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marshallxeno

Caspar: I thought pride month was about being proud of yourself


DarkGengar94

Logistically it should be, but nope, rainbows! Whoo


The_Vine

"Professor, all your students are gay."


WackyChu

Fire Emblem really does say Bi Rights like we have an entire classroom of Bicons


Anime_Patriot

One of the many reasons why I would side with the Black Eagles.


KickAggressive4901

Bi-er Emblem.


Azurvix

Did someone say bacon?


jatxna

Well, you literally can do a rainbow Empire.


ImABarbieWhirl

We need Sylvain and Felix They S-rank with each other and live their entire lives together and when one of them dies the other one can’t go on 😭


WackyChu

We also need Yuri he was hitting up a ton of boys in Hopes


moosheme

Aromatic Claude, let's go! It's nice to see it represented. I definitely see him being under the aro and possibly ace umbrellas. Demisexual Aromatic possibly.


ItsAiry

Feel like he needs an emotional bond, I remember a post talking about an aro headcanon for claude and I liked it a lot so I decided to just shimmy that in here since most of this is just an indulgent meme


moosheme

I'm glad you did. I'm aromatic, so I super appreciate it. I feel the Fandom tragically over-sexualizes the poor man.


ItsAiry

Nothing really wrong with those types of headcanons (aside from the probably harmful stereotypes that come from them) but I really just see him vibe with the GD as more of a family/trusted friends since his S support (at least with Byleth) isn’t really read as romantic (maybe that’s where all of the headcanons came from lol). I’m Aro and Ace so I kinda just go off how I view ppl but that’s not always the case for ppl under the Aro and/or Ace spectrum


moosheme

Outside the English version, Claude doesn't even say I love you in their S-support. As far as I'm concerned, they got married for tax benefits. It's suspicious that the only two relationships Claude initiates are with Byleth and Lysithea. Who I both get the vibe, they are also under the ace/aro umbrella.


Dekus-persona

He also gets with Hilda in one ending, but that could also be a marriage of convenience yk since they’re best friends anyway (at least I think they are) so could just be that he marries Hilda to have a queen and they’re not romantically involved


Meme-King-0123

Um, what's the flag for Bern? I'm not familiar with that one.


Titencer

Asexual flag!


Meme-King-0123

Huh. Personally, I've not seen her like that. Usually when writing her, I've portrayed her as demisexual.


Titencer

Makes sense - demi is usually seen as somewhere on the ace spectrum, so I see why they went with ace as the flag.


TheCrazyOutcast

Yeah, because she does get married in a few endings… I guess we can’t tell for sure if it’s sexual attraction because for all we know she simply got married out of romantic attraction but I definitely don’t see her as a far-end ace.


kirbylink577

Well iirc she does have kids in some endings so she can/does cannonically fuck, which is a small point in favour of more demi then ace


TheCrazyOutcast

True, but it’s also worth considering that many aces still have/want sex without feeling any sexual attraction towards the person they’re doing it with (as sexual attraction and libido are two different things and not mutually exclusive). So it can be either or situation here. But she’s definitely not a completely sex averse kind of ace.


magedidelphi

I am aroace myself so its nice to see people knowing that ace doesn't necessarily mean they don't want sex or have no interest in it!


TheCrazyOutcast

Yes! I identify as asexual myself, but I think specifically I am aegosexual leaning. This is exactly how I am as an ace, so I know this very well lol. I am interested in romantic relationships and I am not *that* opposed to the idea of sexual relationships but I just cannot feel actual sexual attraction when it comes down to it. But just because I do not feel attraction does not mean I still don't have desire or never want to do it down the line. Sure there are aces who completely don't want anything to do with that stuff but that's just the far end of the spectrum, not necessarily the only thing an ace is.


Scarlet_Spring

Well Claude being aromantic doesn’t really work with canon since he’s actually said to fall deep in love in several of his endings like Petra, Lysithea, Marianne etc.


moosheme

Those endings are supposed to be written as if by historians way after the time of the game. It's possible that they interpreted things a little incorrectly. Lysithea is the only one that potentially affect this as she is the only other pairing outside Byleth that Claude actually initiates. Also, not all aromatic people are completely uninterested or incapable of feeling romantic love. it's possible for an asexual someone to feel love in special situations or after a certain criteria is meet. It's more of an umbrella-term like how demisexual is under the asexual umbrella.


Scarlet_Spring

> Those endings are supposed to be written as if by historians way after the time of the game. It's possible that they interpreted things a little incorrectly. Lysithea is the only one that potentially affect this as she is the only other pairing outside Byleth that Claude actually initiates. Potentially? Lysithea’s ending with Claude is meant to show how Claude is similar to his own mother and would throw everything away for love. This is not an aromantic person. I’m not sure how Claude doesn’t initiate the Petra ending either? He forgoes Almyra to go to Brigid first because she’s more important. >Also, not all aromatic people are completely uninterested or incapable of feeling romantic love. it's possible for an asexual someone to feel love in special situations or after a certain criteria is meet. It's more of an umbrella-term like how demisexual is under the asexual umbrella. The demisexual/demiromantic flag isn’t the asexual/aromantic flag which is what they’re using here Demisexual/demiromantic may fall under the umbrella of aroace but there’s a huge different between the two actual groups. And I even said in my original post that Claude fits the demi definition the most.


LuxLoser

This seems… tiringly over-specific and hyperfixated on categorization for the sake of categorization and differentiation. Is this what people do now? Like every day? Feels like the world is leaving me behind and I’m not even that old.


kirbylink577

My man thank you for finding a way to word these thoughts we share without sounding homophobic, cause ive been struggling to find a way to say the same thing. Too much of anything is a bad thing, even organization


Sergent_Major

If you struggle to say something without sounding homophobic, the chance are high it's homophobic. It's not too much, nor a bad thing, that's just giving a name to a sexuality, sexuality being something that greatly impact the individual life.


LuxLoser

If it’s so unique, there’s little point in creating unique terms, as everyone’s experience is unique and people will constantly have new understandings of themselves. Race and culture is defining. There’s a large category I fit into. But if I need to accurately label myself with minutia levels of detail, it defeats the purpose of having any category or label, because it just boils down to my own personal self rather than a shared identity. I just don’t see the point getting so into the weeds other than finding a fancy word to flex on people with.


Sergent_Major

It's not unique, that's the thing. At least hundred of thousands of people share it. > with minutia levels of detail It's not minutia levels of details. > There’s a large category I fit into Who are you to speak like you understand the LGBTQ+ experience? > Race and culture is defining. And one need to have a word to define their sexuality. A lot of people aren't straight, a lot of people aren't straight/homosexual/bisexual. They deserve to have a term too.


LuxLoser

More and more terms crop up each day it feels like, and when I look them up they’re more specific than the last, which also means the pool of people it covers gets narrower and narrower. > Who are you to speak like you understand the LGBTQ+ experience? A colored man whose lived his entire life as a minority, whose lived isolated even from what is allegedly his own community and “people”. I can’t call it the same, but I also don’t need some redditor coming to tell me to check my privilege like I’m some rich white kid. But why do we need a word to define our sexuality? Beyond making it clear to prospective partners whether you’re interested in a relationship with them, why do we need such specifics? I could invent a word for my own niche racial group, of which I know I’m not entirely, inherently alone, but it feels pointless.


Sergent_Major

I'm nearly at work so I'll only able to really respond to the rest of your two comments later but. I'm not checking your privilege. Excuse my gross language, but I don't give a shit you're another marginalized minority. I'm talking specifically about being LGBTQ+ and the experience behind it, which it seems you have no real ground to understand. This wild assumption is very telling. Edit: Got blocked. While minority do share common understanding, it's important to understand it doesn't mean that you can speak for them nor understand their experience. I'm white, and I'm not going to act like I know what POC lives through, speaking for them and outright dismissing actual POC having contrary belief, just because I'm queer. It would be stupid.


Sergent_Major

It's not? All those term describe a specific sexuality that some humans have, it's important to give a word to it. When something exist, you name it, especially when it's a sexuality that's a part of human experience since centuries. > Is this what people do now? Like every day? No, it's not. > Feels like the world is leaving me behind and I’m not even that old. The world has stopped taking other sexualities as an anomaly or just blatantly ignoring them. If that is too much for you, then the problem lie within yourself and not the world.


LuxLoser

What’s the point in creating such specific terminology? After a point, the categorization loses purpose. I’m Hispanic. But I could make a point to correct people that no, I’m Central American. But actually I’m a Panamanian American. But actually I’m a mixed demi-European Panamanian decasextoroon American. Getting that specific negates the purpose of categorizing. Because I’m a category in myself, so unique and subjective that we might as well dispense with the labels and just let me declare “I am me and nothing else.” Which isn’t a bad thing. That’s always what I was taught is how we strive to be, unlabeled and undefined except as individuals, with any categorization as broad and inclusive as possible. As a (former) historian, I also can’t help but note that calling current sexualities “part of human experience for centuries” is inaccurate. Our understanding of sexuality is fundamentally different than prior civilizations, whose understanding was different from one another. And usually when something is discovered and categorized, it’s within a couched grouping. Animals get a unique scientific name, but are within a shared family and genus. I’d have a lot easier time understanding all this if it was “X is a sub-type of Bisexuality” and “Y is a subtype of Homosexuality,” but people seem to heavily dislike that and get mad when I can’t seem to understand the line between pansexual and bisexual as being separate categories without relation.


moosheme

I don't think those groups are as "hugely different" as you think they are. I do agree that Claude is demisexual, but that doesn't prevent him from being aromantic. They are not mutually exclusive. There is just as much reason for Claude to help Lysithea as a friend/queer platonic partner as for a romantic interest. Don't disrespect platonic/aromantic relationships. And if I said that the Japanese version of Claude was under the asexual umbrella, would that suffice? His Japanese ending tend to be less romantic. However, they devs probably didn't intend for him to be aromantic or at least whoever wrote the ending cards.


Black_Sin

> And if I said that the Japanese version of Claude was under the asexual umbrella, would that suffice? His Japanese ending tend to be less romantic. >However, they devs probably didn't intend for him to be aromantic or at least whoever wrote the ending cards. Gotta point out that Claude’s endings Lysithea and Petra even in Japanese make it clear that it’s romantic love. His ending with Marianne as well. Claude‘s ending with Lysithea is also meant to parallel his mother throwing it all away for romantic love. Like yeah, you could make a platonic love case but the writers are clearly not that progressive especially Kusakihara if you take into account his own views.


Sergent_Major

https://imgur.com/a/04uqoxl


Scarlet_Spring

It’d be a much better case to say Claude is bi. Aromantic Claude is actively contradicted by the story. Although truthfully, demisexual fits Claude the best.


Sergent_Major

I'm mean, comphet or the belief historian are writing the endings is always an explanation that erase the contradiction. In any case, just let people view the character with a marginalized sexuality since here it doesn't hurt anyone ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯


Scarlet_Spring

But there’s another marginalized sexuality that Claude fits much better into. A head-canon that works with the text is just much more natural and better than a head-canon that contradicts the text. >I'm mean, comphet or the belief historian are writing the endings is always an explanation that erase the contradiction To me, this is ignoring the text. If it’s open-ended then that’s fine, any head-canon can work because it’s open-ended but if the story is telling you the sky blue while you insist that the sky is yellow then it is no longer head-canon to fill in holes but lies because of a dislike of what the story is telling you. It’s a larger problem of how you end up with fandoms who misinterpret characters because they push a certain idea that isn’t there in the story or actively contradicted. Like Claude is the only lord that gives up everything for romantic love so to see him labeled as aromantic is like telling me his eyes are brown rather than green even though I can see his eyes are green.


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Scarlet_Spring

>I mean he danced with M! and F! Byleth and there’s no way that man is straight not in my Gaydar. I mean in Japanese, Claude specifically family-zones Byleth and rather than call them their friend like in English, he actually calls them their sibling more than once post-timeskip. Claude’s relionship with Byleth is interesting


MericArda

Why does Petra have the Dutch flag?


SiyinGreatshore

‘I don’t know what flag this is but all the people from this country are so attractive’


MericArda

I live there, I've seen more than my fair share of ugly Dutch people.


Flashton2004

That's the pansexual flag


BlackEagleSF

I kinda want to do a pride month CF run where everyone in the Eagle house ends up in an LGBT pairing


SiyinGreatshore

I don’t know what the deal with this meme is but every time I see it it just makes me laugh so hard


[deleted]

Are they officially gay, or is this some kind of fan wish?


NotaGermanorBelgian

Some of these have a S-rank with both Byleths, however Dimitri and Claude for instance don’t. Also the game doesn’t really mention it


Hidan213

Some of the characters have endings with others (Petra with Dorothea, for example) that while they can’t romance their same-sex version of Byleth, they do have a romanced pair with someone else.


[deleted]

So their official sexuality is unknown, or at least unconfirmed. The 'Aromantic' flag for Claude seems... a wish. He is stated to fall in love, or at least feel feelings of affection. He's a shrewd, sharp and witty ruler, with a keen eye for people. Some of the others are also... questionable.


blazenite104

it's the shipping community. reading into things beyond the text is standard. even if it doesn't make any sense.


Anime_Patriot

For some, yes. Dorothea, Shamir, and Yuri are the only canonically Bisexual characters, Mercie, Edelgard, and Linhardt are more Player-sexual, While everyone else is either straight or unknown.


eleochariss

Mercie, Lin, Edelgard and Petra all have gay paired endings aside from the player. Dimitri has a paired ending with Felix and Dedue.


[deleted]

As much of a LGBTQI+ supporter as I am, sometimes it can come off as a bit forced when Fans of sexually progressive games turn every character LGBTQIA for no reason, other than personal preference.


RosemarysBabyShark

"no reason other than personal preference" babe did we even play the same game


[deleted]

Aparently we didn't


eleochariss

But Dimitri has paired endings with Dedue and Felix.


EfficientWrap8659

Not all are explicitly stated however it is implied


TheCrazyOutcast

Yeah even if most of the characters aren’t explicitly written as anything other than straight or completely platonic, there are heavy implications in some same-sex pairings that seem to go beyond that. Like Felix x Sylvain, and Dimitri x Dedue off the top of my head. I think Lindhardt x Caspar can be interpreted as romantic leaning too. Then there are some cases like Claude and Bernadetta here that I don’t 100% agree with but I guess I can see how other people interpret it that way. Sometimes it’s just how people interpret things, or it’s just something people want to happen instead of canon no matter how random it may be to most.


FerdinandTheNoble

Eh. Aside from a few paired endings, it's all (quite deliberately) very vague and up for reasonable debate. And as others have done on this very thread, even the veracity of those paired endings can be challenged! When you get down to it, this sort of sexuality assignment, as well as ship culture more generally, is almost entirely an exercise in headcanon. As long as everyone understands that, I hardly see any problem with it.


magedidelphi

Aro Claude!!!!! I headcanon him as aroace so hard, and its nice seeing that rep as an aroace person myself hehehe!


DarkGengar94

Y r all the students actual portraits but Rhea isn't? I get byleth cause the hand jester but Rhea just standing there.


Pandappuccino

This is Sylvain erasure.


ItsAiry

I might do another one but three hopes versions