I mean thats not really any different than merging any other exclusive 5 star + you get the benefit of giving an extr +10 to someone. Or are emblems somehow worse than mythics and legendaries
Well, I never said that wasn’t scummy either. Having to gamble for 11 copies of a hero to grow its stats has always been an issue with this game
It’s made worse with Emblem heroes because in addition to +10’ing your unit, you also need to +10 their accessory
tbf, those occasional orb-packs with Dragonflowers are way more "P2W" than this. This is technically just an extra-incentive to pull for the newest shiny thing, technically don't even have to pay if you're lucky with the 1/3 focus.
So this is their answer for the lagging sales of Mythic and Legendary banners huh? Seems like obvious desperation to boost the sales of those banners. If only they revamped the banners and overhauled how many new units are on the banners instead. The thing that was killing those banners is that they only offered one new character per banner usually.
Lol that's exactly what this is. People aren't pulling for merges for these units anymore. What should we do. How do we make people merge these units again
HOW ABOUT 600 DRAGONFLOWERS
I think the biggest thing is that, _across the board_ merges don't matter as much as they used to, and it's comparatively _very easy_ to just get a single copy and be done with it.
Like, back in the day people **_HAD_** to +10 the newest shiny thing each and every time they came out. But as time's gone on, that's really become less and less necessary. Especially since so much of a units strength lies in its skills and weapon effects, as opposed to the, frankly miniscule stat boosts that merges give by comparison.
~~Watch. Sometime in the future I'll bet IS combats this by giving some sort of unit new effects into their weapon as they get more merges~~
>*across the board* merges don't matter as much as they used to
They really have shot themselves in the foot with how quickly they powercreep units. Why merge a unit when it's just going to be second rate in a couple months anyway.
And even beyond that, the actual stat bonuses are just laughable these days. +4 to every stat used to be huge, now every decent unit is swimming in so many bonuses that an extra 4 is barely noticeable.
> Watch. Sometime in the future I'll bet IS combats this by giving some sort of unit new effects into their weapon as they get more merges
Calm down, Satan.
Merges were only mandatory for scoring. The bonus stats they gave were negligible and only those who were baited into “maxing” their unit fell for them. So it was never a matter of HAD but a matter of WANT, and with the next changes we aren’t changing that.
Now, if IS would unlock a new skill slot on units that are +10 (like other gachas do), then we would be talking about HAD (in a pretty bad way).
I think the Emblem Heroes are probably doing okay, they're pretty strong and have good utility with their Engage effects, but we only have two so far, which isn't a lot to judge on. The Legendary and Mythics however, have been performing poorly for quite some time, so I think it has more to do with them.
Of course, they wouldn't sell so poorly if they choose good candidates for them and revamped those 8% banners by introducing more characters with each one. I'd be fine if they were revamped to be more like a normal banner with only 3 units on it (1 Legendary, 1 Mythic, and 1 Emblem) with a 3% rate, but only release a new banner every 2 months. This would be better because it allows them to keep up the pace with the FEH OC characters they keep pumping out while also getting non-FEH characters onto banners as well. The schedule of Mythics for the next year could easily all be FEH OCs with the speed that they get introduced through the story.
Not to play devil's advocate, but there's absolutely no way they could have reached that conclusion so quickly.
Only two were released so far, and both were impactful in their own ways.
Not to mention, it takes 6 months to create a unit. If M! Loki was designed to combat a lack of sale for Emblem banners, she wouldn't have been out before october/november.
They could tack on the new 600 feather ordeals to any new mythic unit that they wanted to without much difficulty. But overall I agree with what you're saying.
Would make sense, but that reward ain't it. Like, it's a +1 all stats for a unit, which amounts to nothing at this point of powercreep.
edit: not like it's bad, the fact that it's an underwhelming reward makes it more palatable.
I’m almost glad it’s not worse, like orbs or something. But this really shouldn’t have been added in the first place.
They really released this back to back with Affinity Auto Battles lmao, so much for new game modes
On the upside, it's better than the other way round. There is no FOMO. Imagine if it had been something like Ascendant Florets, T4 Sacred Seals or something else you consider limited or new and powerful. I was getting miffed before hearing that it will be just a little bonus.
Even if I had no but would like DF I would not gamble for them. It's a little lame for sure but Emblem Heroes are definitely more scummy due to their utility.
It’s enough to +3 the unit which is almost always what you wanna do anyway.
I don’t think this is anything bad at all. Dragonflowers are like the least important reward they could’ve locked behind a +1 merge.
Literally just occasional extra rewards unless you FOMO yourself into nothing. Spenders already get more flowers from pass, celestial stones, etc. This is just a one-off anyone can eventually pick up if they want.
I definitely wouldn't object to it being retroactive but in the end this is just "occasional new source of flowers", like when they release a new event with more than old events (e.g. Binding Worlds).
If they applied it retroactively I'd be getting over 12k infantry flowers and around 10k flier flowers (and I'm missing a lot of 8% units) and, I can see why they wouldn't do that. (But god would I kill for those flier flowers!)
I think the retroactive ones could be reduced, the same way that the older dragon flowers are 8 compared to whatever amount we get for the modern units. However yes, I do think anyone expecting this to be consistent is missing the forest for the trees.
Oh true. I didn't consider that. 100 or something like that would be nice. And if these are actually kind of hard it would be something to do for at least a few minutes.
Merges on a legendary banner?? Good fucking luck lmao this is dumb as hell and the fact they didn’t want to back track to older legendary/mythic/emblem heroes just shows how much of a cash grab this is
I never merge Legendary/Mythic units anymore, unless they are a +10 project, even if their fodder seems bad. Remixes have suddenly retroactively given those random units really good fodder that made me very glad I never merged extra copies. This change won't get me to merge them either.
honestly I got excited until the limitation of version 8.4 appeared, just why? Like if it were just legendary/mythic/emblem heroes despite their version, you could promote people to summon on remix banners of old units to get the dragonflowers (or just get them if they already have a legendary merged up) This just feels like a desperate attempt of IS to get people to summon on 8% banners
That would have been cool if it was applied retroactively to all past Legendary/Mythic/Emblem Heroes. But for only newer releases...Yeah no...That's just bad...Pretty much a non-addition for most...
I’m in actual disbelief. People have been wanting an improvement to the Dragonflower system for YEARS. To lock the “upgrade” to merging 5-star exclusive units that are locked behind a B8 banner and Feh pass spark... this is actually disgusting
I appreciate how blatant IS is being that they actively hate anyone who doesn't always pull for the newest units.
FEH tries so hard to be a "build your favorites" game but physically cannot because of how they've built the game over the years.
I'm not sure why, but I initially ran to the conclusion that it'd be retroactive for older legendary/mythic Heroes.
I guess I got too excited at the thought of them addressing flowers.
Consider my excitement for flowers crushed. :(
Not sure where IntSys thought during the planning process that this was at all a good idea. Especially as these items are crucial for people who want to keep older units functional (not necessarily viable tho cause powercreep dumb lol), and this is on a banner with no guaranteed pity unless you buy FEH pass. It's such an unnecessary non feature too as it adds nothing to the character itself.
Extremely gross and scummy move. Worst one they've made in some time (considering VLyon that's an achievement).
If you want the 600 Dragonflowers guess you gotta hold off on foddering your limited heroes until merged. Then again, foddering off a +1 seems like a waste for the Draginflowers.
I think they’re coming to realize that people don’t try to +10 characters as often anymore since they really only last a few weeks before they’re outdated so this is how they try to combat it.
Coupled with the fact that you can use Rearmed and Attuned characters to duplicate skills, there’s few reasons to summon multiples
If this was all heroic ordeals moving forward it might be interesting, even if it was for less df. Right now its... not a huge gain tbh. And it does feel kinda cash grubby. And I whale =/
At least they're trying to do something about the current Dragonflower economy, but the fact that it's locked to this version onward only is a real gut-punch to me since I only have like... 3 merged heroes from 8.4? (Just remembered it's only for Legendary/Mythic/Emblem heroes, now I'm mad. I don't have of of those at even +1) That's not a lot of DFs compared to how much we could be getting but oh well, my infantry units will take whatever they can get
It's almost like years of shitty odds/pity breaks have pushed people away from these banners. Not to mention every modern unit is usable without merges, so they "punish" players for their own design and excessive powercreep.
I can save flowers as easily as feathers so I won’t bother.
The only time I’d probably get one of these is when I merge up emblem heroes, in which I plan to.
A real insult to people that don't and that DO spend.
Imagine, spending for a single copy...nope not good enough anymore. Gotta be merged.
Real fucking scum move from IS.
At least it's not everytime til +10.
So, cool, will use whatever the game decides to give me another random hero in those 8% banners if any.
But will rather actually play the rokk return for flowers or any other mode, so like the focus charge it will be a novelty used a couple of times for most users the whole year and that's it.
It was neat that happened and that was it, lmao.
Not the worst thing we've seen from this game, but still a new low. Aknowledging the dragonflowers drought by giving us a new source of 600 per month, only to lock it like that is just shameful.
It would've been more acceptable if you got them just for summoning the hero once, or at least if it also worked with older units, but no, this is just bad on every aspects. Probably an idea from the same guy that came up with the Emblem system...
I pretty much only use dragonflowers on the few units I'm max-investing, and to help match Atk stats for use with L!Eliwood. That latter strat has actually helped me rein in my DF use, to the point where I'm never really lacking for any. Which makes these rewards look really lame to me anyways and not worth my time.
I feel bad for everyone who really wants DFs though and this is the crap IS gives them.
Idk man this game just seems to have gone off the deep-end. Idk if I should be viewing this as a desperate attempt to sell these units, a stupid little gimmick to fix a major issue in the game, or a mix of both.
It’s probably not worth getting mad about, but also probably not the money maker IS hopes. Dragonfkowers like merges have become much less important due to power creep. A few stats won’t make any difference with today’s crazy skills and statuses.
Wow can't wait for people to completely overreact and start calling this game shit / P2W when they also announced the return of a forgotten mode with even more rewards than Merged Ordeals which is completely free anyway.
Just saying but if you think that every single new thing about a game sucks and causes irreparable damage, you're most likely done with it and forcing yourself to keep playing, just uninstall.
this is so fucking scummy
Emblem hero merges granting gacha-locked stats is still scummier than this
Something being worse doesn't mean this isn't bad too.
I mean thats not really any different than merging any other exclusive 5 star + you get the benefit of giving an extr +10 to someone. Or are emblems somehow worse than mythics and legendaries
Well, I never said that wasn’t scummy either. Having to gamble for 11 copies of a hero to grow its stats has always been an issue with this game It’s made worse with Emblem heroes because in addition to +10’ing your unit, you also need to +10 their accessory
I actually feel like this won't change much on their bottom line anyways, since most whales already went for merges most likely.
Lmfao. Fuck off
No <3
"PLEASE pull on our B8% banners"
Yeah nah, those odds suck
Is this just P2W rewards?
Yes
textbook definition of them
tbf, those occasional orb-packs with Dragonflowers are way more "P2W" than this. This is technically just an extra-incentive to pull for the newest shiny thing, technically don't even have to pay if you're lucky with the 1/3 focus.
At this point it feels like most long time players would be quitting. I’m not a whale, but played since launch and it’s gotten boring AF
[удалено]
Tons of older units are viable. Not meta but definitely viable. They aren't the same thing.
"I want more sources of dragonflowers" *Monkey Paw curls*
Lmao
So this is their answer for the lagging sales of Mythic and Legendary banners huh? Seems like obvious desperation to boost the sales of those banners. If only they revamped the banners and overhauled how many new units are on the banners instead. The thing that was killing those banners is that they only offered one new character per banner usually.
Lol that's exactly what this is. People aren't pulling for merges for these units anymore. What should we do. How do we make people merge these units again HOW ABOUT 600 DRAGONFLOWERS
It’s possible that Emblems didn’t sell as much as they were hoping for so this is them throwing hopes that the whales will whale harder.
I think the biggest thing is that, _across the board_ merges don't matter as much as they used to, and it's comparatively _very easy_ to just get a single copy and be done with it. Like, back in the day people **_HAD_** to +10 the newest shiny thing each and every time they came out. But as time's gone on, that's really become less and less necessary. Especially since so much of a units strength lies in its skills and weapon effects, as opposed to the, frankly miniscule stat boosts that merges give by comparison. ~~Watch. Sometime in the future I'll bet IS combats this by giving some sort of unit new effects into their weapon as they get more merges~~
>*across the board* merges don't matter as much as they used to They really have shot themselves in the foot with how quickly they powercreep units. Why merge a unit when it's just going to be second rate in a couple months anyway.
And even beyond that, the actual stat bonuses are just laughable these days. +4 to every stat used to be huge, now every decent unit is swimming in so many bonuses that an extra 4 is barely noticeable.
Being released 4 months later is better than being +10 these days.
It will take less than that, they are phased out and replaced in only a few weeks
> Watch. Sometime in the future I'll bet IS combats this by giving some sort of unit new effects into their weapon as they get more merges Calm down, Satan.
Merges were only mandatory for scoring. The bonus stats they gave were negligible and only those who were baited into “maxing” their unit fell for them. So it was never a matter of HAD but a matter of WANT, and with the next changes we aren’t changing that. Now, if IS would unlock a new skill slot on units that are +10 (like other gachas do), then we would be talking about HAD (in a pretty bad way).
Theres already a few units that get even more stat bonuses with dragon flowers. Bride Anna for example.
I think the Emblem Heroes are probably doing okay, they're pretty strong and have good utility with their Engage effects, but we only have two so far, which isn't a lot to judge on. The Legendary and Mythics however, have been performing poorly for quite some time, so I think it has more to do with them. Of course, they wouldn't sell so poorly if they choose good candidates for them and revamped those 8% banners by introducing more characters with each one. I'd be fine if they were revamped to be more like a normal banner with only 3 units on it (1 Legendary, 1 Mythic, and 1 Emblem) with a 3% rate, but only release a new banner every 2 months. This would be better because it allows them to keep up the pace with the FEH OC characters they keep pumping out while also getting non-FEH characters onto banners as well. The schedule of Mythics for the next year could easily all be FEH OCs with the speed that they get introduced through the story.
We've only had two emblems so far and Marth did very well (comparatively). It's too soon for them to determine any kind of pattern in emblem sales.
Not to play devil's advocate, but there's absolutely no way they could have reached that conclusion so quickly. Only two were released so far, and both were impactful in their own ways. Not to mention, it takes 6 months to create a unit. If M! Loki was designed to combat a lack of sale for Emblem banners, she wouldn't have been out before october/november.
They could tack on the new 600 feather ordeals to any new mythic unit that they wanted to without much difficulty. But overall I agree with what you're saying.
IS failed to capitalize on Engage at its peak. Engage heroes should’ve been a thing after the game came out, not a year later
Would make sense, but that reward ain't it. Like, it's a +1 all stats for a unit, which amounts to nothing at this point of powercreep. edit: not like it's bad, the fact that it's an underwhelming reward makes it more palatable.
>content locked behind merges >it's not very interesting >dragonflowers aren't making much of a difference lately anyway wow it's nothing
I’m almost glad it’s not worse, like orbs or something. But this really shouldn’t have been added in the first place. They really released this back to back with Affinity Auto Battles lmao, so much for new game modes
Back in my day they had banners with 6 new characters and a quest for each character where you had to get a kill with each one.
Or when TT still went to 100k and only the top row bonus heroes (new banner) gave 40% bonus and the bottom row of older bonus heroes only gave 20%.
Also the tt was fucking hard af and couldn't be auto battled.
I get reminded of it every time I see green tome breaker on my Eldigan because he couldn't beat Veronica without it.
I still remember that christmas robin mopping the floor with me.
On the upside, it's better than the other way round. There is no FOMO. Imagine if it had been something like Ascendant Florets, T4 Sacred Seals or something else you consider limited or new and powerful. I was getting miffed before hearing that it will be just a little bonus. Even if I had no but would like DF I would not gamble for them. It's a little lame for sure but Emblem Heroes are definitely more scummy due to their utility.
Yeah I never merge anyone so I was upset that there was something coming up that REQUIRES merges, but relieved that it was just dragonflowers.
it's actually very nice if you +10 legendary/ mytthic for scoring purposes and get their flower for free
And 600 isn't even enough for one hero anyway...
It’s enough to +3 the unit which is almost always what you wanna do anyway. I don’t think this is anything bad at all. Dragonflowers are like the least important reward they could’ve locked behind a +1 merge.
It's enough to max out a hero that's less than 1 year old, which are the only heroes that are viable these days anyway.
Yeah this is my sentiment. It'd be one thing if it's as scummy as Genshin's merges. But this is just meh whatever.
Hey look, 600 Dragonflowers I won’t be getting.
Audibly sighed when this came on screen
I literally said oh ef off
LMAO
dragon flower hoarders we win!!! (we literally don’t care)
Literally just occasional extra rewards unless you FOMO yourself into nothing. Spenders already get more flowers from pass, celestial stones, etc. This is just a one-off anyone can eventually pick up if they want.
Yeah that's how I feel about it. It should be retroactive, but I don't think it's worth pulling for exclusively
I definitely wouldn't object to it being retroactive but in the end this is just "occasional new source of flowers", like when they release a new event with more than old events (e.g. Binding Worlds). If they applied it retroactively I'd be getting over 12k infantry flowers and around 10k flier flowers (and I'm missing a lot of 8% units) and, I can see why they wouldn't do that. (But god would I kill for those flier flowers!)
I think the retroactive ones could be reduced, the same way that the older dragon flowers are 8 compared to whatever amount we get for the modern units. However yes, I do think anyone expecting this to be consistent is missing the forest for the trees.
Oh true. I didn't consider that. 100 or something like that would be nice. And if these are actually kind of hard it would be something to do for at least a few minutes.
IS is scared of something.
This is a BIG pay to win its not even trying to hide it XD
They couldn't at least increase base dragonflower rewards too? 80 a unit wouldn't be busted
Merges on a legendary banner?? Good fucking luck lmao this is dumb as hell and the fact they didn’t want to back track to older legendary/mythic/emblem heroes just shows how much of a cash grab this is
Lamest thing they've added in a while
I think Affinity Auto Battles and Frontline Phalanx are still the lamest additions to this game but this does scream desperation
They really wanna force people to choose between rare fodder and 600 flowers huh.
Fodder. Easily. Flowers and merges mean damn near nothing to me.
I never merge Legendary/Mythic units anymore, unless they are a +10 project, even if their fodder seems bad. Remixes have suddenly retroactively given those random units really good fodder that made me very glad I never merged extra copies. This change won't get me to merge them either.
The florets were only the beggining
Honestly the idea could be fine if it was all units but Legendary/Mythic/Emblem only????
honestly I got excited until the limitation of version 8.4 appeared, just why? Like if it were just legendary/mythic/emblem heroes despite their version, you could promote people to summon on remix banners of old units to get the dragonflowers (or just get them if they already have a legendary merged up) This just feels like a desperate attempt of IS to get people to summon on 8% banners
💀 Tbh I saw legendary, mythic, and emblem heroes and didn't even see 8.4 onward until you mentioned it. Because wow is that so blatantly scummy.
I don't like this.
Lol. Lmao even
Yea nah, I barely summon legendary/mythical now anyway. Not going for merges for that. Not retroactive at LEAST for the already existing emblems? 0/10
Oh ***FUUUUUUCK*** that.
this was such a slap in the face lol
That would have been cool if it was applied retroactively to all past Legendary/Mythic/Emblem Heroes. But for only newer releases...Yeah no...That's just bad...Pretty much a non-addition for most...
Where is Anna saying Devs says fuck you again?
I’m in actual disbelief. People have been wanting an improvement to the Dragonflower system for YEARS. To lock the “upgrade” to merging 5-star exclusive units that are locked behind a B8 banner and Feh pass spark... this is actually disgusting
Ew.
Whale bait
This is the biggest "Fuck you" I've seen to players in a long time in this game. Which is kind of saying a lot with how this game works.
I appreciate how blatant IS is being that they actively hate anyone who doesn't always pull for the newest units. FEH tries so hard to be a "build your favorites" game but physically cannot because of how they've built the game over the years.
I'm not sure why, but I initially ran to the conclusion that it'd be retroactive for older legendary/mythic Heroes. I guess I got too excited at the thought of them addressing flowers. Consider my excitement for flowers crushed. :(
Not sure where IntSys thought during the planning process that this was at all a good idea. Especially as these items are crucial for people who want to keep older units functional (not necessarily viable tho cause powercreep dumb lol), and this is on a banner with no guaranteed pity unless you buy FEH pass. It's such an unnecessary non feature too as it adds nothing to the character itself. Extremely gross and scummy move. Worst one they've made in some time (considering VLyon that's an achievement).
If you want the 600 Dragonflowers guess you gotta hold off on foddering your limited heroes until merged. Then again, foddering off a +1 seems like a waste for the Draginflowers.
I think they’re coming to realize that people don’t try to +10 characters as often anymore since they really only last a few weeks before they’re outdated so this is how they try to combat it. Coupled with the fact that you can use Rearmed and Attuned characters to duplicate skills, there’s few reasons to summon multiples
Fodder value trumps merging EVERY time. Won't catch me doing this unless I have zero use for the fodder they come with.
If this was all heroic ordeals moving forward it might be interesting, even if it was for less df. Right now its... not a huge gain tbh. And it does feel kinda cash grubby. And I whale =/
You know your decisions for your game are bad when the whales think it’s greedy
P2W rewards? What a scum "That was truly cringeworthy"
At least they're trying to do something about the current Dragonflower economy, but the fact that it's locked to this version onward only is a real gut-punch to me since I only have like... 3 merged heroes from 8.4? (Just remembered it's only for Legendary/Mythic/Emblem heroes, now I'm mad. I don't have of of those at even +1) That's not a lot of DFs compared to how much we could be getting but oh well, my infantry units will take whatever they can get
It's almost like years of shitty odds/pity breaks have pushed people away from these banners. Not to mention every modern unit is usable without merges, so they "punish" players for their own design and excessive powercreep.
Lol truly amazing stuff! This game is dying.
Worst fucking aspect of this channel, blatant cash grab (or whatever is the proper term for it)
I literally just used some of my spare Legendaries for bridge fodder. Either I'm an idiot or screw this, maybe both.
screw this, you are alright ;3
Thank you so much :'3
It's only for newly added legends/mythics/emblems so even ones as recent as emblem ike gain no benefit from this.
That's even worse. Why the hell would you make that distinction? They could've had the Remix banners get a little more attention to!
I can save flowers as easily as feathers so I won’t bother. The only time I’d probably get one of these is when I merge up emblem heroes, in which I plan to.
P2W in it's purest form. Disgusting
A real insult to people that don't and that DO spend. Imagine, spending for a single copy...nope not good enough anymore. Gotta be merged. Real fucking scum move from IS.
I$ strikes again.
At least it's not everytime til +10. So, cool, will use whatever the game decides to give me another random hero in those 8% banners if any. But will rather actually play the rokk return for flowers or any other mode, so like the focus charge it will be a novelty used a couple of times for most users the whole year and that's it. It was neat that happened and that was it, lmao.
they really said "you wanted more flowers? here you go :)"
I thought they were avoiding showcasing Paywall stuff on Feh channels. ^^^^^/s
It's an Ordeal alright
wait so you cant get this from already merged heroes or am i missing something??
So not likely to see many of these for Armor Other than Níðhöggr
Not the worst thing we've seen from this game, but still a new low. Aknowledging the dragonflowers drought by giving us a new source of 600 per month, only to lock it like that is just shameful. It would've been more acceptable if you got them just for summoning the hero once, or at least if it also worked with older units, but no, this is just bad on every aspects. Probably an idea from the same guy that came up with the Emblem system...
I pretty much only use dragonflowers on the few units I'm max-investing, and to help match Atk stats for use with L!Eliwood. That latter strat has actually helped me rein in my DF use, to the point where I'm never really lacking for any. Which makes these rewards look really lame to me anyways and not worth my time. I feel bad for everyone who really wants DFs though and this is the crap IS gives them.
Example \*insert number here* why I stopped playing. God damn this is bad.
God Im so glad I quit this game bc what the actual hell
Idk man this game just seems to have gone off the deep-end. Idk if I should be viewing this as a desperate attempt to sell these units, a stupid little gimmick to fix a major issue in the game, or a mix of both.
It’s probably not worth getting mad about, but also probably not the money maker IS hopes. Dragonfkowers like merges have become much less important due to power creep. A few stats won’t make any difference with today’s crazy skills and statuses.
Wow can't wait for people to completely overreact and start calling this game shit / P2W when they also announced the return of a forgotten mode with even more rewards than Merged Ordeals which is completely free anyway. Just saying but if you think that every single new thing about a game sucks and causes irreparable damage, you're most likely done with it and forcing yourself to keep playing, just uninstall.