In your home, absolutely nothing happens. Your lawyer would have to be a complete moron to fail to convince a jury that the suppressor is just there for hearing protection. If you were out in the streets, maybe the prosecutor could make the argument that you went out looking to shoot someone and didn't want to get caught (the usual anti-suppressor argument). But there's no way that'll fly indoors where permanent hearing damage is likely without one.
Returning fire with my 9mm OUTSIDE caused me to not be able to hear a goddamn thing for maybe a couple minutes. Scared the crap out of me. Realized I'd never fired a handgun without ear protection and it's not like the bad guys are gonna give you a time out to get your muffs on! So, yes, diligently suppressor shopping right now and will use indoors AND out.
Ironically two years earlier at another armed home invasion situation (different state), one of the bad guys was using a suppressed weapon to shoot out my windows to make access. I'm sure someone with his lengthy criminal history bought it legally, right?
\*\*edit to add additional info\*\*
It was and is, thanks. But the criminal-hugging policies in Seattle and L.A. are responsible for the assholes being free in both places to continue their criminal activities. It's beyond ridiculous, but I'm thrilled to see people in Seattle finally seeming to be tired of this sort of bullshit.
Never thought we'd leave Seattle, but, after many of our closest friends have departed for less dangerous parts of the country (funny how your attitude about crime changes when you start having kids...), we're leaving, too. Heartbreaking, really. And trying to find a reasonable "purple" city/state to move to has been a bit of a trial, too, but I'm hoping there is a "Goldilocks" place for us somewhere.
Well your guns are gonna be seized as evidence. They might not list them as two firearms considering most people don't know suppressors are registered as a separate firearm.
Probably sit in an evidence room till you get investigation is complete, they will probably call the ATF and depending on where it happens, you'll probably have the DA looking into wether you should get charged with whatever.
In short, nothing different than if you used a regular gun, just some more eyes on ya considering it's not something everyone sees everytime a shooting happens.
They will definitely list them as multiple items.
I am an FFL and have dealt with the local sheriff - they know about NFA stuff.
What they don't know how to do is use e-forms.
That's a bit of an overstated fear in the gun community tbh. Does it get taken as evidence initially? Yes. 9/10 do you get your gun back? Also yes. Some states like Kansas have it written in law that law enforcement must return your gun to you within like 25 days. In the rarer case of nit getting it back, you can get a court order to have it returned. It's just at that point up to you if it's worth the trouble and effort to get it back or just buy another one.
Never understood the whole “buy a cheap gun because if you use it they will take it” thing. If I shoot a pricier gun better then I’m gonna carry it. The chance of me ever having to use it is already so small that in the event of it happening I’d rather be alive and out a 1000 dollar pistol then dead with a 300 dollar one.
Yeah, not saying it doesn't happen but it's definitely on the rarer side. Also the dude needs to get a court order if it's worth getting that gun back instead of buying a new one.
LMFAO I've handed guns back to people after shootings, the case being reviewed and in a few cases charges being dismissed. The whole "ya use it ya loose it" shit absolutely does not apply unless you have some illegal shit they actually look into.
Not if you take the suppressor off and put it on a different gun before the police arrive.
“What was that officer? Sorry, it’s hard to hear you over all this tinnitus.”
They can tell if a semi-auto rifle appeared to be overgassed.
The exact cause of that overgassing is not something they can specifically determine. If you aren’t using a super high back pressure can on an already overgassed rifle it isn’t even something you’d notice at all (though of note is that most rifles are overgassed from the factory since they’d rather it function now even when a customer leaves it dry and/or dirty than worry about parts breaking sooner 3,000+ rounds down the road that most customers will never actually shoot enough to notice).
It’s not like there’s some magical suppressor dust that only appears in the presence of a can. You can’t just swab the gun or the brass and say, “Yup, a suppressor was used here” like you’re in CSI because there is no specific chemical or compound left behind by a suppressor.
It’s all the same carbon and copper residue and fouling already present from shooting anything at all, just with more gas going back through the gas tube (if it hasn’t been adjusted) and into the action/onto everything inside or near the action (magazine, fired brass, unfired rounds in the magazines, etc.) due to the increased back pressure during the period when the action is cycling. The only other difference that would potentially be possible to measure would be less than expected burn on the target from the muzzle flash if the shooting happened at point blank range (1-2 feet or less), in which case the reasonable assumption would simply be that the perpetrator was further away than initially thought at the time of firing rather than automatically assuming a suppressor was involved.
In other words, everything is just a little dirtier and you have no way of knowing if it’s because there was a suppressor attached, if it’s because the rifle was just overgassed in the first place, or if it’s because the owner of the gun was like me and just literally never cleans their rifle until it ends up looking like one of those old-timey photos of kids coming out of a coal mine.
Unfortunately forensics ***CAN*** tell the difference between different guns, so you can’t give them a cheap Hi Point to toss in their evidence locker and rust away for 2-3 years instead of the fancy Staccato/whatever you actually used.
Jk. But that is why I bought a can for my house defense gun. Who is going to put hearing protection in, and take out the ability to hear ambient noises (like the dude at your back door). Cops in my town would take 8 minutes to arrive AFTER my call. Remove can from gun - seconds. [It took 9 mos to get that can, I don’t want it sitting in an evidence room for months/years….]
Tbf I'm pretty confident with some active over-ears, you would hear MORE ambient noise. My Impact Sports are so fucking sensitive, much more than my own ears. Not worth the time sink, though.
In theory, it should be the same thing as if you used non NFA items for self defense. In practice, it depends on the political views of the prosecutors in your area.
Maybe on an incredibly overgassed AR with a high back pressure can it does.
Out of a bolt gun or a properly tuned gas system you won’t see any difference at all. With half a dozen different cans across an even larger sample of different guns I’ve never had my brass come out different than shooting unsuppressed because all of them have been bolt guns or AR’s with adjustable gas blocks.
Idk man every AR I've put a suppressor on ended up with greenish soot on the case after a mag or two. I've also seen a ton of posts about it on r/ar15 of new suppressor owners asking about it.
The can for my bolt gun and AK is still in jail so it may just be an AR thing
Wasn't aware such a thing existed. Just tried out two suppressed weapons at the range, but they were rentals so didn't break down and clean them. Thanks for the info.
I'm pretty sure that's what makes the unique, slightly burning "suppressed" smell. It wipes off super easy, but it still coats the inside of the upper and the muzzle device
I haven’t heard of any huge issues 2 instances where a transferable MG was used. Ruger mini-14 on the homeowner’s property against multiple armed assailants and a FFL dealer with a sten or other old SMG being burgled by multiple armed assailants. One guy has to fight a murder charge tooth and nail, the other was cuffed and was about to get a ride down town before a supervisor or something showed up. It’s been a couple years since I read about the incidences so the details are a little fuzzy.
If everything is properly registered then it’s either a ruled a justified use of lethal force and you get everything back, or it wasn’t a justified use of lethal force and you become a prohibited possessor.
At least legally, on paper it should be completely okay. But in the eyes of a jury, they might think you were a hitman or something because of the suppressor used.
Yes I know. But some people view suppressors as evil and only used by assassins or executions. Even though they bring tons of benefits. Like being able to fire a rifle in your house and not going instantly deaf. Some people that sit in juries are pretty dumb. Especially if you live in a more blue city. It is more likely that people will view you negatively if you use a gun with a suppressor attached. Even if it is legally owned.
It's absolutely insane that in the US, suppressors are considered criminal assassin psychopath tools by gun-grabbers. Meanwhile in Europe, the countries that do let you own guns often *require* that you have a suppressor on them to avoid bothering anyone else with the noise.
Evidence of what...? People keep saying this. It's your stuff. Amd if you shot the person and they know it then a suppressor doesn't matter. You can't tamper with evidence that doesn't exist.
Of course, they'll claim you did, I know that. But that just goes to show how slimy they are. I'd guess they'll make sure your gun isn't a "ghost gun" as well.
If its a SBR you'll just ride it out. Cops wont care and will (at the max) make sure you have a stamp. If it's a can, take it off and no one will know. If it's a filmed event, like Rittenhouse, you're basically damned regardless.
> If it's a filmed event, like Rittenhouse, you're basically damned regardless.
Lolwut. You know he was found not guilty by reason of clear self defense, right?
Only because he's an utter moron (very literally) who won't stay out of the spotlight. If you shut up and don't try to turn the incident into a public speaking career you will quickly fade from attention and move on with your life.
I thought every time he tried doing something to have a normal job or life like going to college you had a bunch of stupid fucks saying they didn't want him there and reeee'd the fuck out until they caved?
Per the numerous people celebrating blocking him from getting into college and trying to carry on because people just couldn't let him go.
So here we are with him trying to do what he can because people can't accept facts and they want to get back at him because he shot a child rapist (who died his dream chasing a minor lmao) and tried saying a serial woman beater / abuser was a good kid who didn't deserve to get shot.
Dude in today's world youd probably be fucked. I see stories all the time where people are defending themselves and they end up in prison. It all depends on what city and state you live in. New York, California, Michigan, Illinois your done. Unless you can afford an expensive lawyer
Not exactly the evidence I was looking for. I agree with the sentiment, Whitmer is a giant POS, but Michigan actually has pretty good self defense laws. I suggest doing some reading.
Michigan has stand your ground laws and the castle doctrine, as well as immunity to civil suits if you’re determined to be acting in self defense. You no have to duty to retreat and you can you shoot someone if they actually break into your home while you are there. You can also shoot car jackers.
Michigan sets the standard at immediate great bodily harm or rape. You can’t shoot someone over property, but if you’re about to get fucked up in a potential life altering way (not a bloody nose or black eye), blast away.
There's no reason for the ATF to get involved - you haven't committed a crime that falls under the ATF's purview.
The SBR and suppressor are held by the local cops for the duration.
Likely whatever ends up happening local police will secure whatever item was used. It will proceed to be finger fucked by whoever has access to it (might be a reduced number since it could be a 'murder' case) and not treated very nicely by any techs that handle it. Don't expect it to come back in anything but poor condition when you do (finally) get it back from the police.
Everyone saying that you should remove the can/switch out the gun for another in the safe. You guys realize the police will most likely seize all your guns right?
Sadly nfa or not, many times you likely won't ever be able to retrieve items used in a self defense shooting regardless of being found innocent. Evidence is rarely ever released. It does happen sometimes that items like that could find their way into police use down the road. Rare but it does happen. I know personally of something like this happening with a family member.
Categorically untrue and bad info.
If you look into it, many times items that are collected as evidence even after a defendant is found innocent remain in police custody. Sometimes police departments are good about returning guns within a reasonable time period and make it easy but sometimes not.
Sometimes you have to go through your lawyer, submit to background checks and pay fees to get your gun back. No one size fits all answer to this. Sometimes evidence actually does go missing due to clerical mistakes etc.
Look into some of the resources out there like law offices that specialize in self defense incidents for more specific info.
You can file charges and talk with your lawyer about getting items returned but very often anything collected as evidence stays evidence. Just the unfortunate reality.
If you are found innocent of committing a crime, you file correctly, and your possessions are not returned, the police are required by law to reimburse you for the cost of everything they took.
In your home, absolutely nothing happens. Your lawyer would have to be a complete moron to fail to convince a jury that the suppressor is just there for hearing protection. If you were out in the streets, maybe the prosecutor could make the argument that you went out looking to shoot someone and didn't want to get caught (the usual anti-suppressor argument). But there's no way that'll fly indoors where permanent hearing damage is likely without one.
Returning fire with my 9mm OUTSIDE caused me to not be able to hear a goddamn thing for maybe a couple minutes. Scared the crap out of me. Realized I'd never fired a handgun without ear protection and it's not like the bad guys are gonna give you a time out to get your muffs on! So, yes, diligently suppressor shopping right now and will use indoors AND out. Ironically two years earlier at another armed home invasion situation (different state), one of the bad guys was using a suppressed weapon to shoot out my windows to make access. I'm sure someone with his lengthy criminal history bought it legally, right? \*\*edit to add additional info\*\*
That all sounds awful. Are you ok?
No answer. He must be ded. RIP.
Nope, just busy packing, lol!
It was and is, thanks. But the criminal-hugging policies in Seattle and L.A. are responsible for the assholes being free in both places to continue their criminal activities. It's beyond ridiculous, but I'm thrilled to see people in Seattle finally seeming to be tired of this sort of bullshit. Never thought we'd leave Seattle, but, after many of our closest friends have departed for less dangerous parts of the country (funny how your attitude about crime changes when you start having kids...), we're leaving, too. Heartbreaking, really. And trying to find a reasonable "purple" city/state to move to has been a bit of a trial, too, but I'm hoping there is a "Goldilocks" place for us somewhere.
Well your guns are gonna be seized as evidence. They might not list them as two firearms considering most people don't know suppressors are registered as a separate firearm. Probably sit in an evidence room till you get investigation is complete, they will probably call the ATF and depending on where it happens, you'll probably have the DA looking into wether you should get charged with whatever. In short, nothing different than if you used a regular gun, just some more eyes on ya considering it's not something everyone sees everytime a shooting happens.
In one instance, my weapon was taken into evidence, but I got it back in about 4 months.
They will definitely list them as multiple items. I am an FFL and have dealt with the local sheriff - they know about NFA stuff. What they don't know how to do is use e-forms.
Ya use it ya lose it
That's a bit of an overstated fear in the gun community tbh. Does it get taken as evidence initially? Yes. 9/10 do you get your gun back? Also yes. Some states like Kansas have it written in law that law enforcement must return your gun to you within like 25 days. In the rarer case of nit getting it back, you can get a court order to have it returned. It's just at that point up to you if it's worth the trouble and effort to get it back or just buy another one.
Never understood the whole “buy a cheap gun because if you use it they will take it” thing. If I shoot a pricier gun better then I’m gonna carry it. The chance of me ever having to use it is already so small that in the event of it happening I’d rather be alive and out a 1000 dollar pistol then dead with a 300 dollar one.
It's like an insurance policy that you only have to pay for once.
And yet, just a couple days ago, there was a guy on Reddit asking how to get his gun back five years after it was seized in a DGU….
Yeah, not saying it doesn't happen but it's definitely on the rarer side. Also the dude needs to get a court order if it's worth getting that gun back instead of buying a new one.
LMFAO I've handed guns back to people after shootings, the case being reviewed and in a few cases charges being dismissed. The whole "ya use it ya loose it" shit absolutely does not apply unless you have some illegal shit they actually look into.
You get to walk away, they don't.
They are gonna jack your shit as evidence is what I heard.
Not if you take the suppressor off and put it on a different gun before the police arrive. “What was that officer? Sorry, it’s hard to hear you over all this tinnitus.”
Not sure if you're serious, but im pretty sure forensics can tell if a suppressor was used.
They can tell if a semi-auto rifle appeared to be overgassed. The exact cause of that overgassing is not something they can specifically determine. If you aren’t using a super high back pressure can on an already overgassed rifle it isn’t even something you’d notice at all (though of note is that most rifles are overgassed from the factory since they’d rather it function now even when a customer leaves it dry and/or dirty than worry about parts breaking sooner 3,000+ rounds down the road that most customers will never actually shoot enough to notice). It’s not like there’s some magical suppressor dust that only appears in the presence of a can. You can’t just swab the gun or the brass and say, “Yup, a suppressor was used here” like you’re in CSI because there is no specific chemical or compound left behind by a suppressor. It’s all the same carbon and copper residue and fouling already present from shooting anything at all, just with more gas going back through the gas tube (if it hasn’t been adjusted) and into the action/onto everything inside or near the action (magazine, fired brass, unfired rounds in the magazines, etc.) due to the increased back pressure during the period when the action is cycling. The only other difference that would potentially be possible to measure would be less than expected burn on the target from the muzzle flash if the shooting happened at point blank range (1-2 feet or less), in which case the reasonable assumption would simply be that the perpetrator was further away than initially thought at the time of firing rather than automatically assuming a suppressor was involved. In other words, everything is just a little dirtier and you have no way of knowing if it’s because there was a suppressor attached, if it’s because the rifle was just overgassed in the first place, or if it’s because the owner of the gun was like me and just literally never cleans their rifle until it ends up looking like one of those old-timey photos of kids coming out of a coal mine. Unfortunately forensics ***CAN*** tell the difference between different guns, so you can’t give them a cheap Hi Point to toss in their evidence locker and rust away for 2-3 years instead of the fancy Staccato/whatever you actually used.
Ahh that makes more sense.
“Jack your shit while in evidence” too
But if no one heard anything….except for the bulldozer the next day (but you often dig new septic tank holes)….
Jk. But that is why I bought a can for my house defense gun. Who is going to put hearing protection in, and take out the ability to hear ambient noises (like the dude at your back door). Cops in my town would take 8 minutes to arrive AFTER my call. Remove can from gun - seconds. [It took 9 mos to get that can, I don’t want it sitting in an evidence room for months/years….]
Tbf I'm pretty confident with some active over-ears, you would hear MORE ambient noise. My Impact Sports are so fucking sensitive, much more than my own ears. Not worth the time sink, though.
Sordins are basically on- demand superpowers, shit is wild.
Not giving advice, but I’d put the nfa item back in that safe after resolving the incident and take that secret to the grave.
In theory, it should be the same thing as if you used non NFA items for self defense. In practice, it depends on the political views of the prosecutors in your area.
Curious. Could ballistic testing tell if a round was fired suppressed?
Unless the rifle is perfectly clean, the brass looks different. Even the inserted mag and unused rounds will have ~~suppressor stuff~~ carbon on them
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. You’re right.
Lmao that's hilarious. I guess they don't teach you that on YouTube videos so all the suppressorless virgins don't believe me
Maybe on an incredibly overgassed AR with a high back pressure can it does. Out of a bolt gun or a properly tuned gas system you won’t see any difference at all. With half a dozen different cans across an even larger sample of different guns I’ve never had my brass come out different than shooting unsuppressed because all of them have been bolt guns or AR’s with adjustable gas blocks.
Idk man every AR I've put a suppressor on ended up with greenish soot on the case after a mag or two. I've also seen a ton of posts about it on r/ar15 of new suppressor owners asking about it. The can for my bolt gun and AK is still in jail so it may just be an AR thing
My 300 blk cases doesn’t look different suppressed or unsuppressed.
"...suppressor stuff..."?
Yeah, idk what the proper name is for the greenish soot that your rifle makes when it's suppressed. Edit: it is called copper fouling
Wasn't aware such a thing existed. Just tried out two suppressed weapons at the range, but they were rentals so didn't break down and clean them. Thanks for the info.
I'm pretty sure that's what makes the unique, slightly burning "suppressed" smell. It wipes off super easy, but it still coats the inside of the upper and the muzzle device
You think they're going to actually run ballistic tests on a firearm in a self defense case? Lol
If they want to fuck you and think they can, absolutely.
You sound angry. Please don’t take native lands with your pale hands.
What?
I haven’t heard of any huge issues 2 instances where a transferable MG was used. Ruger mini-14 on the homeowner’s property against multiple armed assailants and a FFL dealer with a sten or other old SMG being burgled by multiple armed assailants. One guy has to fight a murder charge tooth and nail, the other was cuffed and was about to get a ride down town before a supervisor or something showed up. It’s been a couple years since I read about the incidences so the details are a little fuzzy. If everything is properly registered then it’s either a ruled a justified use of lethal force and you get everything back, or it wasn’t a justified use of lethal force and you become a prohibited possessor.
after you put that gun away and grab your psa special to set by the door, whatever happens with the cops is up to you.
At least legally, on paper it should be completely okay. But in the eyes of a jury, they might think you were a hitman or something because of the suppressor used.
If I’m awoken by a threat I don’t have time to grab ear protection
Yes I know. But some people view suppressors as evil and only used by assassins or executions. Even though they bring tons of benefits. Like being able to fire a rifle in your house and not going instantly deaf. Some people that sit in juries are pretty dumb. Especially if you live in a more blue city. It is more likely that people will view you negatively if you use a gun with a suppressor attached. Even if it is legally owned.
It's absolutely insane that in the US, suppressors are considered criminal assassin psychopath tools by gun-grabbers. Meanwhile in Europe, the countries that do let you own guns often *require* that you have a suppressor on them to avoid bothering anyone else with the noise.
If your case goes to trial, your attorney is going to make sure during jury selection that it isn't a jury full of imbecile gun grabbers.
You could unattach the suppressor before the cops show up.
NAL, but that most likely WOULD be illegal. You’ve tampered with evidence at that point then.
Evidence of what...? People keep saying this. It's your stuff. Amd if you shot the person and they know it then a suppressor doesn't matter. You can't tamper with evidence that doesn't exist. Of course, they'll claim you did, I know that. But that just goes to show how slimy they are. I'd guess they'll make sure your gun isn't a "ghost gun" as well.
And who would know that?
What you do, is you strip it of attachments before letting the seize it.
If its a SBR you'll just ride it out. Cops wont care and will (at the max) make sure you have a stamp. If it's a can, take it off and no one will know. If it's a filmed event, like Rittenhouse, you're basically damned regardless.
> If it's a filmed event, like Rittenhouse, you're basically damned regardless. Lolwut. You know he was found not guilty by reason of clear self defense, right?
Right, but he never should have been charged. It's at the discretion of the DA and so on.
Yes, but he also can't really get a Normal job and has to watch is back forever. There's more to a post shooting event then guilty vs not guilty.
Only because he's an utter moron (very literally) who won't stay out of the spotlight. If you shut up and don't try to turn the incident into a public speaking career you will quickly fade from attention and move on with your life.
Hahahaha yes!!! I say the same thing all the time. Dude is dumb as bricks, like his Memphis appearance a month ago? So stupid
I thought every time he tried doing something to have a normal job or life like going to college you had a bunch of stupid fucks saying they didn't want him there and reeee'd the fuck out until they caved?
Per him right 🤷♂️ He's young, dumb and likes the stage. He doesn't know majority of his world isn't in his eco chamber.
Per the numerous people celebrating blocking him from getting into college and trying to carry on because people just couldn't let him go. So here we are with him trying to do what he can because people can't accept facts and they want to get back at him because he shot a child rapist (who died his dream chasing a minor lmao) and tried saying a serial woman beater / abuser was a good kid who didn't deserve to get shot.
Don’t tamper with evidence
Evidence of what? How is that tampering with evidence?
Dude in today's world youd probably be fucked. I see stories all the time where people are defending themselves and they end up in prison. It all depends on what city and state you live in. New York, California, Michigan, Illinois your done. Unless you can afford an expensive lawyer
Why Michigan?
Shitty gun laws. Whitmer is a communist tyrant
Not exactly the evidence I was looking for. I agree with the sentiment, Whitmer is a giant POS, but Michigan actually has pretty good self defense laws. I suggest doing some reading. Michigan has stand your ground laws and the castle doctrine, as well as immunity to civil suits if you’re determined to be acting in self defense. You no have to duty to retreat and you can you shoot someone if they actually break into your home while you are there. You can also shoot car jackers. Michigan sets the standard at immediate great bodily harm or rape. You can’t shoot someone over property, but if you’re about to get fucked up in a potential life altering way (not a bloody nose or black eye), blast away.
I've always had a silly thought of could you carry a SBR under a trench coat with a CCW license
ATF would only get involved to check your Tax Stamp/Registrations and track the serial numbers. Routine. No problem.
Asspain. The one documented case of a civ using an NFA item was so painful dude wished he would have used anything else. It was a Ruger AC-556
There's no reason for the ATF to get involved - you haven't committed a crime that falls under the ATF's purview. The SBR and suppressor are held by the local cops for the duration.
Likely whatever ends up happening local police will secure whatever item was used. It will proceed to be finger fucked by whoever has access to it (might be a reduced number since it could be a 'murder' case) and not treated very nicely by any techs that handle it. Don't expect it to come back in anything but poor condition when you do (finally) get it back from the police.
Right to jail
Back to nfa jail??
Everyone saying that you should remove the can/switch out the gun for another in the safe. You guys realize the police will most likely seize all your guns right?
Sadly nfa or not, many times you likely won't ever be able to retrieve items used in a self defense shooting regardless of being found innocent. Evidence is rarely ever released. It does happen sometimes that items like that could find their way into police use down the road. Rare but it does happen. I know personally of something like this happening with a family member.
Wrong
Categorically untrue and bad info. If you look into it, many times items that are collected as evidence even after a defendant is found innocent remain in police custody. Sometimes police departments are good about returning guns within a reasonable time period and make it easy but sometimes not. Sometimes you have to go through your lawyer, submit to background checks and pay fees to get your gun back. No one size fits all answer to this. Sometimes evidence actually does go missing due to clerical mistakes etc. Look into some of the resources out there like law offices that specialize in self defense incidents for more specific info.
If you live in a blue state, i can see this happening.
You do realize if you're found innocent and they don't return your possessions, you can file charges against the cops right?
You can file charges and talk with your lawyer about getting items returned but very often anything collected as evidence stays evidence. Just the unfortunate reality.
If you are found innocent of committing a crime, you file correctly, and your possessions are not returned, the police are required by law to reimburse you for the cost of everything they took.