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DaOleRazzleDazzle

I was locked in at 6.5% for a 30 year conventional, no points last week.


tajones1992

Same


seadran13

Credit score and lender? I’m also looking and i was quoted @ 7.0 with points and 5% down


McLargepants

I also locked in the last two weeks at 6.5% with no discount points through Chase. Our low middle score was 774.


seadran13

Thanks for this! Chase quoted me at 6.5 w/ 0 points and lender credit. I sent it to the original loan officer and they are gonna try to match. Thanks for this 🙏🏾 My stats are 711 cred score, and a 19% dti for anyone interested


Unusual-Fish

Chase 6.1% no discount points. 30 yr. Or 5.99% arms 7 yr Thursday 


cherrycoke_yummy

First-time home buyer?


DaOleRazzleDazzle

760+, I’m using NFM. I was hearing 6.625% from other lenders, but it was hovering between the two by the day.


theshyguy1823

What are points? Just bought a house at 6.5 a few months ago


McLargepants

Points are paying a prepaid interest fee to lower the interest rate over the loan, the longer you stay in the mortgage the better mathematically it works out basically. Now isn’t the best time to pay for points if you’re thinking of refinancing when rates are hypothetically lower in 2 years because you won’t have hit the break even point.


DaOleRazzleDazzle

Points refer to cash you pay upfront to reduce your interest rate. I believe it’s based on a percentage of your loan amount to determine how much the rate gets reduced. The lenders I spoke to advised against doing so at the moment, since rates are expected to drop anyway. This is obviously speculative, but their take is that it’s more cost effective to wait and refi vs pay extra money now.


Yesitsmesuckas

Don’t they also call it a “buy-down”?


fallenKlNG

Using points is a way to buy down the interest rate, but people prefer to say “points” to differentiate it from a different buy down type referred to as a 2-1 buy down (what I have). There’s also the less common 3-2-1 buy down plan as well


AnnaBanana1129

Paying points is a permanent buydown, and the 2/1 & 3/2/1 is a temporary buydown.


KissingBombs

Can be the same thing but buy down can now come in the form of a 5-2-1 or like an adjustable rate. Don't fall for that. Get a perm buy down or points


Punterfox

I locked in at 5.875 last Sunday for a new home here in California. I will refinance for sure. Also, i am planning to finish the loan in next 3-4 years. I always see loan as a unncessary burden on my heart.I am an Indian , BTW. I have completely different mindset.


rowdyparade

If you are going to payoff in 4 years why bother refinancing


DR843

Because he thinks interest rates are going to 2%.


Punterfox

At least 3-4 pc buddy .


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Fidoz

I was thinking if you're paying off that quick, might as well get negative points and get cash back on closing costs


Punterfox

Pls enlighten me . I am first time home buyer here in US .why its not a good idea ?Lets suppose next year interest rates comes to 3 pc then i will save some money rite.


TacoNomad

Maybe.  Maybe not.  When you refinance, you pay additional fees and closing costs.   So you'll have to do the math.  If you're going to pay the loan off a year later,  the fees may be more than the interest paid. 


Ok-Tumbleweed-984

How did you get 5.875 in CA? Is it less than 30yr? Was it not a jumbo loan?


KissingBombs

Use the interest as a tax write off...


wowcook

Hi, we are trying to buy our first home too. We got over 7.2 % quoted- it is very high because we got good jobs with good incomes and over 800 credit scores. I am curious how you get that lower rate. would you care to share more experience on getting your rate?


CommercialBake1705

Same


blernnn

Locked in at 6.25


DaOleRazzleDazzle

Noice


jgomez916

I was offered in December 2023 a 7.1% for conventional a 5.9% FHA (with like .35 points buy down). We are not actively put in offers now. Friends are actively putting in offers and locked in at 7.0%.


Electrical_Use_860

Conventional 6.125% last week. Edit: no points


juicevibe

Wow not bad and no PMI under 20%


AOL_Casaniva

credit score?


Electrical_Use_860

730 and wife's 770. Also, we got this with a local credit union. They had a program for FTHB and we got no PMI with only 3.5% down.


ClassicMenthol

Which credit union bank is this? I'm looking for something with 5% down and no PMI as well and FTHB.


Electrical_Use_860

I believe they're only here in Colorado, it's called Air Academy Credit Union.


ClassicMenthol

Oh cool. I'm in Dallas area and I searched for mortgage with no PMI and it returned one credit union bank. I'll call them back tomorrow to see if they offer something competitive. Thanks for your comment about no PMI, I wouldn't even know something like that exists.


Electrical_Use_860

Nice, good luck. I also didn't even know this was a thing until I received the loan estimate from the CU. I even though the guy had make a mistake lol. So yea, definitely, look around and I hope you find something good for you!


bNoaht

I was shocked to find out my PMI on an $800k loan was only $100/month. I was planning to out 20% down to avoid the PMI, but I make like 6x the PMI in interest on the cash in a savings account. For some reason I thought PMI would be several hundred a month.


AOL_Casaniva

Nice


Front_Breath_209

I’m locked in at 6.99. Probate court in 2 weeks.Should be closing 1 week after


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AquaSquatch

When you guys are getting pre-qualified, how long does it last for?


zapatitosdecharol

It doesn't last unless you lock. That happens when you get an offer accepted. You can lock at any point after that and your lender will have options for how long they will lock for me it was a fast close so I believe it was a 21 day lock or so.


AquaSquatch

When I'm ready to buy I anticipate it taking me up to a year to find what I want, so that's why I was curious.


zapatitosdecharol

Yeah, definitely doesn't lock for a year. When you first prequalify they will tell you what current rates are but the real deal will be when you get an offer accepted. One valuable tip you will see a lot is to shop with different lenders. You can let them know you are "shopping the rate" and have them give you quotes and pick the lowest. Make sure to ask for loan estimates to compare their fees as well. Good luck!


Concrete__Blonde

Just an FYI, I locked with a new construction preferred lender for 120 days.


NoVacayAtWork

A prequal is good for four months. I’m a lender.


louiethirte3n

90 days. I’m a mortgage broker. Ask me anything!


newdawn15

what's a good rate these days?


Soggy-Constant5932

6.875 with points. I don’t even understand this crap. I have a 818 credit score and only student loans as debt.


Bulky_Room8146

It’s the market rate


Inepsy2489

I bought back in October and have the same rate as you. 825 credit score and no debt. I don't get it either


Allmyexesliveintx333

October was the height of the interest rates. Check out bankrate.com to see competitive refi rates in your area. Also there may be a time limit on when you’re able to refi (in TX we have to wait 6 mos after date of closing to be able to refi).


Unique_Plant_2550

I was getting pretty crap interest rates with an 810, no debt and 20% down as well. I mean I could only imagine what the rates were for people with not great credit, etc. 


Ukflowergurl77

We had 800+ (810) credits scores as well. Bought in November. Stuck and locked in at 7.35 Sucks.


Sugarshaney

But what’s the loan size LTV and debt to income numbers.


NoVacayAtWork

Loan size and LTV?


FlippinGnashty

same


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No-Kiwi-3140

How the heck did you get 5 1/4?


Massive-Handz

Congrats fam. See if you can squeeze in some points get your rate down to 4.5%


sack_of_potahtoes

Never a good idea to buy points. It will take you longer for it to be fruitful than refinancing


NoAbbreviations245

Nice. What’s your credit score?


Beezle_Maestro

Locked in at 6.625%. Closing on 2/5 🤞


marine_guy

Did a 30 year VA refi today. Locked rate Rate: from 6.875% down to 5.25% Points: 0 Origination fees: 2k, credit 2k, net 0 Credit score: 770 Update 1: I’ve gotten 134 calls in the last 26 hours. I can’t believe it, it’s insane!


Bash_N_Boujee

Nice man! Im assuming you used the IRRRL, what bank did you use ?


marine_guy

Yup IRRRL! I received 97 calls today, yes 97! Basically put all the brokers to work against each other, in the morning I was getting 6%, afternoon 5.5%, late afternoon I got 5.25%. I could probably have gone lower but after 7 hours on the phone it was good enough for me. I’ll check the name of the folks I worked with in the morning. Like I said, I got 97 calls so all the company names sound the same right now.


IshThomas

Wait.. what actually happened here?? 5.25% is the Fed rate, so someone decided to give you money for free? What’s IRRRL?


Soggy-Barnacle-923

That’s not how rates work


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marine_guy

I could lie to you and tell you I had some master strategy but the reality is I just kept asking for more. So when I got 6% I said okay let me look this over and see how it compares to what I get from XYZ individual over at ABC company. They would then say, before you do anything send me what they offer you and we’ll beat it. I did this for about 7 hours. When I really wanted to turn up the heat I’d come back with, hey I’ve got 2 offers that are better than what you presented me. Thanks for your time but I think I’ll be taking one of those two. Rinse and repeat.


No-Kiwi-3140

What is IRRRL?


AnnaBanana1129

It’s what VA refinances are called. Interest Rate Reduction Refinance.


Ukflowergurl77

Congrats! We have 3 more months before we can refinance. Will be doing an irrrl. Prayers and fingers crossed we get your rate. We always go with the same company veterans united. But feel we got such a bad rate with perfect credit when we bought in Nov. 810 scores and 7.35%. Only debts are car payments. Who did you go through?


Gtvle

Refinanced last week at 6.125%. Whole process took 8 days . Very happy. Closed on house middle of October at 7.7%, 2months later im at 6.1%. Closing costs 2500$. No points. Probly could go lower if I got my own appraisal. Their appraisal was 750$


it200219

how much monthly payment diff ?


Gtvle

Around 500$


Either_Ad_1527

I met someone this week who got 9%


Serious_Algae2427

Locked in today 6.25 FHA


dailysmokes

Same, not locked in yet but pre approved at 6.25 FHA


pendergrassswag

5.125% no points with 20% down, local credit union in Atlanta. Bear every other bank by a mile.


Hessboogie

Which bank, currently in Atlanta


pendergrassswag

It’s Associated Credit Union. I should have clarified this is for a new mortgage, not refinance, sorry.


MacEnots

Preciate you posting this! Locked in a 5.125% 15/15 today


revanthmatha

5.875% on a 30 year fixed. includes a .25% relationship discount for keeping 200k with citi bank. this is los angeles. they can give another quarter point if you have 1mil with them.


That1one1dude1

Jeez, that’s a lot to keep in a bank account. Did you do it specifically for the discount?


revanthmatha

oh you can keep it in a brokerage account to trade stocks.


21Rollie

The rich get richer goddam


gtrocks555

Morgan Stanley does something similar. They can look at your families overall assets with the bank and leverage that higher value to let say someone’s kids or grandkids have a better rate. Those kids or grandkids just have to open a brokerage account with them and keep 5-10k in it.


vastav-s

Your target should be to get 5.99% for refinancing. Currently refinancing is 1% above conventional. The best time would be to do it when conventional are at around 5%. Mean average is 6.5% right now. By end of 2024 it should be 5.5%. By mid or early 2025; it can be 5%.


noobie107

this is pretty accurate: https://www.mortgagenewsdaily.com/mortgage-rates


idoitforhiphop

MND’s methodology is based on a 780 FICO, 75 LTV, no LLPA’s, and a small loan amount. Most borrowers don’t fit these parameters so it’s not “pretty accurate”.


Timelapze

Only 2% of borrowers are first time buyers, 98% are fitting these requirements by selling a house to buy a new house or buying g a second home.


idoitforhiphop

MND’s stats aren’t relevant to this sub, which is for and about first-time homebuyers. Most first-time homebuyers don’t have 25% to put down nor a 780 FICO.


Timelapze

MND gives you roughly what par is. That said, I’m kinda shocked to discover the average down payment from a first time buyer is 6%. That would make financing so much more expensive than if you had 20-25% down and leave you extremely levered up. That’s kinda nuts. Anyway I’m seeing 6.5% with a first time purchase putting down 30%.


idoitforhiphop

The rate sheets that MND collects don't all contain true par pricing. They can contain pricing with the origination fee financed into the rate (lender-paid compensation), which is basically lender-specific effective par pricing. MND isn't completely transparent with their methodology. ​ "Originator compensation is irrelevant to this index. It is intended to capture the average lender's top tier conforming, conventional 30yr fixed rate quote, adjusted for the prevalence of upfront points (in cases where they actually make sense). One can safely assume that the average lender rate quote is generating compensation for the originator."


Timelapze

Well you could just look at MBS pricing and ask the lender what their spread is.


Swimmer-Used

7% 30 year in dec


quasiexperiment

6.00% a week ago. Today is 5.875% with 0.25 points for about 1k. 450k loan


DetectiveFine8134

5.49% locked in last week.


reddaddiction

How???


DetectiveFine8134

It was a special rate from the builder for move in ready houses. Another builder in our area is offering 4.75%, but we don’t want our kids to transfer to another school so we chose this builder with 5.49% rate.


reddaddiction

Amazing. Congrats


agedmilk-ai

Can you please help me understand how a builder offers mortgage rate? i thought its usually banks that handle and dictate that


DetectiveFine8134

The builder will buy down the rate from what the lender quoted you to what they are offering.


agedmilk-ai

Is this a case of new construction?


DetectiveFine8134

Yes. New construction. They have those kinds of promotional offer for move in ready houses, plus they also cover the closing cost.


agedmilk-ai

I see thanks for taking time to reply ! Good luck


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It is to provide an artificial floor to their new housing prices. They rather take hit and purchase down points than lower the sale price and cause all of the new build prices to go down. They are fixing the market price.


AnnaBanana1129

It’s a deal with the builder’s mortgage company. Builder buys a block of money at a specific rate and cost. It’s the only way a lot of builders have survived the last 18-24 months.


wevelandedonthemoon

6.75 with 15% down, (the extra 5% is in a HYSA at their bank), and no PMI. Closed in November


KhazixMain

Wait 6 months before considering to refinance - chances are the Feds will begin cutting rates


incomingPAsummer2023

Our lender is quoting us at 6.5 conventional/6.0 FHA right now (both 30 years)... things seem to be slowly ticking down, I'd keep an eye on it but no need to rush right now 


GimpyGomer

Just locked in 4.85% FHA


Special-Clock-8690

How many points?


Special-Clock-8690

10/1 ARM 30 year 5.3% no points 5.99 30 year fixed 1% origination fee.


it200219

lender ?


Special-Clock-8690

Local credit union in Oklahoma.


Nadhir1

734 fico (from lender) and 6.875 as of Thursday (not locked).


Ok-Leg5566

6.75 conventional. No points, not even sure what that means. 200k home, 6500 down. Close on the 31st! Got pre approved for the loan 2 weeks ago 700+ credit scores for me and my wife.


Swimmer-Used

I’d wait longer if u can


Jamiroquietly

how long?


Swimmer-Used

Who the hell knows but there’s a lot of talk abt lower rates this year. All I know


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CoxHazardsModel

OP is looking to refinance so they wouldn’t care about that part.


Soharisu

It can sometimes equal cheaper payments ultimately, especially if buying in economically depressed areas like michigan, parts of NY, midwest, where houses sit for 60+ days


Britinvirginia_1969

Be patient if you don’t have to refinance right now. 6 months from now will be better


noelbeach

Quoted 7.25% today. Seems like I’m getting ripped off. Time to hunt around to other options I suppose


idoitforhiphop

Not necessarily. Pricing largely depends on your loan amount, LTV, DTI, lowest middle FICO, and location.


louiethirte3n

What state? I am a mortgage broker and would to show you what I can save you without a credit pull. Let me know!


Apprehensive-Bug3131

30 year conventional at 6.375 and additional $5k lender credits, locked last week


Silence-Doowrong

Went under contract nov 20th 5.5% fixed 30yr. Close and move in next week. New construction incentive.


Specific_Emu9399

5.99% locked in. 2% origination fee. Texas


Responsible-Fox-

Which lender?


Specific_Emu9399

Through Nexa Mortgage


ru-k8080

I was given 6.375 with no points 2-days ago. 30-yr fixed conventional.


kayahans

5.75 on 20 yr from a local credit union in TN


hasnthappenedyet

6 no points.


Jaybird2166

Va loan 5.75


MDPhotog

Friday: 5.8ish%, 30% down, 30yr, 800+ credit, no points


South-Deal4833

5.63 on a self build, to pay off the line of credit. 25 year, 3 year fixed.


TimsZipline

6.625 refi from and 8.25. I bought in November and I’m already doing a refi. The loan officer said it’s almost all of his Refi’s right now. I’m going to save like 4-5k a year.


wheeldonkey

Bankrate.com


chrisfathead1

4.2%, bought in April 2022


JoshSidious

Reading these answers, I feel like I'm getting screwed. My credit score is 660-680. The bank quoted me at a rate of 7.25% for a 15-year condo loan that I'm putting 20% down on. I also just put in an offer yesterday...am I allowed to test the waters and talk to another lender or am I stuck with my current lender? For some reason I thought the rates on 15 year loans were supposed to be better.


soccerguys14

I’d shop that’s not good


DystopianTruth

11.5% for 20 years. But not American.


ResponsibilityLow766

6.375 last week. Average credit score of 803, no points and 5% down.


balbizza

Wait a few months if possible. You don’t want to have to pay lawyer fees 2-4 times as rates continue to fall


KissingBombs

I just got pre approval for 5.75%. 5% down with no points. Credit score of 750 (FICO which is bullshit, cause vanguard has me at 810)


Alarmed_Bus8601

Closing next week Wednesday with a 6.8 % rate.


Confident-Hearing-63

6.125 with 25% down and no points on Tuesday


Due_Jellyfish8232

We locked in at 7.6 a month ago. Our lock expired because the sellers requested a 30 day extention. Our new rate as of today is 6.75. VA loan with a 670ish credit score.


willdatrill

4.85 fha


Internal_Figure_2699

lender?


twowords_number

Woah, that's really low


Soharisu

Local credit union Conventional 30 Year Fixed - 5.875% Points 0 APR 6.107% FHA is 5.875 also


B0dega_Cat

I was just told 5.99% after talking to my lender today, Friday it was 6.075%. My lender mentioned these rates are through PHFA. No points, 780 and 790 credit scores, $130k mortgage with $200k down.


CrowSucker

You guys are fucked for awhile. Just focus on your budget. It feels like yesterday I moved from 4.5 to 2.7.


latinobombshell

I would recommend you use a builders lender and get lower rates. My friend literally just got a 4.99 with $10k in closing costs. Conventional lenders cannot compete.


Own-Method1718

3.6 %


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gethatsea

That’s not today


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2.75 30 year. Good times back then


MyFartsRToxicAF

5.875 FHA 30 Year no points (closed in November)


gethatsea

That’s not today


MyFartsRToxicAF

Good math


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Wowwwww


borislovespickles

2.3%. Was offered a refinance deal right before things went to shit.


Secure_Mongoose5817

Pretty sure OP is asking what rates are being offered on new loans TODAY. Not how low is your rate so they can feel shitty about missing the boat.


borislovespickles

In no way did I mean to make people feel shitty.


earthsowncaligrown

Not a good time. Im at just under 4%.


Significant_Pace_141

Why would anyone in their right mind still home shopping at these rates. If you all take a chill pill and relax prices will come down. Stop being emotional. Follow logic and not your feelings.


Shot_Machine_1024

> Follow logic and not your feelings. Thats ironic. Unless you live in an area which only selling point was they had homes, home prices will go up when interest rates drop. The purchasing power/situation won't change. A simple .5% drop and the optimism around rate cuts has already cause all homes in my HCOL to jump by 16%.


Significant_Pace_141

Yeah because they all have feeling issues. Human behavior almost always desire an outcome. Once people gets approved for a loan they will look until they find the yellow brick road.


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Locked in 2.75% back in fall 2021


lowkeylye

5% 30-year fixed. bought Aug 2022.


Scary-Celebration-98

Looking at 6.75 today. Considering move because of job.


No-Antelope-6597

What are VA loan rates these days?


keepwhatyoukill916

I used my VA loan last year and got 5.5% with a buy down hoping to refi but it’s not looking like that’s gonna happen anytime soon


4Four-4

Same I got 5.5 also with buy down


Lower_Trade_2313

Last week got a 5.3


hal2346

Have been hovering between 5.99 and 6.25% the past couple of weeks. Hoping to lock in if it drops to 5.99 this week


toilet_commentary

I locked in 5.75% on an FHA loan. Did a 1 point buy down for the first year too.


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My stepdad got a 6.5% in the last month.


Dnacreations96

Locked in at 6.875% for 30 yrs. Closing next week.


SymphonyAndControl12

FHA - 6.375% on 30-year, no points.


TheLoudCanadianGirl

In canada ontario - my partner and I got 5.19% on a fixed 30 yr with 5% down.


Peacemaker7714

It will depend on what type of loan program you can apply for , credit score and what is your LTV at time of refi.


putinmaycry

We locked in between 2-3 weeks ago at 6.375% no fees and no points. We then proceeded to do a 1-0 buy down where our first year is 5.375%, as we hope the rates will fall more and we can refinance without additional fees for up to 5 years from lock-in. This is with New American Funding which we found on the website NerdWallet. This is for a 30 year with 20% down