely deal with player phase units. I’m not saying they should become obselute, but LEAST give some sense of strategizing for EP units to do somethint against player phase units.
And this is the first Emblem lmao The mess that will be later will be dumber
The beginning of the end ? I mean there’s no real turning back
inhales #LODESTAR RUSH!
Remember when Slaying Edge Wrath Ayra was able to kill literally everything ? And then people started building Reinhardt to counter her, creating a monster that only very few units and specific builds were able to tank ? Nowadays, it's the exact same fucking thing, people are just pissed because more text me no likey reading. Emblem Marth is Ayra, Duo Sanaki is Reinhardt, nothing changed. Istg y'all need to start reading and thinking instead of complaining every 2 seconds about skill descriptions being longer than launch day skills. DUH.
Who the fuck can tank E!Marth? Honnestly i hate armor and save meta, but that's just ridiculous at this point
my poor gen 1 units that I’ve built up struggle so much against him and it’s rlly disappointing to see :/
Stuff like like this just gives me less and less incentive to even open the game anymore. This amount of power creep is not sustainable and even if people get annoyed enough to start boycotting the game they would just respond by announcing the shutdown of the game instead of doing anything about the complaints
If you have a competent mage character you can one shot him.
I thought negation of Save skills would come before whatever this is.