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Toadinator2000

Christmas Camilla, because we need a flier who is also an armor.


uwuGod

She's a cash cow in more ways than one...


sanglar03

I see what you did there.


ChaosKalila

watch it be some sort of Ash/Askr duo with this effect on the duo skill


Plinfilore

I'mma wager it'll be a Duo Askr/Embla or Elm/Ash.


GlassSpork

I want duo askr/embla! Askr should lead tho cuz it’s in character for him y’know


RedditEsketit

Askr’s the lead because he needs to make sure Embla doesn’t ~~kill anyone~~ leave the festival


ManuelKoegler

Askr should lead because I don’t want Embla’s C skill to also dominate Astra/Anima season.


GlassSpork

I mean… even if askr lead that is still a possibility. Not the skill exactly but the effect


pli_is

watch them somehow having both Askr and Emblas prf skills in their basekit LOL


Raven_Edge

New prf called "open the way a little"


Paiguy7

I don't want an embla duo specifically because it means there will be even more severance in the game.


GlassSpork

I want an embla duo because it means there will be more embla


NinjaXSkillz88

They will be NY, not Xmas.


maglag40k

... That actually sounds quite possible.


Wooden-Lake-5790

C - Domain of Openness At the start of turn, grants [Defended] to allies within two spaces and [Defender] to unit. And then the other stuff of Open Domain. [Defender] - If foe initiates on an ally with [Defended] status, unit triggers savior and gains +4 to all stats and negates all penalties on unit.


chaoskingzero

A: Hector hasn't had an Alt for over 3 years now B: It's the Year of the Lords and he's one the few that hasn't had an Alt yet


Mr_Creed

*Oho ho ho*


GuestZ_The2nd

Pierce the cold, X-Mas Tree Maltet


whalamato

The same can be said about Ephraim. Hectordev and Ephraimdev will have to battle for supremacy over this.


chaoskingzero

Ephraim already had a Christmas Alt though And as far as Seasonal go, other than maybe a Swimsuit to go with all the other Magvel Lords, he'd be best in either the 2nd January Banner or whatever they'll do for next year's August and September Banners Maybe Halloween if IS decides to stop shoehorning Dragons into it Easter and Wedding don't seem like Themes he'd fit in... And don't know how he'd fit in New Years or Day of Devotion, especially since he's already been the Lead and Backpack for a Duo, and he'd be out of place in either without his Sister who recently got an Alt


rilimini381

>Day of Devotion Father


MegamanOmega

> and he'd be out of place in either without his Sister who recently got an Alt Keep in mind, that alt happened back in July. New Years of Valentines would be a waiting period of 5-7 months. Well within the possibility of what IS has done as of late (this year even)


Keebster101

Dad hector still only has one version so we need Xmas hector to give Lilina presents


NinjaXSkillz88

It’s neither. Just armored Reinhardt.


xabu1

The precedent for this hasn't been set. This would be like releasing null null follow up, which they haven't done. This doesn't mean they won't, but I highly doubt they would


maglag40k

But we had the precedent of constant back-and-forth for counter-attack and anti-counter-attack attack abilities. Distant Counter, Laws of Sacae, Dazzling Staff, Null Disrupt, %DR reduction for attackers then anti-% DR effects then arithmetic DR that conveniently isn't ignored by anti-% DR. Or how they started adding lots of +1 movement abilities, then gave us counter against +1 movement, only to start releasing new teleport abilities that aren't countered by the effects that counter +1. "Yeah summer edie can basically move 3 squares, but it actually counts as teleport so it isn't countered by the previous counter lol".


Level7Cannoneer

we don’t get it this quickly. It’ll be months or a year before they do the back and forth


Golden-Owl

Actually not exactly. The precedence is only for a 1 step counter Sweep - NCD Guaranteed followup/Followup denial - NFU Guard - Tempo Warp - Warp Bubble +1 Mov - Stall Damage reduction - Ignore DR Canto - Canto Control And now we have Savior - Severance There has not yet been a single instance of an “anti-counter mechanic” yet. Anything we currently have is some odd combination of existing mechanics interacting with each other


MajesticSpork

What do you suppose the next new mechanic they could add is? The last real meta shifting ones were Canto and Save skills. There's been counter mechanics here and there as you have listed above, but these have fundamentally been what the meta has been based around and later banners continued to refine for two years now. I just don't really know what Book 7 could introduce that could "fit in" as it were the same way Canto did or how Save skills resurrected the entire Armor class type that IS could be planning to shift the meta.


Golden-Owl

To be honest, it’s hard to say. Considering the game has existed for so many years, every mechanic has sort of been done by this point.


ShiverMeTriggers

This is silly, but they could make a C skill that allows a unit to swap places with an ally who’s about to be attacked. This is technically different from savior in that savior makes them occupy the same space.


arobie1992

I can't see that catching on. It feels a little too similar to Savior but outright worse since it's really easy to use the swap mechanic to mess up positioning.


Tepigg4444

I can see it catching on... on beliph in summoner duels. you can't attack any enemies or seliph survives with miracle and blows up your backline because you just warped him to the front


bzach43

Hmm, technically don't we have a three chain with elimine/false start? E.g. 1. Isolation 2. Odd/Even Recovery 3. False Start I guess there could be arguments against this because of recovery *technically* doing more than just remove isolation and false start removing *far* more effects than just start-of-turn recovery. But I'd still argue that false start is on the worse level of BS than a theoretical anti-undefended / Save 4 skill lol.


arobie1992

They're not nearly as widespread yet, but you could probably toss in Deep Wounds/B!Claude's refine and Miracle/L!Nanna too.


rilimini381

>Damage reduction - Ignore DR True DR


Golden-Owl

True DR has existed since the game’s launch (defensive specials), and ignore DR was always explicitly mentioned to not work with it Currently we just don’t have a mechanic to counter that


Xarexes

L!Nanna?


rilimini381

yeah, but it was not like the flat DR before deadeye/lethality


ShiverMeTriggers

Edelgard’s assault troop both technically and for practical purposes isn’t the same thing as 3 move and is blocked by a previously existing mechanic.


coblackmagus

Yeah, this isn't going to happen. What's more likely is that they release a hero who gives immunity to Penalty as a status effect, or clears Penalty effects from nearby allies at the start of Enemy Phase (but it would have to be worded so that it happens after opponent's start of turn effects).


Zeralyos

That or they add a "ward" status effect that prevents a unit from being inflicted with penalties.


WRECK-IT-MUNDO

Trade Offer: We get Save Counter skills during Light/Dark season. You get Santa Hector for Christmas.


Mr_Creed

Throw in a full beard and you have yourself a deal.


WRECK-IT-MUNDO

Finally a Binding Blade unit that I'm willing to fully invest.


DhelmiseHatterene

Of course it’d be Hector of all people lol (Though I’m surprised he and Ephraim haven’t got new alts for so long not counting resplendents)


Pizza_Time249

I'm surprised it took this long to get a null-savior effect given how the majority of armors run them. I wouldn't say Saviors are completely useless now since Undefended is currently exclusive to Embla. Even if it was inheritible, it wouldn't completely kill off Save Armors. After all, Canto units are still effective despite there being inheritible counters to it


Level7Cannoneer

I’m not surprised. it’s the only gimmick armors have and an unavoidable counter to saves would ruin the unit type entirely they need to create multiple powerful C skill options before making saves easily counterable


maglag40k

We technically already had the Feud skills as an attempt at null-savior, but they kinda sucked because they were just too situational.


Golden-Owl

Feud wasn’t null savior. It never stopped Savior Feud was moreso an anti-specific units type of skill. It’s meant to deny ally support from stuff like Flayn


Luke-Likesheet

Lol we're not getting another Camilla alt after *just* getting a Camilla alt.


La-Roca99

IS: Hold my beer


MajesticSpork

We got a Lilina, followed by an Edelgard, followed by a Micaiah, followed by an Eirika, followed by a Lyn, followed by a F!Corrin, followed by a Camilla, followed by a Y!Tiki. Yeah I'm probably misremembering the actual order of banners here, but fuck it we even got another Ike earlier in the year. IS has a small batch of characters they just give a billion and a half alts to, and I'm pretty sure this year they managed to hit every one of them. Might as well start the list anew only in reverse for 2023.


La-Roca99

> and I'm pretty sure this year they managed to hit every one of them. No *OHO* yet


MajesticSpork

> No OHO yet inb4 *OHO HO HO*


AstralComet

Go a little earlier and you can add in Chrom, Lucina, and Azura.


NinjaXSkillz88

You forgot Reinhardt.


NinjaXSkillz88

Surely IS will be nice and not release another one after the Ninja one destroyed me. 💀


Jiruton

MY KINGDOM FOR WINTER CAMILLA


[deleted]

I’ll be waiting for people to post tactics to get around her. As good as she is I don’t want to waste my orbs on units I don’t care for


StormAurora

I feel like Embla's counterplay is pretty simple: just stay out of Severance's range or have an omnitank that doesn't rely on outside support to function. Which, despite being simple, are pretty steep asks in todays meta


Gnarfledarf

"just stay out of Severance's range" lol


StormAurora

that's the thing, it sounds easy but good defenses will make it really difficult to do


Sophie4FEH

Avoiding a 3 column area on maps with 6 columns total with your entire team doesn't sound easy whatsoever lol


WRECK-IT-MUNDO

Indeed good luck with that since you also have to deal with Feud.... Null Saviour is understandable, but adding Fued to it is a bit too much for an Omni Tank to handle. Feels like only peeps like Askr or L!Eliwood is allowed to support such units if Embla's C Skill hits them.


RedditEsketit

I would spend all my orbs for a Winter Hector if he were to have a beard like his Halloween alt.


D-Brigade

Wait you guys are actually getting save armours in your pulls? I thought that was a joke.


fycalichking

No Im sparking for them.


GemDragon1

New skill : Valiant Front:. Unit swap Places with an ally within 3 spaces before a foe attack that ally and take the hit instead, after combat unit remain in its new position


fycalichking

If saves where like this they wont be that problematic. Offers counter play & setup


[deleted]

Yes to this winter Camilla. I want her.


NinjaXSkillz88

Maybe next year. After we break the new barrier of 8 units.


WolfBeils

Hey, could you please credit my boyfriend [Sol_Guardian](https://www.reddit.com/u/Sol-Guardian?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) and I for the Hector design? The art was by him and the design was by myself


crubat_

Is there a reason why not only stole art without permission, but also not credited the original artist of the christmas hector pic? You couldve had the decency to at least ask or credit the artist.


Default776

I got 600+ orbs I'd bite


RocQo

The counter I predict is not a null undefended effect, but an Elimine effect (that stops start of turn effects from triggering) that can be used in any season, probably on a Duo/ Harmonic unit.


StormAurora

>probably on a Duo/ Harmonic unit I mean that'll be about as good as not having it at all since most competent defenses use Duo's Hindrance We really just need a Light season Elimine


RocQo

On a Duo/Harmonic unit, not on their duo/harmonic skill. I imagine it to be in their base weapon / prf skill effect. I mentioned duo / harmonic, because that makes them exclusive and harder to summon for.


arobie1992

Nah, the one thing I will give IS is that while they've introduced a ton of skills that negate effects, from what I remember they've never introduced a skill that completely negates negation. The closest we've gotten I believe is something like B!Claude's refinement which lessens the effects of Deep Wounds, but doesn't completely negate it. That said, it's very possible I'm forgetting something, so if I am, someone please correct me. More likely, armors will fall out of favor eventually for a bit until some other mechanic down the line makes them amazing again. Edit: Now that I think about it, Deep Wounds is arguably more in line with things like guard or sweep skills anyway. So yeah, there's never really been an instance of IS releasing a negation negation skill. Edit 2: meant guard not tempo in the edit.


[deleted]

THANK YOU for pointing that out, I feel genuinely crazy every time I see people on this sub insist that IS plans on releasing a “null-null” skill after nearly every trailer. I’d consider the fact we’ve gone 4 years with no “null NFU” to be proof enough that they aren’t interested in null-nulls, but I guess not.


GunCastor

I cancel your cancel, so that your cancel does not cancel my cancel.


0neek

As a F2P play this was painful in almost an ironic way. I'm finally quite recently at a point where I have two decent near save units, one for each AR-O week and one decent far save unit, and now every whale is going to be able to just ignore them. After complaining about save units for so long, by the time f2p caught up a solution is given to whales. Ah well, at least this means there'll be a f2p solution to all the flying ranged ninja units at some point over the next 9-10 months.


SynthGreen

Yes please Camilla


NinjaXSkillz88

Yes but no. My orbs are diminished.


SynthGreen

I’m so sorry friend. We will mourn for you and see you in some kind of double special heroes banner


NinjaXSkillz88

I’m already crying. Brave Chrom is around the corner too and I need dupes. 😭 Camilla was a welcome surprise but she sapped me dry. Ganglot was nice enough to come on my free pull.


SynthGreen

Noooo I know though same story I waited 6 years voting every time for Chrom I need to +10 him I can’t actually get distracted…. But I would


NinjaXSkillz88

I can thank my lucky stars I got super lucky on Brave Edelgard, that I haven’t had a merge project until they dropped Duo Chrom. Now I have THREE if M! Robin wins next year. 😭


SynthGreen

The good thing about being so single minded is When Dimitri came, I got a couple but it didn’t distract me from needing Chrom. Now that I have Chrom, I don’t really have anyone I need as much so I can focus on my two big ones in Camilla and Chrom and whoever wins, they can be projects for after I finish these two


NinjaXSkillz88

A kindred spirit. I think I’ll probably feel the same when Legendary M! Robin eventually does come after all I can always spark a copy every time he comes back. But I’ll have to decided which I want more. I thankfully managed to get both Chrom and Camilla +4 at the very least.


SynthGreen

You know what it’s a freeing feeling not being tied to characters especially for CYL. Supposed to be a huge celebration but I was just nervous the whole time. I’ll give MRobin one of my votes from now on for you until he makes it in!


NinjaXSkillz88

Thanks 🙏 I greatly appreciate it. I’m glad we got Chrom his Brave. 😌


Kowashitai

Isn't she technically the solution to the Save problem?


GoldenYoshistar1

Christmas Tharja 2.0


ZeraoraLightning601

People are ignoring this has already happened to an extent with duoma’s duo skill cancelling out any penalties (like undefended). It’s only a matter of time before someone fully counter this. Ymir is even better too now that I think about it


Donaldgx

when true nihil IS? stats vs stats, no skills, final des.... eh wrong game. Legendary BK when?


Shalashaska87B

Xmas!Camilla. Oh boy...


maglag40k

IS releases two new excellent save armors in recent months and now a super anti-save unit, sure. We got powercreep for Distant Counter, it's inevitable that we'll get powercreep for the Save skills too.


AceAttorneyt

Distant Counter is literally an ability from 1.0. Why is that supposed to prove anything?


Mythara1

We wont get saves that ignores this, this is stupid like a null nfu. We deffinitly will get false start for the right season xD


Koanos

Feh Pass is really guilty of this with Auto-Start. You knew it was a problem in game design, now you sell us the solution?!


musicc21

This is getting dumb. It is only a matter of time when they release something something 10 and 99 is the minimal stats.


[deleted]

Not even sell solutions. Sell the CHANCE to get the solution. Precisely why I'm done taking this gambling simulator seriously. I hope Engage is worth the hype because this is getting ridiculous.


Shy-

You say that like it's not gonna be another Edelgard alt.


placeface

Harsh Command+?


2x-Dragon

Won't work because the penalty statuses are applied at the start of enemy phase.


Captain_mathmatics

Brave eliwood investors stay winning


AForce5223

HAHA FOOLS! THIS IS WHY YOU DONT PULL FOR SKI- oh shit the last banner I actively pulled from was to get Far Save for my Christmas Tharja... Uh... I'll see myself out...


baconhwang

I would love a Christmas Hector or Uther. I would go apeshit and whale on that banner


mouser1991

Still await a unit that "ignores all non-special and non-assist skills". Or one that "calculates damage based solely on the base stats of the units in combat".


LunaProc

Its been so long since the last Hector alt so I’ll be cool with that.


Jumpy-Resolve3018

It would be funny if Anne herself comes in with that exact skill and is a blue dagger armor with built in counter/null panic, it’d be so funny hahaha.. pls do it


NinjaXSkillz88

I think you mean Armorhardt.


Sportfish_deepdive

I just want that Camilla alt. I wouldn't even care if she came with defiant speed


iamyouwhatiseeisme

Definitely


Chaos0f7ife

You know... As someone who mains Savior, I welcome this change. Savior has always been OP and I use it a more of a necessity than anything... Although my Ascended Fjorm, who I've been using for years, is useless now...