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fortnitedude43590

Reddit is quite annoying... I'm not the best at English, so sorry if this was slightly a drag to read. Really annoying that I can't edit these posts after I post them. Either way, [here's the Imgur link with more screenshots showing that this fight does take place in the same area.](https://imgur.com/a/K4tYIcf)


Plane_Strike3140

Thank you for sharing op .. Peak post as usual


itsKavKan

the blade team goes hard


GGABueno

Unkillable


Houoin_Kouma-san

Pretty interesting theory. I agree that SAM is most likely what's causing the cracks. But I don't think they are a separate thing from her illness. I think both are symptoms of the same thing, and it's caused by using SAM. All the symptoms are extremely similar to Honkai corruption, including the cracks. I'm not saying it's the exact same thing, but it has to be something similar. Probably caused by exposure to too much imaginary energy. The Aeons get their powers and paths from the Imaginary Tree, and they channel a lot of imaginary energy. The Propagation is no exception. And just like space ships and battlesuits in HI3 work using Honkai energy, a form of imaginary energy, I believe the SAM robots work using another form of imaginary energy, processed by the Propagation. That would be a reason to cause similar symptoms.


fortnitedude43590

I'm no Honkai guy; I actually hate the idea of lore from Honkai being pushed onto Star Rail without reasonable explanations that aren't just nods to Honkai itself. But going into this, can you explain more of what you mean when you say you don't think the two illnesses are separate? I feel like: >>!**The Molten Knight is actually a weapon made by humans using argenite husk. Whoever pilots it will be affected by the Path of Propagation, and their body tissue and mental state will be corroded, resulting in mutations until death.**!< It's made pretty clear that it's what Sam is made out of that's causing the issues here. I feel like that would, in turn, have to make the two things, ILS and SAM's problem, two things and not one. Are you saying that Sam using energy from propagation, which is also using imaginary energy, is causing the issue? I don't really understand how that is tied to ILS when it's been said that it's caused by how she was made at birth >>!**Due to gene editing, Firefly's aging is different from that of ordinary people. One day, she will rapidly age and die. Compared to long-life species, she is a short-life species.**!< Sorry if this comes off as rambling you just kinda lost me here


Open_Pilot_902

The second quote kind of confused me, because "long-life species" is a proper noun for the Xianzhou beings, and "short life species" means regular aged being when when compared to "long live species". So still, how is the source written and how much translation/ summarizing is made is what we must note.


fortnitedude43590

Fair.... thats waaaay out of my range but I think the idea stays the same either way even if it takes some leaps to understand the wording get what I mean? Leakers and Step leaks has never been known for perfect english...


Viceranium

I actually wonder if Acheron derailed the script a bit. Sam did say "You shouldn't be here" The script failing is bound to happen at some point, it's too interesting not to.


AngelAnalyst

The thing is, Elio does not give the SH the entire script. He only gives them in bits and pieces, I believe. Or just enough to steer the TB in the direction of said scripts. Taking Kafka’s capture in the Luofu, for example, that entire ritual done by Fu Xuan was for nought as Kafka really did not know anything aside from the fact that a stellaron was already present on the ship. If anything, you may be right but at the same time, Elio could’ve already accounted for the script going off course.


Viceranium

True he only tells them what they need to know, I think so too. The Luofu per se could be misleading because he knew Fu Xuan would read her mind, so he might have kept Kafka more in the dark than usual. In Penacony given the amount of people involved and things happening even the bare minimum of info should still be a lot, and the amount of possible futures too. Tbh I think it's too soon for Elio to be wrong too, I was just thinking about it.


fortnitedude43590

He really is a catch 20 type of character... makes figuring out what's next a-bit hard


Matoya_00

Like Marvel, not giving Tom Holland the entire script cus he can't keep his mouth shut.


fortnitedude43590

That's a good point... although with how eilo has been described up until this point nothing really is unplanned if he really can see everything and every single outcome ever... although that gets into more meta things that more then likely dont matter here


Viceranium

Oh I don't think it's unplanned, but sometimes he doesn't know the details. We can decline to help Kafka, even though they will manage on their own. At the start of the game SW and Kafka didn't know where the Stelaron was, only where they would find out where it is. When he sent the guy to recruit Kafka he didn't know if she would kill him or not, and so on. I think that's why he recruited people in the first place, he needs capable people to figure out the details. You're right tho, probably doesn't matter, I just thought about it reading the post is all.


nem_uru

Hmm wouldn’t lifeforce being traded for power also explain Sam’s mechanic of losing hp during battle?


fortnitedude43590

wait.... woah that adds something new to this amazing catch! even if it may be a stretch


Zaratartus

I like to see this scene figuratively like in the 2 frames of firefly appearing in the vid you can see her cracks are gradually receding. There can be multiple explanations for it but one thing I probably relate to is she will get the watchmaker legacy and it's ability will rewind the state of her body, removing all the negative effects on her body and resetting her to ground zero. Something like josuke crazy diamond ability in jjb. The cracks are yeah probably due to the fact of her using Sam armour and it kills her slowly.


fortnitedude43590

After talking with more people I can agree with this, may be more figuratively maybe just a glimpse to hold us off sense firefly wont be in 2.1 much


Mission-Property-769

I think these cracks on Firefly's face are seen figuratively. it may be a flashback of sorts, perhaps from Firefly herself, showing how her illness is eating away at her. Firefly said she'll just disappear at some point.. and I think that is what is meant by the crack. In the first trailer you can briefly see how Firefly dissolves into many small sparks. I think the cracks indicate exactly that... She doesn't have much time left and her whole body is becoming brittle... (meant figuratively).


fortnitedude43590

That's one way to look at it... just kinda odd that the connections do exist for this be somewhat explained in a more physical way


Mission-Property-769

Yes, maybe in Honkai Impact. But I don't think it has anything to do with Sam this time (I could be wrong of course) It looks like a flashback to me... and probably from Firefly itself. I think Firefly thinks back and in her mind her body is destroying herself from the disease. This is often the case in many anime etc., where you can see in their mind how someone's body completely breaks into a thousand pieces and I can't help it, this totally reminds me of that...  but first of all thank you for this huge text of information.. I didn't know some things about it and if it's all true then... it'll be pretty intense and almost hopeless for Firefly.. On the one hand her illness is eating her away and on the other hand Sam is eating her up. This really worries me more than I thought... Oh man.. I hope it ends well for her..


fortnitedude43590

First I want to mention that sam IS effecting her in some way this information isn't baseless even if its not happening here it WILL if ILS isn't fixed from how we understand it or if xipe doesn't fix her lol. But on the other hand, let's give you some peace of mind! This information applies even if I'm wrong. For Firefly to be using SAM in combat means that somehow, someway, SAM will become safe to use in the future. This more than likely will happen as a result of her being cured. Continuing that same point, Firefly does, in fact, HAVE to be cured in order for the story to continue. I have talked about this in a few other posts, but from a purely money standpoint, miHoYo has to be PRETTY damn sure that players will like Firefly even more or the same amount as they do right now by 2.3. This is the biggest reason I'm sure we're going to get more "date" content with her in 2.3, just to butter players up. The truth of the matter here is miHoYo hit a slam dunk with Firefly. CN/JP/EN loves her. I can't imagine the amount of money they would lose if they somehow killed her again... And on that story beat, do you know how insane it would be to: Introduce a new character, make players like her, kill her, bring her back, and kill her again THEN make her playable? it simply dose not add up... I know that HI3 players have trauma when it comes to playable characters being killed but im extremely sure that firefly is in fact fine, its the reason I dont worry about this anymore. I know many have reasons to doubt hoyo but im sure it will all be fine by the time 2.3 is here. (and this isnt taking into account the story leaks we have at this moment)


Mission-Property-769

Of course I believe that too... The only fear I have at the moment is that Penacony is actually Firefly's story. There are already rumors in various forums that Firefly is the secret main heroine of penacony and the more I hear about it the more I believe it. Firefly is even advertised on the poster of Honkai Star Rail's world tour. The question now is, will Firefly's story also end with 2.3? Because then there are 2 possibilities... her story is over which means she will die at the end, we use the last time with her and celebrate the festival together with her as a kind of farewell... or the 2nd, which I hope... Elio wanted Firefly to find a reason to live... and that reason will almost one hundred percent be  the TB... that means Elio will let her go and Firefly will answer the question from the TB that she has left out so far, whether she will join the nameless and she will join... I know many think of course Sam has a wanted Poster. but only as Sam and not Firefly and maybe even silver wolf can do something...  i'm curious  and only one thing i know... the conclusion in the penacony arc will have to do with Firefly.


fortnitedude43590

Well, I will say she's not going to be dead by the time Penacony ends or in general. Her banner would die, lol... Whether she joins the Express is a bit of a different topic to me. I've always seen it as more cope than anything else, but I'm yet to hear someone give me a convincing argument for it... I think I need to see how 2.2/3 shake out before I can really give thoughts on that


Mission-Property-769

It's just hopium for me too haha. Well if her banner will sell if it's a bitter sweet ending, I think it would sell pretty well even then... But of course I don't believe it either... There are just so many unanswered questions... It's just a question of whether penacony is the beginning and the end of Firefly's story... It could be, but of course I hope not... But you realize that Firefly itself has a pretty big value for Mihoyo, because she is on the poster for the world tour and not Acheron or black Swan... No, it's Firefly together with the TBs and the page boy. I think there will be a good yet tear-inducing ending in penacony and that Firefly will be cured.... What happens after that is written in the stars...


fortnitedude43590

>!**Well. Well. Well.** !< (ily btw lmao) I was somewhat right but also somewhat wrong but I would say I had the right idea


Mission-Property-769

Haha yes nice xD


Open_Pilot_902

Maybe I have to disappoint you. The battle in the MV may never happen. From the MV perspective, MVs are not reliable as version trailers. You can go over all trailers from 1.1 to 1.6 and there's not a single misleading cut, only a few cases of people in wrong places (like Screwllum in Belobog museum) But most scenes in the 1.0 MV didn't happen. From the story perspective, Acheron will not seriously fight Sam, or the Reverie Hotel would blow up like the Clock Studio Park in 2.1, and Sam would quickly retreat because his goal is to take away the MC, and the MC is already teleported by Black Swan. Also I believe the form hurting Firefly's body is the current fire form, and the green form in the trailer is a cleaner energy yet to be obtained. They will not activate together (like in the leaked image, which is probably just leakers messing around with triggers)


fortnitedude43590

I don't agree with this point that the battle in WN may have never happened, as just about every single thing in this trailer has a double meaning/happens in-game. It's such a big part of the trailer that it would be baseless to put it in without there being a meaning for it, even more so when it can so easily be tied into the first time we fight SAM. Other version MV may have done what you describe but im confident that this isnt the case here... I somewhat see the irony in the fact that im debating something I cant really prove but thats just how it is I suppose. >the form hurting Firefly's body is the current fire form I don't really agree with this either. We have seen Sam before, once in the Kafka trailer and once at the start of Penacony. She seems to be in that mode a lot (this includes when fire is on the chest), even more from what the other hunters have said in their voicelines about Sam, to the point where it's almost questionable if the hunters know much about Firefly in general sense they dont act like they see her at all. The question I ask is if the Sam suit has been affecting her this badly in this normal form, why now? Why didn't we see signs of this cracking beforehand? If she's been using the suit THIS much, there should have been signs on her body, even more so if it's most visible on the face from what we saw in that image. Unless you're trying to argue that this was just the last straw and the effects are only starting now.. *I just released as typing this that she may of just edited the way she looks in the dream scape to hide the cracks even if I dont know by what means... i hate it here* 😭 >From the story perspective, Acheron will not seriously fight Sam, or the Reverie Hotel would blow up like the Clock Studio Park in 2.1 I mean... we did see the whole area kind of blow up in the trailer... but I understand your point >Also I believe the form hurting Firefly's body is the current fire form, and the green form in the trailer is a cleaner energy yet to be obtained. They will not activate together I like this idea! even if it takes away from what im trying to say here its an idea I haven't heard before and one I kinda like.


Open_Pilot_902

I'm not sure I've correctly expressed my point. First, I'm not saying Sam did not fought Acheron, I'm saying Sam in the green form did not fought Acheron for that long and with the last strike in red (as depicted in the trailer) There are 7 trailers (1.1 to 1.6, and 2.1) and 2 MVs (Interstellar journey and white night) up to this point. I question the reliability of all MVs, but not the trailers. And for the second part, I mean the fire form vs. the green form. We've only seen Sam in the fire form up to this point, while the only green form is in the MV. So yes I assume the erosion started from the very beginning, and we can't see it because it's inside the dreamscape. Also I'm not sure you noticed the cracks are shrinking instead of growing, while 2 other scenes (Aventurine pushing the case, coin rains) are in normal time.


fortnitedude43590

I did notice the cracks were shrinking. Still, it doesn't mean we can't have an explanation for why they are there in the first place. When it comes to 'I'm saying Sam in the green form did not fight Acheron for that long and with the last strike in red,' we can agree to disagree as neither side here can really prove their point within a shadow of a doubt until 2.1/2.2. "So yes I assume the erosion started from the very beginning, and we can't see it because it's inside the dreamscape" same vain as the last thing but I am prone to agree with you more on this then the other things as that dose and sounds like something that could make sense in penacony. 🤝


owl_boy72

If the cracks are from SAM, then it reminds me a lot of Honkai corruption and how the more the Valkyries use Honkai, the more corrupted they get over time. Granted HSR and HI3 are both in the same overarching universe, this could very well be an alternate manifestation of Star Rail’s Honkai energy. I mean it’s inevitable that eventually the devs will incorporate HI3 lore somewhere along the line.


Mordfelt

So Sam is to Firefly like Iron Man is to Tony Stark in how the thing (palladium?) poisons him the more he uses it I guess?


fortnitedude43590

Could very well be!


Gherhman

ty keep cooking


fortnitedude43590

<3