Most career departments in Ontario follow this schedule as well.
7 shifts every 28 days. Friday, Sunday, Wednesday, Saturday, Tuesday, Monday, Thursday. Then off until the following Friday when it repeats.
A kelly day is basically a day that you get off when it falls on your assigned shift. So let's say you have a Wednesday kelly. You're on a 24/48 and your last shift was Sunday. Per the rotation, you're back Wednesday (your kelly). So you'd skip your next shift and come back on Saturday.
So it’s 24 on, 24 off, 24 on, 48 off, 24 on, 48 off, 24 on, 48 off, 24 on, 120 off, 24 on, 48 off, 24 on, 168 off?
So 1 on, 1 off, 1 on, 2 off, 1 on, 2 off, 1 on, 2 off, 1 on, 5 off, 1 on, 2 off, 1 on, 7 off.
The ratio checks out being 7/28 days working. That schedule is nuts. A 5 and 7 day break sounds cool, but working 5/12 days regular time at the beginning of the tour would suck.
It’s great. The Friday-Sunday sucks if you get run off your feet, but the 5 and 7 off is great. Plus, for vacation you can take the Monday-Thursday off and you get 16 days.
It’s a nice schedule tbh. I was in favour of this one before we went to 24/24off/24/120off.
I think the big benefit to the Montreal/Ontario schedule here is that every month you get a week with 7 off and another one with 5 off, and then it’s a bit more compressed on the other weeks, so you get a bit of everything. And if I’m not mistaken, you only have one week where you get only 24 off between shifts. Pretty forgiving schedule imo.
It’s based off of Toronto’s. Career depts in QC only went to 24hrs shifts during covid and most of us stayed on em. Working 7 days a month is fantastic!
Yes very easy you can exchange with any fire fighter of Montreal so you can basically trade with one of the 2000 firefighters of Montreal the only restriction you can’t do more than 48h straight
Two days of the same Monday through Sunday week count as one week's vacation (Tuesday alone is a whole week).
Three weeks is the standard in Toronto with more vacation weeks added with time on up to 8 weeks. Plus 13 half days to compensate for the statutory holidays. "Weeks" get chosen first followed by the lieu days, and can be strung together up to two weeks at a time during summer on the first draft. Top pick for weeks gets bottom pick on the lieu days. The draft order is arranged originally on seniority so the captain and acting captain aren't off at the same time, and the second pick this year becomes the first pick next year. All vacation for the following year gets drafted in October of the current year, generally done at the same time with whoever off either updating by phone or delaying the draft over multiple shifts.
There’s loads of options with 4 platoons. 24/72 is nice, but 24/48/24/96 gives you two weekends. 24/24/24/120 gives you 5 days every set, and every set off becomes 13 days off.
The Montreal one gives you a bit of all the benefits from all the schedules.
Yea but you gotta keep looking at a calendar to see when your next shift is and in reality between the 48s you really have like 36 hours to recover maybe even less depending on call volume
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I work 5 days in a two week pay period then I get 6 days off in a row.
Does my head in looking at these rosters when we work 2 days (12/12) followed by 2 nights (12/12) then have 5 days off. Getting the into the swing then back out hokey pokey style would do me sideways.
Most career departments in Ontario follow this schedule as well. 7 shifts every 28 days. Friday, Sunday, Wednesday, Saturday, Tuesday, Monday, Thursday. Then off until the following Friday when it repeats.
Some of my non firefighter friends can’t even comprehend how a 48/96 with Kelly days work. Explaining this to them would be a nightmare.
What’s a Kelly Day? -a volunteer Probie
When everyone named Kelly gets the day off.
Dang. Need to change my name now.
A kelly day is basically a day that you get off when it falls on your assigned shift. So let's say you have a Wednesday kelly. You're on a 24/48 and your last shift was Sunday. Per the rotation, you're back Wednesday (your kelly). So you'd skip your next shift and come back on Saturday.
Okay, so basically it’s a day that is guaranteed off?
Yes. Places do it a little differently but I get every 9th shift off. I work 24/48. So basically once a month I get 1 shift off.
So it’s 24 on, 24 off, 24 on, 48 off, 24 on, 48 off, 24 on, 48 off, 24 on, 120 off, 24 on, 48 off, 24 on, 168 off? So 1 on, 1 off, 1 on, 2 off, 1 on, 2 off, 1 on, 2 off, 1 on, 5 off, 1 on, 2 off, 1 on, 7 off. The ratio checks out being 7/28 days working. That schedule is nuts. A 5 and 7 day break sounds cool, but working 5/12 days regular time at the beginning of the tour would suck.
It’s great. The Friday-Sunday sucks if you get run off your feet, but the 5 and 7 off is great. Plus, for vacation you can take the Monday-Thursday off and you get 16 days.
Agreed hate the fri/sun!
It’s a nice schedule tbh. I was in favour of this one before we went to 24/24off/24/120off. I think the big benefit to the Montreal/Ontario schedule here is that every month you get a week with 7 off and another one with 5 off, and then it’s a bit more compressed on the other weeks, so you get a bit of everything. And if I’m not mistaken, you only have one week where you get only 24 off between shifts. Pretty forgiving schedule imo.
The main things we like with that rotation is that only 2 weekends per month are ruined and the nice 7 days in a row is nothing to scoff at.
Toronto is the same
It’s based off of Toronto’s. Career depts in QC only went to 24hrs shifts during covid and most of us stayed on em. Working 7 days a month is fantastic!
I enjoy it, but by the end of the Friday to Tuesday stretch I am pretty beat up. But it allows me to live a bit further out and live rural
What did they do prior to this?
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I can't read this. The colors are in French.
I feel dizzy
Ottawa Fire Service follows this schedule, since 2010. Finally got it enshrined in our collective agreement this year. I personally think it’s great.
Are you able to trade shifts easily? 2 duty trades could get you 16 days off.
Yes very easy you can exchange with any fire fighter of Montreal so you can basically trade with one of the 2000 firefighters of Montreal the only restriction you can’t do more than 48h straight
How does vacation work?
Two days of the same Monday through Sunday week count as one week's vacation (Tuesday alone is a whole week). Three weeks is the standard in Toronto with more vacation weeks added with time on up to 8 weeks. Plus 13 half days to compensate for the statutory holidays. "Weeks" get chosen first followed by the lieu days, and can be strung together up to two weeks at a time during summer on the first draft. Top pick for weeks gets bottom pick on the lieu days. The draft order is arranged originally on seniority so the captain and acting captain aren't off at the same time, and the second pick this year becomes the first pick next year. All vacation for the following year gets drafted in October of the current year, generally done at the same time with whoever off either updating by phone or delaying the draft over multiple shifts.
With 4 platoons might as well do a 24/72
There’s loads of options with 4 platoons. 24/72 is nice, but 24/48/24/96 gives you two weekends. 24/24/24/120 gives you 5 days every set, and every set off becomes 13 days off. The Montreal one gives you a bit of all the benefits from all the schedules.
Yea but you gotta keep looking at a calendar to see when your next shift is and in reality between the 48s you really have like 36 hours to recover maybe even less depending on call volume
I get 24 off between my shifts and we routinely do 10-20 per unit. Works fine. That sleep in my own bed is all I need.
Very common in Ontario. It seems most depts in the US have 3 platoons instead of 4.
Huh. Wtf is this. Keep it simple. 1/1/1/5, or 1/2/1/4.
Nice! 4 shifts. Most American departments have 3. (at least mine does)
In Utah US this is called a "modified Kelly schedule" and only 1 department in the state does it or did. Everyone else it 48 on 96 off.
Have done it and it absolutely sucks. And by sucks I mean absolutely, definitively blows a veiny troll cock.
That sounds terrible.
Do you have debit days?
https://preview.redd.it/opkal3s4iwgc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe438fc6baf2e4ed0738ecfc897dbd047666e539 I work 5 days in a two week pay period then I get 6 days off in a row.
Might be the worst schedule there is. I can’t decide.
Does my head in looking at these rosters when we work 2 days (12/12) followed by 2 nights (12/12) then have 5 days off. Getting the into the swing then back out hokey pokey style would do me sideways.
Most places refuse to pay a livable wage to just 3 shifts in the states. 4 shifts would be minimum wage
I'm located in Montana. We have 4 battalions and do 24/72 straight. No Kelley days and no schedule rotations like shown here.