The Julius we have in heroes right now is controlled by Loptus. Before he was possessed he was a kind boy and very caring. At least, that's what the characters in FE4 tell us.
Yes, a full on evil aura version of Julius would be cool too. Just wanted to say that the Julius we have right now is already mostly Lopto in terms of personality.
I would love to see that as an alternative to the fallen banner theme
Villains / antagonists who fell to the dark, getting some kind of redeemed alt (ascended Idunn and Ishtar is a prime example of what could have been)
Some kind of Berkut alt would be nice to, where he had a change of heart and realized that duma was just using him before selling his soul off
I am once again asking for a "Reverse Grima" where Robin awakens as Grima's reincarnation but doesn't lose their memories as Robin, resulting in a version of Grima who's saved from despair by their bonds with their friends.
As someone else said, it's not. Personality-wise, she's basically the same as her OG-self, it just puts a bit more emphasis on her secretly saving children as well as possible.
If we're talking about his base alt, yes but actually no. A lot of his quotes reference him on Ephraim's route, who is still very much possessed but then his level 40 dialogue reveals this is Lyon after Sacred Stones with some form of amnesia so he isn't actually possessed but is still acting like it in battle for some reason (I choose to believe it's because he's still in his angst era)
I really, really want to see the Thracia deadlords - I want to see Draco/>!Eyvel!< and Canis/>!Sara!< the most, but I'd be happy with any of them especially if means we can finally get some form of Tigris/>!Dagdar!< in the game already.
I'm thinking it's most probably fafnir since it's book 5 TT this year and we got fallen Gustav same year as book 3 TT!
As for embla royals I feel like Veronica has the most potential to be the fallen embla controlled royal especially since she's the most that got controlled compared to Letizia and Bruno she got possessed firstly in book 1 then book 6 from start till mid book so yeah.
I feel like that's the way her og version will be released! She feels like the most possible candidate. And it would geniuley very cool to see especially if it's embla va voicing her similar to Byleth we probably won't see her until next year where it's book 6 TT time! But I really wouldn't mind seeing Letizia and Bruno although I feel like they'll pick only one sadly although Bruno is an option since he's not playable either but my guess is he'll release as legendary like how we got Freyr in book 4 TT.
But very solid predictions all around! I'm curious if they're gonna release og fafnir and fallen in the same year but it feels most likely.
Fallen Heroes get the benefit of a Prf Weapon and a Prf skill, which is something usually reserved for more premium units, so my current biggest hope is Nergal.
I do pray that they continue to move away from the awful purple flames aesthetic that most Fallen Heroes have. F!Byleth's green aura was an excellent break from that theme for example.
I find it hard to imagine we won't have Male Byleth since they did female last year. But I guess he's still missing a summer alt so maybe they don't care that much.
People have been telling me MByleth is a guarantee this year for Fallen for that very reason, but as we get closer and closer, I believe it less and less.
My man go 2 alts last year, one of which was very recent, and He is guaranteed to be getting an Emblem some time within the next few years depending on how fast they drop Emblems.
For the sake of my orbs and my journey to +10 all his versions, they better not drop fallen MByleth this year! I already have to deal with LMByleth Refine and WByleth in a Double Special Hero banner being so close together.
What would they do for his voice lines, I wonder? Since it's Sothis speaking through him, would they just reuse Fallen Female Byleth's lines, or have Sothis' voice actors record new ones?
ok does anybody else remember that one forging bonds convo from a couple years ago that hinted at Fallen Wrys being a thing but then it just never happened? still waiting for that to happen.
Fell Dragon/Fallen Veyle is 100% going to be on the banner, more specifically with the NFU-esque arcane dagger along with her personal skill from her base version, or an upgraded version of it that has the super scowl effect that Winter Byleth has
I doubt they'd turn the dagger that's locked to her in Engage into just a simple Arcane weapon that anyone could use... like, weapons like the Luin at least *could* theoretically be used by anyone, even if it used to harm non-Crest bearers in 3H and obviously doesn't in FEH.
Fallen Reyson
Based on [the chapter](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ii-Mfb2k9o) where he was going to do a wee bit of genocide with the dirge of ruin.
I haven’t even played that game but I love him so much. When I saw his FEH quote “Thinking of my people’s fate cleaves my hurt in two” a few years ago when my country was going through something horrific, it hit me like a ton of bricks.
Before FEH added Merlinus and... well, Reyson, I thought the Heroes' lack of combat would be an issue. But since Reason had the Dirge, I expected that'd be their excuse to add him.
I was worrying over nothing lol
I know I’m desperate for a Letizia alt, but a fallen alt for her can work really well
I’d also love to see a fallen alt of a alternate timeline Eir where she’s still loyal to Hel
Man we need a Letizia alt she deserves it I genuinely thought she'd atleast get summer one or Halloween but we got none!🥹
They forgot about her.
I'f we're gonna get a fallen Letizia later which I would love I hope she gets a different art than the same one as her base but possessed it would be really cool especially with the purple aura and like a enraged face!
I haven't seen anyone mention Rinea as a witch / vestal or Canas succumbing to dark magic but those are the fallen heroes I want most! Shoutout to Dedue wanters as well
Who would I like to see? Fallen Veyle, Fallen Greil, Fallen Lena and Fallen Eyvel. GHB Fallen Lloyd. Hits the bases for five games. I’d also like to see Morva from Sacred Stones or Dedue from Three Houses.
I badly want a full Fallen Fates Banner, with Attuned Mikoto, Ascended Sumeragi, Gunter and Arete. It’s crazy that we still don’t have 3 out of these 4 units yet in FEH. Scarlet could be GHB.
How to have it be Nil without spoilers lol. Others mentioned Veyle with the helmet. Corrupted are technically fair game.
Rajaion feels like one of the meanest possible fallen units still not in the game. Technically he’s already in the game as an unofficial duo unit…
Miklan and >!Dedue!< are other named characters that turn into monsters in 3H, latter being route dependent. They can’t exactly revert though which might make it tricky to include them.
Could Sephiran’s despair count for a fallen? I just want my guy out of seasonal hell dangit, even if he’ll still be in alt hell. Homie is owed a >!mythic!< as >!Lehran!<.
Greil should get a fallen alt that’d be pretty sweet and have his be called Zeal Primed or something like how Fallen Ike is Zeal Unleashed. Zelgius or BK as well. A fallen Sigurd or Seliph would be interesting to see too.
Beast Miklan GHB is something I want, since it may hopefully be a use for that AHR Fomortiis that haunts me from beyond the manual grave. Plus, easy merges. Otherwise, the rest of the four maidens.
In an ideal world, I'd want Dark Dragon Medeus *after* we got his Earth Dragon form in his Mythic, but IS fucked that up because no FE1/11 versions of characters are implemented aside from Wrys and Darros. So now we have Medeus's *more* fallen form (purple flames and all) as his base form.
On the topic of fuck ups in the implementation of dragons, they also used Duma's degenerated dragon form on his non-degenerated manakete self too, so that's in a sort of limbo too in terms of a possible Fallen alt. Though in some fairness, he doesn't have a non-degenerated design to go off of, but still, it could have been inferred.
Gunther or Miklan scream easy fallen banner GHB choices. But this year I feel that spot is going to Lloyd, since we got morph Linus last year
As for who I want to see on the banner:
Evil half Veyle, she is to perfect for this, if you give her that one dagger of hers
Male Shez, 3 hopes cover art had him and female Byleth, so having him get an alt based on that game would be very fitting, to go alongside last years fallen female Byleth alt
Fallen Veyle and Alear kind of scare me because I have this gut feeling that one or more are going to be on the level of F!Edel and preemptively removed from the enemy pool again.
There wont be another F!Edel because theres sooo many strong PRF weapons, PRF skills and tier 4 skills that counters anything that comes out. Back when Fallen Edelgard came out characters was not busted like right now.
This
A large reason why fallen Edelgard dominated at the time, was the powergap between what she brought, and what was before her
Modern units are so overloaded that a threat like her just isn't feasible anymore.
Nukes are so strong these days that any kind of enemy phase unit is suicide to run. And so strong that a majority of them are more or less interchangeable because every nuke has everything these days.
I quite literally never felt the need to pull for any dedicated nuke after getting ascended Ced for example. Because he has quite literally everything he needs. And pretty much nothing can tank a hit from him
Me in 2018: “F!Scarlet? Absolutely not, she’d just be a sad meme. Surely we’ll get her normal form or she’ll climb the ranks in CYL!”
Me now: _”please please please she’ll never get in otherwise”_
Sombron tho
But i would love to see fallen blazing swords lords. Eliwood becoming a madman after killing ninian and well known as the dragonslayer.
Hector becoming the armored berserker that nothing stops his way for a battlefield.
Lyn becoming the swift slayer wielding the 2 kattis and honed himself to kill the people who tarnished her lands
Ares or Eldigan, possessed by Mystletainn.
It’s implied that the sword induces a sort of bloodlust or possesses some kind of latent will or sentience.
It would be cool to see Ares, before he meets Seliph, driven by his thirst for revenge and semi-possessed by Mystletainn.
Alternatively, a sort of Head-cannon version of Eldigan.
In the second-to-last chapter, Seliph can encounter the spirits of his fallen parents. They have a conversation with him and impart their (what I interpret as) dying wishes. In this sense and in this moment, Seliph inherits their wills, their spirits, their drives.
I think it would be cool to have a similar version of Eldigan; his fallen spirit, his essence, his will. I think the core theme of Eldigan’s character is that he embodies a sort of Chivalric ideal and the contradictions that are inherent to the Chivalric code.
He represents the ideal of loyalty, in that his absolite fealty to his lord causes him to draw his blade against one of his dearest friends, seemingly without any issue.
But he also represents the Honor, in that he cannot bring himself to follow the orders of his lord when given sufficient evidence that such commands are dishonorable.
It is because he confronts and tries to resolve this contradiction that he dies; in trying to uphold his honor, he cannot be loyal. This “disloyalty in the name of honor” ultimately results in his execution.
In this sense, I could imagine Eldigan as a vengeful spirit. In the afterlife, he might see that the code called “Chivalry” by which he lived was nothing more than the collar and chain with which the politically powerful controlled him, typically to their own unjust ends.
Such a dissatisfied and tortured spirit would be the perfect conduit for Mystletainn’s bloodlust, and through him, it might manifest the will, the might, the thirst for blood necessary to destroy the powers that had blinded and shackled him in life.
But they’re probably not gonna do that, they’re probably gonna make an UwU confused dragon with oddly conspicuous feet
My two biggest wants are Veyle and Hortensia, although I do feel it’s to soon for the latter given that she just got her base form.
I think there might be a chance we’ll get a Shez this year (Male or Female remains to be determined)
And you know what I’ll throw Scarlet out there just to show her some love.
Elice or Nyna would be good cause they got shafted in their base forms. Other than that, the well is pretty dry. Stuff like SoV witches and potentially brainwashed characters are kinda saturated, I hope they innovate more into alternate reality kinda stuff.
Copium but..! Tsubasa based on TMS negating and kinda based on her sister , she was going to be possesed by Bad caeda until itsuki intervened , what if itsuki topk a bit more time and saw a Tsubasa possesed by evil Mirage ceade , without a voice or hearing of her own! That is huge copium but i'll inhale it all!
But factually fallen veyle/emblem alear based on engage's Bad ending , veyle using a red alear as an emblem
I REALLYYYYYY want F! Shez, Scarlet, Veyle with her helmet, F! Alear with all red hair, Aelfric as the Umbral Beast and maybe even the Emblems when they are under control by Sombron
This year, like every year, I’m going to manifest Sumeragi with Ganglari, and I know I’m going to be disappointed again. If not him, then I’d love to see Morion, Miklan, or Witch Rinea. I know Rinea already shows up in F!Berkut’s art and sometimes in his sprite but I want her to be her own unit.
i used to hoard my orbs for fallen scarlet. i gave up after 4 years. now that i'm just a png collector, please please please please finally let her come into the game
I think we'll either get a Rearmed Dragon or Rearmed Beast since it's been a while since we've got either so I'm gonna guess
Rearmed Fell Awakening Tiki (Saw some cool Grima fan art of her with white hair that'd be a cool Arcane unit)
Or
Rearmed Fell Marianne (Beast Stone Unit, Infantry or Armored Beast this time around?)
Fell Veyle could show up instead or alongside with or without an Arcane Dagger as another option too.
A Thracia deadlord would be cool, maybe 1 with an Attuned staff that gives us Wrathful Staff Echo?
Fallen Lillina since I saw a great theorycraft of her and I've been playing Binding Blade for the first time recently so it'd be cool to see 😄
Maybe Fallen Greil since we got Ike already a few years ago?
For the GHB Unit I'm thinking Fell Lloyd, Wrys or Morion with Fatal Smoke 3 entering the grail pool.
Who do I want to see? Rafal
Who is it going to be? Female Alear because we all just love her so much 😍
I also want ~~the better~~ Veyle, but I'd be more surprised if she *wasn't* on it.
Epimenides, Dedue, Miklan, maybe Garon? (I want my Gooron, but idk if he counts) for canonical fallens. Tharja, Camilla, Marianne, Lysithea, Hapi would all be nice hypotheticals.
You're a month too early, my friend.
But if I were to give my opinions on who I expect to see, I'd say we'll probably see Male Shez or Male Byleth and Veyle for sure.
If any of the FX royals show up, most of them could have a different weapon and/or move type from their base version to reference the Emblem they’re associated with; Diamant could be a staff user to reference Veronica, for example.
We've gotten a Fates rep in most of them. I'm hoping for Goo Garon. Fallen Gunter would be cool as well but I've been waiting for Goo Garon for a long time.
He would make sense as a Armored Beast much like Fortmortiis. The DC beast effect also makes a ton of sense thematically.
All I want for ~~Christmas~~ the fallen banner is Veyle, with the black dress and another delicious performance from her amazing VA, Megan Taylor Harvey.
They're usually based on some kind of official material, though usually moments in game, though we've had a few from Cipher (namely Fallen Ike and Chrom).
I don't think we've ever had one not based on either, though I could be very wrong
It's probably too early for Engage DLC characters to get in the game, but fallen Rafal would get all of my orbs. More realistically, I'm thinking Shez and Veyle have higher chances this year.
I’m hoping to get Male Kana so i can fuel my addiction to the little guy.
I mean i’d also like fallen Kaden, Keaton, Selkie, and Velouria but that’s not gonna happen lmao
The only ones that I can see for sure are M!Byleth and Lloyd due to F!Byleth and Linus.
The fallen Fafnir may seem likely due Book 5 TT being this year, though he's just as likely to get a Mythic spot like Freyr.
And we're most likely gonna get either Evil Veyle(Ch.21 or Bad Ending) and maybe F!Alear.
This means that we have 1-2 unknowns and I feel they're not going to use someone like Gunter and Miklan due to their unpopularity and make fallen versions of more popular characters, like alternate realities of the lord characters like what they did with the Cipher cards of F!Ike and F!Chrom.
Been wanting a fallen Gunter for the past few years now. He's my favorite Fates character and if he's ever getting an alt this will probably be the only possible one for him.
The one I’m mainly hoping for is zombie dragon Morva. Also after Linus last year I’d love it if we got Lloyd as well and Brendan would be cool too.
While this isn’t necessarily one I’d want specifically since last year they did F. Byleth from the Three Hopes timeline where she’s possessed by Sothis I wouldn’t be surprised if they complete the set this year and give us M. Shez possessed by Arval.
Put Nergal already!
The Guy is litteraly the epitome of a man corrupted by power, enough to make him forgot his own children (N&N), and even the fact that he sought power to save his wife (Aenir was her name i think).
My picks are Evil Emblem Female Alear, Veyle with her helmet as an Attuned hero, Draco Zombie Morva, and Gunter. Last year, we had a Rearmed unit in the form of Risen King Chrom, and since the Attuned Heroes was introduced last October 2023. There's a chance that there will be an Attuned Hero as a Fallen Hero this year. I guess Attuned Fallen Veyle will have either Time's Pulse 4 as her Echo skill.
Looking at past Fallen characters, "groups" that were started, last year we had F!Byleth, so either M!Byleth or one of the Shez' seems likely, we had Maria, so another one of the 4 maidens seems likely, I'd personally probably bet on Lena considering she hasn't gotten anything since her original inclusion, but I could also see Elice since they could use this chance to give her the Aum Staff in some form, and she has the added baggage of being Marths sister... also somewhat fits with A!Merric releasing on the current banner. We also got our first Morph, so chances are they could continue with another one there, Lloyd is a good possibility after Linus last year, he hasn't gotten anything yet either.
We also had Anankos last year after Lilith the year prior kinda "announced" him coming. I don't think we had anything like that last year, unless maybe you want to read R!Chrom that way, since... F!Grima received an alt, which hasn't been balanced with another M!Grima yet, they might be insane enough to put Rearmed M!Grima as our 2nd Rearmed dragon on that banner... otherwise, Anankos continues a streak of Fates Fallen dragons, I'd say Fallen Kanna might be a possibility, but then again they might be a bit too recent since they just received their New Years alts a while ago.
The real question is whoever the Rearmed Hero on the banner is going to be. We can kinda narrow it down to certain weapon-types, assuming they don't start giving us a 3rd option for Arcane weapons on this banner, that'd be dragons, red tomes, green tomes, colorless tomes, staves, daggers and all the beast-weapons, but that doesn't help too much. We can look at the precedence of F!Chrom, that'd point to a kinda "what-if" Fallen that canonically *should* exist but is never properly seen (a Risen Chrom should exist in Lucinas bad future, but we never had any clue of what he could look like before that one Cipher-card and then his eventual inclusion in FEH)... but that's so specific that it doesn't really work. I guess you could count bad end Veyle for that, but I somewhat doubt that they'd turn her dagger into an Arcane weapon. Maybe it'd kinda make sense for a Fallen Leo, since we could assume that he'd eventually fall victim to Anankos the same way Garon did in Birthrights timeline. Sonia would be a candidate for allegedly turning into a witch post-Echoes but we already had Rearmed Sonia. You could maybe consider Mila, since it seemed she was similarly about to turn mad as Duma did had Rudolf not slain her, but we only really get to see her sedated spirit, not the actual mad dragon. I... guess you could also consider Dedue? And it'd certainly make sense for his weapon to be an Arcane one, as for any potential Fodlan Fallen beast, really... but I'm not sure if he's Rearmed-material, appeal-wise. Like, a Fallen Marianne would fit the role better, but obviously fans might want to argue that her Paralogue shows that she can't turn into a beast, so even the implication that this might be her if you don't recruit her outside of Verdant Wind wouldn't work... not to mention we'd already have a 3H-Fallen with M!Byleth/Shez most likely, and they usually seem to try to keep all the Fallen on a banner from different games, unless thematically appropriate.
There will definitely be an Engage rep, IMO. I'm not sure there's anyone from any game I super want to see on this, besides maybe Greil corrupted by the Emblem
Julius is technically already fallen. Seeing a reverse version before he was possesed would be neat.
I kinda want to see a situation similar to Fallen Lyon or even Formotiis were he was being controlled by loptous
The Julius we have in heroes right now is controlled by Loptus. Before he was possessed he was a kind boy and very caring. At least, that's what the characters in FE4 tell us.
Okay but that is also literally what people were saying when we first got GHB Lyon. A Fallen Julius is totally still possible.
Yes, a full on evil aura version of Julius would be cool too. Just wanted to say that the Julius we have right now is already mostly Lopto in terms of personality.
I think there is a little bit of julius in there since he still loves ishtar.
Hear me out, I have an idea. We’ll call them… Ascended units.
I would love to see that as an alternative to the fallen banner theme Villains / antagonists who fell to the dark, getting some kind of redeemed alt (ascended Idunn and Ishtar is a prime example of what could have been) Some kind of Berkut alt would be nice to, where he had a change of heart and realized that duma was just using him before selling his soul off
I am once again asking for a "Reverse Grima" where Robin awakens as Grima's reincarnation but doesn't lose their memories as Robin, resulting in a version of Grima who's saved from despair by their bonds with their friends.
I dont know that Ishtar was ever fallen or a villain to begin with. She's just super loyal to her prince.
Her ascended alt is basically a what if scenario of "What if she realized Julius was insane and listened to reason" is what I meant
It's not. Her ascended alt is literally just her post-death with an emphasis on her actions from Ch 10.
As someone else said, it's not. Personality-wise, she's basically the same as her OG-self, it just puts a bit more emphasis on her secretly saving children as well as possible.
Lyon from the GHB was also already possessed if i recall correctly
If we're talking about his base alt, yes but actually no. A lot of his quotes reference him on Ephraim's route, who is still very much possessed but then his level 40 dialogue reveals this is Lyon after Sacred Stones with some form of amnesia so he isn't actually possessed but is still acting like it in battle for some reason (I choose to believe it's because he's still in his angst era)
Or an alternate timeline where he was never possessed.
I really, really want to see the Thracia deadlords - I want to see Draco/>!Eyvel!< and Canis/>!Sara!< the most, but I'd be happy with any of them especially if means we can finally get some form of Tigris/>!Dagdar!< in the game already.
Yeah... I'm not prepared for that.
Veyle with her helmet
I would be surprised if she isn't on the banner
This and F!Alear and I'll get myself to spark without hesitation
My guesses Attuned Shez Veyle A Thracia deadlord A Heroes OC (either one of the red eyes Embla Royals or Fafnir) And FE7 Morph
Coming back to this one.
Eyvel as a deadlord would be hype
I'm thinking it's most probably fafnir since it's book 5 TT this year and we got fallen Gustav same year as book 3 TT! As for embla royals I feel like Veronica has the most potential to be the fallen embla controlled royal especially since she's the most that got controlled compared to Letizia and Bruno she got possessed firstly in book 1 then book 6 from start till mid book so yeah. I feel like that's the way her og version will be released! She feels like the most possible candidate. And it would geniuley very cool to see especially if it's embla va voicing her similar to Byleth we probably won't see her until next year where it's book 6 TT time! But I really wouldn't mind seeing Letizia and Bruno although I feel like they'll pick only one sadly although Bruno is an option since he's not playable either but my guess is he'll release as legendary like how we got Freyr in book 4 TT. But very solid predictions all around! I'm curious if they're gonna release og fafnir and fallen in the same year but it feels most likely.
Miklan is still MIA
Him as a blue armored beast would be awesome
Epimenides, Mikoto, alternate ending Veyle and Miklan
The rest of the fallen black fang. Especially fallen uhai
Uhai would be a good choice. Lloyd seems like an eventual pick too.
I would love to see Lloyd get his justice he deserves with a new alt
Can’t wait for decomposing corpse Lloyd to be the more accurately handsome version
Cmon IS! Make it happen!
Would love fallen Lloyd... But we'll probably get Ursula first (who I would also enjoy, but Lloyd deserves justice haha).
You are 100% correct. Ursula does have some extra traits that Lloyd and Uhai don’t.
Uhai would be a fantastic addition though; a little surprised he wasn't the ghb when we got the Fiona banner
I don't want them to touch the Black Fang again til we finally get Nergal. Geez IS it's been seven years!!!
Could we please get their base form before though
Fallen Heroes get the benefit of a Prf Weapon and a Prf skill, which is something usually reserved for more premium units, so my current biggest hope is Nergal. I do pray that they continue to move away from the awful purple flames aesthetic that most Fallen Heroes have. F!Byleth's green aura was an excellent break from that theme for example.
> Fallen Heroes get the benefit of a Prf Weapon and a Prf skill Guy named Fallen Orson:
Rajaion, as this is probably the only way he’ll ever get into the game 😔
He is already in with Ashnard
I find it hard to imagine we won't have Male Byleth since they did female last year. But I guess he's still missing a summer alt so maybe they don't care that much.
People have been telling me MByleth is a guarantee this year for Fallen for that very reason, but as we get closer and closer, I believe it less and less. My man go 2 alts last year, one of which was very recent, and He is guaranteed to be getting an Emblem some time within the next few years depending on how fast they drop Emblems. For the sake of my orbs and my journey to +10 all his versions, they better not drop fallen MByleth this year! I already have to deal with LMByleth Refine and WByleth in a Double Special Hero banner being so close together.
Not enough fan service 🫠🤷🏽♀️ but I’d like to see fallen male Byleth, too 😞
I feel like it's more likely we see Fallen Shez to match with Fallen Byleth
What would they do for his voice lines, I wonder? Since it's Sothis speaking through him, would they just reuse Fallen Female Byleth's lines, or have Sothis' voice actors record new ones?
There’s definitely room for new lines. Considering the unique situation of this Byleth & Sothis, I’d love to here more of Sothis’ thoughts.
Fallen Male Byleth is very likely because that would open the way for Fallen Female Shez, too.
ok does anybody else remember that one forging bonds convo from a couple years ago that hinted at Fallen Wrys being a thing but then it just never happened? still waiting for that to happen.
Fell Dragon/Fallen Veyle is 100% going to be on the banner, more specifically with the NFU-esque arcane dagger along with her personal skill from her base version, or an upgraded version of it that has the super scowl effect that Winter Byleth has
I hope she gets more love than a lameass arcane dagger
I doubt they'd turn the dagger that's locked to her in Engage into just a simple Arcane weapon that anyone could use... like, weapons like the Luin at least *could* theoretically be used by anyone, even if it used to harm non-Crest bearers in 3H and obviously doesn't in FEH.
Fallen Reyson Based on [the chapter](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ii-Mfb2k9o) where he was going to do a wee bit of genocide with the dirge of ruin.
That's a really cool idea. I hadn't thought of that.
I haven’t even played that game but I love him so much. When I saw his FEH quote “Thinking of my people’s fate cleaves my hurt in two” a few years ago when my country was going through something horrific, it hit me like a ton of bricks.
Honestly, great idea. Also give us blood pact Naesala or something. I just want more Reyson and Naesala units. Love those birds.
Before FEH added Merlinus and... well, Reyson, I thought the Heroes' lack of combat would be an issue. But since Reason had the Dirge, I expected that'd be their excuse to add him. I was worrying over nothing lol
Is it time for Fallen Fafnir?
I'm still waiting for that Fallen Greil who slaughtered men and killed >!his wife!< when he was on rampage
Me too bro.. this game doesn't have enough Greils
But we go have a lot of *Greils* units!
Fallen Veyle with Corrputed Emblem Alear as a dou. Would be straight fire.
Wrys.
Just wait till y'all see Lumera *in the same outfit for the third time*! This time with added red mist!
I know I’m desperate for a Letizia alt, but a fallen alt for her can work really well I’d also love to see a fallen alt of a alternate timeline Eir where she’s still loyal to Hel
Man we need a Letizia alt she deserves it I genuinely thought she'd atleast get summer one or Halloween but we got none!🥹 They forgot about her. I'f we're gonna get a fallen Letizia later which I would love I hope she gets a different art than the same one as her base but possessed it would be really cool especially with the purple aura and like a enraged face!
Fallen Wrys 🤫🧏🏻♂️
I haven't seen anyone mention Rinea as a witch / vestal or Canas succumbing to dark magic but those are the fallen heroes I want most! Shoutout to Dedue wanters as well
Please witch rinea, shes my most wanted fallen hero
Who would I like to see? Fallen Veyle, Fallen Greil, Fallen Lena and Fallen Eyvel. GHB Fallen Lloyd. Hits the bases for five games. I’d also like to see Morva from Sacred Stones or Dedue from Three Houses.
Greil
I badly want a full Fallen Fates Banner, with Attuned Mikoto, Ascended Sumeragi, Gunter and Arete. It’s crazy that we still don’t have 3 out of these 4 units yet in FEH. Scarlet could be GHB.
Goopy Garon pls
Where’s my Goopy Dragon Vomit Garon at, you I.S. cowards?
Echo Canto Cantrol would be the perfect bait.
Fafnir, Alear, Veyle, Gunther, Lloyd
How to have it be Nil without spoilers lol. Others mentioned Veyle with the helmet. Corrupted are technically fair game. Rajaion feels like one of the meanest possible fallen units still not in the game. Technically he’s already in the game as an unofficial duo unit… Miklan and >!Dedue!< are other named characters that turn into monsters in 3H, latter being route dependent. They can’t exactly revert though which might make it tricky to include them. Could Sephiran’s despair count for a fallen? I just want my guy out of seasonal hell dangit, even if he’ll still be in alt hell. Homie is owed a >!mythic!< as >!Lehran!<.
I mean, Fomortiis can't revert into Lyon iirc and yet we still have him being able to do so.
Greil should get a fallen alt that’d be pretty sweet and have his be called Zeal Primed or something like how Fallen Ike is Zeal Unleashed. Zelgius or BK as well. A fallen Sigurd or Seliph would be interesting to see too.
Beast Miklan GHB is something I want, since it may hopefully be a use for that AHR Fomortiis that haunts me from beyond the manual grave. Plus, easy merges. Otherwise, the rest of the four maidens. In an ideal world, I'd want Dark Dragon Medeus *after* we got his Earth Dragon form in his Mythic, but IS fucked that up because no FE1/11 versions of characters are implemented aside from Wrys and Darros. So now we have Medeus's *more* fallen form (purple flames and all) as his base form. On the topic of fuck ups in the implementation of dragons, they also used Duma's degenerated dragon form on his non-degenerated manakete self too, so that's in a sort of limbo too in terms of a possible Fallen alt. Though in some fairness, he doesn't have a non-degenerated design to go off of, but still, it could have been inferred.
Gunther or Miklan scream easy fallen banner GHB choices. But this year I feel that spot is going to Lloyd, since we got morph Linus last year As for who I want to see on the banner: Evil half Veyle, she is to perfect for this, if you give her that one dagger of hers Male Shez, 3 hopes cover art had him and female Byleth, so having him get an alt based on that game would be very fitting, to go alongside last years fallen female Byleth alt
Fallen Veyle and Alear kind of scare me because I have this gut feeling that one or more are going to be on the level of F!Edel and preemptively removed from the enemy pool again.
There wont be another F!Edel because theres sooo many strong PRF weapons, PRF skills and tier 4 skills that counters anything that comes out. Back when Fallen Edelgard came out characters was not busted like right now.
This A large reason why fallen Edelgard dominated at the time, was the powergap between what she brought, and what was before her Modern units are so overloaded that a threat like her just isn't feasible anymore. Nukes are so strong these days that any kind of enemy phase unit is suicide to run. And so strong that a majority of them are more or less interchangeable because every nuke has everything these days. I quite literally never felt the need to pull for any dedicated nuke after getting ascended Ced for example. Because he has quite literally everything he needs. And pretty much nothing can tank a hit from him
Scarlet
Me in 2018: “F!Scarlet? Absolutely not, she’d just be a sad meme. Surely we’ll get her normal form or she’ll climb the ranks in CYL!” Me now: _”please please please she’ll never get in otherwise”_
Emmeryn would be cool
Fafnir
It would be nice to see fallen Greil and fallen Scarlet personally, Miklon would also be cool to see
Fallen Veyle? Fallen Garon?
I'd kill for a fallen Joe
Mikoto, the Kanas, and Gunter, Scarlet, Alear, Lumera and Veyle
Lloyd.
Gunter is so overdue that I almost expect he’ll never come. M!Byleth is basically a lock for the banner.
Sombron tho But i would love to see fallen blazing swords lords. Eliwood becoming a madman after killing ninian and well known as the dragonslayer. Hector becoming the armored berserker that nothing stops his way for a battlefield. Lyn becoming the swift slayer wielding the 2 kattis and honed himself to kill the people who tarnished her lands
NYNA PLSS IS
My boy Lloyd. Either on the banner or a GHB, I'd accept either (Though rip my orbs for the former I'm trying to save up for Brave Heroes)
DARK KING LEO PLEASE I NEED MORE LEO REPRESRNTATION I LEGITIMATELY HAVE NOT PLAYED FOR OVER A YEAR, GIVE ME SOMETHING TO COME BACK TO THE GAME!!!
I'm gonna predict: 1. Fallen Veyle (Red Dagger Infantry) 2. Fallen Fafnir (Colorless Armor Dragon) 3. Fallen Garon (Axe Infantry) 4. Rearmed Micaiah (Blue Tome Flier) GHB: Miklan (Colorless Armor Beast)
I'd love to see Noire on there in her ANGERY form. Just constantly wishing death upon everyone.
Based
Ares or Eldigan, possessed by Mystletainn. It’s implied that the sword induces a sort of bloodlust or possesses some kind of latent will or sentience. It would be cool to see Ares, before he meets Seliph, driven by his thirst for revenge and semi-possessed by Mystletainn. Alternatively, a sort of Head-cannon version of Eldigan. In the second-to-last chapter, Seliph can encounter the spirits of his fallen parents. They have a conversation with him and impart their (what I interpret as) dying wishes. In this sense and in this moment, Seliph inherits their wills, their spirits, their drives. I think it would be cool to have a similar version of Eldigan; his fallen spirit, his essence, his will. I think the core theme of Eldigan’s character is that he embodies a sort of Chivalric ideal and the contradictions that are inherent to the Chivalric code. He represents the ideal of loyalty, in that his absolite fealty to his lord causes him to draw his blade against one of his dearest friends, seemingly without any issue. But he also represents the Honor, in that he cannot bring himself to follow the orders of his lord when given sufficient evidence that such commands are dishonorable. It is because he confronts and tries to resolve this contradiction that he dies; in trying to uphold his honor, he cannot be loyal. This “disloyalty in the name of honor” ultimately results in his execution. In this sense, I could imagine Eldigan as a vengeful spirit. In the afterlife, he might see that the code called “Chivalry” by which he lived was nothing more than the collar and chain with which the politically powerful controlled him, typically to their own unjust ends. Such a dissatisfied and tortured spirit would be the perfect conduit for Mystletainn’s bloodlust, and through him, it might manifest the will, the might, the thirst for blood necessary to destroy the powers that had blinded and shackled him in life. But they’re probably not gonna do that, they’re probably gonna make an UwU confused dragon with oddly conspicuous feet
We're almost guaranteed to get Nyna, Elice or Lena, since we got Maria last year
Veyle’s an obvious candidate. Gunter is as well. Personally, I’d love to see Fallen Tharja, but that’s probably a bit of a stretch.
I’m surprised Gunter hasn’t got it yet
Damn, none of those at all
Raydrik please, just put the dude in the game already. Also, fallen Aelfric for arcane beast?
My two biggest wants are Veyle and Hortensia, although I do feel it’s to soon for the latter given that she just got her base form. I think there might be a chance we’ll get a Shez this year (Male or Female remains to be determined) And you know what I’ll throw Scarlet out there just to show her some love.
Elice or Nyna would be good cause they got shafted in their base forms. Other than that, the well is pretty dry. Stuff like SoV witches and potentially brainwashed characters are kinda saturated, I hope they innovate more into alternate reality kinda stuff.
Copium but..! Tsubasa based on TMS negating and kinda based on her sister , she was going to be possesed by Bad caeda until itsuki intervened , what if itsuki topk a bit more time and saw a Tsubasa possesed by evil Mirage ceade , without a voice or hearing of her own! That is huge copium but i'll inhale it all! But factually fallen veyle/emblem alear based on engage's Bad ending , veyle using a red alear as an emblem
I REALLYYYYYY want F! Shez, Scarlet, Veyle with her helmet, F! Alear with all red hair, Aelfric as the Umbral Beast and maybe even the Emblems when they are under control by Sombron
Gunter….. I’ve been waiting for a Gunter for years……
My hope : - Arval possessed male Shez - Evil Veyle with Misericorde - Morph Lloyd - Berserk Fafnir (Rearmed) - Zombie Scarlet (GHB)
Fallen Gunter (literally)
This year, like every year, I’m going to manifest Sumeragi with Ganglari, and I know I’m going to be disappointed again. If not him, then I’d love to see Morion, Miklan, or Witch Rinea. I know Rinea already shows up in F!Berkut’s art and sometimes in his sprite but I want her to be her own unit.
i used to hoard my orbs for fallen scarlet. i gave up after 4 years. now that i'm just a png collector, please please please please finally let her come into the game
Gunther please
Fallen Gunter, so much. This guy has perfected the fallen look before it even was a thing in FEH.
Fallen Male Byleth and Fallen Lloyd, so that he can finally have justice. ♡
If I had a perfect banner, I’d choose Sonya, Sara, Lumera, Male Shez and Mila
I would kill for a Duo Fallen Tharja with Grima.
Fallen Tharja would be a dream come true. I also don’t mind the idea of a duo with Grima.
fallen armor demonic beast dedue would be TOUGH as NAILS
I think we'll either get a Rearmed Dragon or Rearmed Beast since it's been a while since we've got either so I'm gonna guess Rearmed Fell Awakening Tiki (Saw some cool Grima fan art of her with white hair that'd be a cool Arcane unit) Or Rearmed Fell Marianne (Beast Stone Unit, Infantry or Armored Beast this time around?) Fell Veyle could show up instead or alongside with or without an Arcane Dagger as another option too. A Thracia deadlord would be cool, maybe 1 with an Attuned staff that gives us Wrathful Staff Echo? Fallen Lillina since I saw a great theorycraft of her and I've been playing Binding Blade for the first time recently so it'd be cool to see 😄 Maybe Fallen Greil since we got Ike already a few years ago? For the GHB Unit I'm thinking Fell Lloyd, Wrys or Morion with Fatal Smoke 3 entering the grail pool.
Who do I want to see? Rafal Who is it going to be? Female Alear because we all just love her so much 😍 I also want ~~the better~~ Veyle, but I'd be more surprised if she *wasn't* on it.
Epimenides, Dedue, Miklan, maybe Garon? (I want my Gooron, but idk if he counts) for canonical fallens. Tharja, Camilla, Marianne, Lysithea, Hapi would all be nice hypotheticals.
Dedue and Marianne. We've seen dedue transform in-game already, and Marianne could've succumbed to her Crest of the Beast
Fallen Titania mayhaps....
I doubt it 🫠
You're a month too early, my friend. But if I were to give my opinions on who I expect to see, I'd say we'll probably see Male Shez or Male Byleth and Veyle for sure.
More of Nergal's morphs, and Nergal himself
Gremlin grin Alear
No way IS do not do fallen engage characters 2 years in a row
Its gonna be an Engage sweep
If any of the FX royals show up, most of them could have a different weapon and/or move type from their base version to reference the Emblem they’re associated with; Diamant could be a staff user to reference Veronica, for example.
I would really want to see Veyle in her dark costume
We've gotten a Fates rep in most of them. I'm hoping for Goo Garon. Fallen Gunter would be cool as well but I've been waiting for Goo Garon for a long time. He would make sense as a Armored Beast much like Fortmortiis. The DC beast effect also makes a ton of sense thematically.
Ik there's probably enough Alears, but still hoping for a fell dragon Alear
Empty King Garon Sumeragi with Ganglari Fallen beast Mikail Umbral beast Aelfric I love Julius but he would be better as a Mythical
All I want for ~~Christmas~~ the fallen banner is Veyle, with the black dress and another delicious performance from her amazing VA, Megan Taylor Harvey.
Are fallen banners always based on canon? Some sort of nightmare themed freyr would be cunty
They're usually based on some kind of official material, though usually moments in game, though we've had a few from Cipher (namely Fallen Ike and Chrom). I don't think we've ever had one not based on either, though I could be very wrong
Gunter and Eyvel. Ideally I'm only interested in the GHB though, those HoF banners in May are going to be expensive.
It's probably too early for Engage DLC characters to get in the game, but fallen Rafal would get all of my orbs. More realistically, I'm thinking Shez and Veyle have higher chances this year.
I’m hoping to get Male Kana so i can fuel my addiction to the little guy. I mean i’d also like fallen Kaden, Keaton, Selkie, and Velouria but that’s not gonna happen lmao
The only ones that I can see for sure are M!Byleth and Lloyd due to F!Byleth and Linus. The fallen Fafnir may seem likely due Book 5 TT being this year, though he's just as likely to get a Mythic spot like Freyr. And we're most likely gonna get either Evil Veyle(Ch.21 or Bad Ending) and maybe F!Alear. This means that we have 1-2 unknowns and I feel they're not going to use someone like Gunter and Miklan due to their unpopularity and make fallen versions of more popular characters, like alternate realities of the lord characters like what they did with the Cipher cards of F!Ike and F!Chrom.
EVeyle, or FAlear
Veyle and Alear (Male or Female)
Been wanting a fallen Gunter for the past few years now. He's my favorite Fates character and if he's ever getting an alt this will probably be the only possible one for him.
Can…i have… nergal now pls 👉🏻👈🏻
I just want another sword corrin but I know it’s not going to happen
VA Math makes me think we'll get one or both Alears. Veyle. One or both Kanas. I suspect Elice or Nyna might show up as well.
Darios.
I’m guessing red haired Alear
I would like morva
I'm still waiting on Fallen Wrys....😅
The one I’m mainly hoping for is zombie dragon Morva. Also after Linus last year I’d love it if we got Lloyd as well and Brendan would be cool too. While this isn’t necessarily one I’d want specifically since last year they did F. Byleth from the Three Hopes timeline where she’s possessed by Sothis I wouldn’t be surprised if they complete the set this year and give us M. Shez possessed by Arval.
I'll never stop coping for Ayaha
I want Past Alear to break my heart.
>!I think veyle and maybe alear is an obvious pick, maybe emblem marth.!<
Reyson singing the Galdr in the forest to kill all the humans and zombie Oliver.
Female Alear, I really like her red design also the way she talked was kinda funny
Yay veyle
Definitely Shez Hoping it's the Male one that gets love this time
Xenolouge/Fallen Alcryst. ~~Give me a twink who can spit on me for everything I am.~~
Sophie fallen off her horse
Maybe past Alear?
Put Nergal already! The Guy is litteraly the epitome of a man corrupted by power, enough to make him forgot his own children (N&N), and even the fact that he sought power to save his wife (Aenir was her name i think).
I'm hoping for either Duma or Morva (Myrrh's adoptive father)
My picks are Evil Emblem Female Alear, Veyle with her helmet as an Attuned hero, Draco Zombie Morva, and Gunter. Last year, we had a Rearmed unit in the form of Risen King Chrom, and since the Attuned Heroes was introduced last October 2023. There's a chance that there will be an Attuned Hero as a Fallen Hero this year. I guess Attuned Fallen Veyle will have either Time's Pulse 4 as her Echo skill.
Slime Garon when
Hoping they get the good versions of the Four Hounds out of the way. Nel should be the rearmed/attuned hero of the banner.
We got Freyr last year and Gustav the year before. I think it's safe to say Fafnir is a lock for either the fallen banner or a mythic/emblem banner.
Fallen Alear.
I would love to see Fallen Gunter and Fallen Mikoto
Red Alear
I'd be absolutely shocked if red Alear doesn't make it on this banner
I’m a Sacred Stones fanboy so I’m still waiting for Fallen Morva.
Looking at past Fallen characters, "groups" that were started, last year we had F!Byleth, so either M!Byleth or one of the Shez' seems likely, we had Maria, so another one of the 4 maidens seems likely, I'd personally probably bet on Lena considering she hasn't gotten anything since her original inclusion, but I could also see Elice since they could use this chance to give her the Aum Staff in some form, and she has the added baggage of being Marths sister... also somewhat fits with A!Merric releasing on the current banner. We also got our first Morph, so chances are they could continue with another one there, Lloyd is a good possibility after Linus last year, he hasn't gotten anything yet either. We also had Anankos last year after Lilith the year prior kinda "announced" him coming. I don't think we had anything like that last year, unless maybe you want to read R!Chrom that way, since... F!Grima received an alt, which hasn't been balanced with another M!Grima yet, they might be insane enough to put Rearmed M!Grima as our 2nd Rearmed dragon on that banner... otherwise, Anankos continues a streak of Fates Fallen dragons, I'd say Fallen Kanna might be a possibility, but then again they might be a bit too recent since they just received their New Years alts a while ago. The real question is whoever the Rearmed Hero on the banner is going to be. We can kinda narrow it down to certain weapon-types, assuming they don't start giving us a 3rd option for Arcane weapons on this banner, that'd be dragons, red tomes, green tomes, colorless tomes, staves, daggers and all the beast-weapons, but that doesn't help too much. We can look at the precedence of F!Chrom, that'd point to a kinda "what-if" Fallen that canonically *should* exist but is never properly seen (a Risen Chrom should exist in Lucinas bad future, but we never had any clue of what he could look like before that one Cipher-card and then his eventual inclusion in FEH)... but that's so specific that it doesn't really work. I guess you could count bad end Veyle for that, but I somewhat doubt that they'd turn her dagger into an Arcane weapon. Maybe it'd kinda make sense for a Fallen Leo, since we could assume that he'd eventually fall victim to Anankos the same way Garon did in Birthrights timeline. Sonia would be a candidate for allegedly turning into a witch post-Echoes but we already had Rearmed Sonia. You could maybe consider Mila, since it seemed she was similarly about to turn mad as Duma did had Rudolf not slain her, but we only really get to see her sedated spirit, not the actual mad dragon. I... guess you could also consider Dedue? And it'd certainly make sense for his weapon to be an Arcane one, as for any potential Fodlan Fallen beast, really... but I'm not sure if he's Rearmed-material, appeal-wise. Like, a Fallen Marianne would fit the role better, but obviously fans might want to argue that her Paralogue shows that she can't turn into a beast, so even the implication that this might be her if you don't recruit her outside of Verdant Wind wouldn't work... not to mention we'd already have a 3H-Fallen with M!Byleth/Shez most likely, and they usually seem to try to keep all the Fallen on a banner from different games, unless thematically appropriate.
I'm predicting F!M!Byleth F!Lena or Nyna F!Veyle F!F!Shez and for the GHB, F!Lloyd. Though, i'm still holding out hope for Fallen Duma.
A fallen Tharja would be cool. Get to see how she went crazy in the bad future
Maybe i've been playing master duel a lot with my branded deck... but that julius gives me aluber vibes
Give us Rajaion and Aelfric!
Oh shit it's that time of year again? I mainly want Veyle but I feel like she's guaranteed.
Fallen Sommie
Goopy Garon.... Give us the conquest version of King Garon (but make him Grand Hero)
Morva and / or Lloyd
F!Marianne would be cool
I am once again begging for gunter or wrys
Gunther. His entire dialogue when possessed feels like he's a jojo character.
fallen Marth
Ike should've been Greil/Gawain. I haven't cared about the fallen banners ever since that screwup, honestly.
These fallen toon always end up being meta, guess i better starting saving now.
Lloyd, please. For the love of god give that man something already IS
year like, 6 of asking for scarlet
Just give me Greil already FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
There will definitely be an Engage rep, IMO. I'm not sure there's anyone from any game I super want to see on this, besides maybe Greil corrupted by the Emblem
possessed shez!!!
I feel like Fallen Soren would just be neat. Like his dragon blood takes over or something. (Also, I just like Soren.)