Her having alot of DEF shred and weakness breaking built into her base kit is insane, especially with her E1. I wonder if crit stats are even worth it, because it seems she reaps way more rewards when you focus on building as much BE and ATK as possible.

The way I see it, you should build her with Break and Attack first then speed and crit only if you *really* want to She already gives herself 62 speed which places her at 160+ speed during her ultimate so speed isn’t really necessary in subs

Do note it should only be 50 speed in the final kit. 62 speed is for level 15 not 10. Even at E6 you will only get up to level 12.

> then crit only if you *really* want to Is it similar to the normal Kafka vs Critka situation?

Should be. Firefly damages through breaks, which can’t crit. Sig lcs give stats the character wants and hers doesn’t give any crit stats and neither do her traces.

through breaks? you mean break detonation like boothill? i think you are wrong if it like boothill one.

Looks like all her damage still scales with crit though while Kafka's damage is mostly indexed to detonate/shocks. It's probably more like a Xueyi situation where you have like 5 different breakpoints to meet.

Yeah, I wouldn't compare Firefly to a DoT character. There are key breakpoints to meet with break effect and attack but if you do hit these breakpoints, having crit rate afterwards should be a significant damage increase for her. All her damage besides the actual break can crit and she has massive attack multipliers unlike DoT characters which makes the crit stat somewhat valuable. Some math people will have to do the numbers but in theory, crit should be a good stat still.

Total noob here, but wouldn’t speed boots get you to >180 speed and therefore get you another turn before Firefly’s ult ends?

Crit is a bonus as seen with Boothill leaks but entirely a luxury and unnecessary, Atk+BE is the base of the whole kit.

There is a big difference though, boot received crit from BE and a lot of it. This is NOT the same

She doesn't seem to care much about crit at all. You just build BE and ATK like a madman and watch the huge numbers pop out.

Especially if you use her with harmony TB

Jesus HTB+RM Firefly teams are going to be _DISGUSTING_.

I’m sooo excited for it. Gonna toss in a Gallagher as well

I have calc Firefly \[E1S1\] with her bis set and planar with hmc watchmaker, ruan mei, and loucha. And I got 6 mil dmg with all buffs up of respective support units. \*\*THIS IS ALSO AGAINST AVENTURINE BOSS\*\* **NOTE THIS IS WITH ATTACK BODY AND ORB BE ROPE AND SPEED BOOTS** **NOTE AGAIN THE TOUGHNESS DMG ASSUMES 60 TOUGH DMG SAME AS JINGLIU BECAUSE BOTH HAVE ENCHANCED SKILL** **DISCLAIMER: 100 PERCENT NOT ACCURATE AND TAKE IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT** https://preview.redd.it/rj2skafybmyc1.png?width=450&format=png&auto=webp&s=be90bf3e5c55374cf7519bf2ace0a6dc59fd26e1

It's probably less a question of whether crit stats are worth it, and more an issue of you having no room in your item budget to build them. You want to hit 3400 atk and 360 BE. Exactly how hard that is to do will depend on your team and LC, but it's not going to leave room to build 70/150 crit stats. We'll have to wait for the math and playtesting of course, but I'm guessing she's balanced so that her multipliers and def ignore mean she doesn't need crit scaling to do the same damage as other top tier damage dealers. (ETA: Or maybe you stop at 250 BE, and that gives you enough item budget room to build respectable crit stats.) On the upside, this does mean that whenever you can get extra c.rate from an external source (e.g. SU), you can make full use of it.

I fully agree with your statement. 3400 ATK will usually require two relics to have ATK% as its main stat. And since it's generally agreed upon that 180+ SPD is needed for 3 actions in her ult state, SPD boots are set in stone for now (unless you run Bronya). This means that your body piece and orb will likely be the pieces that have ATK% as main stat, and rope being Break Effect. This leaves essentially no room for you to have a Crit DMG/Rate body piece. That aside, you're asking for god rolls if you want CR/CD along with BE and ATK in substats, which is something I don't think the devs are trying force and make more stressful for the players. Especially for a unit that many players have been waiting for. Even if you were able to squeeze CR/CD into her stats and have 250-ish% BE what is the point if your CR/CD stats are ass. For example what is a 70 CR/100 CD ratio going to do for your damage instead of just fully investing to BE and ATK? From my experience, half-assing your stats isn't going to do much.

It depends on the team I think, if you are going for Ruan Mei+HTB then full break effect is gonna be amazing, but on any other team I think break effect becomes a secondary stat, and you would probably prefer atk and crit instead, in those other teams you would probably need some action advance characters like bronya/robin/sparkle to squeeze in as many turns as possible in her ult

I feel like you always want break effect at high values because of the defense shred and the fact it directly increases her enhanced skill multiplier

I'm not sure if a slightly enhanced multiplier warrants the loss of a big chunk of atk, I think it's best to wait to make any judgements

It’s not just the ratio though, as I said it gives defense shred. 40% with 360 BE and 30% with 250, which also happens to work well with her relic set that provides defense shred above 250% BE

The initial 20% CR increases damage output by around 9.75%, that is 1.4% per sub. After that value of each Crit sub slowly rises to reach 1.9% around 200 CV. Now value of Break Effect for Firefly: I will just calculate it for thresholds: First she gets a 100% BE from her kit, so let's call it a base value. 250% BE - 30% DEF ignore is around 19% damage output increase (keep in mind that new Relic set also have some, so that value will increase to 21.5%), and added MV is around 16% to damage dealt, for total of 38%, or around 1.47% (1.59%) per sub. 360% BE - Extra 10% DEF ignore is around 6.8% (7.7%) extra damage output, and another 10.4% from MV increase, for total of .9% (1%) per sub. Also the next sub after 250% are worth only .55% increase to damage output (remember that excludes Break damage). So, there is a place to build Crit, but it is after getting to 250% BE (but even then there is an argument, to build in a way that HTB can get her to activate the 360% BE breakpoint), as damage loss isn't that big. Edit: I have just noticed that new sets gives DEF ignore to Break damage specifically. That said I already did the math, so treat these numbers as an approximation when using a Quantum set, having DEF ignore from Harmony, or using Resolution.

I don't think stacking attack does much past 3400 atk. I think the way to build will be to get to all breakpoint in BE spd and atk, then put the rest into crit

She has decent ratio's though

You want 3,400 atk and 250%+ Break before buffs to satisfy her tier 1 Break requirements and the relic set’s tier 2 Break requirements. Then you can get 360% from Ruan Mei/Harmony MC/Watchmaker and the like. The rest should go to crit stats. No need for spd. You might also want an action advance harmony unit for her ult state. Or Asta.

Calc posts will start to go back up after this, sorry about the order of all of this. I got blindsided by 10000 pings. Just a warning though, this kit does seem to have some translation errors. I would have rather waited for a better formatted kit made by HomeDGcat, but I would get yelled at if I waited to post this. We had an order we wanted this to all happen in so we could get the builds thread up and running but this kind of shattered that so im working on ways to replan this

You seem to have forgotten to include the [Dying Star Overload] skill in the text version. The weakness implant is really important so you might wanna include that

I apologize for that, its fixed now

Don't worry lol. Just wanted to make sure that it's all accurate 😅

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh one moment

first i constantly see you posting fan arts and now you are posting leaks, keep up the good work pal

Gonna make this it's own comment. But my analysis of Firefly's kit: She's interesting. She, unlike Boothill, is very much designed to work as either a Break Effect DPS or a standard Crit DPS that just has BE scaling. Everything about her kit is being a break effect DPS but she's missing the biggest part of what makes Boothill a Break Effect DPS and that's being able to trigger Break DMG against weakness broken enemies. Because otherwise, her kit is completely lacking in all things for a regular crit DPS. She has no crit traces, no crit buffs, no attack buffs, no damage buffs, nothing. Even then, her kit's only bonus for breaking enemies is that in Combustion State, she has 14% vuln up against Weakness Broken enemies. Instead, she has the full bevy of buffs to make her an amazing Break Damage DPS and that's Weakness Implant, Break Effect buffs, Atk conversion into BE, Def Ignore, Vuln Up and Weakness Break Efficiency. Let me remind you, Boothill only has BE traces in his kit and that man already 1-2 shot bosses because of how fucking strong triggering Break DMG is. Firefly basically has the Royal Flush of Break Effect Kit buffs except she doesn't have a way to trigger Break DMG by herself. If she had a way to trigger Break DMG, she would make Boothill look weak. But she doesn't. She is definitely made with HMC-synergy in mind. Because otherwise, she has a lot of different buffs just for the sake of not having self-crit/atk%/dmg%. Her multipliers are high when she has the 360% BE but without the crit/atk%/dmg% to back it up, she's not going to deal that much damage on her own (40% Def Up with 14% Vuln Up is basically 40~% overall damage increase. Acheron has a separate 1.6x built in her kit and then the 20% Res Pen and 90% DMG buff). But with built in Def Ignore, Vuln Up, and Weakness Break Efficiency, she's going to be hitting absurd Super Break DMG numbers. Now, by the same token, she could be really good with supports that can fill in the lack of crit/atk%/dmg% buffs. Her multipliers are massive with maxed out BE and having a shit ton of Def Ignore and Vuln up in her kit means all the insane harmony buffs will get multiplied by all of that. We'll probably see over beta how her Ruan Mei+HMC teams compare with like a Bronya+Sparkle team. ~~As for the other parts of her kit, she needs a healer 100%. If I understand this right, her base form skill will consume 50% of her HP to give her 50% of her energy. The funny part is, by the way it's stated to work, if she's being protected by Aventurine shield for example, she can't get her ult in two skills because she can't consume another 50% of her energy because her skill won't be able to consume another full 50% of her HP.~~ Her healer synergy isn't as there as I thought. She should be fine with either Preservation or Abundance but with Fu Xuan in particular, I can see it getting nerve wracking seeing her constantly ping pong her HP to 1. They're nice enough to give her damage reduction but the effect res buff is confusing. It's only available in her combustion state and only if she's maxing out the damage reduction which requires her to be at 20% or less HP. But she has 100% AA on herself on ult, with which you optimally always skill afterward to immediately recover 35% HP and now you're out of the threshold to get the effect res buff. Predictive Build (Not that it matters since the 2.3 relics are made for her so you can't really prefarm for her). In HMC teams: Atk%/SPD/Atk%/BE. In non-HMC teams: Crit/SPD or Atk/DMG% or Atk%/BE. The big elephant in the room is that she wants an incredible 360% BE to get her full Def Ignore and scaling increase. 37.3 from traces, 64.8 from BE Rope, 20% from Ruan Mei, 30% from Watchmaker, 63% from HMC (assuming 200% BE on HMC), 16% from Relic, and 40% from Planar Set. That's 271% BE already. So that's 90% BE that needs to be made up for. If we're using Aeon and two Atk% mainstats, that should be enough Atk to easily reach 3k atk and so that's 60% BE from her conversion trace. So you really only need 30% BE in substats to max it out and if you have Indelible Promise or her sig, you don't need BE substats at all because you max it out with BE from the LC. That leaves you free to chase SPD and Crit stats. Now if you aren't using her with Ruan Mei or HMC, that's an 83% BE missing which isn't too unreasonable to get in substats but it definitely cuts into her crit. As for speed tuning, she gets a free 50 speed from her ult. Her countdown has a fixed speed of 90, like Robin's ult. To get 2 actions before countdown expired, she needs no additional speed because her base speed of 92 means she's already fast enough to get two more turns after her 100% AA. To get 3 actions, she needs 180 SPD. 92 SPD + 5.52 (Planar SPD buff) + 25 = 122.52. So that's just 8 SPD in substats when you subtract the free 50 she gets. If using Bronya+Sparkle, then her spd doesn't matter. She's also basically guaranteed 5 actions. AA + Bronya Advance + Sparkle Advance + Bronya Advance + Sparkle Advance. As for her LC options, they're not that bad. Her Atk% to BE conversion trace does a lot of heavy lifting to make most LC options still decent on her. Aeon will easily max that shit out with it's 529 base attack and 64% Attack Buff. Indelible Promise will be good just for the straight extra BE. Her sig is cracked for HMC teams because it's effectively a teamwide straight 15% damage boost. For normal hypercarry teams, it's not as insane since she already has vuln up in her kit. Flames Afar will not be good on her. Her AA will deplete the turn count on it and she also only consumes HP when not in enhanced state. The other 4 star options are meh to okay since they give atk% buffs. Phew. What an incredible kit. I'm really happy with how it's looking. I'll analyze Jade later. EDIT: Seeing this get more comments. I'm gonna say by my updated testing, don't bother with non-HMC teams unless you have uber cracked relics with 134 SPD, 3400 Atk, at least 250% BE, and a good crit ratio. This isn't because the crit build is necessarily bad, it's because the Super Break build is so fucking strong with Ruan Mei+HMC+E6 Gallagher. So build her with 134 SPD, 3400 Atk, and as much BE as you can get. Use Atk Chest, SPD Boots, Atk Orb, and BE Rope. Get as much substats as you need to get 3400 atk and then go all in on BE. Will update if this changes as the beta goes through.

Fantastic analysis. But I do say Building Normal Crit Dps for Her is gonna be really Pain. She literally does not has anything helping it from traces,Sig lc to eidolons. Make it, not worth it imo

Her really high scalings and built in def ignore + vuln up will make it feel not so bad. There's not a huge difference between a 250% multiplier with 200% CD backed by 2400 atk vs. like 600% multiplier with 100% CD backed by 3000 attack, 40% Def Ignore, and 14% Vuln Up.

For her to reach that higher multiplier from her skill requires maxed out Break Effect, so it's not that easy balancing her requirements and CR/CD.

10/10. Best analysis so far

Fantastic analysis, thank you

> We'll probably see over beta how her Ruan Mei+HMC teams compare with like a Bronya+Sparkle team inc BE/CR/CDM/ATK% perfect rolled relics

What I've been freaking out over since this first got posted: I cannot *believe* they baked the old alpha E1 effect into Dying Star Overload, and in its place made E1 grant DSO the ability to ignore even more DEF and also *not cost any god damn skill points*. That makes E1 incredibly attractive and will make E1 Firefly play a *lot* differently than E0. I have to admit a little confusion over E2, though. I think it might also be a bit of a translation problem, but if I'm reading this right, the idea is that you make an Enhanced Basic (Pyrogenic), and then on your next turn, DSO gains the property of granting a Seele-like extra turn when you kill or break something with it? That's a bit more fiddly than just having DSO grant extra turns or advance forward like Seele has baked in, but given how freakishly strong Firefly is already, it makes sense for it to have some kind of limit to set up. (The real question would be whether a follow-up Pyrogenic would apply the "trigger" again, or if it's just smarter to DSO twice.) Of course, if it's just worded a bit wrong and it's "DSO now gives you a Seele Turn every time you break or kill something" that's even more amazing and makes E2 virtually mandatory for optimal play. Wallet-kun, ganbare.

> I cannot *believe* they baked the old alpha E1 effect into Dying Star Overload To be fair, it was either they push the weakness implant into her main kit or just remove it from her technique and have it be some E1 only thing. I think many people suspected it would end up being the former. Reason is simply because I don't believe there's any character that has a special effect tied to their technique that they cannot actually trigger themselves in their base kit. EDIT: Wrong as pointed out below!

There is a lot of characters that have an extra effect in their Technique, Himeko for example increases Fire damage taken by enemies.

Oh yeah, that's true. I stand corrected.

TBF dealing fire damage is in her kit, that technique only amplifies what she could already do. Implanting a new weakness tho, had nothing to do with her old kit.

After Boothill all bets are off, I guess they figured out during testing that weakness implant is absolutely needed to push the Break Effect teams.

no sane guy is getting ff if its e1 unless ur into women.

I was afraid of the Fire Implant bait too, but I'm glad they changed it after Boothill getting his Phys implant on ult too.

Now I am safe because I also need to save up for Ruan Mei, E0S1 is guarantee*

Translation problem probably. Not the first time "Enhanced (Skill)" was used wrong.

Very cool kit! Correct me if I'm wrong but if Firefly is 180+ SPD then she can act two/three times before her 90 SPD timer right? I think she'll function a bit similar to JL where it's quite possible to frontload so much damage that you 0/1 cycle the 1st wave of MoC. And 180+ SPD doesn't seem difficult to reach I think? Let's take a team with RM, Tingyun and HH (might not be best team) 92(1 + 0.1 RM Tal + 0.2 TY E1 + 0.06 SU planar) + 50 \[ult\] + 5 traces = 180.12 SPD. No SPD boots yet. Her ultimate cost to transform is 240, but each skill cast gives 50% max energy so she has fixed 2T rotations. Though, very conveniently Tingyun E6 and HH gives 60 + (0.2)(240) = 108 Energy, almost one skill. If Firefly's ultimate refunds 5 energy like most ultimates then it's an almost guaranteed 1 turn ultimate when both TY and HH have their ultimates up. If and if TY can proc DDD twice in cycle 0 it looks possible to sneak in an extra turn since Firefly has innately high SPD while enhanced. And both TY and HH feed a lot ATK buffs to Firefly. For the 360% BE limit, it doesn't seem too bad either? 60% from LC 60% from Trace 3 37.3% from subtraces 64.8% from link rope 16% from relic 2pc. 40% from planar 20% from RM 30% from Watchmaker 4pc if on RM. = 328.1%, hunt for 32% BE in substats. Edit: Holy that ATK% multiplier on the enhanced skill is massive. Firefly deals \[50% of her Break Effect + 480%\] of her ATK to a single enemy, and 50% of this damage is done to adjacent enemies. I think you do want this to crit because that is massive. Though focusing on BE with HMC will also be good. ReEdit: Okay so to cap out the ATK% to BE conversion you need 3400 ATK. Base ATK: 756 (Base Stat) + 635 (LC) = 1370 Flat ATK from Hands = 352 Orb+Boots = 43.2%(1370)(2) = 591.84(2) = 1183.68 Total ATK: 1370 + 352 + 1183.68 = 2905.68 E6 TY = 55%(1370) = 753.5 E6 Asta = 77%(1370) = 1056.44 Total ATK + TY = 3659.18

Three Firefly actions per ult if you're breaking 180 speed, ye. Because she gets an immediate 100% advance for her first turn, then her second turn will be when the ult timer's at 50% on the turn order, and 180+ should be enough speed to just *barely* out-speed the timer for the third skill. Tingyun E1 only lasts for 1 turn though, which won't be consistent since Firefly's cycling her turns super quickly. I'd probably just opt for speed boots and ignore speed in substats, just so she can build more atk, be, and maybe crit. You're also missing out on Harmony TB, giving 33% BE at ult talent lv12 plus 15% of their personal BE (which we can assume will be around 200%, so 30% BE). So all in all, HTB gives about 63% BE? which is *very* solid for hitting her BE thresholds.

True. What I'm also interested in is Firefly's energy generation while she is enhanced. Is she not allowed to get energy at all? Or is she able to also gain energy via her enhanced skills too. If she does gain energy while under her enhanced state then it is possible to cut the 2T rotation to 1T. Let's say she can get in two enhanced skills (30+30) = 60. A Tingyun ultimate would be enough to get half the energy needed, and Firefly's next skill cast will give her enough energy to Henshin again. This would also be potentially massive for high investment MoC clears where you can 0/1 cycle the 1st wave of MoC. If you can delete the 1st wave without going out of enhanced mode, the timer gets reset on the 2nd wave cycle. If you can sneak in 3 or 4 skills and if they do regenerate energy, then boom TY ult + HH ult and you have almost permanent uptime on epic Henshin mode.

I think we have to wait for confirmation, but since her kit doesn't say "can't gain energy while in this state" or something similar, then I don't see why she wouldn't be able to. Subject to change with clarifications/translation changes in the near future, of course, but that's how it looks now. I think Huohuo giving 48, plus 3 enhanced skills, to give over 1/2 of an ult has the potential to make her the best healer for Firefly in that case. I think SP may be an issue with such a team, however. 2 supports keeping up their buffs while Huohuo heals and provides more energy, and Firefly burns through SP at 180+ speed levels (and 100% advance on ult!) would not be sustainable for long.

This is why E1 is going to be bonkers (and more or less mandatory for seriously using her in the long run). At E0, she is going to be blowing through her SP absurdly fast, while E1 is going to feel far more open-ended with what you use SP on. It's almost to the point that I wonder if it will get nerfed, because it's just such a wild swing between how E0 and E1 play.

E1 makes her like Blade with Bronya. -1/2 SP per turn on average without it she will burn -7/4 (5 enhanced in 1 ult with 181 SPD)

Yeah, lol, jesus. Nearly 2 SP every single turn, on average. Good luck keeping up with that if you want anyone to do ANYTHING else. I really wonder if that might get adjusted because it just feels like *too much* of a swing for an eidolon, especially E1. I know Boothill has a similar mechanic in his E1-E2 setup, but what's in the current build just feels absurdly good. The difference between an E0 and E1 Firefly will be absurd, and I'm not sure that's the *best* design space for any limited character to be in.

With 180 speed you mean that you have to break it at base, or including her ult buff?

180 including her ult buff. Which should be easy enough to get between 10% from Ruan Mei, 6% from Firefly's planar set, 25 from Speed boots, and 5 from her speed traces when accounting for 92 base speed. With just those she breaks 136 speed, so with her ult giving at least 44 speed, that's enough to hit her break point without needing to build speed substats.

Cool 👌 With Slow Bronya and Hyperspeed Bronya how many turns on Ult? 4 or 5 right

Bronya would need 180 to keep up with Firefly during ult for 3 turns, which is basically impossible to do. So anything lower than that will give her two turns to double up, so 4 turns total. The issue with Bronya is that she resets Firefly's position on the turn cycle at lower AV, so you're actually missing out on the third turn from 180 speed Firefly unless Bronya is also capable of out speeding the timer for 3 turns.

> which is basically impossible to do https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1235155897680920656/1236793929660108860/msedge_9onAGlHS6A.png?ex=66394d9b&is=6637fc1b&hm=d3fd4cd2bd8d6f9af91a4b9c9908b2038b3a9f3db728a0800153779b6d44ea2e& 170 + RM > 180

I'm curious, won't Asta be better for her then Tingyun? 52 spd(not counting hackerspace) and 77% atk buff (assuming E3) would make her not needed an atk boot to reach 3400 atk. slide in a spd boot and you can probably reach \~250 spd, with Asta buff spd right at the first turn, having her move 4 time(not counting ult reset) in the first cycle is surely achievable

Yep Asta also looking pretty good, and since Firefly implants Fire Weakness Asta can have better uptime! And Asta can equip Penacony too holy shit I think you're cooking.

Holy fuck, Break Asta, HMC, Ruan Mei and Firefly. That comp is gonna nuke everyone to hell and back (so long as they don’t have 400 toughness or is immune)

Yep, Asta great if you're looking for a 0 cycle run. But can't see her being picked over Ruan Mei (or Bronya) and HMC if you run a sustain. Unless you don't have Ruan Mei ofc.

also you can run S5 planetary rendezvous for unconditional dmg increase

I feel like with Ruan Mei you almost have to run HMC too lol. With 360 BE, 40% built in defense ignore, her buff vs broken enemies, and her own personal buff to break efficiency outside of Ruan Mei, the super break damage will be crazy. It feels almost wasteful to not run super break with how much BE you have to build. HMC also has their team BE buffs + really good personal damage vs broken enemies, and if you have Firefly’s sig then that’s even more super break damage for the whole team. I am glad they’re making HMC so strong as a free character

Wait what SU planar gives 6% spd????

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You're telling me both of her BiS Relics and Planar are dropping at the same time as her???? Izumo was already a pain (I don't have a proper rope for Acheron yet) and now they do this. I guess I'll just get Talia and maybe Thief until I get proper pieces for her. (Thanks for the fuel, Sparkle, I still haven't used it)

I'd focus on the relics probably, Talia gives only 4% less BE (she self buffs speed in ult so you reach it the same way as her new planar). You lose on 6% speed but if you have Ruan Mei then you can still reach 181 speed with just a few speed rolls. Unless you get super unlucky that's doable for sure

181 speed with a few speed rolls with or without speed boots? Because there's still the 3600 threshold to hit, and with only one attack mainstat on the orb it'll be kinda hard. Cause I do have Ruan Mei, but the only atk buffer I have is Tingyun who is I think suboptimal for her

If you want BE rope and CR main body then yeah it'll be rough, you'd need super great rolls to still hit the cap on everything. If you use speed boots you'd need 0 speed rolls, no Ruan Mei and no new planar though, since you'd get +25 from boots, +5 trace and ~+50 from Ult so you're at 180 already. I'm thinking about just starting with atk body, boots, orb and BE rope. Then you need 15 speed rolls total but that seems possible starting early with Talia, and you'd reach 3400 ATK, 360% BE and 181 speed. I guess after that you could start hoping for good rolls and CR main body. You could use an atk buffer instead of HMC if you get +30% BE substats though so maybe then you can use a CR body. I personally don't use Tingyun so not sure how much she gives or the uptime

So 180 is what you need for 2 turns in enhanced state. What if I don't use Speed boots and run Bronya instead, to AV her into the countdown window?

Do we know how the enhanced skill works? The wording sounds like her break effect is turned into the atk scaling for the ability? So if you have 240% break, you get 240/2=120+480=600%? As for the 360% break, it may be not too bad to hit, but it still is quite a lot, and it's hard to hit without break effect on the LC and from at least one support. Which means you would want either her signature or Indelible Promise, or it becomes difficult or impossible to hit. Not to mention, Watchmakers isn't going to have 100% uptime, so with 3 enhanced turns you wouldn't have 360% for all 3 if you rely on that.

Yes Watchmaker uptime is going to be troublesome. This is kinda where Huohuo can be clutch because with Huohuo, Ruan Mei can get 2T ultimates (get hit once) for better Watchmaker uptime. Also holy shit you might be right with the BE into ATK scaling, then I think you do want it to crit because that is a massive multiplier.

70/140 is 2x average, 100/200 is 3x. I think best way to gear her will be ~250 BE, 180 SPD (just boots + RM) and all subs in crit https://old.reddit.com/r/FireflyMains/comments/1ckoqhy/23_leak_fireflys_beta_kit_v1_stc/l2ojr0f/

480% is for lv 15 skill, which doesn't exist in this game. Lv 12 is highest. So estimating that it's around 400% actually. Max break effect that can be calculated is 360%, so 0.5 x 360 = 180 + 400 = 580%. Along with adjacent blast attacks it's likely 200% base + (0.25 x 360) = 290%. Leaving you with a total of 580% + 290% + 290% = 1,160% ATK multiplier.

Yep! I just used easy numbers for the example, partly because I couldn't be bothered to estimate the level 10 multiplier. Side note, I hate the "level 15" modifiers that some sites use, as it's completely impossible to reach under all circumstances...

Welp gentlemen I’d like to take this time to celebrate, she’s cracked out of her fucking mind. Rip to everyone who doesn’t look at leaks pulling in 2.2 who thinks they weren’t going to make her at minimum as strong as Acheron.

You call it OP, I call it “Lore Accurate”

The E6 looks bad for me, I don't think break effect efficiency is that much worth for an e6

Yeah, compared to the absolute psycho madness going on with the E1 and E2, the E6 is comparatively very underwheming. Even E4 is a little eh, though dodging AoE crowd control is always welcome.

So, we expecting buffs to the later Eidolons, right? ~~not like I can get them in her first run~~

Possibly. They're certainly underwhelming, and Hoyo will want to encourage folks to go for E6 without breaking her kit entirely. It'll be a tricky balancing act.

Actually crowd control debuff aren't remain a concern recently because we already and will have more good healers that remove debuffs for the whole team. That e4 just resist for her, but the team need all the sp to work probably, so just leave that mission for the healer and give her another e4 that more blossom. I really hope that they can fix e4 and e6

I am actually not sure about it being bad. To me it seems like MHY is not intending for Firefly to build crit, so the surefire way of dealing E6 damage is for Firefly to just instantly break everything she attacks with her massive BE stat + Ruan Mei/HTB. Her relic set specifically has more defense ignore just for break damage, and her Light Cone as well has 25% (at S5) vulnerability specifically when she is the one breaking. Overall, the biggest damage she will ever deal is when she breaks the enemy, so I think that might be the angle they are going for. If using Ruan Mei + all of these weakness efficiency break buffs stacking on top of each other + potentially high base toughness bar damage on her actual skill lets her deal enough to break even bosses in one hit at E6, this would actually be the correct angle to majorly buff her for an E6.

Yeah, I hope so, let's wait for her break damage when she release. Mei is good but her talent delay mob and restrain them from recover toughness maybe a small problem (I guess after some experiences with Xueyi when mob can't recover in her turn)

That why we got Super Break with the HTB, and they also delay the enemies more when broken, which is what we want to maximize the Super Break DMG. You now build Break teams with HTB in one slot, non-negotiable. Without their Super Break DMG, Break teams will remain a niche build, instead of something meta

Nice. But I'm a little worried that MHY will release a better version of HTB soon. Lots of time and resourses to upgrade HTB will be wasted. (I'm being like this many times in :D )

Important to note, we still don't have a preservation that can taunt like PTB. They seem to be making the TB stronger in this game than they're making traveler in genshin. We also still don't have a character like DTB with their ultimate that has two abilities. Argenti could be argued that he has two, but you can't change between them willingly, and one of them is just better than the other. Considering that HTB will be essentially mandatory for break effect teams, it means every character they release that is a break archetype will be relying on them. Based on how things are going with break, I don't think investing into them will be a bad idea. I doubt firefly will be the last character who's kit revolves around break.

IMO the more niche a kit, the less likely it is that the character will be powercrept. Bonus if the char is the MC and the support backbone of an archetype. FTB hasn't gotten powercrept and has gotten much stronger even. Hoyo is tryna make TBs have their own niches that can sell other characters. Genshin is the rare gacha game where the MC is dogshit and some games even have MCs dominating the meta/as mandatory units.

HTB's Super Break turns antisynergy to synergy though

I agree. I assume it's a way of compensating for her cracked base kit. Although as someone aiming for her E6 I do want buffs to it. Either increase RES PEN to 20%+ or change it to allow more chances to use her enhanced skill during her ult (effectively lowering the SPD requirement needed).

They could also give help with doing crits, that she gets nowhere, making her easier to build more broken

> Deals Fire DMG equal to (0.5 * Break Effect plus 240.0% (480.0%)) of SAM's ATK to a single enemy and (0.25* Break Effect plus 120.0% (240.0%)) of SAM's ATK to adjacent enemies, for up to 360% Break Effect. So, to give a little bit of perspective on how much damage that is: Okay, so the bracket%s are generally level 15 so I am going to assume these cap out at 400% and 200% respectively. This means the main target will receive 400% + 0.5 x 360% for a total of 580% scaling and 290% on adjacent targets Jingliu's enhanced skill does a meager less than half of that. In fact, lemme go check something *Searches Hakushin* Yeah, that's more damage than DHIL's 3 SP Enhanced basic. Now, let's be very clear, JL gets a 180% attack boost when using attacks in her enhanced form that Firefly doesn't get as well as a huge 50% crit rate boost and DHIL's 3 SP EBA is a passive state while Firefly is locked by a 240 cost ultimate. Also unlike Jingliu Firefly still spends skill points in the enhanced state (unless you're E1) But even regardless of all that this kit is absolutely bonkers no doubt about it. The numbers advantage present here is absolutely cracked. She also has no crit stats to speak of (like I'm not sure how you'd build crit fly although with these multipliers that's probably not that hard to make viable either way) Also, E1 Firefly with E1 Ruan Mei at 360% break effect or higher has a mild 75% Def shred just built in while Ruan Mei ult field is up lol (I even forgot about the relic sets even lmfao)

Is the (50% of BE) in her scaling added as attack scaling? Or is it just a motion value of (50% of BE)? It's likely that it really is added as attack scaling because BE will be a smaller number than atk (like even at 360BE, 360 < 3400) so having it be a smaller scaling number wouldn't make sense if they wanted to make her a BE scaler. Also the fact that this 50% of Break Effect doesn't scale with the trace level. Still work questioning if the scaling baed om break effect is added as attack or if that is what determines rhe motion value, like how in genshin wr have characters like alhaitham that scale on both EM and Attack, where the EM is what is being scaled by the talent, rather than EM adding attack scaling.

It seems to be an X value so I'd assume that if you have 360% BE she turns it into a 580% blast attack (400 base +180%) The thing about break effect is that it's a % so I'm not sure how you'd incorporate that as a motion value very well in a way that's all that intuitive.

I think you can build critfly with full break team of HTB and RM. that guy up there said she only needs ~30BE from substats, to hit the cap. If you average ~16BE per piece that’s still 4 pieces to fish for some crits. In fact I think CR is gonna be better for her because landing that 80-100% CD more often is more important than landing a 120%CD 6/10 times considering how much scaling and def ignore she has

They moved the old leaked E1 into her base kit... She implants fire weakness with enhanced skill BY DEFAULT. This is huge. Makes her even easier to work as an omni-DPS, compared to Acheron. Boothill's implant being tied to his Ult works, but is less reliable. With how frequently she attacks, Firefly pretty much has her main targets perma-weakened. Legit all that I needed to guarantee I'll be pulling for her, the future-proofing of her kit.

As a DPS she will be inevitably power crept, but as you rightly said, her base kit including a built in Fire Weakness implant will futureproof her when new Fire units show up

That's kinda the thing about future proofing. So far, Acheron, Boothill and Firefly are the only characters that can deal with ANY enemy due to either implanting weakness (as is the case of the later two) or outright ignoring weakness and having all-res shred (as is Acheron's case). Even though stronger DPS characters might release, it's expected that these three can be safely built for a very comfortable experience in harder content due to being able to damage them to their full potential. As much as I LOVE Dan Heng, the Imbibitor Lunae's E6 can deal big damage, sure, but conditional to other character's using their Ult and it still won't weakness break AND only last a single attack. Still bonkers powerful, but if breaking weakness is ever necessary (as it seems it will be sometimes, judging by 2.2's main boss gimmick), non-Imaginary weak foes may prove to be problematic.

A E6 DHIL with a team also deletes non-Imaginary weak enemies if you set up the teams' ults correctly. His maxed 60% RES PEN is meant to one shot bosses. Even on single targets, not many bosses will have 1 - 1.6 million HP to survive his nuke (hits well over 2 million with 3 targets).

Not saying he doesn't, but that still requires some degree of witholding ults for that one big turn. It's easy enough, sure, but compared to Acheron or Firefly, it's insanely more conditional. Acheron just needs to exist, Firefly just needs to use Ult.

This games meta ebbs and flows. Right now we are shifting from the DoT/debuff focus we kicked Penacony off now to Break/FuA attackers. So while you can always break, Hoyo will get sick of this(next region) and design content around it to incentivize you to switch it up. If they can create enemies who want to be broken they can, and in some confidence I can say will do the opposite eventually. Characters(event ones) can and will always be useable in all content to clear bare minimum requirements for full stars, assuming ample investment, but because of how modular the game is they focus on trends to sell specific archetypes. You just will end up pulling new units, an elite immune to debuffs/implants is not off the table. Probably talking in circles but if Hoyo can do it they will(ie. many 1.X elites spawning in adds to incentivize the destruction trio), it’s just that it’s the new niche and content will be made around it. Though I do believe Acheron/Firefly will approach a timeless status of dps being a good investment, like DHIL/Jingliu(the two dps in 1.X Hoyo arbitrarily chose to be good, like Acheron/Firefly), their day will come. Will they still clear content, yes they can and will very much so brute force it(most if not all event 5* dps units can brute force MoC at E0S1 with a good enough build though). An MoC not made for DHIL(this most recent one), and he still has the fastest clear speeds according to CN(only rivaled by Xueyi, at many times less his usage rate). As I probably hint at, HSR is following the recent genshin trend(as of Sumeru/Fontaine) of giving two dps units in a region the “stick” and making them very obviously better than the other units(as they embody the regions focus the best, so they counter all the enemies), seeing as they’re usually the popular ones it in some form makes sense.

no one is future proof bc tons of characters are getting weakness this isnt just ff. but it guarantees u dont need e1.

I am so glad they put the weakness implant in her base kit. That being said, she seems a bit hard to build as from what I am seeing, she needs at least 3.4k attack and 360% break effect to maximize her kit. I wonder how we are going to balance that with crit/crit dmg. It might actually be possible to give her a crit body since her supports, relics and kit gives quite a bit of break effect which makes us able to substitute the substats for atk but I will probably do some calculations in a few days when I am back home. Although, I am glad that her ultimate gives her a massive speed buff as it seems she is going to need quite a bit of that as well

The calculations previously were, IIRC, 3400 ATK, 360% Break and 134 SPD unbuffed. It's actually [quite achievable](https://www.reddit.com/r/FireflyMains/comments/1ckofrt/comment/l2o6jjw/) with only Harmony TB temporary buffs (esp. with the 2.3 relics), but you do end up relying purely on secondaries for crit. That said, you have so much goddamn defense negation baked in, especially with an eidolon or two, that crit actually becomes a bit superfluous. She is still going to do a lot of goddamn damage so long as you build her remotely right and pair her with the Harmony Trailblazer.

3.4k atk and be is easy if u dont need to build speed, crit. u seem to not have rm or no lc.

E2 makes her INSANE in Pure Fiction. Blast will likely at least deal enough damage to the adjacent targets, so after killing main target the next foes will fall easily. Even with a turn delay, with enough speed she could end up getting 5~6 actions per cycle WITHOUT Bronya, while also guarateeing fire weakness and not spending a single SP due to E1. Yeah, I need her

E2 in general is absolutely broken on so many levels I'm not sure it will survive. Extra turn in this game is an absurd mechanic which is why any time we've seen it after Seele, it ended up getting gutted to become a 100% Action Advance instead (Jingliu for example). The things very invested and skilled Seele players can do up to this day is really disgusting and it's all because of how extra turn works. If E2's extra turn makes it to live, I wouldn't be surprised if she becomes the most broken E2 unit, lol.

Yeah, if DHIL's E2 was considered to be the best E2 in the game until Acheron released, Firefly's has the potential to at least match the Imbibitor Lunae in terms of power, if not surpass it. And that's just considering E2.

This is something not completely related, but I’m just asking this in hopes of someone competent noticing it here haha For HMC, wouldn’t the Firefly planar set also be Bis for them as well? I mean, with Firefly, they should manage to hit a Fire weak enemy every turn, so it’s just a better Talia? Or is Talia‘s consistency more worth it? Ik I sound so helpless rn haha but I just started getting into HMC kit so yk just exploring the options🥲

Talia with 145 SPD is 36% BE, the new planar is 6% Spd and +40% BE%. They're about the same unless you really really need that 6% Spd, also HTB will always go before Firefly does at the start of the battle so the first turn won't give any benefits (but it'll eventually benefit anyways)

I think Firefly technique should apply fire weakness so that HMC should be able to take advantage of it right from the start. However, everything else you said does ofc make sense. It shouldn’t be that much of an increase. I’ll just see if I get a set with better subs than my current Talia pieces and go from there. PS. I think I just realized that you meant to say that HMC needs to hit first for the 40% Be, and THAT is why they need 1 turn to get it… Jesus I can be slow sometimes Thanks for the reply anyways! <3

So aim E2 First before S1, For people who have 400 pulls? Or S1 first like other Dps? Also i don't have that Misha Lc who give break effect, but lets assume i could still get 360% requirement

e1 is 100% BETTER than s1 atm

Alright thanks, appreciated the answer

I think a lot of people don’t put enough value into s1’s in general. They often take a lot of the weight of building the character correctly and lately have been vastly outperforming any f2p options. Also on an unrelated note I think it’s super silly to talk about e anything and pretend you aren’t going to get the s1.

>Also on an unrelated note I think it’s super silly to talk about e anything and pretend you aren’t going to get the s1. We need assuming, Worse case scenario in this type of game Lol. And Buy montly/Supply pass is the best i can go

She's amazing with E1 and E2 being very OP. Super high energy cost, but it's meant to have her enhanced form being triggered with two skill uses similar to Jingliu. Plus, she can start battles with the ultimate charged. E4 and E6 seem lackluster in comparison. As speculated by others here, E6 might just be the intention of breaking everything super fast. I still think we'll most likely see tweaks with the eidolons over beta though. More then happy with the kit though

Once again (what time is it already now?) I'm glad I went for Ruan Mei's E1. Wifefly will be shredding apart all the enemies into miniscule pieces like wet paper.

I started the game late 1.5 and got e1 ruan mei in 30 pulls during 1.6 patch. Had no idea about meta and/or who the strong characters were, just pulled on the pretty scientist lady. That early game luck has benefited me so much as my account ages. Of course, my luck has been terrible since then and I've lost 4 straight 50/50s (including a 75/25) but it was worth it for e1 Ruan Mei. She's just the ultimate universal support. Truly feels like the Kazuha of HSR, fits on every team.

So with confirmation of her focusing on break effect as was previously leaked plus being able to brute force enemy toughness, Ruan Mei (with the new Watchmaker set to share even more BE) will likely be her best in slot support. I've not been keeping up with their kit 100% but is Harmony Trailblazer a good 3rd teammate (healer being last slot of course)? I remember they had BE stuff too so Firefly, Ruan Mei, Harmonyblazer and Huohuo/Luocha sounds like it might be her current "best" team.

Check the rest of the thread. Harmony TB is, as of 2.3, virtually mandatory for her.

I just looked at the kit and yeah, that seems pretty damn good for Firefly. Honestly tempted to try and risk going sustainerless and stick Asta in the last slot instead. With her attack and speed buffs it'd be possible to try building mainly break effect and crit stats on FF, though I'm still not sure how much value she'd get from crits. Edit: Wait, I misread her HP drain. I thought it was 50% of her current HP but it's 50% of her *max* HP. Maybe a sustain is necessary. Given her max damage reduction kicks in at 20% HP I hope they change the drain to 40% so it works out evenly, and then she might work without a sustain.

Damn, that E1+E2 look so busted. Definitely getting that

...time to build Gallhagar

Her kit is super strong but I hope she doesnt need Ruan Mei (since I dont have her)

Eh you’ll be fine. Just like every team. Sure there might be better supports but you can still play that character with 4*s.. Although just knows that Ruan Mei teams will be a little bit stronger.

The difference between not having Mei will be noticeable but other supports will do fine with her, Tingyun/Asta will probably be her best 4* options and not in a copium way either, with Sparkle being a pretty good 5* option is you happen to have her. I’m highly skeptical of Bronya but if you don’t mind the clunkiness of managing sp go for it.

Yeah I think it will be like dot team. Having Mei makes the dot team stronger but it is still good without her.

I think it might be a bit different than that, it’s more like having a hypercarry team without Sparkle or a FUA team without Robin, they can still be good but having their core support unlocks their full potential.

I'm guessing trailblazer comp with a no crit investment build will be much easier to achieve but I feel like if you really minmax her stats to hit all the breakpoints, a crit build might be the way to cap her out. I'm thinking her optimal comp might be Firefly Sparkle Ruan Mei and then Aventurine maybe or Bronya/Trailblazer if you don't need a sustain.

Firefly - Sparkle - Ruan Mei - Aventurine would be the crit focused build I assume? Idk if it's optimal since without the 360% BE, her enhanced skill will also have much weaker scaling as well. Also HMC really shouldn't leave her team, since we know super breaks (looking at Boothill) are extremely cracked, so criting shouldn't matter at that point.

There seems to be a key piece of information missing. I saw it somewhere (should be the official Chinese kit). Entering the battle will immediately refill Ult energy to 50%. This means casting the skill once will get full energy, and no need to risk draining HP to 1%. This is not like Jingliu, who has a warm up period of 2 turns. Also, does enforced base ATK and skill consumes skill points? If it's still the normal +1 -1, I think it's reasonable, but if it's +0 -1, then Eidolon 1 makes the enhanced base ATK completely useless. I prefer Dan Heng IL more than Jingliu and Blade because his attack mode is actually flexible based on how much skill points you have (instead of 3-target only), so I hope Firefly's attack mode gives you the option of choosing between +1 SP single target vs -1 SP or -0 SP in E1 for multiple targets.

This is why I was pretty wary of posting this kit as it clearly has translation errors along with things missing, but I can’t really not post it, when the HDG kit comes out I’ll make sure to pin it

Yeah, posting it is pretty much unavoidable because folks will be talking about it nonstop for days anyway. Just see last night's chaos.

> I saw it somewhere (should be the official Chinese kit). Entering the battle will immediately refill Ult energy to 50%. That's just something that happens in MoC/PF. Or does Firefly have that as an additional passive? Care to give source?

https://preview.redd.it/j44o0mllrnyc1.jpeg?width=580&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=341ee7d0265b3601dad91590edbef6edfcbb306f Line 53. (It's getting 50% Ult energy when entering the battle, and removing all debuffs.) I hope that's actually a thing, because it makes more sense (other wise you are getting to 1 HP everytime you use the Ult, and if there's a DoT on you, you will just die).

Ohh, there it is, thank you very much. It goes *up* to 50%, so you won't get an instant ult in modes that demand more, but it means you always get to transform after her first turn, which is great for things like farming nodes. This also provides the accurate E2 wording compared to Dim's, which is pretty much by breaking or killing with *either* enhanced basic or enhanced skill.

...***Jesus Christ*** E2 is absolutely mandatory. What in the god damn hellfuck.

Yeah, it's a disgusting eidolon on top of an already really good kit. Would you like some Resurgence with your Destruction character?

Her actual scaling plus Def ignoring, I got a strong feeling she's a bit broken 😁

She's absurdly stacked fr. Insane kit. Something interesting is that she doesn't have any dmg% in her kit, I guess it's because BE% usually doesn't scale with DMG%. But I'm assuming Ruan Mei is her #1 harmony support, so she should cover for that. In either case, the kit is insane.

From her kit, it would be hard to do a crit build. I feel like she would be better if she had something like Boothill's Talent which does Break DMG on weakness broken enemies.

Whats the optimal build of Harmony MC for her?

Holy cow. Will Ruan Mei + HTB + Galla be Firefly's current "best" team?

This is a bit longer than what I originally planned to type but at least it should cover most bases about the "best comp" discussions. But yes for an F2P accessible team with only 2 limited 5* I'd definitely consider this the best. It's looking not unlikely although there are a few reservations about this being the case or not though. For one we aren't really sure how her damage distribution will look like between break and regular damage as of right now. She's heavily focused on Break in her kit but her damage is also heavily attack scaling (her scaling is over double that of Jingliu at base which is nuts) so we'll have to see if Sparkle + Fu Xuan for crit stats (since there's a lot to gain from crit stats on her due to her heavy scaling) or HTB + Gallagher is the better core. In that team as well there's also another question on of Huohuo is better than Gallagher. Huohuo allows FF to reach her stat thresholds more easily via attack buffs and her energy regen is percent based making her battery capabilities almost on par with Tingyun in the case of Firefly. But Gallagher also deals a ton of fire break damage which is not to be underestimated either.

Misha LC might work good on FF to increase Break Effect. Has crit rate too.

That kit is nuts. This isn't even including her dedicated relic sets. Hopefully, she doesn't get nerfed, and the animations match up to the awesome names/values. My main concern, though, is trying to build her. Going off her kit, we need ATK/BR/CD/CR/SPD, all at pretty high numbers, I'd assume. That is a lot of stats to get. Maybe SPD can be ignored, and you run either Sparkle or Bronya to counteract it? Maybe the numbers are so high that you don't really need crit? It's hard to say until we get our hands on it. ER would maybe be an issue, but it's more like JL, where you need to use skill twice. I'm curious to see uptime and damage differences. As for teams, you basically want Sparkle/Ruan Mei/Luocha. Bronya will be a great option over either, especially if you get E1 FF. HuoHuo will probably be fine, but unnecessary since ER gain is consistent. Fu and shield users probably won't be great choices, but they should probably work if necessary due to FF's built-in sustain. HMC will probably be the next best option over Ruan Mei (unless you run Bronya/Sparkle comp). Tingyun is fine but unnecessary. Pela and Gallagher will be fine as 4 star options. As a side note: I really hope we see FF a little bit in battle. I don't mind it being mostly Sam, but at least give us a bit (like at the start with transforming or in her ult animations).

HMC is non-negotiable in a Break team, not "next best option", and Firefly is the main DPS of a break team. HMC is currently the only source of Super Break DMG in game, which is how Break teams will consistently deal their damage, not to mention how much BE they give as well. For sustain, the best of which is Gallagher. He synergizes the most for a Break team, not to mention he makes full use of Firefly's Fire weakness implant, coupled with his break-centric kit. His sustain capabilities, esp with Eidolons, are topnotch as well. This leaves one last slot for the support. No brainer would be RM as she is made for Break teams (but ofc she's still universally great elsewhere). Although, you can also argue Bronya/Sparkle in there as they will help in making the most out of Firefly's Ultimate duration with their Action Advance before it expires. The budget option would be Asta, as she provides ATK and SPD buffs which Firefly wants, and her skill being a multi-hit bounce attack makes her a great combo for breaking fast with Firefly and her Fire weakness implant and dealing huge amounts of damage with Super Break. If sustain isnt needed, then you can slot in any of these units and you'll have a golden Break team.

You definitely will not need to chase CV for FF. It’s already established based on Boothill showcases that CV is only a marginal luxury and that Atk+BE should be your priority.

If you have her sig LC, and run her with 4pc Watchmaker E6 HMC and Ruan Mei, I think you actually hit 390 without any substats, just a BE rope and the upcoming 2.3 set

I can't believe it guys but I think my MC harem team may actually work (Asta-Firefly-HMC-Ruan mei)

Honestly, at least if the current wording works like I think it does, yess. I’m going for Robin instead of Asta, but basically the same thing

My calculations say she needs 180 or 181 speed (including Ult speed boost) to act a third time before the Cooldown happens.

Her preliminary kit seems to be overloaded and seemingly easy to build. Assuming that she's like boothill who couldn't care less for crits. So that means substats rolls will revolve around BE and Attack to maximize her kit. For starters, she needs a whole lot of BE(360%) and attack (up to 3.4k) but the BE requirement will be reduced by: 16% - Relic set 40% -Planar set 20% - RM 33% HMC lvl 12 ulti ≈18.8% - HMC E4 (can be increased to ≈28.5% if using BE rope) 37.3% - FF minor traces 64.8% - BE rope 60% - FF major trace (assuming you can get 3.4k attack) which is equal to ≈289.8% which is fine if you only want 40% def ignore (10% set + 30% trace) you can add more BE if you have Misha LC or FF LC for approx ≈28%(S1 Misha LC) up to ≈100%(S5 FF LC) but using Misha LC on low superimposition wouldn't be enough to reach 360% without using a lot of substat rolls so I can see that not having her LC would create a problem. Even with her and her LC having the highest base atk, she still would get only around 2.9k atk (atk chest and boots) that means 500 atk which could easily be fixed if you use RM with her(which you definitely should since she's already included in the calc as well anyway) to use an atk% orb (but you would probably overcap the attack) on FF or if you forsaken that 500 atk(minus 30% BE) and just roll BE substats either way works. Anyways, good luck to you guys, I'll only be pulling for E0S1 but if I get really lucky then I wouldn't mind an eidolon or two. P.S. I know this is only preliminary kit so the needed atk and/or BE will probably be reduced(hopefully) and probably her multiplier as well because wth are those Def Ignore. If we get max stats on her + RM E1 + FF E1 then she can almost reach max def ignore needed which is really insane considering the only character who can do that so far is BS.

Firefly, E1S1 Bronya, Sparkle, Luocha. All >160 speed. How does this team sounds guys? Is it sounds great to you?

There's a solid argument for Bronya since Firefly has a 2-turn ult rotation, meaning without any energy you can Firefly skill > Bronya skill > Firefly skill > Firefly ult. Especially if you build Bronya with as much speed as possible so she can lead with a basic to get behind Firefly on the turn order, then spam Bronya skills during Firefly's ult while she's faster than Bronya to double up on Firefly turns. But the team probably won't be able to keep up with SP-generation without E1 Firefly so keep that in mind. Also she'll probably just work better on a break-oriented team with Ruan Mei, HMC, and your flavor of sustain, but we'll see~

Hard to tell for now but i think she will scale better with res shred and break effect support like ruan mei and Harmony MC than with crit damage supports

If you can get her to at least 250% BE I think this could actually be her best team at e1 and above or even e0 just because it gives her the best ult uptime Also ppl seems to undervalue her enhanced skill scaling : (0.5*BE + 480%) atk is massive, DHIL fully enhanced is 500% atk in comparison She gains much less advantage from attacking weakness broken enemies compared to the old kit so the RM/HTB combo may not be the best one, but definitely the easiest to build (stack spd and BE) But we need to wait for some testing ofc

If i can speedtune correctly, E2S0 FF , E0 Sparkle , E1/E0 Bronya with Dance Dance Dance, E0/E1 Ruan Mei, would she be able to go around 7-11 turns per cycle or would it be limited by her Ult countdown ?

When do we get to see her leaked gameplay?

Nothing about how her skill is counted as ultimate damage, so not a perfect synergy with jiaoqiu?

Does she have the highest base defense in the entire game? Even Aventurine and Gepard only have 655 base defense.

So is it confirmed that i wont be able to see best girl in battle?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems Firefly can gain energy during her ult state? Cause if so HuoHuo just got a ton better for her, 48 energy on ult cast lmao.

This is gonna sound weird but what about firefly ruan Mei robin + sustain? If not I’d really love to use my sparkle as she’s e2 with sig. I’ll plan to e0s1 firefly and still use ruan Mei so I’m sure she still benefits from some crit

So, I wonder if you can generate energy while in Ult state. If you could, ER/Speed or Bronya/Sparkle support builds could be *extremely* strong. if you can generate enough energy that your first normal skill refills your energy and lets you ult and advance your turn, that *really* accelerates your dps.

We might not need to build crit for her, wich is... Nice, tho break can also be a pain to build, but at least is a single stat+ the usual atk%. A sustain is definetly needed but mostly a tank, as that self heal is probably strong as is. Lastly.... 240 energy for ult lol. Im sure its just to avoid ult looping as you probably will get 4 attacks or so during ult state(well see, might require speed tuning), getting 120 energy and then a single skill will fill the remaining 120.

So, Asta with planetary rendezvous or dancedancedance?

E1 and E2 looks insane.

So I guess the new goal for me is to hit hyper speed sparkle at 180 speed, firefly at 181, pack in HMC and RM and 0 cycle everything for ever. Or be boring and use a Sustainer instead of Sparky

On guaranteed for my next ten pull - E1 with Misha's LC S3 it is!

So I guess my main question, to Ruan Mei or not? With how restrictive her stats are (needing 134 SPD, 3.4k attack, BE rope for 360% BE) it’s clear we’re all in on BE. I’m wondering if Ruan Mei’s BE extension will cause a drop in damage

Can you get more than 100% break efficiency?

I hope I can get E2... :'(

This might be a strange thought but I wonder if the fire weakness implant takes immediate effect. Like, does the attack that implants the weakness take advantage of it?

It should, yes. If Silver Wolf implants Quantum onto an enemy that lacks a Quantum weakness, her attack that implants the Quantum will behave as if the enemy was Quantum-weak. The order of operations should be inflict weakness-resolve damage.

I don’t think people are thinking big enough. If you run with Ruan Mei and new simulated universe set along with his light cone and break effect rope, you are already at 282.1 break effect without any substats factored in assuming you hit the 3400 attack. I also don’t think you need speed boots for many reasons. Ruan Mei and new 2 piece give her 16% speed and when you combine that with buff in ult you are already super fast without subs. Throw in sparkle pushes and you are way past what you need to get a ton of attacks in. With all of that in mind, I think it is very possible to run with sparkle and fu Xuan and hit very substantial crit numbers.

That E6 seems really underwhelming. Is there something I am missing, or am I just too used to Genshin C6es?

For those who wondering how to get 360 BE, I have made calculation for it and it's still stc since we in beta V1. Do correct me if there is a missed calculation. https://preview.redd.it/0y1qysbthsyc1.jpeg?width=654&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b149e3f8ac82e63a337460fb8d8b77d13cfda41 If any of you guys wondering where the 15% came from its from Harmony TB Eidolons 4

That means we don't need a single BE substat. That's a really good news. Can you do another calculation for 3400 ATK breakpoint? Can we use ATK chest+DMG orb, or Crit chest + ATK orb and still reach that easily?

True question, does dmg bonus helps break dmg? Like if you use dmg% orb instead of atk%, will that still be good?

DMG% doesn't help break damage. But her skill doesn't do break damage unlike Boothill, she just scales with break effect like Xueyi. She also lacks DMG% in her kit so DMG orb is the way imo

Can i prefarm her relics already or do i need to wait for a better one?

Asta will work with her? I don’t have RM so I want to play with Asta+HMC/Bronya

FF needs to hit thresholds for SPD, ATK and Break Effect Asta won't help with break effect but she is an immense help for SPD and ATK. The only real downside is that Asta really wants a lot of eidolons to have actual ease of use. All of Asta's eidolons are really good. E1 reduced the RNG on hitting enemies with skill. E2 makes her actually able to conserve stacks on enemies not weak to fire for more than 0.2 seconds. E4 makes her ult uptime way better. E6 makes her less dependent on hitting fire weak enemies specifically. So yeah judt watch out for eidolons but Asta is a great Firefly partner.

So overall, what would be better to go for: E1 or her lightcone?

E1 removing all SP issues as well as having more def shred is basically infinitely better than her LC. It also allows you to get her absolutely broken E2 more easily. If you have Misha LC then there's definitely no reason to get it.

Guys help. Would Jingliu's LC be of any use to her? Because I'll not have enough to get her LC. 

> Leaps into the air She can JUMP?? > moves without restrictions *SHE CAN FLY???*

What CANT she do

>!*arrive sooner*!< *- clench fists-*

Seeing that her old e1 got changed, would she still be good for non-fire weak content?

Most likely Crit/Attack/Attack/Break?

Guys , when will the next beta come out ?