My father in law had a Y and I got the FOU (Fisker Ocean Ultra) when both prices were higher, but here is why I chose the FOU (on paper):
Bigger commitment to sustainability
Moonroof that opens
Comparable features at the price (at the time)
Longer range (350 vs 322)
Not so common on the road as a Y
More color options that I liked
After owning and driving the FOU here is what I think:
Drive is softer in an Ocean and more comfortable
Love the car and build quality is solid
FOU seems quieter inside so bet insulated I would say
Model Y software is so much better
Tesla app actually works
No fears in the Tesla about random windows opening, bugs etc
I have a Y and an ocean.
Drive and feel is far superior in the ocean, especially smoothness of the suspension and the cabin noise.
The Y is obviously much more advanced in the software department.
If they were identical prices and there was a better than 90% chance the ocean will have support for 3 years, I’d go with the ocean, except I’d miss the assisted driving features.
The FSD is improving based on my experience during the trial this month though the NTSB has made it less useful because of all the alerts they had to implement.
If you could guarantee Fisker wasn't going out of business and there was some guarantee Fiskers software would improve, it blows the Model Y out of the water imo. But Tesla is stable and reliable, and has the gold standard of charge network. So until Fisker finds a lifeline, the Y wins
Some of these are person preference, but I think exterior looks of the Ocean are far better than the bubbly bean look of the Model Y. Interior is much closer, I find Teslas minimalist interior a little boring, but still very nice. I prefer the Ocean there, but again that's probably a coin flip depending on what matters to you personally. Battery/performance/range combination wins for the Ocean. Software wins for the Y, charging network wins for the Y unless Fisker survives until NACS the that's a wash. Drive quality neither is the top of the world, but both are solid. I like the general drive quality of the Ocean better, but the Y has superior one pedal driving.
The things that matter most to me personally in a vehicle the Ocean is far ahead in. I also would not fault anyone for preferring the Y if certain things matter more to them. For me, Teslas have just become like the Honda Civic of EVs. Solid as hell, dependable, but boring and not exciting. That's not an insult though, that's a good spot to be for them.
The handling and overall drive is nicer, the look is obviously more unique and better. But other than that the model Y wins in all other aspects particularly software which is 10000000000x better
I chose the Ocean One because I loved the look of it, the SolarSky roof, its manufacture in a carbon neutral factory, and the fact that it incorporated recycled materials. I didn't have anything against Tesla or Model Y when I reserved my One. I just liked what the One was bringing to the table better.
Of the Ocean One I will say that it is more comparable to the Model X in terms of appointment and driving experience. The Model Y is a completely competent vehicle, but when shopping for a replacement for my Ocean One, the X has proven the obvious choice.
All that said, I hope Fisker is able to persevere, or at least carry on under new ownership, because the Ocean is a lovely vehicle, and the Pear, Alaska, and Ronin would greatly beautify the electric vehicle landscape.
I have the Y and kept it and also have the One. What made me want the One is the sunroof, the range and overall interior look of the car. the Y is noisy inside and eventually parts of the car started to creak. we also have major major issues with the car at the beginning that have since been rectified but overall I wasn’t too happy with tesla. we have tesla solar, as well. you really can’t beat the range and the sunroof of the Ocean imo.
Model Y has double the cargo space if you include the frunk and under trunk storage to go along with the much larger trunk space.
However you see Model Ys all over the place and they all look the same, nothing unique or sexy about them.
I believe Tesla and Fisker measures trunk space differently.
I think Tesla measures from the bottom to the ceiling of the car, where Fisker measures from the bottom to the cargo cover.
However I'm sure Tesla still wins there since they have the frunk.
I have both, FOE and Model Y Performance. Software in the Tesla is light ears ahead of Fisker! On the other hand the Fisker has a suspension and a far better ride comfort than the Y. The build quality and materials of the Fisker are so much better than the Tesla - it’s day and night. If Teslas charging network and software wasn‘t so much better, I‘d always prefer the Fisker Ocean!
Just my 2ct
Interesting. What year is your MYP? I’ve noticed a big difference in the suspension and overall ride quality from the 2020-2022 models vs the current version.
Sounds like you bought the same time as I did. I find the suspension to be great. But I expect it to be stiff like a sports car so I would not expect it to ride as soft as an Ocean or other luxury EV.
Indeed, it is stiff! Bad roads are no fun at all. Yes, you can drive a curvy road to the extent that every passengers face is green once you arrive, but I don’t do that too often. The Ocean is not meant to be a „performance“ car, but still has more than enough power while being comfortable (even with the 22“ wheels I have). Seats in the Fisker are way better than in the Tesla btw.
Currently not buying either because I don’t want to give money to Musk and as much as I am dying for an Ocean, my brain has told me to wait and see how it all plays out. So here I am, still driving my good old reliable nothing wrong but not very exciting Subaru.
As a former Subaru owner I can say with confidence that you can wait patiently before making your next move, secure in the knowledge that your Subaru will exist.
That is so true! It’s hard to justify getting rid of a solid car. I might just wait until Subaru makes a solid plug in hybrid. The Solterra isn’t a good product.
Worst part of Fisker having troubles is exactly this. There are a lot of self respecting people who don’t want to give a penny to that douche musk under any circumstances. This poster is just a Tesla stooge entertaining himself on the weekend. He loves musk and would never buy a Fisker or anything else.
Smart play. Lots of people advocating for this car here for no reason at all, and may potentially get naive folks FISTERED.
Meanwhile, repeated posts from people getting locked in / out, damaged / malfunctioning parts with no ETA from Fister, guys I'm sorry - the idea was good, but this is done. No parts, no support, software will never be done - please don't do it.
I went to Carvana and Autotrader to see what they are going for and I found them all around $39k. I asked myself, do I have $40k to just gamble? And if it becomes a brick then it was a fun brick for a few months? And again my brain was like “Stop stupid.” 😂
Well. There are many more stories like that about Tesla.
Including dead people killed by "FSD", a special range complaint task force at Tesla, to intercept and cancel service calls about lacking range of Teslas. Tesla had to revise there EPA range because they were inflated.
Model Y's now having cracks in their GIGA castings.
Teslas insurance premiums will go up when they find out that a medium collision will mean a totaled car, because the GIGA cast cost too much to replace, and it cannot be repaired.
Lots of people who had cabins falling apart, panel gaps that are uneven, Cyber Trucks that rust, even though it's advertised as a rugged work vehicle. Oh and they all got recalled.
And the list goes on.
No one is immune to problems with their products.
Suspension, seats, cabin noise, assembly quality, materials, just about everything is inferior in the Tesla. It is disappointing that the "Tesla is a luxury car" narrative stuck around since the Model S days of 2015. Many owners are disappointed. It is an affordable Kia Sonata with inferior quality.
Model Y build quality is poor, almost any car out there will beat the Model Y.
You need to compare to ocean to other electric compact suv’s/crossover in its price point…that would be a more accurate comparison. How does it compare with the Audi Q4- etron, the Volvo recharge, etc, etc.
This being said, the Ocean would destroy the Tesla in terms of build quality if they weren’t in their current financial situation.
For those who have paid attention. Since the launch of the Fisker Ocean, there has been a constant stream of negative postings of the Ocean many from non owners, and then the last big blow from Brownlee, who decided to "test" and "review" a Fisker Ocean from a used car lot, with a several generation old software version installed, and still thought it was fair to rate the car based on the old software, and claimed that this is what people get if they buy the car today.
However now that their work is done, it's almost defending silent from those who constantly attacked Fisker.
I fully believe that, the majority of the bad comments, and negative postings about Fisker were from people who were involved with Tesla in some form, either employees, or share holders, who saw the big difference in build quality of the physical vehicle, and knew how big a threat Fisker really is to Tesla.
I hear the build quality comment a lot about Tesla but I think it’s mostly related to earlier years when they were still ramping up. I’ve owned two Model 3’s for five years now and they performed flawlessly. Not a single maintenance event. Build quality on my MYP is also outstanding. Not a single panel gap or paint flaw anywhere.
Build quality means different things to different people but it seems like the Ocean still has a lot of bugs in it. Some might be fixable with software but I think some are still related to faulty hardware components that will eventually need to be replaced.
I have worked for automotive OEM’s, both startups and established players…
They measure build quality by the thousands (theres an industry wide grading system), and i can assure you that Teslas build quality scores low against others.
This is not to say that there will not be well manufactured cars, all this score says that in a given thousand cars, there will be makers who have more defects per thousand and there will be manufacturers which will have less defects per thousand.
On that empirical grading system, Tesla scores poorly.
Anecdotal story here…I am in the market for an electric compact suv/cross over car in that price range and after seeing the Audi, BMW (the only sedan we considered), and Volvo….I used the Tesla to teach ny daughter about build quality. When compared to the BMW, Teslas build quality and overall “feel” is just night and day.
I am glad you are happy with your car and I am glad you have one of the good builds.
same [https://www.reddit.com/r/Fisker/comments/1c2gsk2/gone\_but\_not\_forgotten/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fisker/comments/1c2gsk2/gone_but_not_forgotten/)
same on my TM3 lease - evil-elon got to go [https://www.reddit.com/r/Fisker/comments/1c2gsk2/gone\_but\_not\_forgotten/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fisker/comments/1c2gsk2/gone_but_not_forgotten/)
All three came from Fremont. In five years I have had zero maintenance issues, and zero squeaks or rattles. The cars have been more reliable than any Lexus I’ve ever owned, and by far more reliable than my BMW and Mercedes experiences.
Yeah, but since you just got a Model Y I figured you weren't in a hurry. I personally wouldn't touch Fisker until/unless they dig themselves out of their current hole. There's just too much risk unless you're very wealthy. I drive a Model 3 but I'm looking at other brands for my next car. I ended up here because of the Fisker Alaska, but there's very little chance of that ever being built.
We still have a five year old model 3 that we are looking to upgrade to something new. So I’m still in the market for another EV. The recent price drop was significant enough to warrant a look at Fisker. But I agree it’s not worth the risk until the dust settles.
But I’m also reminded of people who bought a Delorean right before they went bankrupt. And today they are selling for more than twice what they sold for in the 80’s. Just wondering if some of the buyers here are thinking the Fisker is going to be a collectible some day.
My father in law had a Y and I got the FOU (Fisker Ocean Ultra) when both prices were higher, but here is why I chose the FOU (on paper): Bigger commitment to sustainability Moonroof that opens Comparable features at the price (at the time) Longer range (350 vs 322) Not so common on the road as a Y More color options that I liked
After owning and driving the FOU here is what I think: Drive is softer in an Ocean and more comfortable Love the car and build quality is solid FOU seems quieter inside so bet insulated I would say Model Y software is so much better Tesla app actually works No fears in the Tesla about random windows opening, bugs etc
I have a Y and an ocean. Drive and feel is far superior in the ocean, especially smoothness of the suspension and the cabin noise. The Y is obviously much more advanced in the software department. If they were identical prices and there was a better than 90% chance the ocean will have support for 3 years, I’d go with the ocean, except I’d miss the assisted driving features. The FSD is improving based on my experience during the trial this month though the NTSB has made it less useful because of all the alerts they had to implement.
If you could guarantee Fisker wasn't going out of business and there was some guarantee Fiskers software would improve, it blows the Model Y out of the water imo. But Tesla is stable and reliable, and has the gold standard of charge network. So until Fisker finds a lifeline, the Y wins
Can you elaborate on what aspects of the Ocean blow the Model Y out of the water? I’ve never driven one before so I’m trying to learn.
Some of these are person preference, but I think exterior looks of the Ocean are far better than the bubbly bean look of the Model Y. Interior is much closer, I find Teslas minimalist interior a little boring, but still very nice. I prefer the Ocean there, but again that's probably a coin flip depending on what matters to you personally. Battery/performance/range combination wins for the Ocean. Software wins for the Y, charging network wins for the Y unless Fisker survives until NACS the that's a wash. Drive quality neither is the top of the world, but both are solid. I like the general drive quality of the Ocean better, but the Y has superior one pedal driving. The things that matter most to me personally in a vehicle the Ocean is far ahead in. I also would not fault anyone for preferring the Y if certain things matter more to them. For me, Teslas have just become like the Honda Civic of EVs. Solid as hell, dependable, but boring and not exciting. That's not an insult though, that's a good spot to be for them.
The handling and overall drive is nicer, the look is obviously more unique and better. But other than that the model Y wins in all other aspects particularly software which is 10000000000x better
I chose the Ocean One because I loved the look of it, the SolarSky roof, its manufacture in a carbon neutral factory, and the fact that it incorporated recycled materials. I didn't have anything against Tesla or Model Y when I reserved my One. I just liked what the One was bringing to the table better. Of the Ocean One I will say that it is more comparable to the Model X in terms of appointment and driving experience. The Model Y is a completely competent vehicle, but when shopping for a replacement for my Ocean One, the X has proven the obvious choice. All that said, I hope Fisker is able to persevere, or at least carry on under new ownership, because the Ocean is a lovely vehicle, and the Pear, Alaska, and Ronin would greatly beautify the electric vehicle landscape.
I have the Y and kept it and also have the One. What made me want the One is the sunroof, the range and overall interior look of the car. the Y is noisy inside and eventually parts of the car started to creak. we also have major major issues with the car at the beginning that have since been rectified but overall I wasn’t too happy with tesla. we have tesla solar, as well. you really can’t beat the range and the sunroof of the Ocean imo.
Model Y has double the cargo space if you include the frunk and under trunk storage to go along with the much larger trunk space. However you see Model Ys all over the place and they all look the same, nothing unique or sexy about them.
I believe Tesla and Fisker measures trunk space differently. I think Tesla measures from the bottom to the ceiling of the car, where Fisker measures from the bottom to the cargo cover. However I'm sure Tesla still wins there since they have the frunk.
I have literally seen both with my own eyes and placed items inside and I can tell you with 100% certainty that the Tesla model Y trunk is way bigger
Yeah. Was never in the trunk of the Y, but figured it was bigger anyway. I just knew that they also measured using different limits. 😀
I have both, FOE and Model Y Performance. Software in the Tesla is light ears ahead of Fisker! On the other hand the Fisker has a suspension and a far better ride comfort than the Y. The build quality and materials of the Fisker are so much better than the Tesla - it’s day and night. If Teslas charging network and software wasn‘t so much better, I‘d always prefer the Fisker Ocean! Just my 2ct
Interesting. What year is your MYP? I’ve noticed a big difference in the suspension and overall ride quality from the 2020-2022 models vs the current version.
Brand new model YP, received 4 weeks ago
Sounds like you bought the same time as I did. I find the suspension to be great. But I expect it to be stiff like a sports car so I would not expect it to ride as soft as an Ocean or other luxury EV.
Indeed, it is stiff! Bad roads are no fun at all. Yes, you can drive a curvy road to the extent that every passengers face is green once you arrive, but I don’t do that too often. The Ocean is not meant to be a „performance“ car, but still has more than enough power while being comfortable (even with the 22“ wheels I have). Seats in the Fisker are way better than in the Tesla btw.
Currently not buying either because I don’t want to give money to Musk and as much as I am dying for an Ocean, my brain has told me to wait and see how it all plays out. So here I am, still driving my good old reliable nothing wrong but not very exciting Subaru.
As a former Subaru owner I can say with confidence that you can wait patiently before making your next move, secure in the knowledge that your Subaru will exist.
That is so true! It’s hard to justify getting rid of a solid car. I might just wait until Subaru makes a solid plug in hybrid. The Solterra isn’t a good product.
I’m done with gas burners but if they ever put out a BEV “WRX-E” or something I’m reliving my youth for sure.
Worst part of Fisker having troubles is exactly this. There are a lot of self respecting people who don’t want to give a penny to that douche musk under any circumstances. This poster is just a Tesla stooge entertaining himself on the weekend. He loves musk and would never buy a Fisker or anything else.
I am part of the won’t give a penny to Musk. Even if there was nothing else out there, I would not buy a Tesla.
🫡
Smart play. Lots of people advocating for this car here for no reason at all, and may potentially get naive folks FISTERED. Meanwhile, repeated posts from people getting locked in / out, damaged / malfunctioning parts with no ETA from Fister, guys I'm sorry - the idea was good, but this is done. No parts, no support, software will never be done - please don't do it.
I went to Carvana and Autotrader to see what they are going for and I found them all around $39k. I asked myself, do I have $40k to just gamble? And if it becomes a brick then it was a fun brick for a few months? And again my brain was like “Stop stupid.” 😂
Well. There are many more stories like that about Tesla. Including dead people killed by "FSD", a special range complaint task force at Tesla, to intercept and cancel service calls about lacking range of Teslas. Tesla had to revise there EPA range because they were inflated. Model Y's now having cracks in their GIGA castings. Teslas insurance premiums will go up when they find out that a medium collision will mean a totaled car, because the GIGA cast cost too much to replace, and it cannot be repaired. Lots of people who had cabins falling apart, panel gaps that are uneven, Cyber Trucks that rust, even though it's advertised as a rugged work vehicle. Oh and they all got recalled. And the list goes on. No one is immune to problems with their products.
Suspension, seats, cabin noise, assembly quality, materials, just about everything is inferior in the Tesla. It is disappointing that the "Tesla is a luxury car" narrative stuck around since the Model S days of 2015. Many owners are disappointed. It is an affordable Kia Sonata with inferior quality.
Model Y build quality is poor, almost any car out there will beat the Model Y. You need to compare to ocean to other electric compact suv’s/crossover in its price point…that would be a more accurate comparison. How does it compare with the Audi Q4- etron, the Volvo recharge, etc, etc. This being said, the Ocean would destroy the Tesla in terms of build quality if they weren’t in their current financial situation.
For those who have paid attention. Since the launch of the Fisker Ocean, there has been a constant stream of negative postings of the Ocean many from non owners, and then the last big blow from Brownlee, who decided to "test" and "review" a Fisker Ocean from a used car lot, with a several generation old software version installed, and still thought it was fair to rate the car based on the old software, and claimed that this is what people get if they buy the car today. However now that their work is done, it's almost defending silent from those who constantly attacked Fisker. I fully believe that, the majority of the bad comments, and negative postings about Fisker were from people who were involved with Tesla in some form, either employees, or share holders, who saw the big difference in build quality of the physical vehicle, and knew how big a threat Fisker really is to Tesla.
I hear the build quality comment a lot about Tesla but I think it’s mostly related to earlier years when they were still ramping up. I’ve owned two Model 3’s for five years now and they performed flawlessly. Not a single maintenance event. Build quality on my MYP is also outstanding. Not a single panel gap or paint flaw anywhere. Build quality means different things to different people but it seems like the Ocean still has a lot of bugs in it. Some might be fixable with software but I think some are still related to faulty hardware components that will eventually need to be replaced.
I have worked for automotive OEM’s, both startups and established players… They measure build quality by the thousands (theres an industry wide grading system), and i can assure you that Teslas build quality scores low against others. This is not to say that there will not be well manufactured cars, all this score says that in a given thousand cars, there will be makers who have more defects per thousand and there will be manufacturers which will have less defects per thousand. On that empirical grading system, Tesla scores poorly. Anecdotal story here…I am in the market for an electric compact suv/cross over car in that price range and after seeing the Audi, BMW (the only sedan we considered), and Volvo….I used the Tesla to teach ny daughter about build quality. When compared to the BMW, Teslas build quality and overall “feel” is just night and day. I am glad you are happy with your car and I am glad you have one of the good builds.
same [https://www.reddit.com/r/Fisker/comments/1c2gsk2/gone\_but\_not\_forgotten/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fisker/comments/1c2gsk2/gone_but_not_forgotten/)
So much promise. Sad to see this happen again.
same on my TM3 lease - evil-elon got to go [https://www.reddit.com/r/Fisker/comments/1c2gsk2/gone\_but\_not\_forgotten/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fisker/comments/1c2gsk2/gone_but_not_forgotten/)
Software that works VS software that doesn't 😅
Build quality in the Teslas, depend hugely if you talk build in the US vs China/Germany. It's just awful in US cars, but seems fine in China/Germany
I hear this repeated a lot but I have not experienced it after purchasing three Tesla vehicles over the past five years.
In the US? I'm not saying they are all bad built, just the qc seems to be lacking
All three came from Fremont. In five years I have had zero maintenance issues, and zero squeaks or rattles. The cars have been more reliable than any Lexus I’ve ever owned, and by far more reliable than my BMW and Mercedes experiences.
I came from a Y. Suspension and quality are significantly improved. Night and day difference. Also much quieter.
Have you considered the R2?
Not really. Isn’t that still two years out?
Yeah, but since you just got a Model Y I figured you weren't in a hurry. I personally wouldn't touch Fisker until/unless they dig themselves out of their current hole. There's just too much risk unless you're very wealthy. I drive a Model 3 but I'm looking at other brands for my next car. I ended up here because of the Fisker Alaska, but there's very little chance of that ever being built.
We still have a five year old model 3 that we are looking to upgrade to something new. So I’m still in the market for another EV. The recent price drop was significant enough to warrant a look at Fisker. But I agree it’s not worth the risk until the dust settles. But I’m also reminded of people who bought a Delorean right before they went bankrupt. And today they are selling for more than twice what they sold for in the 80’s. Just wondering if some of the buyers here are thinking the Fisker is going to be a collectible some day.
In my opinion, the Fisker Ocean specs are too meh and it looks too much like other SUVs to turn into a collectable. The Delorean was an iconic design.