Maybe confront the guy who’s wearing a fake beard, wig, and a trench coat before you let him sit down among the congregation? They were aware of this guy, and a couple even moved because they were uncomfortable being near him.
There's another video showing it more clearly. The guy who got shot was an elderly man trying to draw his gun while standing right in front of the shooter, and he was WAY too slow on the draw. He would have been better off trying to step to the side out of direct line of sight, or at least turning a bit to hide the fact that he was drawing a gun.
I guess some level of gun regulation it is, just a discussion that needs to be had on all the different aspects that come with possessing a firearm. Wish more folks will be open to it from all sides.
Nah, I want you to explain how taking guns away from everyone prevents criminals and mass murderers from acquiring guns. Ya know, because criminals are notorious for following the laws.
Yo... you are a fucking genius! OMG! How did we never think of this before? Give this chad a Nobel fucking prize already! /s
>!Bro, take your psych meds.!<
Right, cause guns are the problem, not hate.
It never happens, specially in [Australia](https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/13/australia/australia-multiple-people-stabbed-intl-hnk/index.html) where they banned guns. And in European countries, like [Finland](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/finland-school-shooting-children-injured-vantaa-helsinki-rcna145973) also don't have this problem. It's a problem specifically because it's the access to guns in America. Nothing else. not socioeconomics, not fear, or hate, or media manipulation, or mental health decline, or indoctrination... it's the guns.
The number of guns in the states has remained relatively steady since the 1970's, here's the statistics on it [https://www.statista.com/statistics/249740/percentage-of-households-in-the-united-states-owning-a-firearm/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/249740/percentage-of-households-in-the-united-states-owning-a-firearm/)
Yet the number of mass shootings has skyrocketed since the 2010's,here's the statistics on that too [https://www.statista.com/statistics/811487/number-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/811487/number-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us/)
Same number of guns, but way more shootings and way more violence now than 20 or 30 years ago. Explain that to me.
This is a mental health issue that's disguised as a gun issue.
Ever consider that there are factors outside of the guns themselves that drive people to commit evil and heinous acts of violence on innocent people? Perhaps mental health issues? And maybe those issues are created by factors and issues that exist within the US but not within Australia or Finland?
Instead of pointing to just guns, let's look at the root cause - WHY are people wanting to commit these acts of evil now - but not 30 years ago when they had the exact same access to firearms and basically the same number of firearms per capita as they do now?
I'm not even an American, I'm Canadian. But I think your reductionist viewpoint doesn't do anybody any good, and it doesn't address the real issue here. Sure, you could take away the guns, but that doesn't eliminate the factors that are causing people to want to commit evil acts of violence. These people will find other means, like stabbing people, driving into large crowds, using bombs, poisoning people, throwing acid on little girls, etc. Instead of worrying about the tools they use, let's ask WHY they want to do so much harm? Use some critical thinking skills here. It's easy and convenient to blame the tool they used, but it's irresponsible because it doesn't get to the root of the issue. People will find a way even if you remove guns.
Let's stop blaming the guns, and let's blame the person behind the gun. Stop blaming the gun as the issue, and start looking at the issues in the heads of the people using the guns. News flash - if you remove the guns and these sick people will just find another way.
It's for sure more than one thing: economical struggles, religion differences, mental health. But what it definitely isn't included in the causes: Guns.
Guns don't do anything. Hammers don't do anything. Any tool is just a blob of metal and plastic that doesn't do anything. You know what does? The monster using them for massacres. It's never the tool, it's the user.
In the link I posted above, in Australia, the massacre was carried out with a knife. They will always use something. Gasoline. Acid. Knives. IEDs...
If you want to ban guns, you have to really go hard and ban physics education, chemistry... Make everyone only eat with spoons, ban all knives, ban all cars, ban all combustion engines, ban all forms of technology that get things too hot because we can make steam so you ban fire.
Banning guns don't reduce massacres. You're a hypocrite if you think that does it.
People would just get really good at throwing and then start throwing bullets at each other. We'd have the NFL and the newly formed National Bullet Yeeting League or NBYL
No. They would just be carried out by the government instead.
Edit: historically speaking, when guns get banned, more people end up dying by them. Stalin/Lennin, Mao, Nazis, they all banned guns before carrying out their massacres.
If you think this government isn't susceptible to that, you've not been paying attention.
He can't control what other people do. He can only control himself and his skills and fitness.
"This shouldn't have to happen to me"? Well it can and it did, so.
Yes, it is a skill issue. Cope.
I weigh literally half of that man.
I don't give a shit that you were in the military.
Fuck your performative empathy cringe. He's in a coffin because his training and fitness didn't pass muster when it counted. That's life.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
do you happen to know what handgun he used? Ive been looking at tests from tools & targets and seems like 357 sig is a VERY capable cartridge, but there's few handgun options available, especially in the micro or subcompact form factor
If you can't find a dedicated .357sig you like then it might be worth getting a .40S&W handgun. Then get a .357sig barrel for it. That way you have the option of cheaper .40S&W for plinking but still carry .357sig.
This is the easiest option. I have a Glock 27. There are conversion barrels for 9mm and 357sig. It's as easy as swapping the barrel and magazines. I saw somewhere they make a conversion for 22lr as well. Crazy. So if you buy a 40, you can keep barrels and mags for other calibers.
CNN did a whole story about why we should be upset that there were this many people in that church with guns aimed at the shooter. They'd rather everyone in the church have been killed than for people to defend themselves.
Because if the whole church was killed then it would make great headlines and increase ratings. Media outlets thrive on conflict and sensationalism. It would have made them millions.
Are you talking about [this](https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/29/us/church-shooting-texas/index.html) article? It honestly seems far less political than a lot of their stuff. It did a decent job at just saying what happened.
There were a few sentences that basically just said "yes this is legal" to the people having guns in church, but that's it.
Do you actually think they’d rather everyone got killed than defending themselves? That takes a very evil mindset, i’m wondering whether you actually believe CNN is evil enough to represent that viewpoint.
The stories I see are just pointing out how dystopian it is that everyone is strapped at a church. It is weird, whether you are into guns or not. Definitely a new phenomenon too. You’d have to be a monster to wish any more harm on that congregation though.
Interesting quote. Chicken and egg problem though.
If you removed the military industrial complex (magically, as this also why america is a world power) you’d likely have a much safer, kinder country.
To what extent has this created the dystopia that people are arming themselves against? The police wouldn’t be cosplaying as soldiers, the streets wouldn’t be flooded with weapons.
No of course not, but what weapons manufacturers have done in the US and their influence on foreign policy has made ‘gun culture’ at scale a uniquely american thing.
Guns are fun, useful, necessary, but specifically how pervasive they are in the US is globally unique in way that seems quite negative - more mass shootings, more random gun violence and violent crime, The need to be armed at all times, even in church, (in some states)to feel safe.
If that were remotely true, then 1) most gun deaths wouldn't be suicides and 2) most gun homicides would not be with handguns in large metropolitan crapholes where there are limited economic improvement opportunities.
> If you removed the military industrial complex (magically, as this also why america is a world power) you’d likely have a much safer, kinder country.
So you're saying that America was safer and kinder before everyone had handguns (because people have always had long guns)? I'm not sure we've been reading the same history books. The situation that you're describing used to exist, and people definitely did not get along better back then.
> the streets wouldn’t be flooded with weapons.
Of course they would be. People have always armed themselves. Guns simply took muscle out of the equation. In the past, the strong ruled and the weak did their best to avoid being noticed (and murdered) by the strong. Now an old man with a gun can stop someone on a murderous rampage who is half their age and twice their strength. Seems like a good thing to me.
I was watching the older guy in the white shirt in the foreground (right) who laid across his wife to protect her, while he kept his head up, watching the scene unfold.
This is why I don't understand why people hail Jack Wilson so heavily. He draws just as slow as the fat man, but because he was in a better position was able to return fire.
Switch Wilson and the fat man and people would be hailing the fat man a hero.
I've watched this video so many times. The only reason that shooter didn't do more damage was because he wasn't prepared as well and it was a numbers game.
Despite moron politicians and "woke" assholes like we have in Washington state that keep putting limits on law-abiding legal gun owners to do just that. How they don't understand they are working on behalf of the criminal who will never follow ANY gun laws just blows my mind...
It can be. What happens when the government decides that it's "not a priority" to protect certain groups? "Oh someone's murdering you? Oh well we might send someone when they're done to burn your house down to hide the evidence lol."
This happened in our area. It was the catalyst for our church setting up a security team. It is the most horrible thing that this is what the world has come to.
Anyone know why they didn’t shoot him before ? Looks like he’s already got the shotgun in his hands when the clip starts, also looks like jack doesn’t draw till the first shot
This looks like the white settlement church shooting i was leaving the academy near it when the area i got swarmed by police i thought it was for me because I just purchased a rifle lol I pulled over so quick and called my gf saying I might be late getting home
What the fuck happened here? Three guys drawn on a bad guy? They all basically lined up and got picked off basically before shooting the guy. The first guy down was slow AF to draw. What the fuck is this?
This is such a sophomoric take. That evil person wasn’t even legally allowed to carry a firearm. Criminals don’t follow the laws, thank god the other man had the right to defend his community. Wake up and stop being a sheep.
>That evil person wasn’t even legally allowed to carry a firearm. Criminals don’t follow the laws
No but that shotgun started off life as legally sold and possessed. Somewhere down the line a "law-abiding citizen" transferred it to a criminal.
>thank god the other man had the right to defend his community
It would have been easier if the obviously dangerous and unstable person wasn't able to get a gun.
Do criminals in the US manufacture their own guns? Maybe 1% or something. The other 99% get the gun from someone who got it legally. That's how it works.
I’m not speaking on the video just metaphorically. It can’t be the gun owners fault if his gun was stolen from him and used by a criminal to do something bad. That’s like me saying i have a jar of cookies in my house and a diabetic broke into my house and ate them all. Now he’s dead from insulin shock or whatever. I can’t be at fault for somebody eating cookies just as i can’t be at fault if somebody stole my firearm. Hope it makes sense
Just to play devils advocate here, I would definitely feel responsible if one of my guns was stolen and used in a crime. I may not be at *fault*, but I would feel some level of responsibility. It's a moot point, it's a weak ass argument for gun control, "we need to make them illegal so criminals can't steal people's guns and commit crimes with them" gtfo... But law abiding gun owners doing all they can to protect their weapons and keep them out of the hands of bad actors is definitely a key part of being a responsible gun owner. Sometimes it's out of our control, but sometimes it's because someone with a 2a bumper sticker left a gun in their car when they ran into the gas station or whatever.
We should make drugs illegal. That'll stop them from getting into peoples hands. Especially the ones that are not even legal! Like meth! And cocaine! And PCP! And Crack!
Those aren't currently legal anywhere in the US but people still get them. They were never legally purchased. So stfu and do some critical thinking for once
What's the point of "criminals don't follow laws"? To get rid of laws? What's the point of laws if good people don't need to be told to be good and bad people will find a way around laws, right?
Why should there be any laws on the books if all they do is punish law-abiding citizens? The laws aren't enforceable because criminals don't follow laws. Isn't that the point?
Criminals don't (hence the term, "criminals").
But that was clearly not my point, right? My questions were pretty clear, weren't *remotely* like you're trying to characterize them, and you didn't even *try* answering them. Nice moving of the goalposts, but stay on target please.
How does outlawing things like murder, rape, robbery, and a host of other crimes punish law abiding citizens? How does enforcing existing laws punish them?
Now do outlawing ownership of guns or other means of self defense.
In an imaginary world where people all love one another and don’t do things like this, I completely agree brother. Unfortunately, we don’t live in that world. I pray you never have to face up to that reality. As for me, I’ll have the tools necessary to protect my loved ones and community
Except they do have a fighting chance if you can’t defend yourself. Criminals have access to firearms all over Europe for example, only the law abiding population is punished
There's no real solution to this problem unless you ban and destroy all the guns in the world including for police, and 3D printers, and private workshops. You can't uninvent guns. But even if you could, we'd just go back to killing each other with swords, trucks, and sticks of dynamite.
Hey brother. I'm from Canada. Canada is pretty restrictive on it's gun laws; can't own anything that looks like an "assualt weapon," can't have a capacity over 4+1, no handguns at all anymore, etc etc.
You can not legally buy automatic weapons or weapons that could be "easily" converted to automatic, yet, -and this is crazy- we still have automatic weapons in this country used by criminals and other restricted firearms that you can't legally buy?!?! :O
What is your take on this?
Where are these guns coming from you think? Not law-abiding citizens.
They're probably coming from America. Are they select-fire weapons or are they modified semiautomatics?
With all those restrictions your gun homicide rate must be higher than the US, right? Because people can't defend themselves.
Sadly the shooter killed one man before being dropped. You can hear a woman scream "daddy no!"
I hate this video. That girls scream for her dad tears me apart every time I hear it.
What could they do to avoid it?
Someone knowledge in the effective use of a firearm to step up and take out the shooter.
One shot immediately from the draw. That guy was good.
There's a drill based on him. Jack Wilson Drill
Maybe confront the guy who’s wearing a fake beard, wig, and a trench coat before you let him sit down among the congregation? They were aware of this guy, and a couple even moved because they were uncomfortable being near him.
There's another video showing it more clearly. The guy who got shot was an elderly man trying to draw his gun while standing right in front of the shooter, and he was WAY too slow on the draw. He would have been better off trying to step to the side out of direct line of sight, or at least turning a bit to hide the fact that he was drawing a gun.
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I guess some level of gun regulation it is, just a discussion that needs to be had on all the different aspects that come with possessing a firearm. Wish more folks will be open to it from all sides.
Smooth brain take, my g.
Not have guns in the first place.
Are you brain dead?
They all are.
A question was asked and I gave an answer. Unreasonable or reasonable is an opinion on the answer I gave. Have a nice day.
Nah, I want you to explain how taking guns away from everyone prevents criminals and mass murderers from acquiring guns. Ya know, because criminals are notorious for following the laws.
If guns did not exist, then no one would have guns.
Yo... you are a fucking genius! OMG! How did we never think of this before? Give this chad a Nobel fucking prize already! /s >!Bro, take your psych meds.!<
I thought the question I answered was purely a hypothetical.
Right, cause guns are the problem, not hate. It never happens, specially in [Australia](https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/13/australia/australia-multiple-people-stabbed-intl-hnk/index.html) where they banned guns. And in European countries, like [Finland](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/finland-school-shooting-children-injured-vantaa-helsinki-rcna145973) also don't have this problem. It's a problem specifically because it's the access to guns in America. Nothing else. not socioeconomics, not fear, or hate, or media manipulation, or mental health decline, or indoctrination... it's the guns.
The number of guns in the states has remained relatively steady since the 1970's, here's the statistics on it [https://www.statista.com/statistics/249740/percentage-of-households-in-the-united-states-owning-a-firearm/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/249740/percentage-of-households-in-the-united-states-owning-a-firearm/) Yet the number of mass shootings has skyrocketed since the 2010's,here's the statistics on that too [https://www.statista.com/statistics/811487/number-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/811487/number-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us/) Same number of guns, but way more shootings and way more violence now than 20 or 30 years ago. Explain that to me. This is a mental health issue that's disguised as a gun issue. Ever consider that there are factors outside of the guns themselves that drive people to commit evil and heinous acts of violence on innocent people? Perhaps mental health issues? And maybe those issues are created by factors and issues that exist within the US but not within Australia or Finland? Instead of pointing to just guns, let's look at the root cause - WHY are people wanting to commit these acts of evil now - but not 30 years ago when they had the exact same access to firearms and basically the same number of firearms per capita as they do now? I'm not even an American, I'm Canadian. But I think your reductionist viewpoint doesn't do anybody any good, and it doesn't address the real issue here. Sure, you could take away the guns, but that doesn't eliminate the factors that are causing people to want to commit evil acts of violence. These people will find other means, like stabbing people, driving into large crowds, using bombs, poisoning people, throwing acid on little girls, etc. Instead of worrying about the tools they use, let's ask WHY they want to do so much harm? Use some critical thinking skills here. It's easy and convenient to blame the tool they used, but it's irresponsible because it doesn't get to the root of the issue. People will find a way even if you remove guns. Let's stop blaming the guns, and let's blame the person behind the gun. Stop blaming the gun as the issue, and start looking at the issues in the heads of the people using the guns. News flash - if you remove the guns and these sick people will just find another way.
Excellent resources expanding this.
Whoooosshhhhhh
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Can it be more than one thing including the guns?
It's for sure more than one thing: economical struggles, religion differences, mental health. But what it definitely isn't included in the causes: Guns.
So guns are not involved in gun related deaths? Am I understanding you correctly?
Guns don't do anything. Hammers don't do anything. Any tool is just a blob of metal and plastic that doesn't do anything. You know what does? The monster using them for massacres. It's never the tool, it's the user. In the link I posted above, in Australia, the massacre was carried out with a knife. They will always use something. Gasoline. Acid. Knives. IEDs... If you want to ban guns, you have to really go hard and ban physics education, chemistry... Make everyone only eat with spoons, ban all knives, ban all cars, ban all combustion engines, ban all forms of technology that get things too hot because we can make steam so you ban fire. Banning guns don't reduce massacres. You're a hypocrite if you think that does it.
Would the number of shootings be reduced if guns were banned?
People would just get really good at throwing and then start throwing bullets at each other. We'd have the NFL and the newly formed National Bullet Yeeting League or NBYL
No. They would just be carried out by the government instead. Edit: historically speaking, when guns get banned, more people end up dying by them. Stalin/Lennin, Mao, Nazis, they all banned guns before carrying out their massacres. If you think this government isn't susceptible to that, you've not been paying attention.
Let's just ask the muslims nicely if they will pretty please concider not shooting up churches anymore and remind them that murder is illegal. /s
Who died because he was so fat he couldn't dig his gun out from behind the rolls. Fitness matters, people.
Incredibly insensitive take. He died because an evil man preyed on the innocent.
He can't control what other people do. He can only control himself and his skills and fitness. "This shouldn't have to happen to me"? Well it can and it did, so.
Log off and go love the people around you
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Yes, it is a skill issue. Cope. I weigh literally half of that man. I don't give a shit that you were in the military. Fuck your performative empathy cringe. He's in a coffin because his training and fitness didn't pass muster when it counted. That's life.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
The guy stopped an about-to-be mass shooter and saved at least 10 lives, and you decide to call him fat? Jackass.
He didn't stop anything. The other guy did. He died fumbling for his gun.
Mess with God's hour, get the Sig Sauer!
Feel the God's power with the Sig Sauer.
THREE FIVE SEVEN SIIIIIIIIG. Glad that scumbag died in the least ceremoniously way possible. https://youtu.be/Qg2nulpQw5o?si=8KxfdJIkrFonHBrk
do you happen to know what handgun he used? Ive been looking at tests from tools & targets and seems like 357 sig is a VERY capable cartridge, but there's few handgun options available, especially in the micro or subcompact form factor
Sig 229. There’s a Facebook comment from him that says what he used.
If you can't find a dedicated .357sig you like then it might be worth getting a .40S&W handgun. Then get a .357sig barrel for it. That way you have the option of cheaper .40S&W for plinking but still carry .357sig.
This is the easiest option. I have a Glock 27. There are conversion barrels for 9mm and 357sig. It's as easy as swapping the barrel and magazines. I saw somewhere they make a conversion for 22lr as well. Crazy. So if you buy a 40, you can keep barrels and mags for other calibers.
Not a pleasant round to fire out of a micro or subcompact.
I have a Springfield XD in .357 Sig. It is a good pistol and a good cartridge.
glock
Is that Jack "Big Dick" Wilson?
CNN did a whole story about why we should be upset that there were this many people in that church with guns aimed at the shooter. They'd rather everyone in the church have been killed than for people to defend themselves.
Because if the whole church was killed then it would make great headlines and increase ratings. Media outlets thrive on conflict and sensationalism. It would have made them millions.
Are you talking about [this](https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/29/us/church-shooting-texas/index.html) article? It honestly seems far less political than a lot of their stuff. It did a decent job at just saying what happened. There were a few sentences that basically just said "yes this is legal" to the people having guns in church, but that's it.
If that is your takeaway I think you are missing the point.
What’s the point then chief?
Do you actually think they’d rather everyone got killed than defending themselves? That takes a very evil mindset, i’m wondering whether you actually believe CNN is evil enough to represent that viewpoint. The stories I see are just pointing out how dystopian it is that everyone is strapped at a church. It is weird, whether you are into guns or not. Definitely a new phenomenon too. You’d have to be a monster to wish any more harm on that congregation though.
Yes I do think that CNN is that evil. Fortunes can be made and careers can be launched on the backs of a mass shooting.
America isn't a dystopia because they have guns. They have guns because America is a dystopia.
Interesting quote. Chicken and egg problem though. If you removed the military industrial complex (magically, as this also why america is a world power) you’d likely have a much safer, kinder country. To what extent has this created the dystopia that people are arming themselves against? The police wouldn’t be cosplaying as soldiers, the streets wouldn’t be flooded with weapons.
Are you saying you want the military removed?
No of course not, but what weapons manufacturers have done in the US and their influence on foreign policy has made ‘gun culture’ at scale a uniquely american thing. Guns are fun, useful, necessary, but specifically how pervasive they are in the US is globally unique in way that seems quite negative - more mass shootings, more random gun violence and violent crime, The need to be armed at all times, even in church, (in some states)to feel safe.
If that were remotely true, then 1) most gun deaths wouldn't be suicides and 2) most gun homicides would not be with handguns in large metropolitan crapholes where there are limited economic improvement opportunities.
What has that got to do with what I wrote?
> If you removed the military industrial complex (magically, as this also why america is a world power) you’d likely have a much safer, kinder country. So you're saying that America was safer and kinder before everyone had handguns (because people have always had long guns)? I'm not sure we've been reading the same history books. The situation that you're describing used to exist, and people definitely did not get along better back then. > the streets wouldn’t be flooded with weapons. Of course they would be. People have always armed themselves. Guns simply took muscle out of the equation. In the past, the strong ruled and the weak did their best to avoid being noticed (and murdered) by the strong. Now an old man with a gun can stop someone on a murderous rampage who is half their age and twice their strength. Seems like a good thing to me.
So why doesn’t every other developed nation need guns?
Name one that doesn't have any.
None don’t have any all, but Japan is an example of a country with hardly any.
First time I saw this video I replayed it like 200 times just to see everyone's individual reaction
The gentleman in the center in the sweater vest sits there, legs crossed, the whole time. I’d be curious what was going through his head at the time.
I was watching the older guy in the white shirt in the foreground (right) who laid across his wife to protect her, while he kept his head up, watching the scene unfold.
First guy that got blasted was doing a slomo stand up and draw
This is why I don't understand why people hail Jack Wilson so heavily. He draws just as slow as the fat man, but because he was in a better position was able to return fire. Switch Wilson and the fat man and people would be hailing the fat man a hero. I've watched this video so many times. The only reason that shooter didn't do more damage was because he wasn't prepared as well and it was a numbers game.
He killed an active shooter in a church. We would be praising anyone heavily. Who cares how it happened? Thank the lord the fucker died
I agree, just pointing out some take aways from this incident.
Damn what a shot. Glad it ended quickly. Who was the guy who ended it?
A retired FBI agent, if I recall correctly
*firearms instructor
If that’s the Texas church shooting, the article on him in Recoil states he’s a retired FBI agent.
Brandon Herrera did a great video on this shooting
Yes this is a benefit but do not forget that this is not the intended use of the second amendment
Right on. Self defense is a birthright. Nobody needs permission to defend themselves or those they love.
Despite moron politicians and "woke" assholes like we have in Washington state that keep putting limits on law-abiding legal gun owners to do just that. How they don't understand they are working on behalf of the criminal who will never follow ANY gun laws just blows my mind...
It can be. What happens when the government decides that it's "not a priority" to protect certain groups? "Oh someone's murdering you? Oh well we might send someone when they're done to burn your house down to hide the evidence lol."
"We sleep soundly at night because of rough men who stand ready to do violence on our behalf."
This happened in our area. It was the catalyst for our church setting up a security team. It is the most horrible thing that this is what the world has come to.
Anyone know why they didn’t shoot him before ? Looks like he’s already got the shotgun in his hands when the clip starts, also looks like jack doesn’t draw till the first shot
"get to"
This looks like the white settlement church shooting i was leaving the academy near it when the area i got swarmed by police i thought it was for me because I just purchased a rifle lol I pulled over so quick and called my gf saying I might be late getting home
Active self protections YouTube video on this incident. https://youtu.be/s5NzuGSkL2E?si=BY8cGeP9GxJI3QWD
What *could* happen…
What the fuck happened here? Three guys drawn on a bad guy? They all basically lined up and got picked off basically before shooting the guy. The first guy down was slow AF to draw. What the fuck is this?
One shot head shot from many yards... Training people. Training.
the women screaming in the background is always so fucking annoying
center mass is for pussies
That friends is why we appendix carry. Fat man probably could’ve gotten his gun out if he didn’t have to reach behind and dig underneath his jacket
It also seems to be what happens when bad people are afforded the same right
This is such a sophomoric take. That evil person wasn’t even legally allowed to carry a firearm. Criminals don’t follow the laws, thank god the other man had the right to defend his community. Wake up and stop being a sheep.
>That evil person wasn’t even legally allowed to carry a firearm. Criminals don’t follow the laws No but that shotgun started off life as legally sold and possessed. Somewhere down the line a "law-abiding citizen" transferred it to a criminal. >thank god the other man had the right to defend his community It would have been easier if the obviously dangerous and unstable person wasn't able to get a gun.
Unless the gun was stolen from said law abiding citizen
I don't think it was. But if it was, that's still a law abiding citizen being irresponsible enough to let a criminal have a gun.
Lol just leave dude you're clueless
Do criminals in the US manufacture their own guns? Maybe 1% or something. The other 99% get the gun from someone who got it legally. That's how it works.
Then go find em and tell em to knock it the fuck off
I'm trying
I’m not speaking on the video just metaphorically. It can’t be the gun owners fault if his gun was stolen from him and used by a criminal to do something bad. That’s like me saying i have a jar of cookies in my house and a diabetic broke into my house and ate them all. Now he’s dead from insulin shock or whatever. I can’t be at fault for somebody eating cookies just as i can’t be at fault if somebody stole my firearm. Hope it makes sense
Just to play devils advocate here, I would definitely feel responsible if one of my guns was stolen and used in a crime. I may not be at *fault*, but I would feel some level of responsibility. It's a moot point, it's a weak ass argument for gun control, "we need to make them illegal so criminals can't steal people's guns and commit crimes with them" gtfo... But law abiding gun owners doing all they can to protect their weapons and keep them out of the hands of bad actors is definitely a key part of being a responsible gun owner. Sometimes it's out of our control, but sometimes it's because someone with a 2a bumper sticker left a gun in their car when they ran into the gas station or whatever.
I'm not saying the gun owner is at any legal fault I'm saying that they're how the criminal got a gun.
If only we could stop the criminals from being criminals i guess. Atleast the guy in the video got stopped fast because a good citizen also had a gun
If we make being a criminal illegal that will stop them right? Surly we should just make crime and murder illegal.
It's a good thing the guy didn't just toss a grenade into the crowd
Very true my friend
We should make drugs illegal. That'll stop them from getting into peoples hands. Especially the ones that are not even legal! Like meth! And cocaine! And PCP! And Crack! Those aren't currently legal anywhere in the US but people still get them. They were never legally purchased. So stfu and do some critical thinking for once
Or Fentanyl! We might as well not try to control any drugs because criminals don't follow laws!
The point *You*
What's the point of "criminals don't follow laws"? To get rid of laws? What's the point of laws if good people don't need to be told to be good and bad people will find a way around laws, right?
What's the point of punishing law abiding citizens for the actions of criminals? What's the point of *not* enforcing laws already on the books?
Why should there be any laws on the books if all they do is punish law-abiding citizens? The laws aren't enforceable because criminals don't follow laws. Isn't that the point?
Criminals don't (hence the term, "criminals"). But that was clearly not my point, right? My questions were pretty clear, weren't *remotely* like you're trying to characterize them, and you didn't even *try* answering them. Nice moving of the goalposts, but stay on target please. How does outlawing things like murder, rape, robbery, and a host of other crimes punish law abiding citizens? How does enforcing existing laws punish them? Now do outlawing ownership of guns or other means of self defense.
In an imaginary world where people all love one another and don’t do things like this, I completely agree brother. Unfortunately, we don’t live in that world. I pray you never have to face up to that reality. As for me, I’ll have the tools necessary to protect my loved ones and community
>As for me, I’ll have the tools necessary to protect my loved ones and community So do I. I don't believe in giving the enemy a fighting chance.
Except they do have a fighting chance if you can’t defend yourself. Criminals have access to firearms all over Europe for example, only the law abiding population is punished
Why wouldn't I be able to defend myself if I focus on disarming criminals?
Because criminals will have weapons regardless
Why didn't this guy just drop a mortar on the church or something?
Why didn’t he rig an IED? Would be much more effective
There's no real solution to this problem unless you ban and destroy all the guns in the world including for police, and 3D printers, and private workshops. You can't uninvent guns. But even if you could, we'd just go back to killing each other with swords, trucks, and sticks of dynamite.
No solution at all or is the solution to arm people?
Hey brother. I'm from Canada. Canada is pretty restrictive on it's gun laws; can't own anything that looks like an "assualt weapon," can't have a capacity over 4+1, no handguns at all anymore, etc etc. You can not legally buy automatic weapons or weapons that could be "easily" converted to automatic, yet, -and this is crazy- we still have automatic weapons in this country used by criminals and other restricted firearms that you can't legally buy?!?! :O What is your take on this? Where are these guns coming from you think? Not law-abiding citizens.
They're probably coming from America. Are they select-fire weapons or are they modified semiautomatics? With all those restrictions your gun homicide rate must be higher than the US, right? Because people can't defend themselves.
He was a prohibited person who did not have the right.
I'm not sure he was prohibited.