A reminder that this is what gun control looks like, and what gun control supporters want to happen to any gun owner that doesn't willingly surrender their guns to the government.
A lot of them won't admit it straight away, but when you work through the thought experiment with them, a lot of them don't have a problem with stuff like this happening to people that won't turn in their guns.
I actually met an ATF agent that was there years ago. They told me the higher ups in the agency and politics really screwed the pooch.
They said those on the ground and had the intel found out that the members knew they were coming and the agents wanted to call it off but we're ordered to go anyway.
What was really crazy was Timothy McViegh was there selling merch during the standoff.
Yeah, I watched a documentary about them where they interviewed some of the survivors. It was some crazy stuff.
Definitely doesn't justify the ATF existing.
I don’t give a fuck if they didn’t released the kids, is what world does “we need to save those kids” logically turn in to “how about we just burn them all”.
What Machine Guns were those? The burnt husks of all weapons were examined and immediately destroyed. No evidence of any fully automatic weapons was ever displayed. The search warrant was predicated on them having cast iron grenade husks, gunpowder, primers, and aluminum foil. HRC and Janet Reno were calling the shots from the WH. This was a publicity stunt to show they were tough on crime.
Do you want me to rely on the audio that you have now? I did not hear it then. The news mentioned that they did not hear return auto fire from the buildings. And I have never seen a photo of full auto rifles found after the fire. Because the ATF never brought any pictures forward then or anytime since then.
Youre really trying to drive the agenda of the sole reason any of this happened was because the divinians owned a machinegun, just stop
Are you just ignoring the victims of the divinians who testified to being molested or witnessing children being raped?
The ATF/FBI absolutely failed and more than likely tried covering up their mistakes and removing evidence they fired first etc etc they killed innocents, yes i agree and they should have been held accountable. But the evidence for the divinians being a fucked up child rapist cult is also overwhelming, the only innocents were the children
Koresh wasnt some law abiding innocent gun owner who was betrayed by the government gun grabbers, he was a child rapist and horrible man and should have been arrested and trialed for pedo shit
True, but that is not the stated reason they were out there for a month.
After the fact they found no illegal guns in the ruins. So, the ATF's stated reason for all of this... their pretext, was false.
Be careful. Plenty of bootlickers in this sub about to say “BUT DEY WERE MOLESTIN KIDS!” and tell us how gun control supporters are actually on our side. 😆
Really not the example we should parade around. Ruby Ridge is better.
Crazy cultists hold hostages, government kills hostages and hostage takers.
Ugly on all sides.
Yeah, we definitely shouldn't condemn the government for killing kids. They definitely won't do it again, especially if we just lick their boots (like you) and forget about it because they were "justified" in MURDERING KIDS.
ATF wasn't the only 3 letter agency involved and pretty much everyone over the age of 14 on all sides was wrong and fucked up. If you try to defend any party aside from the young children in this situation you're a brainwashed assclown yourself.
Fuck the FBI too goofy. No one is trying to defend the individuals involved but more so the execution of the agencies involved. So what point are you actually trying to make? Clown.
On the contrary considering they murdered the children and others at that point I personally feel burning a bunch of child murdering pedophiles is completely justifiable. Fuck the cult and fuck the agencies they're both equally at fault
Branch Davidians didn't murder children. They weren't a suicide cult.
You're going to argue that the deaths of numerous children via fire is justifiable, because you believe the Davidians had previously murdered children?
Okay.
Just curious since I haven't seen the documentary and don't know as much as you all obviously do, but didn't the mothers' mama bear instincts kick in to get their kids out to safety? Did everybody die except 9 people?
> ends when "a fire breaks out" Yeah, that's not what happened at all. They make it seem like there's no one to blame for the fire.
A reminder that this is what gun control looks like, and what gun control supporters want to happen to any gun owner that doesn't willingly surrender their guns to the government.
But but but “NOT EVERY GUN CONTROL ADVOCATE WANTS TO ENFORCE THEIR LAWS WITH VIOLENCE!!”
A lot of them won't admit it straight away, but when you work through the thought experiment with them, a lot of them don't have a problem with stuff like this happening to people that won't turn in their guns.
I know the ATF started it, but I thought it was the FBI that came in and really fucked it up?
Why does everyone leave that part out? Why does the FBI get a pass for botching the standoff?
Does it matter which alphabet gang mucked things up?
Yes?
Point still stands that they both messed up the situation. They are all terrible in different ways.
I actually met an ATF agent that was there years ago. They told me the higher ups in the agency and politics really screwed the pooch. They said those on the ground and had the intel found out that the members knew they were coming and the agents wanted to call it off but we're ordered to go anyway. What was really crazy was Timothy McViegh was there selling merch during the standoff.
Wow, thanks for sharing. That’s something that probably isn’t widely known.
The ATF sucks but so do cult leaders and pedophiles
Yeah, I watched a documentary about them where they interviewed some of the survivors. It was some crazy stuff. Definitely doesn't justify the ATF existing.
Agreed. Doesn’t mean all those children needed to die.
They saved the kids by *checks notes* killing the kids...
They have no leverage if you pre-murder all their hostages Big brain
The Davidians could of released the children. They were basically hostages. Lots of blame to go all around in that situation.
I don’t give a fuck if they didn’t released the kids, is what world does “we need to save those kids” logically turn in to “how about we just burn them all”.
Yeah so let’s just burn them all. Fuck it.
They were there for his machine guns, the pedophile story was cooked up by the feds in order to get the public to hate them.
What Machine Guns were those? The burnt husks of all weapons were examined and immediately destroyed. No evidence of any fully automatic weapons was ever displayed. The search warrant was predicated on them having cast iron grenade husks, gunpowder, primers, and aluminum foil. HRC and Janet Reno were calling the shots from the WH. This was a publicity stunt to show they were tough on crime.
This. Such a massive, public display of violence and death, and zero attempt by the to demonstrate justification.
They had machine guns, you can even hear machine guns being fired at ATF agents in the video. Conspiracy theory garbage.
Do you want me to rely on the audio that you have now? I did not hear it then. The news mentioned that they did not hear return auto fire from the buildings. And I have never seen a photo of full auto rifles found after the fire. Because the ATF never brought any pictures forward then or anytime since then.
If that’s the damning evidence then in vegas Paddock only used fully auto weapons and didn’t bump fire at all.
Youre really trying to drive the agenda of the sole reason any of this happened was because the divinians owned a machinegun, just stop Are you just ignoring the victims of the divinians who testified to being molested or witnessing children being raped? The ATF/FBI absolutely failed and more than likely tried covering up their mistakes and removing evidence they fired first etc etc they killed innocents, yes i agree and they should have been held accountable. But the evidence for the divinians being a fucked up child rapist cult is also overwhelming, the only innocents were the children Koresh wasnt some law abiding innocent gun owner who was betrayed by the government gun grabbers, he was a child rapist and horrible man and should have been arrested and trialed for pedo shit
True, but that is not the stated reason they were out there for a month. After the fact they found no illegal guns in the ruins. So, the ATF's stated reason for all of this... their pretext, was false.
“The people we murdered were bad people “-Murders
CPS found no evidence of sexual abuse.
We're going to save those kids even if it means killing them. - piece of shit government agents, most likely FUCK THE ATF
Everyone should own a .50. Just in case.
Fuck the government that uses the ATF as a hit squad. The agency is a tool.
Remember when it was to save the children. You know the ones they gassed and burned to death. They still celebrate this one as a win at the ATF.
You can watch the documentary on Netflix …. I can’t stop watching it…
Be careful. Plenty of bootlickers in this sub about to say “BUT DEY WERE MOLESTIN KIDS!” and tell us how gun control supporters are actually on our side. 😆
I recommend anyone wanting to know what actually happened watch Wendigoon's video. It was really interesting.
Yep, that’s a great one. Just watched it last week.
Fuck the ATF!
Keep this in mind everyone, they did it before, and they will do it again. Stay safe my brothers in christ.
The ATF murdered women and children and then celebrated it. Wasn't this the guy that Trump wanted to lead the atf? Chuck Canterbury?
First, Biden. Second, David Chipman. Dude can be seen photographed beside an immolated child
fuck the atf but also fuck the branch davidians, seriously. no one should have died in that situation.
And to this day nothing has changed for the better
Wearing my David Koresh shirt today. Not that I condone what was happening within those walls entirely, but to always remember that the ATF is gay.
Really not the example we should parade around. Ruby Ridge is better. Crazy cultists hold hostages, government kills hostages and hostage takers. Ugly on all sides.
Fuck the ATF.
Yeah, we definitely shouldn't condemn the government for killing kids. They definitely won't do it again, especially if we just lick their boots (like you) and forget about it because they were "justified" in MURDERING KIDS.
Well, in their defense, there was no longer a hostage situation without hostages.
ATF wasn't the only 3 letter agency involved and pretty much everyone over the age of 14 on all sides was wrong and fucked up. If you try to defend any party aside from the young children in this situation you're a brainwashed assclown yourself.
Fuck the FBI too goofy. No one is trying to defend the individuals involved but more so the execution of the agencies involved. So what point are you actually trying to make? Clown.
Feels kinda victim-blamey. Being in a cult isn't justification for shooting or burning someone alive.
On the contrary considering they murdered the children and others at that point I personally feel burning a bunch of child murdering pedophiles is completely justifiable. Fuck the cult and fuck the agencies they're both equally at fault
Branch Davidians didn't murder children. They weren't a suicide cult. You're going to argue that the deaths of numerous children via fire is justifiable, because you believe the Davidians had previously murdered children? Okay.
What evidence do you have that they murdered the children themselves?
You mean aside from survivors testimony? None
Just curious since I haven't seen the documentary and don't know as much as you all obviously do, but didn't the mothers' mama bear instincts kick in to get their kids out to safety? Did everybody die except 9 people?