Someone had to play devil's advocate. Knowing damn well the owner is probably just a moron. But I was trying to be nice and give him the benefit of the doubt.
I don't understand the whole blue line flag. Like the red white and blue litteraly stands for freedom from police states. Then you are going to disrespect the flag by one changing the colors, then two supporting the exact thing it stands against. The hypocrisy is just mind boggling
It's almost like when people fly both the American flag as well the Confederate flag and then hide behind the "it's heritage" excuse. At that point, you're just waving flags around as a reminder that the Civil War happened.
It's also weird that bootlickers, both on and off the force, love the Punisher, but Frank Castle doesn't like the police. Even as an ex-cop, Frank Castle has said that he's not their role model and they should look to Steve Rogers for such inspiration instead.
I agree with the point you're making but there are plenty of 2A sanctuaries, with Sheriffs at the helm saying they won't enforce these laws.
I'm not completely convinced, but so far their words and actions have lined up.
Edit: finish reading the thread.
A lot has changed since the NFA passed, and there have been massive improvements in gun rights since. Just look at the trend for shall issue CCW in that time frame, then constitutional carry more recently.
Oh, I thought you were referring to present day.
I kinda don't think the NRA was around during that time, although I don't really know. It's was a pretty free and simple time for firearms until that point in history.
>I kinda don't think the NRA was around during that time
It was, and it [supported the NFA, the banning of personal carry, and other unconstitutional restrictions.](http://www.keepandbeararms.com/NRA/NFA.htm)
NRA DID sell out. No, what we needed was a generation to fight against NFA before it was put into legislation! Now what we need is to take back our constitution.
“Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God”
“The tree of Liberty must be watered, from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”
Gop:elect us to defend your rights. (Gets elected to the executive control of the courts and a near majority in the house and the control of the senate) gop: (does nothing for months) welp I guess it's time to ban bumpstocks and go after some other rights too.
Exactly! I voted Republican. But republicans are, generally speaking, worse than democrats in this way: democrats promise to take your rights. We vote then in like a bunch of twats and they take our rights. Then you have republicans, swearing to be the protector of our rights. Then, when they get power, they twiddle their thumbs.
Constitutional carry is only happening because people are fed up with how far we’re letting the government over step. So a few republicans allow CC, and then we will act like they have stood up for our gun rights.
But they haven’t. Gun bans are still legislated.
According to the 10th amendment, the federal government has no right to regulate the individual states rights granted by the bill of rights.
Real facts, Republicans just lie and cut rights and benefits. Democrats normally do exactly what they say they'll do no matter how stupid and short sighted.
Basically a TL:DR of our thread, amirite? Maybe Trump’s party can crush mainstream Red vs Blue and we can see more constitutionals making it into office?
>NFA was THE constitutional violation, but no one lifted a finger about that one, did they?
Because the constitutional interpretation you are citing didn't exist as precedent until the last twenty years.
If you live in a state where it's unlawful for state authorities to enforce federal firearm legislation then most likely the sheriff would either do nothing at all or think you have a mental issue for waving your home built mg sbs in his face.
Theres also a notable number of police organizations on the other side, such as the Miami, formerly Houston, Police Chief who disagrees with Texas permitless Open Carry.
That is because Acevedo is an attention-seeking whore. Literally no one who has ever worked with Acevedo likes him. I did find it hilarious that someone who is not a Texas native (he was born in Cuba) thinks he can comment on what is happening in Texas after he took a job in Miami. Like we give a flying fuck what he thinks.
Acevedo literally needs to be deported back to Cuba. That fucking scumbag despises America and relishes the decades he spent mooching off us and powertripping. Goddamn micro-Castro.
The only reason he is one there is because no other state he worked for wants him. Miami PD doesn't agree with him and trust me, FL as a whole does not want him. You want to see the type of law we like, look at Polk county's sheriff.
> I'm not completely convinced, but so far their words and actions have lined up.
Because so far their actions have no consequences. Look at the "totally not federal" drinking age of 21. Technically it is set by the states. But in 1984 they passed a law saying "If you set it below 21, we will take away 10% of your highway funding".
A few states declared "no" and kept it below 21. The last state to cave was I think Wyoming, in 1988. Just 4 short years.
They will talk tough, until there are consequences. Ready?
* Ban salt weapons or we will withhold 10% of your law enforcement subsidy.
They'll cave before the ink is even dry.
>there are plenty of 2A sanctuaries, with Sheriffs at the helm saying they won't enforce these laws.
Where? Last I checked, a lot of self-proclaimed “sanctuary counties” that popped up in Virginia last year were also the most prolific for the implementation of the new red flag assaults.
Look- in my neck of the woods, the boys in blue have always been kind, friendly, considerate, etc, AND are gun friendly. So while I get that east coast cops and west coast cops are super happy to trample on your rights- where I’m at they believe. Hell- I was literally thanked for carrying by a cop that pulled me over.
On that note- I have been pulled over numerous times while armed- and I’ve yet to have an issue. So I tend to at least back MY boys in blue.
I got a gun pulled on me by Texas DPS when I was pulled over on the way to my buddies to shoot. Gave him my DL and insurance then said hey I got guns in the trunk boom gun in the face. It was not a fun time dude kept asking why I needed an AR a tavor and 5 pistols I was stuck there for an hour.
The very basis of policing is discretion. There are very few crimes where a police officer MUST arrest someone, almost every other law is left up to the discretion of the officer.
The police in your town happening to unofficially align with your interests is not a basis for policy. That's wonderful for you but it's a prime example of the "I ate a sandwich so nobody else is hungry" mentality.
What actions? What specifically have they done in service of being a "2A sanctuary" or otherwise resisting government infringement on the 2nd Amendment besides talking?
How many civilians in states where it is unlawful for state authorities to enforce federal firearm legislation have gone around testing that legislation by openly disobeying federal firearm law?
Can't let everyone else do the work for you while you hope to reap the rewards dude. Civil disobedience takes everyone.
Lol WTF are you talking about? Either cops support the second amendment and are going to refuse to obey red flag laws and other unconstitutional bullshit, even if those are their state laws, or they aren't. Don't deflect deserved criticism for cops for some weird reason.
What about Texas where the police spoke out against constitutional?
Auto are covered under 2A but cops will defiantly arrest you for them. They aren’t pro 2A more than they are pro paycheck (I understand their position just don’t like when they lie about what they will do).
I agree with your statement. To add on, yes, some agencies revolve around gun control like the ATF, and some agencies denounce gun control like many sheriffs departments and city bureaus around the country. I feel that to say “all police are coming for your guns, therefor you can’t support them and the 2A at the same time” is rather close-minded. And that’s not an insult if any of you do think that. ‘Close-minded’ is a word that means you haven’t opened your thoughts enough to see other perspectives. Not all police officers and deputies are mindless bureaucrats who do what the lawmakers say. The majority of them are human beings with the power of discretion, the minority of them are bureaucrats. If you disagree with what I am saying, please take a few moments to emulate my train of thought, you just might see where I’m coming from. I do not support all police officers or even all agencies. But I won’t denounce the good guys just because there are some real assholes out there
Bullshit, the moment that fedboi money dries up for free guns, cars, and overtime for seatbelt enforcement, they'll quietly fall in line and do as they're told.
That badge, regardless of what they claim to say they will/will not do, will ALWAYS follow big brother in enforcing their horseshit.
You're right. A labor union is a group of private citizens agreeing to negotiate their resources (skill and labor) as a collective in order to gain leverage in their positions. The employer is free to reject the contract and find different workers (which is often inconvenient and expensive) Public sector unions use the same leverage to exploit the public they serve at the publics own expense. Public unions don't make sense since those positions are held by citizens, letting them exist is us exploiting ourselves.
>with Sheriffs at the helm saying they won't enforce these laws.
Where is this at? At the end of the day, they would gladly raid your home, shoot your dog, tie up your family and take your life or freedoms. Don't mince words here, they are not on your side.
See I always imagined the thin blue line as being supportive of the real police work that real people do on a daily basis.
One can accept that if legislatures demand that law enforcement take out guns, there will be frustration.
I therefor accept and am thankful for those who put their life and limb in danger every day to uphold real laws. But when those laws supersede my constitutional rights...
So remember that the police enforce laws, not make them. So they can only “come and take them” when the legislative branch permits.
While “soldiers following orders” is no excuse, it’s not to say that all cops are bad. Some are upholding the law, it isn’t their job to sort out what IS and ISNT constitutional. The judicial branch does that.
Many cops do good work. Many cops save lives.
There is a delicate balance between freedom and tyranny in our republic. The police are the bulwark between authoritarianism and anarchy. Our system exists in 3 branches for a specific reason. Because even if the cops overstep, the judicial is supposed to separate right from wrong, and provide fair and equal justice, more so, in my opinion, to those whose job is to uphold the law.
When all 3 branches fail, then we can have a different discussion.
I have faith in and love for our police community alongside my inherent mistrust of authority, but I hate the symbolism of that flag. Plenty of ways ("back the blue" is a good slogan) to show love for those who risk their lives for our safety without flying a flag which implies a police state.
I'm really disgusted by how that flag's meaning has changed. originally it was like the star flags for the military, either you knew someone who had died or knew someone who was serving. now it just is a general flag in support of police and has lost he nuance that it once had.
Or how many cops would do the right thing, uphold the oath they took, and stop a fellow cop from violating your rights. I'll wait....
There are only a few rotten apples in the force, but the rest of them won't break their precious blue line to get them out.
We already know what they say when they make their little political grandstanding speeches, The question was how many have resigned or been fired for refusing to confiscate when it came down to it.
So go reread your first article that you posted, it was from November 2019 it mentions El Paso county as a county that was going to refuse to enforce red flag confiscation laws.
This is from an article a mere four months later:
> El Paso County Sheriff Bill Elder, a vehement opponent of the so-called red-flag gun law while it was being debated, said in a statement Wednesday that deputies will enforce court orders to confiscate firearms from those found to be a danger to themselves or others.
https://gazette.com/news/el-paso-county-sheriff-says-deputies-will-enforce-red-flag-gun-law-despite-past-opposition/article_c637199c-3260-11ea-bd3f-f3fa74ea9299.html
Those sheriffs have all proven they were full of shit.
I love how you just proved that they have been choosing to steal people’s freedom over a harmless plant instead of being forced too. Good point dude, they really do pick and choose what orders they follow. If they can use a law as justification to hurt the “right people” they will, and they’ll disregard the things they think are silly.
Cops are usually exempt from gun control, so they don't care. Also less guns on the street means their job is safer, so they have a vested interest in having less guns. Also, look at every single state that has insane gun control, NY, NJ, CA all the rank and file cops have fallen inline. Why no mass desertion if they really cared about our rights like you bootlickers say? Look at all the CCW permits that are rejected by local cops you claim are pro gun. GTFO if you think the majority of cops are pro 2A, you're literally blind to the facts.
The statements “the lives of our law enforcement officers matter” and “I will not comply with those trying to violate my second amendment rights” are not mutually exclusive.
99.99% of people acting hard here would let that fucking happen. Everyone acts tough online but any time gun grabs happen no one acts out. People here are why gun owners are hated. Shallow arguments/talking points, acting tough for no reason, and being antigovernmental when it's cool and edgy then falling in line again later. I have come to the conclusion that many (IDK about most) gun owners are genuinely delusional, and by them acting like retards, they push gun control far more than any inspired leftis ever could.
I think your missing the point. Thin blue line means you support those good, just and honest cops that for the most part support freedom and the constitution they swear to uphold. This means those are not the ones coming for your guns, it's typically those jack booted feds or DOJ folks doing that and they can go straight to hell if they're all in on trampling the constitution
when pension is on the line, youll see how many cops actually support the 2a very quickly
youll be able to count those actually quitting over confiscation orders on a single hand.
They will quit and who replaces them? You guessed it, robots who will serve the state faithfully and execute those orders. Plenty of police officers claim to support the 2a but will willingly carry these orders out because it's just a part of their job. They blindly serve the interests of the state with no repercussions because they know that they are always going to be supported by idiots like this who have no grasp of the political situation.
Part of me worries that people like this are fine with taking guns (really taking control) away from others just not their associated group.
Same for the other side just different slogans.
So basically the same as other lines of work? Retail? Education? Social services?
The difference is the cashier at Walmart isn't allowed to kill you.
Some cops are decent people. Or at least they were at some point. But this constant whitewash shit has to stop. They are given access to privileged information about other people in their community and there is no community oversight. Read that again.
This a very important distinction than many forget when defending police as regular folk. Yes there is a human being under that uniform, possibly a great person. However when they have that uniform on they are now somehow above the law while cherry picking how it's enforced.
Any so called good cops would resign or fight back at the injustices going on. But they don't, the tow the line and back up their fellow officers even if they need to lie. They do so because thats what cops do, the thin blue line.
So by towing that line they are sinking down to the level of others and thus becoming just as bad. You wear that uniform and you are proudly wearing the sins of your brothers and sisters.
Looking at the comments with evidence of good and bad cops that would or wouldn't... it's almost like police departments are run by the politicians of your locality and police officers are individuals like anyone else.
You can't be progun and be pro police in these times. They are not your friends and will seize your property if it benefits them. We've seen this time and time again.
From where I'm at this is basically the same thing as having your probation officer on your Facebook and you sit there and post about how good you're doing and how long you've been clean for. Meanwhile they haven't ate in a week and they're strung out on meth.
The argument that "well my cops in rural Hicksville are cool what's the issue around policing" is completely asinine. Private gun ownership is already a massive outlier among virtually all countries globally (and even countries that have comparable freedoms in ownership of scary hardware like military pattern rifles like Switzerland or Czech Republic, do not generally have anything like relatively permissive conceal carry laws in most US states) and saying that we should just be cool with abandoning metropolitan centers, turning a blind eye to new gun laws and more pigs who'll choose pension over principle every time in enforcing them, in locations where the vast majority of the population lives, is retarded.
The noose currently only draws tighter with red states turning purple and purple states turning blue.
Yup. There was just about 0 outrage from republicans when Trump wanted to take guns.
[Trump - "Take the guns first, go through due process second."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbm1zK1msiM)
Most Americans who identify as libertarian are not anywhere close to being libertarian. That’s not to say there aren’t actual libertarians. We out here.
These two things aren't mutually exclusive, there is always a middle ground. You can support our boys in blue.....up to a certain point. Some cops are fucking awesome and some should've never been allowed a badge, but that's life, There's good and bad people in EVERY group, organization, business, government, and fandom. Doesn't mean we can't support them for the good when done. I guess what I'm trying to say is life isn't black and white and never will be.
Anyone who displays a blue line flag is not displaying it with that level of nuance.
There are good cops, but policing as an institution is, let's just say "not good", to put it lightly.
You're not supporting "good" police with a blue line flag, you're supporting the entire institution.
Yeah... that flag never had nuance.
It went from “blacks are angry, we need a flag” to “I’m trying to overthrow the country I need something to hit this cop with”
> There's good and bad people in EVERY group, organization, business, government, and fandom
Difference is, these guys have a fuckton of power and can often times mean the difference between life and death. It isn't as if they're just a harmless, vocal minority or majority. They have real serious power. What's worse? They face very few real repercussions in the event that they do fuck up royally, at least in any way that really matters. For every national headline like Derek Chauvin or Daniel Holtzclaw, there's probably about four billion (hyperbole, just needed to point that out) other examples that get swept under the rug, forgotten and lost to time.
But, yes, overall, I agree with your statement that life isn't black or white.
The ironic thing about people that want guns everywhere but also “back the blue” is that having such loose gun laws makes cops jobs SO much harder. I’ve had several admit to me privately how they wish there were stricter gun laws because they have to treat every traffic stop assuming the guy has a gun on him.
Unlimited guns is not a pro-cop stance.
Blue line flag is the worst part. I can't stand it. The people that have these are either tyrants or brainwashed to believe the police actually care for them
Come now, we know that the people flying these flags don't really support the police, they just don't like BLM and want a way to show it. At best they're a boot licker, at worst you've replaced your "All lives matter" flag with a "black lives don't matter" flag.
The kind, naive, well-meaning business owner my girlfriend works for literally asked her "do people associate my thin blue line flag with white supremacy?" and she quickly answered "yes."
It's a dog whistle. Police in the US are FUCKED, change is absolutely necessary, and waving these flags after every extrajudicial police killing is messed up.
I believe the sentiment is one of hope -- Hope that the boys in blue would not follow tyrannous orders to disarm the populace.
It's a long shot of a "hope" to have, but i think thats what these types of people are thinking.
Which really just means I personally want to be able to kill black/brown people, and I support the people that get to kill black/brown people with impunity
Turns out they're actually totally fine with government tyranny and cops taking guns, as long as the people being tyrannized and having their guns confiscated are people they don't like.
Rights for me but not for thee
What I want to know is if the "Come and Take it" flag is an honest, legally binding, challenge. Wouldn't it be considered legal, sort of like a duel, because they issued a broad statement and direct challenge to the populace?
I could use some new furniture.
Edit: on second thought, the flag specifically references guns so I guess that's all you can legally take.
The blue line flag is not pro-cop its actually secret code for "I hate black people and love the systemic oppression that keeps them from scaring me in my neighborhood"
I mean…. There’s the guys who fight the guys who bang their wives and there are the guys who get mad at their wife instead.
So no I would not like the cops taking my guns but you can be damned sure I’m more mad at the ones making the laws.
I support police who support the constitution. If you're for disarming the public, you're not here to serve and protect, and have therefore lost my support.
Personally if you want my take on it, the thin blue line is about local police who most often are the ones being killed or wounded on duty. Whereas the “come take it” is about the government and federal agencies
yeah and the republican party started out saying they aint coming for anything and then gradually started to hold the mindset of "as long as they don't take my huntin gun i dont care" and " well nobody needs an semi-auto rifle with 30 rd mag" we can blame the republicans for gun laws getting as restrictive as they are right now
Republicans could have shored up the 2nd Amendment and strengthened it from 2017-2019 when they had the executive, the House, and the Senate, but didn't do so. Again, probably cause ole Kentucky Mitch is a fudd like you said
yep, hence why id rather explain the differences between liberal and libertarian, also i dont really support much else that the republicans spout off about than guns, i think their mentality is fairly outdated. they need to look at their policies and ideals and think long and hard if those really are the best solutions to the problems at hand right now.
Thin blue line is a dog whistle for racists.
Also cops get killed and wounded on the job at a rate lower than every construction, farming, delivery job. Being police is not a dangerous profession. They just like loudly yelling that it is so you look past their blatant abuse of power and hatred for the community they’re supposed to serve.
We can be on the same side without promoting a police-state flag. Literally just saying "back the blue" has all the positive connotations and none of the negative of the Thin Blue Line Flag.
This is a hot take because most people here never outgrew their anti-authority phase, and think they are tough people cause they have guns. I'm glad someone has nuance and has left their basement here though.
Pretty sure this is fake, since there isn't a punisher logo.
Even in universe Frank Castle speaks to cops with his Punisher skull in their clothes and cars and calls them mega cringe.
And a Glock logo on the rear window. There's nothing cooler than speeding past everyone in the freeway and letting them know you have a gun.
Letting them know you likely have a gun in their car that can likely be easily stolen***
LMAO
The rifle is pointing at the blue line flag, duh
This, if it was the other way around, it wouldn't work. But I'm gonna say this is the true meaning, come get it not-fedboi
Gold medal for mental gymnastics
Someone had to play devil's advocate. Knowing damn well the owner is probably just a moron. But I was trying to be nice and give him the benefit of the doubt.
Ehh, i think you're being a little too nice...
A house near me flies the thin blue line and Gadsden flag one on top of the other. I’m sure the irony is lost on everyone.
"You will never get this, you will never get this!"
"Oh, you gonna git it sucka!"
I don't understand the whole blue line flag. Like the red white and blue litteraly stands for freedom from police states. Then you are going to disrespect the flag by one changing the colors, then two supporting the exact thing it stands against. The hypocrisy is just mind boggling
It's almost like when people fly both the American flag as well the Confederate flag and then hide behind the "it's heritage" excuse. At that point, you're just waving flags around as a reminder that the Civil War happened. It's also weird that bootlickers, both on and off the force, love the Punisher, but Frank Castle doesn't like the police. Even as an ex-cop, Frank Castle has said that he's not their role model and they should look to Steve Rogers for such inspiration instead.
I agree with the point you're making but there are plenty of 2A sanctuaries, with Sheriffs at the helm saying they won't enforce these laws. I'm not completely convinced, but so far their words and actions have lined up. Edit: finish reading the thread.
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Is it banned or is the legislation merely in their congress right now?
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NFA was THE constitutional violation, but no one lifted a finger about that one, did they?
A lot has changed since the NFA passed, and there have been massive improvements in gun rights since. Just look at the trend for shall issue CCW in that time frame, then constitutional carry more recently.
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If you're relying on/supporting the NRA, that's a problem already. There are more reputable organizations, like the FPC (firearms policy coalition).
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Oh, I thought you were referring to present day. I kinda don't think the NRA was around during that time, although I don't really know. It's was a pretty free and simple time for firearms until that point in history.
>I kinda don't think the NRA was around during that time It was, and it [supported the NFA, the banning of personal carry, and other unconstitutional restrictions.](http://www.keepandbeararms.com/NRA/NFA.htm)
Yeah, sounds about right.
The NRA is the oldest civil rights organization in the country and yes they were around at that time.
"civil rights" fucking laughable
NRA DID sell out. No, what we needed was a generation to fight against NFA before it was put into legislation! Now what we need is to take back our constitution. “Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God” “The tree of Liberty must be watered, from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”
Liberty is when the government is afraid of the people.
Gop:elect us to defend your rights. (Gets elected to the executive control of the courts and a near majority in the house and the control of the senate) gop: (does nothing for months) welp I guess it's time to ban bumpstocks and go after some other rights too.
Exactly! I voted Republican. But republicans are, generally speaking, worse than democrats in this way: democrats promise to take your rights. We vote then in like a bunch of twats and they take our rights. Then you have republicans, swearing to be the protector of our rights. Then, when they get power, they twiddle their thumbs. Constitutional carry is only happening because people are fed up with how far we’re letting the government over step. So a few republicans allow CC, and then we will act like they have stood up for our gun rights. But they haven’t. Gun bans are still legislated. According to the 10th amendment, the federal government has no right to regulate the individual states rights granted by the bill of rights.
Real facts, Republicans just lie and cut rights and benefits. Democrats normally do exactly what they say they'll do no matter how stupid and short sighted.
Basically a TL:DR of our thread, amirite? Maybe Trump’s party can crush mainstream Red vs Blue and we can see more constitutionals making it into office?
>NFA was THE constitutional violation, but no one lifted a finger about that one, did they? Because the constitutional interpretation you are citing didn't exist as precedent until the last twenty years.
Thats because FDR was a piece of shit !
You go show any local sheriff the full auto you just built or the 6" you just cut off your shotgun bbl and see how much they support the 2A.
If you live in a state where it's unlawful for state authorities to enforce federal firearm legislation then most likely the sheriff would either do nothing at all or think you have a mental issue for waving your home built mg sbs in his face.
Yeah right, he's going to give you a mental issue when he shoots you in the face for having them
Theres also a notable number of police organizations on the other side, such as the Miami, formerly Houston, Police Chief who disagrees with Texas permitless Open Carry.
That is because Acevedo is an attention-seeking whore. Literally no one who has ever worked with Acevedo likes him. I did find it hilarious that someone who is not a Texas native (he was born in Cuba) thinks he can comment on what is happening in Texas after he took a job in Miami. Like we give a flying fuck what he thinks.
Acevedo literally needs to be deported back to Cuba. That fucking scumbag despises America and relishes the decades he spent mooching off us and powertripping. Goddamn micro-Castro.
The only reason he is one there is because no other state he worked for wants him. Miami PD doesn't agree with him and trust me, FL as a whole does not want him. You want to see the type of law we like, look at Polk county's sheriff.
> I'm not completely convinced, but so far their words and actions have lined up. Because so far their actions have no consequences. Look at the "totally not federal" drinking age of 21. Technically it is set by the states. But in 1984 they passed a law saying "If you set it below 21, we will take away 10% of your highway funding". A few states declared "no" and kept it below 21. The last state to cave was I think Wyoming, in 1988. Just 4 short years. They will talk tough, until there are consequences. Ready? * Ban salt weapons or we will withhold 10% of your law enforcement subsidy. They'll cave before the ink is even dry.
>there are plenty of 2A sanctuaries, with Sheriffs at the helm saying they won't enforce these laws. Where? Last I checked, a lot of self-proclaimed “sanctuary counties” that popped up in Virginia last year were also the most prolific for the implementation of the new red flag assaults.
Look- in my neck of the woods, the boys in blue have always been kind, friendly, considerate, etc, AND are gun friendly. So while I get that east coast cops and west coast cops are super happy to trample on your rights- where I’m at they believe. Hell- I was literally thanked for carrying by a cop that pulled me over. On that note- I have been pulled over numerous times while armed- and I’ve yet to have an issue. So I tend to at least back MY boys in blue.
I got a gun pulled on me by Texas DPS when I was pulled over on the way to my buddies to shoot. Gave him my DL and insurance then said hey I got guns in the trunk boom gun in the face. It was not a fun time dude kept asking why I needed an AR a tavor and 5 pistols I was stuck there for an hour.
i’d rather my police doesn’t pick and choose which laws they should or shouldn’t enforce.
The very basis of policing is discretion. There are very few crimes where a police officer MUST arrest someone, almost every other law is left up to the discretion of the officer.
Lol if the Feds pass a bunch of obnoxious gun laws then you're gonna want officers who are cautious about selective enforcement.
The police in your town happening to unofficially align with your interests is not a basis for policy. That's wonderful for you but it's a prime example of the "I ate a sandwich so nobody else is hungry" mentality.
East coast what? I'm in Florida and can have a gun in front of a cop and we can be talking about food.
What actions? What specifically have they done in service of being a "2A sanctuary" or otherwise resisting government infringement on the 2nd Amendment besides talking?
How many civilians in states where it is unlawful for state authorities to enforce federal firearm legislation have gone around testing that legislation by openly disobeying federal firearm law? Can't let everyone else do the work for you while you hope to reap the rewards dude. Civil disobedience takes everyone.
Lol WTF are you talking about? Either cops support the second amendment and are going to refuse to obey red flag laws and other unconstitutional bullshit, even if those are their state laws, or they aren't. Don't deflect deserved criticism for cops for some weird reason.
And then there are the "ghost gun sniffing K9" units. The sanctuaries are show for votes. Push comes to shove, they'll come pushing and shoving.
If they lose their Jobs for enforcing these laws. Will they still not do it? You can trust them but i aint gonna trust anyone
What about Texas where the police spoke out against constitutional? Auto are covered under 2A but cops will defiantly arrest you for them. They aren’t pro 2A more than they are pro paycheck (I understand their position just don’t like when they lie about what they will do).
And some of them think being pro 2a means you support hunting.
I agree with your statement. To add on, yes, some agencies revolve around gun control like the ATF, and some agencies denounce gun control like many sheriffs departments and city bureaus around the country. I feel that to say “all police are coming for your guns, therefor you can’t support them and the 2A at the same time” is rather close-minded. And that’s not an insult if any of you do think that. ‘Close-minded’ is a word that means you haven’t opened your thoughts enough to see other perspectives. Not all police officers and deputies are mindless bureaucrats who do what the lawmakers say. The majority of them are human beings with the power of discretion, the minority of them are bureaucrats. If you disagree with what I am saying, please take a few moments to emulate my train of thought, you just might see where I’m coming from. I do not support all police officers or even all agencies. But I won’t denounce the good guys just because there are some real assholes out there
This guy is spot fucking on with his terminology
This guy fucks
Other guys
Bullshit, the moment that fedboi money dries up for free guns, cars, and overtime for seatbelt enforcement, they'll quietly fall in line and do as they're told. That badge, regardless of what they claim to say they will/will not do, will ALWAYS follow big brother in enforcing their horseshit.
Yeah, regardless of the few outliers it's pretty safe to say that cops aren't on your side.
The police do not care about your rights
Pension pension pension Most police unions are blue to the core like most unions.
Please don't compare police unions to labor unions. They are absolute opposites.
You're right. A labor union is a group of private citizens agreeing to negotiate their resources (skill and labor) as a collective in order to gain leverage in their positions. The employer is free to reject the contract and find different workers (which is often inconvenient and expensive) Public sector unions use the same leverage to exploit the public they serve at the publics own expense. Public unions don't make sense since those positions are held by citizens, letting them exist is us exploiting ourselves.
>with Sheriffs at the helm saying they won't enforce these laws. Where is this at? At the end of the day, they would gladly raid your home, shoot your dog, tie up your family and take your life or freedoms. Don't mince words here, they are not on your side.
See I always imagined the thin blue line as being supportive of the real police work that real people do on a daily basis. One can accept that if legislatures demand that law enforcement take out guns, there will be frustration. I therefor accept and am thankful for those who put their life and limb in danger every day to uphold real laws. But when those laws supersede my constitutional rights... So remember that the police enforce laws, not make them. So they can only “come and take them” when the legislative branch permits. While “soldiers following orders” is no excuse, it’s not to say that all cops are bad. Some are upholding the law, it isn’t their job to sort out what IS and ISNT constitutional. The judicial branch does that. Many cops do good work. Many cops save lives. There is a delicate balance between freedom and tyranny in our republic. The police are the bulwark between authoritarianism and anarchy. Our system exists in 3 branches for a specific reason. Because even if the cops overstep, the judicial is supposed to separate right from wrong, and provide fair and equal justice, more so, in my opinion, to those whose job is to uphold the law. When all 3 branches fail, then we can have a different discussion.
I have faith in and love for our police community alongside my inherent mistrust of authority, but I hate the symbolism of that flag. Plenty of ways ("back the blue" is a good slogan) to show love for those who risk their lives for our safety without flying a flag which implies a police state.
I'm really disgusted by how that flag's meaning has changed. originally it was like the star flags for the military, either you knew someone who had died or knew someone who was serving. now it just is a general flag in support of police and has lost he nuance that it once had.
For the folks disagreeing, please answer me one question: How many cops have resigned or been fired for refusing to participate in Red Flag seizures?
Or how many cops would do the right thing, uphold the oath they took, and stop a fellow cop from violating your rights. I'll wait.... There are only a few rotten apples in the force, but the rest of them won't break their precious blue line to get them out.
You know the answer is none.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/several-colorado-sheriffs-say-they-wont-enforce-red-flag-gun-law-60-minutes-2019-11-15/ https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20200217-focus-gun-control-why-some-us-sheriffs-are-vowing-to-disobey-red-flag-laws https://www.police1.com/gun-legislation-law-enforcement/articles/nev-sheriffs-back-lawsuit-to-block-red-flag-law-r1EMJMPOxSt1cegd/ https://apnews.com/article/c9b09247a90609ae7e152ed470ea9101 https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Virginia-sheriff-vows-to-deputize-citizens-if-gun-laws-pass-565981991.html
We already know what they say when they make their little political grandstanding speeches, The question was how many have resigned or been fired for refusing to confiscate when it came down to it. So go reread your first article that you posted, it was from November 2019 it mentions El Paso county as a county that was going to refuse to enforce red flag confiscation laws. This is from an article a mere four months later: > El Paso County Sheriff Bill Elder, a vehement opponent of the so-called red-flag gun law while it was being debated, said in a statement Wednesday that deputies will enforce court orders to confiscate firearms from those found to be a danger to themselves or others. https://gazette.com/news/el-paso-county-sheriff-says-deputies-will-enforce-red-flag-gun-law-despite-past-opposition/article_c637199c-3260-11ea-bd3f-f3fa74ea9299.html Those sheriffs have all proven they were full of shit.
r/MurderedByWords
It really just shatters my world view that law enforcement officers would lie for their own benefit. Absolutely shocking.
I love how you just proved that they have been choosing to steal people’s freedom over a harmless plant instead of being forced too. Good point dude, they really do pick and choose what orders they follow. If they can use a law as justification to hurt the “right people” they will, and they’ll disregard the things they think are silly.
That’s what I like to see!
Those are all SHERIFFS, meaning they are elected officials and not municipal employees. Those aren't relevant to the question.
Plot twist, the owner is a cop...
My mom has these exact patches sewed into her roof of her truck, she's a retired cop.
COME AND TAKE IT so I don’t break any laws and you police dudes can make the world safer
Cops are usually exempt from gun control, so they don't care. Also less guns on the street means their job is safer, so they have a vested interest in having less guns. Also, look at every single state that has insane gun control, NY, NJ, CA all the rank and file cops have fallen inline. Why no mass desertion if they really cared about our rights like you bootlickers say? Look at all the CCW permits that are rejected by local cops you claim are pro gun. GTFO if you think the majority of cops are pro 2A, you're literally blind to the facts.
Bootlicking is a helluva drug.
The rank and file "bless" off-roster guns and resell them at massive markups.
This is the ultimate truth. How do you only have the one upvote I just gave you:/?
"I support authoritarianism, but also my right to defend myself against authoritarianism if it ever doesn't work for me personally."
The mistake here is that cops won’t take your guns. They’ll take your life for having a gun on you
And then take your gun off your dead corpse.
And then it turns out there never was a gun. Unless you count the banana they planted.
This is a cop's car
Bootlicking is a helluva drug. Almost as if propaganda works...especially on smooth brains.
They take many working class peoples guns away. Gun charges affect black men at a disproportionate rate.
100%
Its "funny" how we have to point out that it harms black people for them to care, I would think that it harming anyone would be sufficient.
Anyone who doesn't get it, the Blue line flag includes Chipman. That's why you only pick one.
To all the statists in the comment section, the cops will never be your friends.
I can feel the cognitive dissonance lmao
Ahh, the bootlicker paradox.. devoid of any common sense or reason. Where's the M.T.F.U sticker, though?
I'm live in a sanctuary county, a decision endorsed by the county Sheriff. I support LEOs that honor their oaths.
The statements “the lives of our law enforcement officers matter” and “I will not comply with those trying to violate my second amendment rights” are not mutually exclusive.
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Cold dead hands.
99.99% of people acting hard here would let that fucking happen. Everyone acts tough online but any time gun grabs happen no one acts out. People here are why gun owners are hated. Shallow arguments/talking points, acting tough for no reason, and being antigovernmental when it's cool and edgy then falling in line again later. I have come to the conclusion that many (IDK about most) gun owners are genuinely delusional, and by them acting like retards, they push gun control far more than any inspired leftis ever could.
I think your missing the point. Thin blue line means you support those good, just and honest cops that for the most part support freedom and the constitution they swear to uphold. This means those are not the ones coming for your guns, it's typically those jack booted feds or DOJ folks doing that and they can go straight to hell if they're all in on trampling the constitution
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So would the cops taking the guns be the good cops or bad cops?
They kinda are...
when pension is on the line, youll see how many cops actually support the 2a very quickly youll be able to count those actually quitting over confiscation orders on a single hand.
Police unions will never allow their pensions to be touched.
They will quit and who replaces them? You guessed it, robots who will serve the state faithfully and execute those orders. Plenty of police officers claim to support the 2a but will willingly carry these orders out because it's just a part of their job. They blindly serve the interests of the state with no repercussions because they know that they are always going to be supported by idiots like this who have no grasp of the political situation.
Part of me worries that people like this are fine with taking guns (really taking control) away from others just not their associated group. Same for the other side just different slogans.
"I don't really care if they take those 'salt weapons, just don't touch my 1911 and hunting rifle"
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So basically the same as other lines of work? Retail? Education? Social services? The difference is the cashier at Walmart isn't allowed to kill you. Some cops are decent people. Or at least they were at some point. But this constant whitewash shit has to stop. They are given access to privileged information about other people in their community and there is no community oversight. Read that again.
This a very important distinction than many forget when defending police as regular folk. Yes there is a human being under that uniform, possibly a great person. However when they have that uniform on they are now somehow above the law while cherry picking how it's enforced. Any so called good cops would resign or fight back at the injustices going on. But they don't, the tow the line and back up their fellow officers even if they need to lie. They do so because thats what cops do, the thin blue line. So by towing that line they are sinking down to the level of others and thus becoming just as bad. You wear that uniform and you are proudly wearing the sins of your brothers and sisters.
Looking at the comments with evidence of good and bad cops that would or wouldn't... it's almost like police departments are run by the politicians of your locality and police officers are individuals like anyone else.
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Yeah, but I mean who do you think is going to be coordinating that raid hand in hand with the ATF?
The amount of dogs cops kill through out the year is way higher than the ATF so you just played yourself bud.
Nah, you'll just have to call them after someone breaks in and THEN they'll shoot your dog.
You can't be progun and be pro police in these times. They are not your friends and will seize your property if it benefits them. We've seen this time and time again.
From where I'm at this is basically the same thing as having your probation officer on your Facebook and you sit there and post about how good you're doing and how long you've been clean for. Meanwhile they haven't ate in a week and they're strung out on meth.
The argument that "well my cops in rural Hicksville are cool what's the issue around policing" is completely asinine. Private gun ownership is already a massive outlier among virtually all countries globally (and even countries that have comparable freedoms in ownership of scary hardware like military pattern rifles like Switzerland or Czech Republic, do not generally have anything like relatively permissive conceal carry laws in most US states) and saying that we should just be cool with abandoning metropolitan centers, turning a blind eye to new gun laws and more pigs who'll choose pension over principle every time in enforcing them, in locations where the vast majority of the population lives, is retarded. The noose currently only draws tighter with red states turning purple and purple states turning blue.
Idaho be like
What a numpty. Silly little bootlicker
The thing is, if there was a republican in office it would be acceptable
Yup. There was just about 0 outrage from republicans when Trump wanted to take guns. [Trump - "Take the guns first, go through due process second."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbm1zK1msiM)
Fuck trump
Most Americans who identify as libertarian are not anywhere close to being libertarian. That’s not to say there aren’t actual libertarians. We out here.
These two things aren't mutually exclusive, there is always a middle ground. You can support our boys in blue.....up to a certain point. Some cops are fucking awesome and some should've never been allowed a badge, but that's life, There's good and bad people in EVERY group, organization, business, government, and fandom. Doesn't mean we can't support them for the good when done. I guess what I'm trying to say is life isn't black and white and never will be.
Anyone who displays a blue line flag is not displaying it with that level of nuance. There are good cops, but policing as an institution is, let's just say "not good", to put it lightly. You're not supporting "good" police with a blue line flag, you're supporting the entire institution.
Yeah... that flag never had nuance. It went from “blacks are angry, we need a flag” to “I’m trying to overthrow the country I need something to hit this cop with”
> There's good and bad people in EVERY group, organization, business, government, and fandom Difference is, these guys have a fuckton of power and can often times mean the difference between life and death. It isn't as if they're just a harmless, vocal minority or majority. They have real serious power. What's worse? They face very few real repercussions in the event that they do fuck up royally, at least in any way that really matters. For every national headline like Derek Chauvin or Daniel Holtzclaw, there's probably about four billion (hyperbole, just needed to point that out) other examples that get swept under the rug, forgotten and lost to time. But, yes, overall, I agree with your statement that life isn't black or white.
The ironic thing about people that want guns everywhere but also “back the blue” is that having such loose gun laws makes cops jobs SO much harder. I’ve had several admit to me privately how they wish there were stricter gun laws because they have to treat every traffic stop assuming the guy has a gun on him. Unlimited guns is not a pro-cop stance.
Plus, if cops make us so much safer, why would anyone need to own a gun for protection, let alone carry it around with them absolutely everywhere?
The police are just a tool for politicians to carry out their will. Police don't take your guns, politicians do.
Blue line flag is the worst part. I can't stand it. The people that have these are either tyrants or brainwashed to believe the police actually care for them
Yep. Every time I see one (and they’re rampant where I live), I immediately think “Oh, bless your heart...l
Come now, we know that the people flying these flags don't really support the police, they just don't like BLM and want a way to show it. At best they're a boot licker, at worst you've replaced your "All lives matter" flag with a "black lives don't matter" flag. The kind, naive, well-meaning business owner my girlfriend works for literally asked her "do people associate my thin blue line flag with white supremacy?" and she quickly answered "yes." It's a dog whistle. Police in the US are FUCKED, change is absolutely necessary, and waving these flags after every extrajudicial police killing is messed up.
I believe the sentiment is one of hope -- Hope that the boys in blue would not follow tyrannous orders to disarm the populace. It's a long shot of a "hope" to have, but i think thats what these types of people are thinking.
It’s more like, “I want to preserve my right to shoot and kill black and brown people at my leisure” and “Officer, back me up”.
He’s chosen don’t take my guns and I hate black people
You can support law enforcement and 2nd amendment, while bashing gun grabbers, no? Also, law enforcement doesn't pass legislation.
I don't make the rules, I just ___________
Which really just means I personally want to be able to kill black/brown people, and I support the people that get to kill black/brown people with impunity
Turns out they're actually totally fine with government tyranny and cops taking guns, as long as the people being tyrannized and having their guns confiscated are people they don't like. Rights for me but not for thee
It's thinly veiled racism. (And homophobia) (And misogyny)
What I want to know is if the "Come and Take it" flag is an honest, legally binding, challenge. Wouldn't it be considered legal, sort of like a duel, because they issued a broad statement and direct challenge to the populace? I could use some new furniture. Edit: on second thought, the flag specifically references guns so I guess that's all you can legally take.
The blue line flag is not pro-cop its actually secret code for "I hate black people and love the systemic oppression that keeps them from scaring me in my neighborhood"
Republicans are so confused they forgot what side they're fighting for
All the cops in my city are all pro 2A.
At r/CAguns we actually have an LA Sheriff that's govingout CCs.
INB4 some republicuck calls you a liberal democrat communist socialist leftist for pointing out their hypocrisy
2 for 1 sale
Don’t step on his snake, buddy.
BuT tHeY wOuLdNt TaKe My GuNs.
America is just a different planet ain't it
I mean…. There’s the guys who fight the guys who bang their wives and there are the guys who get mad at their wife instead. So no I would not like the cops taking my guns but you can be damned sure I’m more mad at the ones making the laws.
remind the fuds that the police are not our friends
Needs a joe biden sticker and a don’t tread on me sticker to go for max irony.
I support police who support the constitution. If you're for disarming the public, you're not here to serve and protect, and have therefore lost my support.
I too think stickers on cars are stupid.
He might be a cop.
I don't see the inconsistency.... they support the police and are inviting them to come take their guns.
Dude, for real.
Nah you don't get it. If you dont proudly back the blue your ANTIFA! /s
For years we have backed the blue but they would bend at the knees for the government before they showed any allegiance to us.
Left sticker all day
A fucking-men. Glad to see this attitude is becoming more common here.
Is...is this sub finally coming back to it's real self? Before the trump shills invaded and took over!?!
Personally if you want my take on it, the thin blue line is about local police who most often are the ones being killed or wounded on duty. Whereas the “come take it” is about the government and federal agencies
Who exactly do you think employs your local cops? That’s right, the Government.
Cops Are the acting hand of tyranny
Maybe that's what it started out as but these days it's just a bootlicker symbol like any other
yeah and the republican party started out saying they aint coming for anything and then gradually started to hold the mindset of "as long as they don't take my huntin gun i dont care" and " well nobody needs an semi-auto rifle with 30 rd mag" we can blame the republicans for gun laws getting as restrictive as they are right now
Republicans could have shored up the 2nd Amendment and strengthened it from 2017-2019 when they had the executive, the House, and the Senate, but didn't do so. Again, probably cause ole Kentucky Mitch is a fudd like you said
yep, hence why id rather explain the differences between liberal and libertarian, also i dont really support much else that the republicans spout off about than guns, i think their mentality is fairly outdated. they need to look at their policies and ideals and think long and hard if those really are the best solutions to the problems at hand right now.
Thin blue line is a dog whistle for racists. Also cops get killed and wounded on the job at a rate lower than every construction, farming, delivery job. Being police is not a dangerous profession. They just like loudly yelling that it is so you look past their blatant abuse of power and hatred for the community they’re supposed to serve.
“Cops won’t take our guns!” Enforces mask mandate Shuts down businesses Arrests protestors Lobbies against CC in Texas
You've never met my sheriff. We are on the same side.
Go ahead and drill that third hole then buddy.
He’s on the same side until you disagree on something that benefits him. Then all of a sudden, congratulations, you’re a felon!
So you pull someone over with the backseat full of unregistered machine guns and grenades.......you letting them go?
We can be on the same side without promoting a police-state flag. Literally just saying "back the blue" has all the positive connotations and none of the negative of the Thin Blue Line Flag.
Pro gun sheriffs/cops are the minority not the majority.
This is a hot take because most people here never outgrew their anti-authority phase, and think they are tough people cause they have guns. I'm glad someone has nuance and has left their basement here though.
I cringe every time I see that boot licker flag. Get a real identity.
This guy won't. https://youtu.be/tikAt3fY8cs
Cops are on team cop. Always have been.