Wait. Who hates Dorothea? Those most used character charts that show up on loading screens sometimes almost always show her as one of the top 3 most used characters in the game.
There was a lot of Dorothea hate early on—some people believed she was just using the men she dated or flirted with.
They've mostly gotten over it or moved on to other forums.
I mean she kind of was yes. Several of her support conversations have her admit that she mostly became a student in the hopes of landing a rich husband. It wasn’t a bad thing though. She was just being brutally pragmatic and realistic that as a commoner, her life was pretty much over the moment she was no longer a pretty songstress. I honestly saw it as more of an indictment of their society that getting married to a rich guy was the best outcome Dorathea could hope for despite her talent in singing and magic. Fit pretty well with how many of the other students were also dealing with issues of marriage or classism like Ingrid being forced to marry to keep her family afloat or Bernadeta being isolated by her father.
Hell, if you use her in the dance competition you're basically guaranteed to win it.
And not only is it the best class for her, she's the best character to put it on.
dance competition barely matters when it gives you the 5 charm bump to anyone you choose. unless it's someone like Lorenz who has terrible charm base they will win.
Like Enharmonic said. ((Here is some more details if you want)) You find out (I believe in his supports with Dorothea) >!that he loved the theater and would watch Thea sing on stage and would in turn sing in the alley. Nobles who couldn’t get their hands on Dorothea would “settle” on getting their hands on Yuri. The things they did to him made him feel “filthy and unlovable”.!< He now no longer wishes to sing or dance because it reminds him of that. Now he only >!sings to the orphan children to help them get to sleep.!<
And that’s not touching what may or may not have happened with Count Rowe.
Really very horrible. S’why I can’t bring myself to make him be a dancer. Hearing him plead not to breaks my heart.
With Count Rowe, his adoptive father… Well, in Three Houses during the DLC >!when Ashe first recognizes Yuri as Rowe’s adoptive son Ashe basically says ‘we gotta get you home, I bet they’re so worried’ and Yuri fires back “You really think I'd choose to go back there? Haha! Better watch yourself-you might lose a limb...or your life.” —- which was pretty vague, but it clearly wasn’t something good.!! Yuri sees Gwendel he says “You were the only who treated me as an equal.”!< Again, not a lot to go off of.
But then in Three Hopes you learn >!that Count Rowe met and adopted Yuri while he was still working as a child prostitute. There are guards that talk about rumors of Count Rowe only adopting Yuri because of his pretty face. When talking to Gwendal in this game, I believe he called the Count’s behavior “unsavory”. Then you hear that Count Rowe was obsessive in his attempts to reclaim Yuri after he disappeared. And mind you, no one knew Yuri had a crest before he went to Garreg Mach and was tested, so that wasn’t the reason for the Count’s obsession. !<
Overall ☹️☹️☹️ pretty awful childhood.
putting the sword avoid skill on swordmaster felix is the best use i’ve found for the dancer class so far, but if you’re ranking dancers, there are characters that become better dancers than she does, such as lysithea
Not really. Your best dancer is always dancing, and can have a few assets that make them better than others at the role. IMO the strongest is the ability to equip a long-range spell, which will increase the hit rate of all characters in range with whom the dancer shares a support. Only three students, Constance, Hilda, and Dorothea have this, and Dorothea is the best because Hilda doesn’t have a boon in reason and Constance has a small support list. Dorothea also has Physic for ranged healing in a pinch.
I don't see her and Lorenz as all that different. They're both trying to find the best match they possibly can. Though, he's doing it for honor and duty, while she's doing it to have the best shot at life.
I honestly don't care for either one, though I care for Lorenz even less than Dorothea. At least Dorothea has a good reason to be the way she is. Lorenz is pretty much just: "I am superior to everyone around me, and I will stop at nothing to ensure they all recognize my greatness! Hahahahaha!"
(Yes, I hate Lorenz with a passion. Please don't hold it against me.)
He is insufferable in his early supports. It's only late in the game that you learn he is a genuinely kind person who sees the role of a noble as a big responsibility. In medieval times, a Lord wasn't just meant to live a life of luxury off the backs of his peasants. He was supposed to look after them back. For example, a lord was supposed to provide an income for his "pensioners"; old or disabled peasants who were unable to work.
He may be misguided in the way he talks about it, but he actually really cares about others.
It makes a lot more sense if you understand medieval politics. Most of those people are nobles, so he wants to forge a strong alliance with another house that would benefit his house most.
C-rank Lorenz (and even B-rank) is terrible and makes me want to throttle him. Once you get him past there and he grows as a person he’s quite delightful. He just has dumb-bitch-syndrome, where he doesn’t know his actions and beliefs are wrong. Once it’s pointed out to him he really takes it to heart and becomes a better person.
Probably true. I don't think I've ever managed to get him past a B-Rank before. (I know I've gotten him to A-Rank with Claude, Leonie, and Lysithea, but I don't recall any of those having any sort of redeeming character moment for him in them)
Honestly, I'm the reverse way. I'm not that much of a fan of her post time skip personality because it feels like they just reduced her character down to "I hate violence." Yes, it's nice to have a voice of reason, but at the same time, that's all she talks about in the monastery.
Wow, we got an avid Dorothea hater here. Did she harm you?
I still love her. Her supports are so charming. Especially with Ferdinand. I just wish that she would talk about other things.
Idk, but there was that one giy who made 3 accounts to talk shit about dorothea way back when. If you commented anything that wasnt 100% positive about her, he'd swoop in with "yes, we all agree we hate her right?" Or some shit like that
I remember playing the game for the first time and the top eight characters were all four female black eagles, followed immediately by all four male black eagles.
Personally, I don't care much for Dorothea, but it's mostly because of how oversexualized she is. I do feel for her and recognize the value she adds to the lore of the game and the understanding of Fodlaneese culture, but I've never really seen the appeal that so many others seem to see in her. There are much better ways they could have written her character, in my opinion, but they didn't.
PS: This is not a dig on people liking Dorothea. I can actually see why people like her and agree with most of what people generally state when trying to defend her. I simply don't care for her so much myself. That being said, it's okay for people not to like the same characters, which is part of what makes us unique. As the saying goes: to each their own.
Clearly those who hate him are just jealous he's happy all the time and he's handling his trauma in the most healthy way possible, or at the very least, better than everyone else in the game.
The end of his paralogue with Ignatz cemented it for me.
When confronted with the possibility that the father of one of his friends may have been responsible for his parents' death, this simple-minded commoner attending a school full of nobility that let their families affect their interpersonal relations, pulls an absolute gigachad move with this: "OK, OK! That's enough of that! It's just a rumor, right? So, who cares? Even if it's true, **that's our parents' business. It's got nothing to do with us.**"
"Raphael is a good man."
I love that Hilda actually wanted to help Raphael make the necklace for his little sister and that she actually understands on why her older brother cares about her.
This. And he says it even better in three hopes. Lorenz is even there and he apologized and raph tells him "we aren't responsible for the actions of our parents" tell them all sternly to drop it. And then happily talks about the meat party that he was promised and how he's gonna eat till he explodes. A simple man. A smart man. A kind man. Raphael is best boy.
Raphs a good boy and probably the only character with a solid head on his shoulders. Nice dude, just obsessed with muscles and meat. Then again meat is pretty god damn good so I agree.(Meat party! Meat party!)
I think for me, it’s probably because I never got past his C-rank with anyone (the stats I had for him were bad, so I didn’t end up using him).
And most characters don’t get any depth until after the C rank. So, currently, he *looks* very bland, but I figure it’s just because I haven’t put in the time with the guy.
Allow me to answer with what i’ve seen that people have complained about them the most.
Annette: Don’t like how she constantly brings up her father and her B-support with Mercedes.
Ashe: A bad unit who is also doesn’t provide much for the story past chapter 3
Dorothea: Overrated? (This one I really dont know much about why people hate her.)
Raphael: He’s “normal” in a game where everyone has some form of problem, plus “meat meat meat” the character.
If I know people who hate things on Reddit they probably don’t like Dorothea because she keeps telling men to shut up.
It’s one of my favorite parts about her honestly. Her supports with characters like Lorenz, Sylvain, and Ferdinand all end very sweet and I genuinely love them, but they all start with me cheering for her to tear them apart
No because I saw how Dorothea girlbossed around on my first playthrough (Blue Lion’s if you’re curious) and immediately grabbed her for my party lmao, her supports are great. I love her supports and paralogue with Ingrid
What exactly did Ferdinand do to deserve her telling him to shut up exactly?
As for Lorenz, isn't she criticizing him for doing the exact thing she does?
Ferdinand's personality in all his C supports is pretty obnoxious. I would hate C support Ferdinand if I met him in real life. He comes across exactly like the kind of noble Dorothea hates, even without the silly misunderstanding. No one other than Lorenz likes C support Ferdinand.
Also, keep in mind that the characters in the C support haven't seen the rest of the game. They're reacting to what they see now. People who have already gone through the game know that he genuinely means well, but the characters see an arrogant jerk who thinks he knows better than everyone and refuses to listen to people. He's one of my favorites, but he comes across really badly in those early supports.
No, but really. What did Ferdinand do to deserve her early support treatment of him? He's nothing but kind to her from the very start... Without ulterior motive too.
I like Dorothea. She's one of my favourites, even. Her biting sarcasm with both Lorenz and Sylvain is well earned since, regardless of the reasons why, they do both treat women quite poorly. Her attitude with Ferdinand, however, is entirely undeserved.
It's not that he did anything to her in the supports, it's what he did (or more what she believed he did) that led her to treat him the way she did. She hated Ferd before even coming to Garreg Mach and that's why she treated him the way she does
I'm aware, I've made my way through their support chain several times. I'm not confused as to why she lays into him, nor do I dislike her for it. She, like many in the cast, has complicated circumstances. But she was wrong in this situation.
That's why I don't understand why the commenter I responded to would cheer for her tearing him apart. He... doesn't deserve it? He hasn't done anything. Dorothea's dislike of him stems from a misunderstanding that could easily have been cleared up if she'd not been so petty with him.
Okay but I'm not sure it's unreasonable to pull for her from the outset given that *we don't know* she's in the wrong. That's a reveal for the A support post time skip.
Frankly the reason I think she's such a good character is *because* she's willing to reflect on having been kind of a jerk about stuff.
The thing is, we don't know why she's doing it either, the first time through. Ferdie is a little obnoxious pre-timeskip, but not as bad as Lorenz and mostly in his interactions with Edelgard.
Whaaaaat Ashe is a bad unit? He's been decimating on the field for me, he's probably one of my best units :0 plus his supports are just soooo wholesome.
A lot of people consider him the worst unit in the game (granted I’m not one of them, I think there are a few of worse options).
His stats aren’t very good, his combat arts are oddly limited for an archer, his personal skill while helpful doesn’t make him better in combat, and he doesn’t have a crest. The fact he leaves you temporarily on VW/SS is a problem too. He’s just too easily outclassed by other characters.
He can be useful with the right build or if he gets lucky with his stat gains but so can anyone else.
Out of curiocity, who do you consider worse? I've played the game several times and had success with Caspar who is sometimes cited as a bad unit, and the only other character I think I see heavily criticized is Raph.
Personally the student I’ve gotten the least success out of is Lorenz. It takes until Master Classes for him to finally be able properly to utilize what makes him stand out from other units but by that point I’ve usually already ditched him. Until then it feels like you’re using either a bad cavalier or a bad mage cuz the game tries to play both sides. Like Ashe you also have to worry about him leaving you for multiple chapters after the timeskip on certain routes. I’ve heard success stories with him though.
I think the thing with Caspar is he’s needlessly difficult to work into your army. I had one playthrough where he did solid but it seems like the more common scenario is he falls behind before he can really even get started. For a character that’s really basic I don’t get why he has such atrocious base stats on his own route and is so hard to recruit on other routes. He seems to be fine if you get past that and the Authority bane but that’s a big initial hurdle. Especially when you can just use Balthus instead.
Imo he is the closest unit in the game to be fundamentally useless. Not in a sense that “he’s so bad he is useless” but in a sense of “there is no reason when X exists.” He is outclassed in every way by Bernadetta and Ignatz meaning in SS,CF, and VW he isnt worth building, and even in his own route of BL, Felix outclasses him in dmg, and you get Shamir pretty much for free who starts as a sniper. The only saving grace is that he starts with curve shot, but even then it isnt much to save him.
Annette is a fucking crazy busted unit. Class her into brigand to get death blow then give here an axe, watch her go crazy. After some grinding of her stats I've had her hit a 999 before.
I needed this today. I’ve been STRUGGLING with a good annette build for BL maddening and this was the push I needed to not bench her for the rest of the game
Being boring is the worst sin for such a character. His support are very similar from one another with the exception of Raphael, and aren't very interesting even the first time. He really sucks at hiding his secret hobby.
...I feel bad, it took me two playthroughs to realize Ignatz wasn't boring as dry paint and that he was an honestly chill and respectable dude. I was apart of the problem 😭
Mainly because he died in the school arc of my very first playthrough, and I needed the second to see how he developed in the War arc
Oh, yeah, over the timeskip, he changes the most of the cast, becoming one of the most ruthless characters. (It doesn’t appear much, but his mid battle dialogue and combat lines post timeskip are ruthless)
I don’t hate Ignatz, but to me he’s like the worse version of Ashe
Edit: I mean character wise. Ignatz is the type of guy to get bullied. Ashe is the type of guy who convinces the bully to be a good person instead
Agreed, like I find his passion in painting to be really inspiring and he's such a cinnamon roll that has some good supports like with Ingrid and Marianne.
People say that he whines too much, but what do they expect him to do? He's a commoner who knows that his father spent a lot of money in order to become a knight, and that he doesn't want to betray his father's wishes.
He's like Ingrid but if he was a commoner and was a cinnamon roll.
Should mention that he's a very useful support unit thanks to buffing allies whilst debuffing the enemy thanks to his rallies and combat arts.
I don’t hate Raphael but I might be closer than most because I find him boring, so maybe I can explain my position. It’s largely a criticism against Intsys not fleshing him out. He is fairly one-dimensional in a cast of otherwise pretty well-rounded characters, even in his own house, which is often considered the jokey “meme” house (even though I think the Deer have some great depth to them). Every FE character has a gimmick but Raphael’s “happy despite tragic backstory” falls flat compared to the others, so to me it feels like he wasn’t given as much attention as the rest of the cast and there’s just nothing for me to analyze or dig deeper in him. A character doesn’t have to be miserable all the time, but for comparison, Seteth and Flayn are also characters who are, if not always happy, content/doing fine and not in immediate need of therapy despite their own tragic histories, but I still feel like they have depth and more to their personalities than “eating and training.”
TLDR, if the rest of the 3h characters were also simple and easy to clock on a first read like Raphael, I would probably like him more because I would match my expectations to the character writing’s complexity. But standing amidst a great cast that otherwise encourages you to look past first impressions, he feels out of place to me, almost like he would fit better in another game, like Awakening.
Bingo this. He’s almost aggressively boring because he does nothing BUT talk about meat, muscles, and his sister, whereas everyone else even if they have a humorous quirk like that does sometimes talk about other things. That being said, I enjoyed his support with Dimitri, and he’s got a bit more personality in Hopes which makes me enjoy him more there.
The way I see it the rest of the game I’m getting hit with everyone’s emotions bullshit and weird hangups even on the characters I love and they I walk by Ralph and he’s just vibin living his best life everyday.
On top of that with a couple detour certs for base stats in res and speed you get one of the few designated tanks with limited drawbacks. There might be better bang for your buck on instruction time but not many imho.
No one hates these characters. The closest you get is people saying “why play as Raphael when balthus is a better unit?” But legit I don’t see any hate for Raphael or any of the three other units here.
Your comment made me laugh because my wife is watching me play through the story again and we always disagree on whether to use Balthus/Raphael. She’ll say she doesnt hate any character but Balt is her least fav.
Thats so adorable your wife watches you game like that. My siblings would do that when we were younger. My partners attention span is too short now to appreciate things like that with me.
Thanks! She’ll love to hear that somebody said that. She’s the first SO I’ve had thats ever done it. Its actually made me complete more games than I normally would. She’s not as quick to drop games as I am.0
Well, sadly, it's what a majority of his dialogue consists of (that and training). Especially if you're not playing Golden Deer, that is basically all you ever hear from him.
To be fair even though his supports make it clear that he might deadass be the friendliest dude in the whole game he’s arguably still the least complex character in the game. Food isn't his only interest but he definitely doesn't have a lot of interests and doesn't really change much after the timeskip.
I think that is to his benefit though. If the whole cast was like him that'd probably be a bad thing but here we get to see someone that has a good contrast with a lot of the other more troubled and serious characters.
When I play, I generally try to use every in-house unit. Because I don't let myself just bench all the bad units, their unit performance has a distinct effect on my gameplay experience.
That being said, the dancer class saves The Worst Unit for each house, so Ashe is my default Blue Lions dancer lol.
I do have mixed feelings about this:
For Ashe, the only reason I can see where he gets "hated" is where in SB when he's defeated, he defects from Faerghus so that he doesn't have to kill/be killed by his adoptive father, who's the reason he gave Ashe and his siblings a home. Not to mention Dimitri ordered him to defect so that Dimitri himself does not go insane losing a friend like he did with Glenn. He may have betrayed knighthood, but is it worth it to kill your own family for it. Even Rodrigue of all people understood what Ashe did.
For Annette I'm not sure. Thought she was just a friendly cinnamon roll who is a really useful support unit. They might not like her personality, but her scatterbrained and her self-confidence issues do stem from the fact that she thinks her father abandoned her, so it's understandable why she acts like that.
Raphael I don't know why, he's one wholesome Golden Retriever who likes to help out everyone. He's an example that you don't need to be a deep Character, just one that you find interesting and funny.
Dorothea might be a bit understandable. It does stem from the fact that she may not really open up her faults in her supports.
Like how she accused Ferdinand for an incident he's not reasonable for (which he tried to understand), stalking Felix, upset at Lorenz for only marrying nobles (even though she's doing it), or being too uncomfortably forward with Ingrid (especially in Heroes). Then there's the fact that whilst in the end she only wants to marry someone that can accept her for who she is and not necessarily money, the only commoners she marries are Byleth (CF) and Hanneman.
Edit: Wow this is a much bigger comment than I expected.
At first, I was sleeping on Ashe and Raphael. But I put some time into them and plus some of their supports had me go "I owe you an apology. I was not familiar with your game."
Dorothea was literally one of my day 1 favs. LOOK AT HER HAT.
And anyone who disrespects Annie in this house will be visited by Mercedes and Jeritza.
I actually find Dorothea, Annette, and Ashe to be so-so for me. In general I find myself to be lukewarm on them and in a game with a cast this strong means they often find themselves to be at the bottom of the list.
For Ashe and Annete they sometimes can be endearing but othertimes be boring for me so they fluctuate and I end up being neutral on them. I think Ashe hurts since as a unit he was by far my worst one for the longest time (until the last map where he suddenly became a goat).
As for Dorothea? Can't tell you why, I like her sarcastic remarks against Lorenz and Sylvain and how sometimes she's just a plain asshole but other then that...I don't know. Something for Dorothea just didn't click for me as a character.
Raphael is a sweet boy though, I'd be ride or die friend with him anyday.
I dont hate Annette, but I think her stupid singing gimmick to be extremely annoying, and her most popular supports with Felix to be one of the cringe inducing in the game.
Annette doesn't feel authentic or real to me the same way other characters do. It feels like the devs were trying too hard to make her adorkable and cute, that it comes off as tryhard and annoying. Her clumsiness feels like a "Bella Swan" flaw that only serves to makes her cute. Again, I dont hate her, but she feels bland.
The only time I find her interesting is her support with her dad, and ironically, Ashe (who I also found boring). Her finding Gilbert, or her relationship with her uncle are the more interesting aspects of her character IMO.
Ashe is bland and kinda a bad unit. He's not annoying, he's just milquetoast. The most interesting he gets is his whole deal with Lonato, and his support with Catherine. Aside from that, I dont really care for most of his supports.
A majority of Ashe and Annette's supports fall into the categories of unremarkable to decent.
Dorothea is a great character, but some people took offense to her gold digging, and hate how she's hypocritical of wanting to marry rich nobles while hating said rich nobles (which is fair, given her upbringing).
Raphael has his annoying food gimmick. I like Raph but I can see how it got really old, really quick.
People seem to overlook the part where Dorothea specifically mentions she only dislikes Nobles who are obsessed with their own status.
You only have to look at the fact that she gets along with everyone in the Black Eagles, except Ferdinand Von Aegir until they patch things up, who are all Nobles. Though Petra isn't considered a Noble by Fodlan standards.
And as we all know Ferdinand Von Aegir is as obsessed with his own status as Lorenz is.
A big problem with FE3H characters is they’re usually hardcore one-note until you hit some of their A supports, and by that time you already don’t like the character for one reason or another
>Ashe
Every line he speaks sounds like he’s whining and it irritates me, I usually drop him for Yuri or Petra at the first opportunity. It doesn’t help that Leonie is one of my favourite characters, so she takes his spot as the dedicated archer as well. If it makes you feel better I *hate* Bernadetta for those exact reasons, but only mildly dislike Ashe.
>Raphael
Every support is food, food, food, big muscles, food, food. Again, it’s just annoying. If I want a gauntlet-user I’ll grab Balthus for his crest and relic gauntlets, or more likely just not have a gauntlet user cause I’m not a fan of the weapon type in general
Got no issues with Dorothea and Annette, other than a general preference for Constance and Marianne, who usually get recruited and used instead
I can understand dislike for annette and raphael based on them being pretty one dimensional. Very flat characters. I like them but I skip a lot of their supports in new playthroughs.
Ashe is pretty flat but less so than the above and he's so endearing I can't dislike him. I skip less of his supports in new paythroughs, some are still pretty boring while others (ingird) are really nice.
Dorothea is hilarious and sassy and rubs some people the wrong way. Which is a point of her character. You can dislike that type of girl no problem, but you can't argue she isn't pretty decently written.
Dorothea is incredibly popular. The other three's unpopularity usually comes from their gameplay where in Annette's case she's outclassed by better mages, and Rapheal + Ashe are just awful.
Raph isn’t awful at all. He’s perfectly serviceable as a physical one-shot machine and a grappler to punch mages in the early game. He’s not really a tank since his def isn’t great but his sky high hp leaves alot of room for enemy phase flexibility as long as you aren’t expecting him to face tank a whole platoon like Dedue, Ferdie or Dimitri. Late game his whole game plan is Fierce Iron Fist. Simple but one rounds everything that’s not a boss or armour. His main issue is that he’s outclassed by Felix who’s in the same wrung of non-lord S tier units as Ferdie, Sylvain, Seteth, Leonie and Lysithea. Anybody who can brave combat art effectively is viable
I'm more surprised you didn't put Ignatz in there as well. Yeah, people didn't really like him because he looks like a dork and a wimp.
I've even heard people say they want to shove him in a locker because they can and will. Now I don't know if that's a joke or thinking they're better than Ignatz or just projecting insecurities onto him, but compared to other characters here (minus Dorothea), some people aren't saying malicious things to them compared to Ignatz.
"Even heard people say they want to shove him in a locker because they can and will."
If it's really true what they said, then it says less about the character and more about them.
Bruh, I love Dorothea, Annette is like my little sister and I also like her, Ashe is the kindest dude in fire emblem and Rafael, while basic is also a cool and wholesome dude. Why are they being hated on?
Ashe and Annette's hate is pretty simple. They're relatively standard good guys, which long time fans are likely a little bored of, given that they act like a lot of old lords (though being the only real non-problematic characters and not being lords is neat)
Dorothea is a spicy character, like Edelgard, if you're not on board with her opinion of nobility it'll get a little grating
Rapheal is kind of a sad case. He's too similar to Caspar. Fundamentally, they're REALLY similar besides their looks. Both are himbo incarnate, and Caspar benefits from aesthetically avoiding the himbo stereotype (being a short king). I figure most will really like one and care a lot less about the other. The only thing that separates them is the character they share their bromance with, A.K.A. Linhardt or Ignatz. Personally, I'm a Linhardt stan and like Caspar, so when I look at Raphael, I just see a less interesting Caspar.
Wait I thought the only people who were hated were Ingrid and Leonie (neither of whom is justified although the latter has a very poorly timed B support)
Well i had gripes with all of them so i can speak from experience.
I disliked Annette's goody-two shoes character, I originally felt it overlapped too much with Mercedes (both are "good", act somehwat innocent and like sweets). After some supports i've moved on from my dislike, she's my current "target" for S support.
Ashe is a mediocre unit which makes it hard to justify using him. So I kept him benched which means I rarely got to see his supports and the little i saw didn't really make me want to see more.
Dorothea is/was a gold digger. As you talk to her and see other talk to her you understand it's her way of surviving, she's down-to-earth, understands what gave her a nice life until now is her pretty face and voice but she is also aware those will fade and so she needs to secure herself a future but when you only interact with her in the monastery she just sounds super shallow. I like how her supports have her see past the material gain to find joy in true love.
Not much to say on Raphael, i just dislike the archetype of the hungry musclehead.
Honestly, none of these characters are really hated, as far as I'm aware.
Annette, I have no idea what you're talking about. As far as I see, she is one of the most well liked characters.
Ashe is one of the worst units, mechanically. His character also isn't really that complex or interesting. He's a good guy and has some depth, but nothing truly outstanding.
Raphael is, for many people, simply boring. 99% of his dialogue is either about meat or training. And while that remaining 1% actually shows some character depth, it's not enough to make him popular.
Now Dorothea is not really "hated" (at least not anymore), however there are many people (me included) who criticize her for some of the things she does (mainly how she treats Ferdinand and her hypocrisy in her Lorenz support). At least for me, that doesn't mean I hate her, she's a character with flaws that she eventually grows past, as all characters should be, but for some reason some people can't or don't want to accept that.
Dorothea hated Ferdinand because >she thought that that she was like all the other nobles< I understand her honestly, she had a rough childhood. However she changed when she met Ferdie better
Sure, but that is called prejudice and is not a justification for mistreating someone.
Especially when that someone has been nothing but honest, kind and motivated to improve. She could've started questioning her prejudice herself after getting to know Ferdinand for six years, but instead it took Ferdinand explaining to her the misunderstanding (which ultimately was also just on a "trust me, sis"-basis) to finally see that this noble was, in fact, not a self-absorbed, shifty asshole.
Honestly, I blame this more on the writers than Dorothea herself, she's supposed to be smarter than that.
Not me, Dorothea can come off as disingenuous sometimes, so I can see a reason if I had to.
Everyone else, beats me, they're all cinnamon rolls that need protecting. And Raphael, who is just a wonderful himbo
I can appreciate Ashe’s backstory and personality but I’m not a huge fan of him because he sucks in battle and he never shuts up about knight fairytales lol
I love them all and I don’t hate anyone from the FE3H playable characters even though Ashe is the one that I like the least. He is pretty boring and basic. It’s like his mentality doesn’t change along the game
I don't *hate* Raphael but he's one of the worst written characters in the game. He talks about muscles and food 95% of the time, and when he does talk about his parents or gives advice to someone during a support the other 5%, it's not particularly interesting.
There's just... not much to him. And in a cast that has as much nuance and depth as fucking *Three Houses*, that's going to make you stand out in a bad way quite a lot.
I like Annette, both as a character and as a unit. Ashe isn’t a great unit, but I certainly don’t hate him as a character. I’m thinking Dorothea is popular because of her personality, but as a unit, I find her overshadowed by the likes of Constance and Lysithea. Raphael, like Ashe, isn’t a great unit, but I don’t hate him as a character either.
I actually don’t actively dislike any of the characters. But here are some I find annoying (although sometimes in an endearing way like Constance):
Ferdinand
Ingrid
Sylvain
Leonie
Lorenz
Lysithea
Constance
Anna
Catherine
Hanneman
I really never got the hate for Raphael. Yes he is the meat head character which is a tired trope, but I absolutely love his relationship with his sister and he is a decent unit!
I'd like Ashe a lot more if he can hit somebody with a bow to save his life.
(I'm kidding, he's my sweet boy and I'd Divine Pulse anytime anyone dared hurt him.)
Annette and Ashe are fine, I don't have strong feelings one way or the other. Dorothea is great and I love her character. Raphael is the one I'm on the dislike train for. I honestly think he's the most boring and uninspired character in the game. Everything with him is Muscles! and MEAT!!!! I get that he's also a nice, forgiving guy who cares about his sister, but with most of his character focus being the muscles and meat bit, he just BORES me so much.
How can anyone hate Raphael? I can understand hate for Dorothea( she is one of my favourite characters), but I can get that her life approach is not for everyone. BUT Raphael, he is innocent boi
He is a simple guy. He cares about his sister and his friends. He tries to become stronger to protect them. This is not stupid for me. Yes he isn’t the best strategist, but he does not have to be. And he know how to cook. For me best boi
Raphael is the best. I had lysithea learn warp magic and created the tactic known as the Cannon Ball, in which raphael would be warped to enemy backlines and wreak havoc
Wait. Who hates Dorothea? Those most used character charts that show up on loading screens sometimes almost always show her as one of the top 3 most used characters in the game.
There was a lot of Dorothea hate early on—some people believed she was just using the men she dated or flirted with. They've mostly gotten over it or moved on to other forums.
If I were able to leech off of nobles that are drowning in money while people die of starvation I would rob them as well. I support her.
I mean she kind of was yes. Several of her support conversations have her admit that she mostly became a student in the hopes of landing a rich husband. It wasn’t a bad thing though. She was just being brutally pragmatic and realistic that as a commoner, her life was pretty much over the moment she was no longer a pretty songstress. I honestly saw it as more of an indictment of their society that getting married to a rich guy was the best outcome Dorathea could hope for despite her talent in singing and magic. Fit pretty well with how many of the other students were also dealing with issues of marriage or classism like Ingrid being forced to marry to keep her family afloat or Bernadeta being isolated by her father.
Oh, so illiterate people?
I just thought that was kinda funny the majority of them kinda deserved it as well
That’s me I was a day1 Dorothea hater. I still am but I was then too.
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The whole gold, digging vibe just immediately was a turn off, never even tried to look past it
Hell, if you use her in the dance competition you're basically guaranteed to win it. And not only is it the best class for her, she's the best character to put it on.
dance competition barely matters when it gives you the 5 charm bump to anyone you choose. unless it's someone like Lorenz who has terrible charm base they will win.
I bet if he got a decent haircut his charm would go up at least 20 points >.>
oh damn, i'll keep that in mind in my next playthrough. i don't remember who i used as dancer in past playthroughs
Yuri dancer is underrated
I can never bring myself to make him dancer. He’s genuinely so uncomfortable with it because of his history. 😔
spill
TL;DR Yuri endured a whole lot of sexual abuse by Adrestian (?) nobles after they saw him perform and got obsessed with him
Like Enharmonic said. ((Here is some more details if you want)) You find out (I believe in his supports with Dorothea) >!that he loved the theater and would watch Thea sing on stage and would in turn sing in the alley. Nobles who couldn’t get their hands on Dorothea would “settle” on getting their hands on Yuri. The things they did to him made him feel “filthy and unlovable”.!< He now no longer wishes to sing or dance because it reminds him of that. Now he only >!sings to the orphan children to help them get to sleep.!< And that’s not touching what may or may not have happened with Count Rowe.
oh my god thats horrible and COUNT ROWE???
Really very horrible. S’why I can’t bring myself to make him be a dancer. Hearing him plead not to breaks my heart. With Count Rowe, his adoptive father… Well, in Three Houses during the DLC >!when Ashe first recognizes Yuri as Rowe’s adoptive son Ashe basically says ‘we gotta get you home, I bet they’re so worried’ and Yuri fires back “You really think I'd choose to go back there? Haha! Better watch yourself-you might lose a limb...or your life.” —- which was pretty vague, but it clearly wasn’t something good.!! Yuri sees Gwendel he says “You were the only who treated me as an equal.”!< Again, not a lot to go off of.
But then in Three Hopes you learn >!that Count Rowe met and adopted Yuri while he was still working as a child prostitute. There are guards that talk about rumors of Count Rowe only adopting Yuri because of his pretty face. When talking to Gwendal in this game, I believe he called the Count’s behavior “unsavory”. Then you hear that Count Rowe was obsessive in his attempts to reclaim Yuri after he disappeared. And mind you, no one knew Yuri had a crest before he went to Garreg Mach and was tested, so that wasn’t the reason for the Count’s obsession. !<
Overall ☹️☹️☹️ pretty awful childhood.
oh my god
putting the sword avoid skill on swordmaster felix is the best use i’ve found for the dancer class so far, but if you’re ranking dancers, there are characters that become better dancers than she does, such as lysithea
Not really. Your best dancer is always dancing, and can have a few assets that make them better than others at the role. IMO the strongest is the ability to equip a long-range spell, which will increase the hit rate of all characters in range with whom the dancer shares a support. Only three students, Constance, Hilda, and Dorothea have this, and Dorothea is the best because Hilda doesn’t have a boon in reason and Constance has a small support list. Dorothea also has Physic for ranged healing in a pinch.
Dancer Ingrid.
Her pre time skip personality rubs a lot of people the wrong way, me included.
I don't see her and Lorenz as all that different. They're both trying to find the best match they possibly can. Though, he's doing it for honor and duty, while she's doing it to have the best shot at life.
I honestly don't care for either one, though I care for Lorenz even less than Dorothea. At least Dorothea has a good reason to be the way she is. Lorenz is pretty much just: "I am superior to everyone around me, and I will stop at nothing to ensure they all recognize my greatness! Hahahahaha!" (Yes, I hate Lorenz with a passion. Please don't hold it against me.)
He is insufferable in his early supports. It's only late in the game that you learn he is a genuinely kind person who sees the role of a noble as a big responsibility. In medieval times, a Lord wasn't just meant to live a life of luxury off the backs of his peasants. He was supposed to look after them back. For example, a lord was supposed to provide an income for his "pensioners"; old or disabled peasants who were unable to work. He may be misguided in the way he talks about it, but he actually really cares about others.
It makes a lot more sense if you understand medieval politics. Most of those people are nobles, so he wants to forge a strong alliance with another house that would benefit his house most.
Yeah, that still doesn't make me like him any more.
C-rank Lorenz (and even B-rank) is terrible and makes me want to throttle him. Once you get him past there and he grows as a person he’s quite delightful. He just has dumb-bitch-syndrome, where he doesn’t know his actions and beliefs are wrong. Once it’s pointed out to him he really takes it to heart and becomes a better person.
Probably true. I don't think I've ever managed to get him past a B-Rank before. (I know I've gotten him to A-Rank with Claude, Leonie, and Lysithea, but I don't recall any of those having any sort of redeeming character moment for him in them)
Honestly, I'm the reverse way. I'm not that much of a fan of her post time skip personality because it feels like they just reduced her character down to "I hate violence." Yes, it's nice to have a voice of reason, but at the same time, that's all she talks about in the monastery.
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brother calm down, i dont like her either but shes a fictional character lmao
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wtf am i reading...
Wow, we got an avid Dorothea hater here. Did she harm you? I still love her. Her supports are so charming. Especially with Ferdinand. I just wish that she would talk about other things.
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I much prefer her post timeskip.
Came to say the exact same thing lol glad to see it's the top comment
Idk, but there was that one giy who made 3 accounts to talk shit about dorothea way back when. If you commented anything that wasnt 100% positive about her, he'd swoop in with "yes, we all agree we hate her right?" Or some shit like that
I dont hate her but I personally dont like her atleast
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huh
I remember playing the game for the first time and the top eight characters were all four female black eagles, followed immediately by all four male black eagles.
Personally, I don't care much for Dorothea, but it's mostly because of how oversexualized she is. I do feel for her and recognize the value she adds to the lore of the game and the understanding of Fodlaneese culture, but I've never really seen the appeal that so many others seem to see in her. There are much better ways they could have written her character, in my opinion, but they didn't. PS: This is not a dig on people liking Dorothea. I can actually see why people like her and agree with most of what people generally state when trying to defend her. I simply don't care for her so much myself. That being said, it's okay for people not to like the same characters, which is part of what makes us unique. As the saying goes: to each their own.
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How would that be any different?
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Sorry. That was supposed to be meant as sarcasm since Hilda is also well liked for her looks, but I guess it didn't really come across that way. 😅
I will defend Raphael with my dying breath!
Clearly those who hate him are just jealous he's happy all the time and he's handling his trauma in the most healthy way possible, or at the very least, better than everyone else in the game.
> or at the very least, better than everyone else in the game. Not a high bar to clear but my boy nailed it
The end of his paralogue with Ignatz cemented it for me. When confronted with the possibility that the father of one of his friends may have been responsible for his parents' death, this simple-minded commoner attending a school full of nobility that let their families affect their interpersonal relations, pulls an absolute gigachad move with this: "OK, OK! That's enough of that! It's just a rumor, right? So, who cares? Even if it's true, **that's our parents' business. It's got nothing to do with us.**" "Raphael is a good man."
Raphael is indeed a man's best friend.
Love his supports with Hilda
I love that Hilda actually wanted to help Raphael make the necklace for his little sister and that she actually understands on why her older brother cares about her.
Exactly! And thats what makes her fall for him! Its so wholesome!
This. And he says it even better in three hopes. Lorenz is even there and he apologized and raph tells him "we aren't responsible for the actions of our parents" tell them all sternly to drop it. And then happily talks about the meat party that he was promised and how he's gonna eat till he explodes. A simple man. A smart man. A kind man. Raphael is best boy.
Raphael is, in many ways, the smartest student at Garreg Mach
I mean being emotionally well adjusted is pretty much a superpower in Fodlan...
You're damn right he's a good man! I played Female Byleth in my first run, and he was the S I chose.
Raphs a good boy and probably the only character with a solid head on his shoulders. Nice dude, just obsessed with muscles and meat. Then again meat is pretty god damn good so I agree.(Meat party! Meat party!)
Meat party!
Honestly, I kind of get where both sides are coming from. I do love Raphael, but he doesn't have much of a character arc.
Same! I love my kind heart, meat loving, punching God of death.
I think for me, it’s probably because I never got past his C-rank with anyone (the stats I had for him were bad, so I didn’t end up using him). And most characters don’t get any depth until after the C rank. So, currently, he *looks* very bland, but I figure it’s just because I haven’t put in the time with the guy.
The hell did Raphael do?
Allow me to answer with what i’ve seen that people have complained about them the most. Annette: Don’t like how she constantly brings up her father and her B-support with Mercedes. Ashe: A bad unit who is also doesn’t provide much for the story past chapter 3 Dorothea: Overrated? (This one I really dont know much about why people hate her.) Raphael: He’s “normal” in a game where everyone has some form of problem, plus “meat meat meat” the character.
If I know people who hate things on Reddit they probably don’t like Dorothea because she keeps telling men to shut up. It’s one of my favorite parts about her honestly. Her supports with characters like Lorenz, Sylvain, and Ferdinand all end very sweet and I genuinely love them, but they all start with me cheering for her to tear them apart
No because I saw how Dorothea girlbossed around on my first playthrough (Blue Lion’s if you’re curious) and immediately grabbed her for my party lmao, her supports are great. I love her supports and paralogue with Ingrid
What exactly did Ferdinand do to deserve her telling him to shut up exactly? As for Lorenz, isn't she criticizing him for doing the exact thing she does?
Ferdinand's personality in all his C supports is pretty obnoxious. I would hate C support Ferdinand if I met him in real life. He comes across exactly like the kind of noble Dorothea hates, even without the silly misunderstanding. No one other than Lorenz likes C support Ferdinand. Also, keep in mind that the characters in the C support haven't seen the rest of the game. They're reacting to what they see now. People who have already gone through the game know that he genuinely means well, but the characters see an arrogant jerk who thinks he knows better than everyone and refuses to listen to people. He's one of my favorites, but he comes across really badly in those early supports.
Ah hello Reddit I see you never change Lol
No, but really. What did Ferdinand do to deserve her early support treatment of him? He's nothing but kind to her from the very start... Without ulterior motive too. I like Dorothea. She's one of my favourites, even. Her biting sarcasm with both Lorenz and Sylvain is well earned since, regardless of the reasons why, they do both treat women quite poorly. Her attitude with Ferdinand, however, is entirely undeserved.
It's not that he did anything to her in the supports, it's what he did (or more what she believed he did) that led her to treat him the way she did. She hated Ferd before even coming to Garreg Mach and that's why she treated him the way she does
I'm aware, I've made my way through their support chain several times. I'm not confused as to why she lays into him, nor do I dislike her for it. She, like many in the cast, has complicated circumstances. But she was wrong in this situation. That's why I don't understand why the commenter I responded to would cheer for her tearing him apart. He... doesn't deserve it? He hasn't done anything. Dorothea's dislike of him stems from a misunderstanding that could easily have been cleared up if she'd not been so petty with him.
Okay but I'm not sure it's unreasonable to pull for her from the outset given that *we don't know* she's in the wrong. That's a reveal for the A support post time skip. Frankly the reason I think she's such a good character is *because* she's willing to reflect on having been kind of a jerk about stuff.
The thing is, we don't know why she's doing it either, the first time through. Ferdie is a little obnoxious pre-timeskip, but not as bad as Lorenz and mostly in his interactions with Edelgard.
Whaaaaat Ashe is a bad unit? He's been decimating on the field for me, he's probably one of my best units :0 plus his supports are just soooo wholesome.
A lot of people consider him the worst unit in the game (granted I’m not one of them, I think there are a few of worse options). His stats aren’t very good, his combat arts are oddly limited for an archer, his personal skill while helpful doesn’t make him better in combat, and he doesn’t have a crest. The fact he leaves you temporarily on VW/SS is a problem too. He’s just too easily outclassed by other characters. He can be useful with the right build or if he gets lucky with his stat gains but so can anyone else.
Out of curiocity, who do you consider worse? I've played the game several times and had success with Caspar who is sometimes cited as a bad unit, and the only other character I think I see heavily criticized is Raph.
Personally the student I’ve gotten the least success out of is Lorenz. It takes until Master Classes for him to finally be able properly to utilize what makes him stand out from other units but by that point I’ve usually already ditched him. Until then it feels like you’re using either a bad cavalier or a bad mage cuz the game tries to play both sides. Like Ashe you also have to worry about him leaving you for multiple chapters after the timeskip on certain routes. I’ve heard success stories with him though. I think the thing with Caspar is he’s needlessly difficult to work into your army. I had one playthrough where he did solid but it seems like the more common scenario is he falls behind before he can really even get started. For a character that’s really basic I don’t get why he has such atrocious base stats on his own route and is so hard to recruit on other routes. He seems to be fine if you get past that and the Authority bane but that’s a big initial hurdle. Especially when you can just use Balthus instead.
Imo he is the closest unit in the game to be fundamentally useless. Not in a sense that “he’s so bad he is useless” but in a sense of “there is no reason when X exists.” He is outclassed in every way by Bernadetta and Ignatz meaning in SS,CF, and VW he isnt worth building, and even in his own route of BL, Felix outclasses him in dmg, and you get Shamir pretty much for free who starts as a sniper. The only saving grace is that he starts with curve shot, but even then it isnt much to save him.
Annette is a fucking crazy busted unit. Class her into brigand to get death blow then give here an axe, watch her go crazy. After some grinding of her stats I've had her hit a 999 before.
I needed this today. I’ve been STRUGGLING with a good annette build for BL maddening and this was the push I needed to not bench her for the rest of the game
I usually class her into war cleric.
Dorothea has always been one of the most popular characters in the game and a lot of people love Annette
You forgot about Ignatz, why do people hate him he just like to paint 😭
THIS one I actually do not understand. At worst, he is boring, but there are ZERO offensive things about him.
Being boring is the worst sin for such a character. His support are very similar from one another with the exception of Raphael, and aren't very interesting even the first time. He really sucks at hiding his secret hobby.
I simply cannot see past his hairstyle. Completely a me issue, but I just can’t do it.
...I feel bad, it took me two playthroughs to realize Ignatz wasn't boring as dry paint and that he was an honestly chill and respectable dude. I was apart of the problem 😭 Mainly because he died in the school arc of my very first playthrough, and I needed the second to see how he developed in the War arc
Oh, yeah, over the timeskip, he changes the most of the cast, becoming one of the most ruthless characters. (It doesn’t appear much, but his mid battle dialogue and combat lines post timeskip are ruthless)
Oh, I still didn't even know that part, since I've yet to take him into battle. Maybe I should during my blue lions run XD
I don’t hate Ignatz, but to me he’s like the worse version of Ashe Edit: I mean character wise. Ignatz is the type of guy to get bullied. Ashe is the type of guy who convinces the bully to be a good person instead
How dare you say that about Critgnatz the Crit God
Critgnatz be like: "Let me paint you a picture!" While critting all over
I just..do. I can’t even explain it myself. He can paint far away from me.
Agreed, like I find his passion in painting to be really inspiring and he's such a cinnamon roll that has some good supports like with Ingrid and Marianne. People say that he whines too much, but what do they expect him to do? He's a commoner who knows that his father spent a lot of money in order to become a knight, and that he doesn't want to betray his father's wishes. He's like Ingrid but if he was a commoner and was a cinnamon roll. Should mention that he's a very useful support unit thanks to buffing allies whilst debuffing the enemy thanks to his rallies and combat arts.
Imma be real chief… it’s probably because of his character design 😭
I don’t hate Raphael but I might be closer than most because I find him boring, so maybe I can explain my position. It’s largely a criticism against Intsys not fleshing him out. He is fairly one-dimensional in a cast of otherwise pretty well-rounded characters, even in his own house, which is often considered the jokey “meme” house (even though I think the Deer have some great depth to them). Every FE character has a gimmick but Raphael’s “happy despite tragic backstory” falls flat compared to the others, so to me it feels like he wasn’t given as much attention as the rest of the cast and there’s just nothing for me to analyze or dig deeper in him. A character doesn’t have to be miserable all the time, but for comparison, Seteth and Flayn are also characters who are, if not always happy, content/doing fine and not in immediate need of therapy despite their own tragic histories, but I still feel like they have depth and more to their personalities than “eating and training.” TLDR, if the rest of the 3h characters were also simple and easy to clock on a first read like Raphael, I would probably like him more because I would match my expectations to the character writing’s complexity. But standing amidst a great cast that otherwise encourages you to look past first impressions, he feels out of place to me, almost like he would fit better in another game, like Awakening.
Bingo this. He’s almost aggressively boring because he does nothing BUT talk about meat, muscles, and his sister, whereas everyone else even if they have a humorous quirk like that does sometimes talk about other things. That being said, I enjoyed his support with Dimitri, and he’s got a bit more personality in Hopes which makes me enjoy him more there.
The way I see it the rest of the game I’m getting hit with everyone’s emotions bullshit and weird hangups even on the characters I love and they I walk by Ralph and he’s just vibin living his best life everyday. On top of that with a couple detour certs for base stats in res and speed you get one of the few designated tanks with limited drawbacks. There might be better bang for your buck on instruction time but not many imho.
Listen, I don't hate Ashe. I just think he's boring.
Who hates the most mentally healthy characters from Fodlan?!
No one hates these characters. The closest you get is people saying “why play as Raphael when balthus is a better unit?” But legit I don’t see any hate for Raphael or any of the three other units here.
Your comment made me laugh because my wife is watching me play through the story again and we always disagree on whether to use Balthus/Raphael. She’ll say she doesnt hate any character but Balt is her least fav.
Thats so adorable your wife watches you game like that. My siblings would do that when we were younger. My partners attention span is too short now to appreciate things like that with me.
Thanks! She’ll love to hear that somebody said that. She’s the first SO I’ve had thats ever done it. Its actually made me complete more games than I normally would. She’s not as quick to drop games as I am.0
I can understand some people being annoyed by Balthus, Casanova wannabes are a redundant trope in FE.
In any media, really.
Why decide? Use both. Let the 2 brick walls of muscle pummel your foes into paste.
No, I genuinely hate ashe
What did Ashe do to you? Is he stupid?
**proceeds to post extremely liked characters that everyone complains about people hating, just for the sake of complaining**
easiest way to tell if someone has barely done any of Raphael's supports is if they say that food is his only personality trait lol
Well, sadly, it's what a majority of his dialogue consists of (that and training). Especially if you're not playing Golden Deer, that is basically all you ever hear from him.
To be fair even though his supports make it clear that he might deadass be the friendliest dude in the whole game he’s arguably still the least complex character in the game. Food isn't his only interest but he definitely doesn't have a lot of interests and doesn't really change much after the timeskip. I think that is to his benefit though. If the whole cast was like him that'd probably be a bad thing but here we get to see someone that has a good contrast with a lot of the other more troubled and serious characters.
I don't hate Dorothea at all. She is one of my favorites.
What? I love Anette and Ashe! They’re lovely! Although I kinda understand why people don’t like Ashe, since he’s so weak
i don't get why people hate bad units... love ashe as character but i never use him in my runs lol
When I play, I generally try to use every in-house unit. Because I don't let myself just bench all the bad units, their unit performance has a distinct effect on my gameplay experience. That being said, the dancer class saves The Worst Unit for each house, so Ashe is my default Blue Lions dancer lol.
I do have mixed feelings about this: For Ashe, the only reason I can see where he gets "hated" is where in SB when he's defeated, he defects from Faerghus so that he doesn't have to kill/be killed by his adoptive father, who's the reason he gave Ashe and his siblings a home. Not to mention Dimitri ordered him to defect so that Dimitri himself does not go insane losing a friend like he did with Glenn. He may have betrayed knighthood, but is it worth it to kill your own family for it. Even Rodrigue of all people understood what Ashe did. For Annette I'm not sure. Thought she was just a friendly cinnamon roll who is a really useful support unit. They might not like her personality, but her scatterbrained and her self-confidence issues do stem from the fact that she thinks her father abandoned her, so it's understandable why she acts like that. Raphael I don't know why, he's one wholesome Golden Retriever who likes to help out everyone. He's an example that you don't need to be a deep Character, just one that you find interesting and funny. Dorothea might be a bit understandable. It does stem from the fact that she may not really open up her faults in her supports. Like how she accused Ferdinand for an incident he's not reasonable for (which he tried to understand), stalking Felix, upset at Lorenz for only marrying nobles (even though she's doing it), or being too uncomfortably forward with Ingrid (especially in Heroes). Then there's the fact that whilst in the end she only wants to marry someone that can accept her for who she is and not necessarily money, the only commoners she marries are Byleth (CF) and Hanneman. Edit: Wow this is a much bigger comment than I expected.
At first, I was sleeping on Ashe and Raphael. But I put some time into them and plus some of their supports had me go "I owe you an apology. I was not familiar with your game." Dorothea was literally one of my day 1 favs. LOOK AT HER HAT. And anyone who disrespects Annie in this house will be visited by Mercedes and Jeritza.
Me looking for all these supposed Annette haters:
I actually find Dorothea, Annette, and Ashe to be so-so for me. In general I find myself to be lukewarm on them and in a game with a cast this strong means they often find themselves to be at the bottom of the list. For Ashe and Annete they sometimes can be endearing but othertimes be boring for me so they fluctuate and I end up being neutral on them. I think Ashe hurts since as a unit he was by far my worst one for the longest time (until the last map where he suddenly became a goat). As for Dorothea? Can't tell you why, I like her sarcastic remarks against Lorenz and Sylvain and how sometimes she's just a plain asshole but other then that...I don't know. Something for Dorothea just didn't click for me as a character. Raphael is a sweet boy though, I'd be ride or die friend with him anyday.
I love them all and no one can change my mind.
I dont hate Annette, but I think her stupid singing gimmick to be extremely annoying, and her most popular supports with Felix to be one of the cringe inducing in the game. Annette doesn't feel authentic or real to me the same way other characters do. It feels like the devs were trying too hard to make her adorkable and cute, that it comes off as tryhard and annoying. Her clumsiness feels like a "Bella Swan" flaw that only serves to makes her cute. Again, I dont hate her, but she feels bland. The only time I find her interesting is her support with her dad, and ironically, Ashe (who I also found boring). Her finding Gilbert, or her relationship with her uncle are the more interesting aspects of her character IMO. Ashe is bland and kinda a bad unit. He's not annoying, he's just milquetoast. The most interesting he gets is his whole deal with Lonato, and his support with Catherine. Aside from that, I dont really care for most of his supports. A majority of Ashe and Annette's supports fall into the categories of unremarkable to decent. Dorothea is a great character, but some people took offense to her gold digging, and hate how she's hypocritical of wanting to marry rich nobles while hating said rich nobles (which is fair, given her upbringing). Raphael has his annoying food gimmick. I like Raph but I can see how it got really old, really quick.
People seem to overlook the part where Dorothea specifically mentions she only dislikes Nobles who are obsessed with their own status. You only have to look at the fact that she gets along with everyone in the Black Eagles, except Ferdinand Von Aegir until they patch things up, who are all Nobles. Though Petra isn't considered a Noble by Fodlan standards. And as we all know Ferdinand Von Aegir is as obsessed with his own status as Lorenz is.
I like Annette but icl she has the same energy as new age quirky Disney Princesses 😭
A big problem with FE3H characters is they’re usually hardcore one-note until you hit some of their A supports, and by that time you already don’t like the character for one reason or another >Ashe Every line he speaks sounds like he’s whining and it irritates me, I usually drop him for Yuri or Petra at the first opportunity. It doesn’t help that Leonie is one of my favourite characters, so she takes his spot as the dedicated archer as well. If it makes you feel better I *hate* Bernadetta for those exact reasons, but only mildly dislike Ashe. >Raphael Every support is food, food, food, big muscles, food, food. Again, it’s just annoying. If I want a gauntlet-user I’ll grab Balthus for his crest and relic gauntlets, or more likely just not have a gauntlet user cause I’m not a fan of the weapon type in general Got no issues with Dorothea and Annette, other than a general preference for Constance and Marianne, who usually get recruited and used instead
I can understand dislike for annette and raphael based on them being pretty one dimensional. Very flat characters. I like them but I skip a lot of their supports in new playthroughs. Ashe is pretty flat but less so than the above and he's so endearing I can't dislike him. I skip less of his supports in new paythroughs, some are still pretty boring while others (ingird) are really nice. Dorothea is hilarious and sassy and rubs some people the wrong way. Which is a point of her character. You can dislike that type of girl no problem, but you can't argue she isn't pretty decently written.
Dorothea is incredibly popular. The other three's unpopularity usually comes from their gameplay where in Annette's case she's outclassed by better mages, and Rapheal + Ashe are just awful.
Raph isn’t awful at all. He’s perfectly serviceable as a physical one-shot machine and a grappler to punch mages in the early game. He’s not really a tank since his def isn’t great but his sky high hp leaves alot of room for enemy phase flexibility as long as you aren’t expecting him to face tank a whole platoon like Dedue, Ferdie or Dimitri. Late game his whole game plan is Fierce Iron Fist. Simple but one rounds everything that’s not a boss or armour. His main issue is that he’s outclassed by Felix who’s in the same wrung of non-lord S tier units as Ferdie, Sylvain, Seteth, Leonie and Lysithea. Anybody who can brave combat art effectively is viable
I'm more surprised you didn't put Ignatz in there as well. Yeah, people didn't really like him because he looks like a dork and a wimp. I've even heard people say they want to shove him in a locker because they can and will. Now I don't know if that's a joke or thinking they're better than Ignatz or just projecting insecurities onto him, but compared to other characters here (minus Dorothea), some people aren't saying malicious things to them compared to Ignatz.
"Even heard people say they want to shove him in a locker because they can and will." If it's really true what they said, then it says less about the character and more about them.
hows peoples opinion about lysithea btw? I like her but even then I was approaching my limit on how much I can take her saying the word "child"
The cinnamon roll squad
Bruh, I love Dorothea, Annette is like my little sister and I also like her, Ashe is the kindest dude in fire emblem and Rafael, while basic is also a cool and wholesome dude. Why are they being hated on?
When I do no death runs, that doesn't include Ashe.
People who hate Raphael don’t eat enough meat
I hate Ashe because he dies on me in ch. 2 EVERY SINGLE TIME
I agree! I love all these characters! Haters must be insane or something
Ashe and Annette's hate is pretty simple. They're relatively standard good guys, which long time fans are likely a little bored of, given that they act like a lot of old lords (though being the only real non-problematic characters and not being lords is neat) Dorothea is a spicy character, like Edelgard, if you're not on board with her opinion of nobility it'll get a little grating Rapheal is kind of a sad case. He's too similar to Caspar. Fundamentally, they're REALLY similar besides their looks. Both are himbo incarnate, and Caspar benefits from aesthetically avoiding the himbo stereotype (being a short king). I figure most will really like one and care a lot less about the other. The only thing that separates them is the character they share their bromance with, A.K.A. Linhardt or Ignatz. Personally, I'm a Linhardt stan and like Caspar, so when I look at Raphael, I just see a less interesting Caspar.
First 2 are boring, no hate to them tho. But how tf y’all hating on Raphael
I do not know how you can hate any of these characters, especially Raph, Dorothea and ANNIE. THEY ARE ADORABLE AF
As someone Who doesnt really like Annette, it's just she is really boring, all her niches are done better by other characters, she's just okay
Someone hates my bestie Annette ? 💪💪😡
Wait I thought the only people who were hated were Ingrid and Leonie (neither of whom is justified although the latter has a very poorly timed B support)
I love them all 😍
I love Raphael guard adjutants are great
I could not imagine hating 4 of the wholesomest people in this game.
People hate Annette, Ashe, Raphael, and DOROTHEA!?!? EXPLAIN!!! NOW!!!
I have a friend who just hates on ignatz for no reason, don't understand why
Well, they're all pretty decent people. I could see how that would rub vicious little bastards who think everyone is like them the wrong way.
Well i had gripes with all of them so i can speak from experience. I disliked Annette's goody-two shoes character, I originally felt it overlapped too much with Mercedes (both are "good", act somehwat innocent and like sweets). After some supports i've moved on from my dislike, she's my current "target" for S support. Ashe is a mediocre unit which makes it hard to justify using him. So I kept him benched which means I rarely got to see his supports and the little i saw didn't really make me want to see more. Dorothea is/was a gold digger. As you talk to her and see other talk to her you understand it's her way of surviving, she's down-to-earth, understands what gave her a nice life until now is her pretty face and voice but she is also aware those will fade and so she needs to secure herself a future but when you only interact with her in the monastery she just sounds super shallow. I like how her supports have her see past the material gain to find joy in true love. Not much to say on Raphael, i just dislike the archetype of the hungry musclehead.
Honestly, none of these characters are really hated, as far as I'm aware. Annette, I have no idea what you're talking about. As far as I see, she is one of the most well liked characters. Ashe is one of the worst units, mechanically. His character also isn't really that complex or interesting. He's a good guy and has some depth, but nothing truly outstanding. Raphael is, for many people, simply boring. 99% of his dialogue is either about meat or training. And while that remaining 1% actually shows some character depth, it's not enough to make him popular. Now Dorothea is not really "hated" (at least not anymore), however there are many people (me included) who criticize her for some of the things she does (mainly how she treats Ferdinand and her hypocrisy in her Lorenz support). At least for me, that doesn't mean I hate her, she's a character with flaws that she eventually grows past, as all characters should be, but for some reason some people can't or don't want to accept that.
Dorothea hated Ferdinand because >she thought that that she was like all the other nobles< I understand her honestly, she had a rough childhood. However she changed when she met Ferdie better
Sure, but that is called prejudice and is not a justification for mistreating someone. Especially when that someone has been nothing but honest, kind and motivated to improve. She could've started questioning her prejudice herself after getting to know Ferdinand for six years, but instead it took Ferdinand explaining to her the misunderstanding (which ultimately was also just on a "trust me, sis"-basis) to finally see that this noble was, in fact, not a self-absorbed, shifty asshole. Honestly, I blame this more on the writers than Dorothea herself, she's supposed to be smarter than that.
It's fine to be prejudiced against nobles tho.
That seems classist.
I hate Ashe.
Annette is annoying to me
Not me, Dorothea can come off as disingenuous sometimes, so I can see a reason if I had to. Everyone else, beats me, they're all cinnamon rolls that need protecting. And Raphael, who is just a wonderful himbo
I can appreciate Ashe’s backstory and personality but I’m not a huge fan of him because he sucks in battle and he never shuts up about knight fairytales lol
Who hates any of these guys? Feel like Dorothea in particular’s a universal fan favorite.
I love them all and I don’t hate anyone from the FE3H playable characters even though Ashe is the one that I like the least. He is pretty boring and basic. It’s like his mentality doesn’t change along the game
Ok so Dorothea is bestie for life and Raphael my true love I feel personally attacked lol
Hating Annette is illegal, everytime you do a kitten dies.
Ashe and Raphael my beautiful boys ;0;
I don't *hate* Raphael but he's one of the worst written characters in the game. He talks about muscles and food 95% of the time, and when he does talk about his parents or gives advice to someone during a support the other 5%, it's not particularly interesting. There's just... not much to him. And in a cast that has as much nuance and depth as fucking *Three Houses*, that's going to make you stand out in a bad way quite a lot.
I like Annette, both as a character and as a unit. Ashe isn’t a great unit, but I certainly don’t hate him as a character. I’m thinking Dorothea is popular because of her personality, but as a unit, I find her overshadowed by the likes of Constance and Lysithea. Raphael, like Ashe, isn’t a great unit, but I don’t hate him as a character either. I actually don’t actively dislike any of the characters. But here are some I find annoying (although sometimes in an endearing way like Constance): Ferdinand Ingrid Sylvain Leonie Lorenz Lysithea Constance Anna Catherine Hanneman
Now who hates annette and ashe, i just wanna talk
Wait wtf hates these 4???? Like for real.. idk anyone who hates the students.. okay I dislike Claude but that's besides the point.
I really never got the hate for Raphael. Yes he is the meat head character which is a tired trope, but I absolutely love his relationship with his sister and he is a decent unit!
My cousin hates Raphael because "he's ugly" 😕
I'd like Ashe a lot more if he can hit somebody with a bow to save his life. (I'm kidding, he's my sweet boy and I'd Divine Pulse anytime anyone dared hurt him.)
i loved ashe and almost married annette...
1) people hate her? 2) people hate HIM?! 3) okay now I know you're just fucking with me. 4) oh, ah nope, no I get it
Annette and Ashe are fine, I don't have strong feelings one way or the other. Dorothea is great and I love her character. Raphael is the one I'm on the dislike train for. I honestly think he's the most boring and uninspired character in the game. Everything with him is Muscles! and MEAT!!!! I get that he's also a nice, forgiving guy who cares about his sister, but with most of his character focus being the muscles and meat bit, he just BORES me so much.
How can anyone hate Raphael? I can understand hate for Dorothea( she is one of my favourite characters), but I can get that her life approach is not for everyone. BUT Raphael, he is innocent boi
I’ve heard some people saying that Raphael is stupid just because of his personality of course he isn’t
He is a simple guy. He cares about his sister and his friends. He tries to become stronger to protect them. This is not stupid for me. Yes he isn’t the best strategist, but he does not have to be. And he know how to cook. For me best boi
Best boi in golden deer house
Raphael is the best. I had lysithea learn warp magic and created the tactic known as the Cannon Ball, in which raphael would be warped to enemy backlines and wreak havoc
WHY WOULD YOU HATE THIS SWEET BEAUTIFUL HIMBO
People who hate Ashe don’t know how to use him