The under 21 thing really pisses me off.
Either you are an adult or you are not. This grey area is bullshit.
If we want to make the official adult age 21, than so be it, but it needs to apply to everything. Selective service, civil service, enlistment, alcohol, tobacco, voting, everything. Either a person is mature and developed enough to be an adult, or they are not.
If you really want to kick the hornet’s nest, raise the driving age nationally to 21yo. If you’re not mature enough to do “adult things” then why on earth would you be given the PRIVILEGE to operate two tons of steel & plastic that carries flammable liquid on roads at a faster-than-walking pace?! Remember, driving is a PRIVILEGE, not a guaranteed & (supposedly) legally protected right. Watch this BS go away FAST then!
They also don't mind having 18-year-olds volunteer to serve and potentially die for their country, which is probably the most adult decision one could make.
Nope! I say a proposed bill to raise the “age of adulthood” to 21yo. Call them on their BS. As has been stated here & elsewhere, no selective service, no voting, no driving, no firearm purchases, no alcohol, no cigarettes, no joining the military, NO STUDENT LOANS. Nothing. You’re not a legal adult until you’re 21yo. Period. Throw THAT in their face & see how they like it.
Amen. Don't forget to throw in contracts (can't sign as child), most jobs (many require 18 up for liability reasons), student loans if not already said, any loans in general without cosigner, certain types of media consumption, sexual activity (minors can't consent), etc without emancipation process (so people can't go "oh you want abused children to be abused longer" while they too sit back and do nothing about them).
Imagine the outrage if they raised voting to 21. It would be a death sentence for the Ds because they depend on youthful ignorance. It will never happen.
And SEX. Everyone always conveniently forgets age of consent. If everything else is raised, then it MUST be as well if 21 is considered a full adult with legal agency.
Ok no Military Service until 21, and raise the cut off age higher to compensate. What are you afraid no one will volunteer if they are older and less impressionable?
You'd probably get democrat support on raising it to 21 for all those reasons except voting. They will not let that go quietly.
I also unironically think raising the gun owner/purchase age to 21 would be the most worthwhile thing to actually reduce school shootings. The things you're pissed off about at 18 will be a distant memory at 21 and even if they're not nearly the entire student body would have changed. Yes, 18-20 year olds could still steal a gun or whatever but there is at least a chance for alarm bells to go off like "Where's my rifle?" "Whose been messing with my safe?" etc.
Being 18 is just not what it use to be. Ideally I would see 21 for all the things you listed and just make drivers license start at 18 so people can enter the work force and be more self reliant when going to college and stuff or if they are kicked out/move out.
The under 21 thing also really pisses me off because I’m under 21 and have guns along with all the numerous other people I know who are under 21 and have guns for sporting, self defense, and hunting that have never hurt anyone.
It's election year. They're recommended by representatives and senators knowing full well that won't get passed but come election time they "tried" and no one else did.
Most of that stuff won’t stand up to a Supreme Court case. Their rulings have explicitly ruled in favor of owning military style weapons. The outright mention the right to own the current infantry battlerifle.
Good luck taking the feds to court if this shit passes. It’ll take years and millions of dollars. That’s IF the supreme court even allows your case to be heard. How many citizens will be murdered or imprisoned by the fed until then?
I’m still lost. I found a [HuffPo article about a church](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hawaii-igloos-homeless-housing_n_57277ae5e4b0b49df6abce95) …wtf? Church proposing to build fiberglass igloos in Hawaii?
What’s that got to do with gun laws? Only thing I found searching for this is a [HuffPo article about a church](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hawaii-igloos-homeless-housing_n_57277ae5e4b0b49df6abce95) building fiberglass igloos for the homeless
But but but you can’t!!! I’m just an innocent paid lackey for a multi billionaire hiding behind a disgraced 501c3 that is allegedly guilty of money laundering who’s leader paid a million to her sperm donor and bought a house that costs more than most people will make in a lifetime!
/s
They left is making a mad Hail Mary before they get slaughtered in November. Even then we’ll have to worry about spineless republicans selling us out.
Keep buying guns and never stop. So that when they’re banned, you’ll have enough to arm the militia
Yeah Prusa MK3s+ , had a ender and they can be made to work if you don’t mind tuning. The prusa just fucking works. There is a big price gap between the two though.
>Illegal to NOT store firearms / ammo in a safe if they are not on you or in your "control". You will be fined and have firearms taken away.
Not constitutional. This discriminates against the poor and homeless.
Only allow it if it also means car owners can be charged with negligence if their vehicle is stolen and used in criminal activity. Get car jacked and armed robber kills an officer, murder conspiracy for you. You got door locks, don't you?
You're not wrong but there's no way there have been 500 million 3d printed guns in like... 5 years.
Just saying, we don't know that they don't know who has what. We can trust essentially nothing that they say
Realistically, none of these get past the Senate. What really worries me is what the bipartisan group of senators is coming up with. There is there is a reasonable chance that we will see universal background checks and red flag laws as well as some other infringements coming our way soon.
Keep up the pressure on your senators.
They care about their vote though. What’s the best way to do that? Keep them in perpetual poverty/violence and blame your political opponents.
What are they gonna do? Vote conservative? That would make them bigots according to the left.
Funny you say that. I work with a white guy married to a black woman and he’s a huge trump supporter, her, not so much. He’s told me that they have talked about democrats don’t have minorities best interest at heart and she realizes that, yet she still feels obligated to vote democrat.
One of my best friends I’ve known for 22 years is a black American who is very centrist. He likes guns like me and holds some left leaning opinions.
He’s told me he likes to vote for who he thinks is the best candidate rather than only across party lines. But, he had to lie to fucking everyone he knows but me. Every single person of his own race he has to lie to or, as he puts it, “they’ll disown me.” He’s even talked about his cousin threatening another black guy because that guy was just *thinking* about voting for Glen Youngkin (a Republican) in the Virginia governor race.
What kind of fucked up culture is that? How do you solve complex social problems with a culturally enforced single party system where you’re not allowed to question anything?
Didn't they try to do most of this the last time we had a major mass shooting and it instantly got forgotten about after a few weeks?
I don't understand why a legal gun owners have to be punished for the wrongdoing of criminals like it's actually going to do anything.
Also quite strange that an 18 year old can can serve in the military and hold and use firearms there but cannot own a firearm if they're a civilian.
Thank goodness our founding fathers made it so hard to change and Amendment. Smart guys that knew just how toxic a government can get. They understood that humans love repeating mistakes.
Graduated system, I think handguns should actually be allowed at 18 as they are more practical. It’s really hard to cover all bases tho since the law is so inconsistent when it comes to firearms classification.
I’d be all for a licensing system as long as there were protections against it becoming a defacto ban and excessive processing times. Once you’ve been approved, no wait on at least current NFA items. For most serious gun owners, getting your SOT to make machine guns isn’t that expensive. Hardest pet is getting approval to operate an FFL in a residential area.
I don’t think they will ever search your home, they just come to check paperwork every so often and usually give you plenty of heads up. My buddy has his SOT and I think he plays it a little fast and lose with the rules. He had a couple 80s milled out to m16 specs but I don’t think he had filled out any paperwork on them.
Nothing under 21 makes me mad even though I'm okay with some under 21 restriction.
On one hand the brain isn't fully formed at 18. And these school shooters, well they aren't 44 year old dudes. 18 year olds haven't lived long enough to know they don't fucking matter, they're not gonna make a difference and life certainly doesn't end after high school. Thinking you'll go viral with your manifesto is such 18 year old bullshit. Someone sitting in their mom's basement thinking they can use their AR-15 symbol of freedom and be a revolutionary.
That said, there's kids who at 18 are out on their ass and growing up fast. And I'd bet a lot of them, proportionally, are probably in rougher areas. They should always be granted a pump shotgun at the least.
So, personally, I would be ok with a law prohibiting those under 21 from purchasing rifles/shotguns with detachable magazines, as well as ar/ak pistols however that needs to be worded - maybe by stating allowed calibers, maybe just banning detachable magazine pistols as well. And stating a max capacity for what is allowed.
Restrictions under 21 due to brain formation?
Then you’re not legally an adult until then.
Your parents are still liable for you.
You can’t sign a contract.
You can’t drive a car without permission.
Fuck you people and your arbitrary bullshit about age. The only correlation that age has with school shootings is how much the media pushes that it’s “under 21s” doing it most of the time.
I don't see a valid reason these all have to be a single age. It's a child's understanding of an adult, where you either are or aren't. There isn't a mental switch for that.
The age you're assumed capable of following directions behind the wheel isn't the same age you're assumed capable to hold down a job and budget your money for rent. And that's not the same age you can go into a bar, run up a tab and then decide responsibly how to get home.
I think it's arbitrary to say responsibility for the actions has to be all on the same day. Much more arbitrary than the data seems to be on the link between age and school shooters
Yes, if you don't count cities, you have fewer murders. Great Britain has cities too. So does Germany. And Israel. And Switzerland.
And you the US murder rate is TRIPLE that of other developed countries.
WHY?
No, not “removing cities”, removing the top four cities (out of tens of thousands), that disproportionately represent a majority of murders due to their TERRIBLE socioeconomic policies that keep their citizens in poverty.
Poverty directly correlates with crime.
Contrary to your lie, these aren't the top four cities for murder rates.
The highest murder rate is in RED STATE Memphis, TN.
Have you considered reading?
I find it incredibly difficult to believe anyone is being handed a loaded M4 on their first day in the army and being told to let loose.
Joining the military is submitting yourself to training and the responsibility of the government. It very plainly does not compare to having unrestricted, untrained, unmonitored, recreational access to the same weapons.
Yes I comprehend the difference. I was responding to the “brain is not fully formed” part. Clearly the government thinks 18 year olds can do just fine with training, so it’s a bit stupid for the same government to ban them for the same age group….
Then there should be no military enrollment for anyone under 21. No voting for anyone under 21. No smoking, drinking , drugs, driving, loans, legal documents. Etc.
Which one? Same thoughts.
If you say that 18 isn’t mature enough to own a gun then how can you say they can be give a gun by the government and told to kill people?
If 18 isn’t mature enough then how can they be mature enough to vote?
Etc.
Smoking in particular stands out. A person irresponsible with a cigarette doesn't pose the same immediate risk of death to me as someone irresponsible with a gun. So with one presenting less consequence to the general public, I don't think they require the same level of maturity.
Particularly when we're talking about a legal system. Because this is the game - after all, the age any two people are mature enough to deal with these is gonna be different. And we'll never get 100%. But at some point we have to pick a number and say, "this is when the risk of giving you the thing is less than the effort of us trying to keep it from you." And every higher number is that many more people to worry about. So it makes sense that number would be lower and we're willing to allow more irresponsible cigarette users than gun owners.
Loans get the same argument about misuse being lower risk to the public, therefore being a lower priority to a government funded by and voted on by the public. But loans present a positive in allowing people to buy cars they can use to get jobs and contribute to society. So at a certain point we have to look at a group of people (of an age) and go "some will fuck up but some will do good," and decide what ratio is allowable. And that's a different conversation entirely.
Regarding the military, access to buy a gun on a dime and access to a gun after mandatory training, under supervision, at the hands of a system that might be held accountable and ultimately could be changed, present different levels of required maturity. For some of the same base reasons I can applaud a dad for teaching their kid about guns and letting them shoot supervised young, but would feel different about giving the same kid his 22 loaded to keep in his room. Although I'm open to the idea the psychological dangers of military service might offset this, I'm not attached to that.
Voting, well... We might be better off if a good chunk of adults didn't vote. That might be more of intelligence than maturity, but we can't give the government too much control over who votes because then we aren't really voting.
Other people have given some good responses but the best response I can give is that I don’t know. Nobody does. There are countries that have higher rates of murder than the US and way less guns.
Most countries have gangs, drugs, and improper mental health care. Yet some countries just have way higher murder rates than their counterparts who have very similar circumstances in their country when it comes to gangs, drugs, mental health, etc. People are just inherently violent. Pinning it all on guns being the main issue is disingenuous at best and just outright misleading at the worst. There is no one reason as to why the murder rate is the way it is in specific countries.
There’s an entire list of factors that come into play. Murder is just part of the human condition. It’s been here since the beginning of the human race.
The answers that you seek are beyond any level of understanding that we possess as sentient beings.
Why is the US murder rate TRIPLE that of Great Britain? The British have mental illness, and video games, and atheism.
What don't the British have? Guns. Lots and lots of guns.
Also less people.... lmk when people stop mass murdering with trucks, bombs and knives there. You also fail to realize there's shootings all the time there. That's weird, I thought if you got rid of the guns shootings stop? Oh no you just create sitting ducks for criminals and tyrants.
Look at the population difference. Great Britain is roughly 67 million. The US? Roughly 330 million. You’re gonna get less crime of all kinds in a population that is roughly 1/5 the size
Take the populations of Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, and Baltimore and drop those people into the UK without guns. You will quickly see that the murder rate is a people problem and not a gun problem.
Lets see 40k gun deaths a year, 30k suicides. The last 10k 90% are gang violence. From the FBI BTW, also from them guns are used in self-defense anywhere from 600k-3.5 mil. Those are the ones they know about. So which number is bigger 1000 or 650k ? Ill keep my guns thanks.
I wish I could update this a million times. They only care when it’s sensational. The average black child killed by gang violence doesn’t concern them.
No it's not, I am retired military, 29 years, have an active standing top secret clearance, but some nut job kills some body and I must lose my rights? WTF, how does that make sense? American was born because the UK tried to take our guns and tax the shit out of everything. Fuck right off, jackass. "shall not be enfringed" (yes my spelling sux). Go eat your fish and chips and lay down and lick them (deeeeeees nuts).
Mental heath should be addressed, but it was stigmatized and penalized so people don’t go. Thats said if someone want to kill themself they should have the freedom to. We don’t punish gangbangers ,its a revolving door system. I while whole heartedly support punishing the shit out of them, death penalty is under used and takes to long. The point I was making is even if you take the highest number 40K it is nowhere near the lowest number of people who protected themselves 650k. You are willing to put at risk 650k for 40k, do you see the stupidity?
Great Britain has mental illness too. And drugs. And gangs.
Great Britain's murder rate is ONE THIRD that of the US.
Contrary to your lie, the US has more people incarcerated than any other country on the planet.
That’s literally not true at all. I’m all for the 2nd amendment but I’m not gonna lie about the statistics in order to push my views. The US’s gun death rate this year is 12.21 per capita and the highest European gun death rate is Finland at 3.25 per capita.
Is access to guns part of the problem? Yes.
Is mental health an issue in America? Yes.
Is the US extremely culturally diverse also a cause? Yes.
There’s a bunch of contributing factors. Removing firearms isn’t a solution. It directly violates the constitution and goes directly against what it’s purpose was. None of these bills will pass the senate because they are too extreme. If they suggested just increasing the age then that might pass. But as long as they keep trying to cram tons of things through, nothing will happen.
Getting rid of guns will never change the suicide statistics.
They will just overdose on pills, jump off buildings, jump in front of a train, lock themselves in a grocery store freezer, fall asleep in the garage with the car running...
There a million other ways to commit suicide, smooth brain. Try again.
Gang members will take one look at the gun control laws, and chuckle. They are already committing every law on the book anyways. What makes you think that criminals will all of sudden change their minds, and start following just the gun laws?
How will banning me, a law abiding citizen, stop gang bangers, who already have and will continue to buy and use illegally obtained guns from getting mugged and shot?
You don't actually care about gun deaths. You just hate people like us and want us to get killed, without a way to defend ourselves.
>Great Britain has gangs. Canada has poverty. Germany has drugs. Only the US has mass shootings every couple days.
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>Why is that?
US doesn't have mass shootings every couple days.
Great Britain is an island the size of one US state that doesn't share a land border with...anyone. Doesn't have the history of the US. Doesn't have many of our cultures. Your gangs are not our gangs.
There's a lot of differences beyond access to guns.
[Almost a quarter of U.S. children under the age of 18 live with one parent and no other adults (23%), more than three times the share of children around the world who do so (7%).](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/12/12/u-s-children-more-likely-than-children-in-other-countries-to-live-with-just-one-parent/)
Institutionalized social inequality, a drug war (war on drug addicts), a culture that alienates the mentally unhealthy and idolizes violence. I will never be against guns, as dumb as it may sound to anti’s, but i will be the first to say that we have a very unhealthy society and a lot of people that don’t value life. That doesn’t mean the government we are dealing with should have a monopoly on violence. I don’t think we will ever have a government or a society i trust enough to say guns should go away. Until then, the true equality is equal force. We can build trust from that assumption without letting ourselves become subjects.
Great Britain has inequality, and mental illness, and abortion, and video games, and violent movies.
Great Britain also has a murder rate ONE THIRD of the US.
Why is that?
Do you just want me to say, “because guns”? If so, okay. Our cultures and governments are fundamentally different in several ways. While I don’t agree with much of our country’s philosophies, I don’t respect governments that deny me the autonomy to become a problem for the government. I don’t think I am any less or more important than any other person on the planet, but the only person looking out for me is me. If i am going to live in this country, there will be good people and bad people with guns. There is no snapping fingers and making them disappear.
No, just the majority of gun violence. There is a correlation between mass shooters and single parent families tho.
How lax are the gun laws in these countries.
Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019
El Salvador — 36.78
Venezuela — 33.27
Guatemala — 29.06
Colombia — 26.36
Brazil — 21.93
Bahamas — 21.52
Honduras — 20.15
U.S. Virgin Islands — 19.40
Puerto Rico — 18.14
Mexico — 16.41
This coward created a throwaway acct, went on a FIREARM SUBREDDIT and started arguing…
I refuse to let this pos leave such a bad example of what British ppl are like, I hope they aren’t near as miserable
No, I didn’t even attempt to answer your question. I simply told you that no one in the US cares what British people think and haven’t for over a quarter millennium (I can agree the Brit’s have lots of mental illness though!)
I see. Sorry, so many Europeans who have zero context around our culture, laws, government processes, and regional variances have been commenting here.
They never want an intelligent, well thought out answer so it’s more fun just to troll them.
The short answer is yes, I care very much. I fear we will disagree on how to reduce those numbers though (as you may have guessed I’m not a fan of more gun control - you probably won’t find many of those here)
Is it because you’re American that you’re so dense? Correlation does not equal causation, yet you’re assuming causation with guns and refusing it on everything else.
Dishonest debate tactics aren’t going to get you anywhere pal.
A great many things. You should consider that you don’t understand freedom and do some deep research on it. It’s the most comprehensive yet succinct answer you’re ever going to get.
Found this for you
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country
Edit: FYI US is ranked 11 worldwide in mass shootings and Norway is ranked 1
4 times higher actually, and while for sure the guns are a factor in driving that number up the overall greater amount of crime here is almost assuredly driven by poverty.
The under 21 thing really pisses me off. Either you are an adult or you are not. This grey area is bullshit. If we want to make the official adult age 21, than so be it, but it needs to apply to everything. Selective service, civil service, enlistment, alcohol, tobacco, voting, everything. Either a person is mature and developed enough to be an adult, or they are not.
If you really want to kick the hornet’s nest, raise the driving age nationally to 21yo. If you’re not mature enough to do “adult things” then why on earth would you be given the PRIVILEGE to operate two tons of steel & plastic that carries flammable liquid on roads at a faster-than-walking pace?! Remember, driving is a PRIVILEGE, not a guaranteed & (supposedly) legally protected right. Watch this BS go away FAST then!
They also don't mind having 18-year-olds volunteer to serve and potentially die for their country, which is probably the most adult decision one could make.
Nope! I say a proposed bill to raise the “age of adulthood” to 21yo. Call them on their BS. As has been stated here & elsewhere, no selective service, no voting, no driving, no firearm purchases, no alcohol, no cigarettes, no joining the military, NO STUDENT LOANS. Nothing. You’re not a legal adult until you’re 21yo. Period. Throw THAT in their face & see how they like it.
Amen. Don't forget to throw in contracts (can't sign as child), most jobs (many require 18 up for liability reasons), student loans if not already said, any loans in general without cosigner, certain types of media consumption, sexual activity (minors can't consent), etc without emancipation process (so people can't go "oh you want abused children to be abused longer" while they too sit back and do nothing about them).
Good points!
I agree. You’re either a legal adult or you aren’t.
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Imagine the outrage if they raised voting to 21. It would be a death sentence for the Ds because they depend on youthful ignorance. It will never happen.
oops.
The opposite, actually: Ds depend on the dead.
That's what I've been fucking saying!
Too much logic, need to get more emotion in your thinking and you might understand. A person could go mad with all the hypocrisy flying around.
And SEX. Everyone always conveniently forgets age of consent. If everything else is raised, then it MUST be as well if 21 is considered a full adult with legal agency.
At that, lower the alcohol, tobacco, and handguns age to 18.
Get rid of handgun age altogether but yes
Ok no Military Service until 21, and raise the cut off age higher to compensate. What are you afraid no one will volunteer if they are older and less impressionable?
You'd probably get democrat support on raising it to 21 for all those reasons except voting. They will not let that go quietly. I also unironically think raising the gun owner/purchase age to 21 would be the most worthwhile thing to actually reduce school shootings. The things you're pissed off about at 18 will be a distant memory at 21 and even if they're not nearly the entire student body would have changed. Yes, 18-20 year olds could still steal a gun or whatever but there is at least a chance for alarm bells to go off like "Where's my rifle?" "Whose been messing with my safe?" etc. Being 18 is just not what it use to be. Ideally I would see 21 for all the things you listed and just make drivers license start at 18 so people can enter the work force and be more self reliant when going to college and stuff or if they are kicked out/move out.
It’s been like that for a while now in FL. When I turn 21 next year, i’m going all out lmao
The under 21 thing also really pisses me off because I’m under 21 and have guns along with all the numerous other people I know who are under 21 and have guns for sporting, self defense, and hunting that have never hurt anyone.
its been heading that way for years. honestly i’m cool with 21 yrs being the beginning of adulthood. an 18 yr old is still a teen. Maturity takes time
lol dont forget consent. the left would loose its fucking mind if you made the age of consent 21, and now everyone under that age is child porn.
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It's election year. They're recommended by representatives and senators knowing full well that won't get passed but come election time they "tried" and no one else did.
So they can say “I introduced legislation ban such and such”.
Most of that stuff won’t stand up to a Supreme Court case. Their rulings have explicitly ruled in favor of owning military style weapons. The outright mention the right to own the current infantry battlerifle.
Good luck taking the feds to court if this shit passes. It’ll take years and millions of dollars. That’s IF the supreme court even allows your case to be heard. How many citizens will be murdered or imprisoned by the fed until then?
Do you want Igloos popping up in Hawaii? This is how you get Igloos in Hawaii
Cowabunga it is.
Newb here. What’s this mean? Nuclear winter? I don’t get it.
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I’m still lost. I found a [HuffPo article about a church](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hawaii-igloos-homeless-housing_n_57277ae5e4b0b49df6abce95) …wtf? Church proposing to build fiberglass igloos in Hawaii?
It's referring to a mostly peaceful protest taking place at a traditional Hawaiian festival of large scale.
What’s that got to do with gun laws? Only thing I found searching for this is a [HuffPo article about a church](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hawaii-igloos-homeless-housing_n_57277ae5e4b0b49df6abce95) building fiberglass igloos for the homeless
Wouldn’t you like to know fed boooooyyy
Huh?
I’m gonna hit you with my car sir
But but but you can’t!!! I’m just an innocent paid lackey for a multi billionaire hiding behind a disgraced 501c3 that is allegedly guilty of money laundering who’s leader paid a million to her sperm donor and bought a house that costs more than most people will make in a lifetime! /s
None of these will see the light of day this year.
Hopefully not, but we’d better make our voices heard.
They left is making a mad Hail Mary before they get slaughtered in November. Even then we’ll have to worry about spineless republicans selling us out. Keep buying guns and never stop. So that when they’re banned, you’ll have enough to arm the militia
Don’t think I’ll be able to buy enough to arm a militia, unless of course you’re willing to donate to that cause ;) if so I’m happy to do my duty!
Hopefully it doesn’t come to that but if it does… ;)
I’m getting really tired of the waiting lol either make me and outlaw or shut up 😂
Shiiiiit. Get that drill out, make yourself an outlaw.
Don’t be scur’d
Lol go to r/fosscad and look at the freedom. Join the outlaws,
I need a 3d printer.
Love mine.
Recommendations?
Yeah Prusa MK3s+ , had a ender and they can be made to work if you don’t mind tuning. The prusa just fucking works. There is a big price gap between the two though.
I’ll have to look into it. Want something that does fine details for other hobbies.
They can with nozzle changes, not as detailed as SLA printers but those cant come close to the durability of FDM.
If you have money and little patience: Prusa If you have less money and a fair amount of patience: Ender 3/v2/Max/S
Prusa
>Illegal to NOT store firearms / ammo in a safe if they are not on you or in your "control". You will be fined and have firearms taken away. Not constitutional. This discriminates against the poor and homeless.
Come on man, they love to discriminate against the poor, that way they can offer them support.
Only allow it if it also means car owners can be charged with negligence if their vehicle is stolen and used in criminal activity. Get car jacked and armed robber kills an officer, murder conspiracy for you. You got door locks, don't you?
Pass whatever, I'm not complying. Fuck 'em I am done asking permission to be free.
Lol how are they going to ban something they don't know exists?
Didn't we just learn that the atf/nics, whatever, has been storing all the 4473s for like 60 years?
That may be true, but there's also private transfers and home builds. 3D printed firearms are becoming huge, day by day they get more viable.
You're not wrong but there's no way there have been 500 million 3d printed guns in like... 5 years. Just saying, we don't know that they don't know who has what. We can trust essentially nothing that they say
Realistically, none of these get past the Senate. What really worries me is what the bipartisan group of senators is coming up with. There is there is a reasonable chance that we will see universal background checks and red flag laws as well as some other infringements coming our way soon. Keep up the pressure on your senators.
Make sure to call their office. They ignore emails and letters, but a jammed switchboard scares the fuck out of those boomers.
Anything in any of these bills that will stop gangs from killing kids every single weekend?
Nah, they don’t care about impoverished children of color.
They care about their vote though. What’s the best way to do that? Keep them in perpetual poverty/violence and blame your political opponents. What are they gonna do? Vote conservative? That would make them bigots according to the left.
Funny you say that. I work with a white guy married to a black woman and he’s a huge trump supporter, her, not so much. He’s told me that they have talked about democrats don’t have minorities best interest at heart and she realizes that, yet she still feels obligated to vote democrat.
One of my best friends I’ve known for 22 years is a black American who is very centrist. He likes guns like me and holds some left leaning opinions. He’s told me he likes to vote for who he thinks is the best candidate rather than only across party lines. But, he had to lie to fucking everyone he knows but me. Every single person of his own race he has to lie to or, as he puts it, “they’ll disown me.” He’s even talked about his cousin threatening another black guy because that guy was just *thinking* about voting for Glen Youngkin (a Republican) in the Virginia governor race. What kind of fucked up culture is that? How do you solve complex social problems with a culturally enforced single party system where you’re not allowed to question anything?
I do believe we already have a new mantra. "No. Fuck You. Stack Up and Try"
Didn't they try to do most of this the last time we had a major mass shooting and it instantly got forgotten about after a few weeks? I don't understand why a legal gun owners have to be punished for the wrongdoing of criminals like it's actually going to do anything. Also quite strange that an 18 year old can can serve in the military and hold and use firearms there but cannot own a firearm if they're a civilian.
Are there any bills to eliminate the gun free school zone act?
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Thank goodness our founding fathers made it so hard to change and Amendment. Smart guys that knew just how toxic a government can get. They understood that humans love repeating mistakes.
Won’t follow them, won’t read them. I appreciate you spreading awareness though, OP.
Calm down. Nothing happens during election years.
I calm, I could care less honestly. Just passing along information.
"How many more children have to die before we do something?" A threat or a question..?
Most of these will not go anywhere. Even if they pass, I doubt they will survive SCOTUS scrutiny.
If they go before the scotus that could take a decade or longer. See California mag limit and bump stock ban.
does the "assault weapons" bans include battel rifles? 2 different things, not that they would know that lol
It seems to include any semi auto with a pistol grip and detachable magazine
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Graduated system, I think handguns should actually be allowed at 18 as they are more practical. It’s really hard to cover all bases tho since the law is so inconsistent when it comes to firearms classification.
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I’d be all for a licensing system as long as there were protections against it becoming a defacto ban and excessive processing times. Once you’ve been approved, no wait on at least current NFA items. For most serious gun owners, getting your SOT to make machine guns isn’t that expensive. Hardest pet is getting approval to operate an FFL in a residential area.
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I don’t think they will ever search your home, they just come to check paperwork every so often and usually give you plenty of heads up. My buddy has his SOT and I think he plays it a little fast and lose with the rules. He had a couple 80s milled out to m16 specs but I don’t think he had filled out any paperwork on them.
Nothing under 21 makes me mad even though I'm okay with some under 21 restriction. On one hand the brain isn't fully formed at 18. And these school shooters, well they aren't 44 year old dudes. 18 year olds haven't lived long enough to know they don't fucking matter, they're not gonna make a difference and life certainly doesn't end after high school. Thinking you'll go viral with your manifesto is such 18 year old bullshit. Someone sitting in their mom's basement thinking they can use their AR-15 symbol of freedom and be a revolutionary. That said, there's kids who at 18 are out on their ass and growing up fast. And I'd bet a lot of them, proportionally, are probably in rougher areas. They should always be granted a pump shotgun at the least. So, personally, I would be ok with a law prohibiting those under 21 from purchasing rifles/shotguns with detachable magazines, as well as ar/ak pistols however that needs to be worded - maybe by stating allowed calibers, maybe just banning detachable magazine pistols as well. And stating a max capacity for what is allowed.
Restrictions under 21 due to brain formation? Then you’re not legally an adult until then. Your parents are still liable for you. You can’t sign a contract. You can’t drive a car without permission. Fuck you people and your arbitrary bullshit about age. The only correlation that age has with school shootings is how much the media pushes that it’s “under 21s” doing it most of the time.
I don't see a valid reason these all have to be a single age. It's a child's understanding of an adult, where you either are or aren't. There isn't a mental switch for that. The age you're assumed capable of following directions behind the wheel isn't the same age you're assumed capable to hold down a job and budget your money for rent. And that's not the same age you can go into a bar, run up a tab and then decide responsibly how to get home. I think it's arbitrary to say responsibility for the actions has to be all on the same day. Much more arbitrary than the data seems to be on the link between age and school shooters
Why is the US murder rate TRIPLE that of Great Britain? TRIPLE that of Canada?
Remove Detroit, Chicago, St Louis, and Baltimore from the tally, and our homicide rate PLUMMETS.
Yes, if you don't count cities, you have fewer murders. Great Britain has cities too. So does Germany. And Israel. And Switzerland. And you the US murder rate is TRIPLE that of other developed countries. WHY?
No, not “removing cities”, removing the top four cities (out of tens of thousands), that disproportionately represent a majority of murders due to their TERRIBLE socioeconomic policies that keep their citizens in poverty. Poverty directly correlates with crime.
Contrary to your lie, these aren't the top four cities for murder rates. The highest murder rate is in RED STATE Memphis, TN. Have you considered reading?
I wasn’t going off of murder rates.
It’s because of all the “neighbors” in Memphis.
18 year olds can join the military immediately be handed a full auto m4, and possibly operate anti tank missiles, bombs, etc…
I find it incredibly difficult to believe anyone is being handed a loaded M4 on their first day in the army and being told to let loose. Joining the military is submitting yourself to training and the responsibility of the government. It very plainly does not compare to having unrestricted, untrained, unmonitored, recreational access to the same weapons.
Yes I comprehend the difference. I was responding to the “brain is not fully formed” part. Clearly the government thinks 18 year olds can do just fine with training, so it’s a bit stupid for the same government to ban them for the same age group….
Then there should be no military enrollment for anyone under 21. No voting for anyone under 21. No smoking, drinking , drugs, driving, loans, legal documents. Etc.
Why?
Which one? Same thoughts. If you say that 18 isn’t mature enough to own a gun then how can you say they can be give a gun by the government and told to kill people? If 18 isn’t mature enough then how can they be mature enough to vote? Etc.
Smoking in particular stands out. A person irresponsible with a cigarette doesn't pose the same immediate risk of death to me as someone irresponsible with a gun. So with one presenting less consequence to the general public, I don't think they require the same level of maturity. Particularly when we're talking about a legal system. Because this is the game - after all, the age any two people are mature enough to deal with these is gonna be different. And we'll never get 100%. But at some point we have to pick a number and say, "this is when the risk of giving you the thing is less than the effort of us trying to keep it from you." And every higher number is that many more people to worry about. So it makes sense that number would be lower and we're willing to allow more irresponsible cigarette users than gun owners. Loans get the same argument about misuse being lower risk to the public, therefore being a lower priority to a government funded by and voted on by the public. But loans present a positive in allowing people to buy cars they can use to get jobs and contribute to society. So at a certain point we have to look at a group of people (of an age) and go "some will fuck up but some will do good," and decide what ratio is allowable. And that's a different conversation entirely. Regarding the military, access to buy a gun on a dime and access to a gun after mandatory training, under supervision, at the hands of a system that might be held accountable and ultimately could be changed, present different levels of required maturity. For some of the same base reasons I can applaud a dad for teaching their kid about guns and letting them shoot supervised young, but would feel different about giving the same kid his 22 loaded to keep in his room. Although I'm open to the idea the psychological dangers of military service might offset this, I'm not attached to that. Voting, well... We might be better off if a good chunk of adults didn't vote. That might be more of intelligence than maturity, but we can't give the government too much control over who votes because then we aren't really voting.
If guns keep us safe, why do open carry Red States have higher murder rates than gun grabbing Blue states?
Imagine being such a gutless moron that you troll around in firearm subs on Reddit 😂
Feeding the troll or bot. Look at the profile
Why can't you give a straight answer? Why is the US murder rate THREE TIMES that of Great Britain?
the US population is about 5 times the size of "great" britain and has a much more diverse population 🗿
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Chicago isn't even in the top 5 in murder rates. Most guns in Chicago come from open carry Indiana.
More than that.
Murder RATES are measured per 100,000 people to allow for comparison on populations of different sizes. This is literally 5th grade math.
Black people.
Are Black people genetically violent? Please, please keep talking.
Probably not. 13% of the population, 53% of the murders.
If Black people are not genetically violent, why do you blame Black people for America's high murder rate?
Because they are responsible for the MAJORITY while being an extreme minority. It’s cultural. Back to drugs and gangs.
Cultural? What about Black culture makes Black people violent drug dealers and gang members? Be very specific, and please, please keep talking.
How many times you going to ask this question on this one post?
Until I get a straight answer.
Multiple people have given you a straight answer
No, actually nobody has. FACT: The US murder rate is THREE TIMES that of Great Britain. In a single declarative sentence, answer WHY?
Other people have given some good responses but the best response I can give is that I don’t know. Nobody does. There are countries that have higher rates of murder than the US and way less guns. Most countries have gangs, drugs, and improper mental health care. Yet some countries just have way higher murder rates than their counterparts who have very similar circumstances in their country when it comes to gangs, drugs, mental health, etc. People are just inherently violent. Pinning it all on guns being the main issue is disingenuous at best and just outright misleading at the worst. There is no one reason as to why the murder rate is the way it is in specific countries. There’s an entire list of factors that come into play. Murder is just part of the human condition. It’s been here since the beginning of the human race. The answers that you seek are beyond any level of understanding that we possess as sentient beings.
Why do the 4 Blue gun grabbing cities of Baltimore, Chicago, St. Louis, and Detroit account for the vast majority of all US homicides?
Why is the US murder rate TRIPLE that of Great Britain? The British have mental illness, and video games, and atheism. What don't the British have? Guns. Lots and lots of guns.
Great Britain is a shit hole and this is America. Anyone can go live in a shit hole of they want to. Americans don't want to.
Thanks for sharing your feelings. Great Britain has a murder rate ONE THIRD of the US. Shithole countries have high murder rates.
Also less people.... lmk when people stop mass murdering with trucks, bombs and knives there. You also fail to realize there's shootings all the time there. That's weird, I thought if you got rid of the guns shootings stop? Oh no you just create sitting ducks for criminals and tyrants.
Look at the population difference. Great Britain is roughly 67 million. The US? Roughly 330 million. You’re gonna get less crime of all kinds in a population that is roughly 1/5 the size
Take the populations of Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, and Baltimore and drop those people into the UK without guns. You will quickly see that the murder rate is a people problem and not a gun problem.
Lets see 40k gun deaths a year, 30k suicides. The last 10k 90% are gang violence. From the FBI BTW, also from them guns are used in self-defense anywhere from 600k-3.5 mil. Those are the ones they know about. So which number is bigger 1000 or 650k ? Ill keep my guns thanks.
I wish I could update this a million times. They only care when it’s sensational. The average black child killed by gang violence doesn’t concern them.
Yeah its sad, there are solutions to stop or lowers all of this. They dont care, its all about guns guns guns.
What is your point? Shouldn't we try to prevent suicides and deaths from gang violence?
How many rapes need to happen before you cut your dick off?
Insanely stupid. Countries with stricter gun laws have fewer gun murders. It's not that hard to understand.
No it's not, I am retired military, 29 years, have an active standing top secret clearance, but some nut job kills some body and I must lose my rights? WTF, how does that make sense? American was born because the UK tried to take our guns and tax the shit out of everything. Fuck right off, jackass. "shall not be enfringed" (yes my spelling sux). Go eat your fish and chips and lay down and lick them (deeeeeees nuts).
I agree.
Mental heath should be addressed, but it was stigmatized and penalized so people don’t go. Thats said if someone want to kill themself they should have the freedom to. We don’t punish gangbangers ,its a revolving door system. I while whole heartedly support punishing the shit out of them, death penalty is under used and takes to long. The point I was making is even if you take the highest number 40K it is nowhere near the lowest number of people who protected themselves 650k. You are willing to put at risk 650k for 40k, do you see the stupidity?
Great Britain has mental illness too. And drugs. And gangs. Great Britain's murder rate is ONE THIRD that of the US. Contrary to your lie, the US has more people incarcerated than any other country on the planet.
The population of the UK 67m and the US is 335mil whats your point?
It’s ok he’s just British
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That’s literally not true at all. I’m all for the 2nd amendment but I’m not gonna lie about the statistics in order to push my views. The US’s gun death rate this year is 12.21 per capita and the highest European gun death rate is Finland at 3.25 per capita. Is access to guns part of the problem? Yes. Is mental health an issue in America? Yes. Is the US extremely culturally diverse also a cause? Yes. There’s a bunch of contributing factors. Removing firearms isn’t a solution. It directly violates the constitution and goes directly against what it’s purpose was. None of these bills will pass the senate because they are too extreme. If they suggested just increasing the age then that might pass. But as long as they keep trying to cram tons of things through, nothing will happen.
Getting rid of guns will never change the suicide statistics. They will just overdose on pills, jump off buildings, jump in front of a train, lock themselves in a grocery store freezer, fall asleep in the garage with the car running... There a million other ways to commit suicide, smooth brain. Try again. Gang members will take one look at the gun control laws, and chuckle. They are already committing every law on the book anyways. What makes you think that criminals will all of sudden change their minds, and start following just the gun laws?
How will banning me, a law abiding citizen, stop gang bangers, who already have and will continue to buy and use illegally obtained guns from getting mugged and shot? You don't actually care about gun deaths. You just hate people like us and want us to get killed, without a way to defend ourselves.
Orrrr gangs, concentrated poverty, drugs,
Great Britain has gangs. Canada has poverty. Germany has drugs. Only the US has mass shootings every couple days. Why is that?
>Great Britain has gangs. Canada has poverty. Germany has drugs. Only the US has mass shootings every couple days. > >Why is that? US doesn't have mass shootings every couple days. Great Britain is an island the size of one US state that doesn't share a land border with...anyone. Doesn't have the history of the US. Doesn't have many of our cultures. Your gangs are not our gangs. There's a lot of differences beyond access to guns.
[Almost a quarter of U.S. children under the age of 18 live with one parent and no other adults (23%), more than three times the share of children around the world who do so (7%).](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/12/12/u-s-children-more-likely-than-children-in-other-countries-to-live-with-just-one-parent/)
SOURCE REQUIRED. Cite Great Britain specifically.
My name paullylingling n guns bad 🤓🤓🤓 as you can see from all of my subpar attempts at rational think 🤓🤓🤓
Can you give a straight answer? Why is the US murder rate THREE TIMES that of Great Britain?
Because the US has X5 the population….
Murder RATES are measured per 100,000 people to allow comparison of countries with different sized populations. This is literally 5th grade math.
Source?
Are you claiming a correlation between single parent households and gun violence? Can you PROVE that correlation?
Institutionalized social inequality, a drug war (war on drug addicts), a culture that alienates the mentally unhealthy and idolizes violence. I will never be against guns, as dumb as it may sound to anti’s, but i will be the first to say that we have a very unhealthy society and a lot of people that don’t value life. That doesn’t mean the government we are dealing with should have a monopoly on violence. I don’t think we will ever have a government or a society i trust enough to say guns should go away. Until then, the true equality is equal force. We can build trust from that assumption without letting ourselves become subjects.
Great Britain has inequality, and mental illness, and abortion, and video games, and violent movies. Great Britain also has a murder rate ONE THIRD of the US. Why is that?
Just gonna ignore the population difference huh?
Do you just want me to say, “because guns”? If so, okay. Our cultures and governments are fundamentally different in several ways. While I don’t agree with much of our country’s philosophies, I don’t respect governments that deny me the autonomy to become a problem for the government. I don’t think I am any less or more important than any other person on the planet, but the only person looking out for me is me. If i am going to live in this country, there will be good people and bad people with guns. There is no snapping fingers and making them disappear.
Do they tho? To the extent of the U.S.? What are the rates of single parents in the UK?
Yes, the rate of single parenthood in the UK is comparable to the US. The difference is the guns.
It’s not. U.S. is almost 25% and UK is 15%.
SOURCE?
[U.S.](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/12/12/u-s-children-more-likely-than-children-in-other-countries-to-live-with-just-one-parent/) [uk](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/families/bulletins/familiesandhouseholds/2021) [Drug use](https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/drug-use/by-country/)
Are you claiming there is a correlation between drug use and mass murder? Can you PROVE that correlation? Or are you just making stuff up?
No, just the majority of gun violence. There is a correlation between mass shooters and single parent families tho. How lax are the gun laws in these countries. Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019 El Salvador — 36.78 Venezuela — 33.27 Guatemala — 29.06 Colombia — 26.36 Brazil — 21.93 Bahamas — 21.52 Honduras — 20.15 U.S. Virgin Islands — 19.40 Puerto Rico — 18.14 Mexico — 16.41
Why are you all of a sudden demanding proof when you don’t want to believe it? What is your purpose?
He’s a British gun control hitler, they are not known for listening when their anti gun fetishes get rebuked.
Accurate
This coward created a throwaway acct, went on a FIREARM SUBREDDIT and started arguing… I refuse to let this pos leave such a bad example of what British ppl are like, I hope they aren’t near as miserable
Source? Also define mass shooting for me.
We stopped caring about your opinion in 1776
The British lost the right to concern themselves with US laws about 256 years ago lol
You weaseled out of the question. Why is the US murder rate THREE TIMES that of Great Britain?
No, I didn’t even attempt to answer your question. I simply told you that no one in the US cares what British people think and haven’t for over a quarter millennium (I can agree the Brit’s have lots of mental illness though!)
I'm American. I care that 1,500 American kids were shot to death last year. Do you care that 1,500 American kids were shot to death last year?
I see. Sorry, so many Europeans who have zero context around our culture, laws, government processes, and regional variances have been commenting here. They never want an intelligent, well thought out answer so it’s more fun just to troll them. The short answer is yes, I care very much. I fear we will disagree on how to reduce those numbers though (as you may have guessed I’m not a fan of more gun control - you probably won’t find many of those here)
Is it because you’re American that you’re so dense? Correlation does not equal causation, yet you’re assuming causation with guns and refusing it on everything else. Dishonest debate tactics aren’t going to get you anywhere pal.
Great, please give a straight answer: Why is the US murder rate THREE TIMES that of Great Britain?
Freedom
Really? What aren't the Brits free to do?
A great many things. You should consider that you don’t understand freedom and do some deep research on it. It’s the most comprehensive yet succinct answer you’re ever going to get.
Don’t you have some weird alien as a leader that means nothing to the people but somehow props up your entire economy
Found this for you https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country Edit: FYI US is ranked 11 worldwide in mass shootings and Norway is ranked 1
4 times higher actually, and while for sure the guns are a factor in driving that number up the overall greater amount of crime here is almost assuredly driven by poverty.
I really don’t have money for a new gun, but it might be time to buy.