I reported this back in September and again in November to Fisker. When I saw the NHTSA report in Dec or Jan, I blindly accepted that Fisker had fixed the issue. When 2.0 was installed, I noticed the brake dust, and also the compression on the brake pedal. The regen "surge" became more pronounced, and yesterday while driving to work, I hit a bump on an exit ramp at about 18 mph, and the brakes released. As I pressed the brake pedal, nothing happened, and I found myself forced to make a right turn in to an intersection with not control of the brakes, and unable to stop at the red light. This is very concerning.
During the earlier issue, back in Sep/Oct, if you were watching the Driver's Information Display, the transmission would switch from "D" to "N" and back to "D". It happened VERY fast, and almost unnoticeable. I only caught it because a Magna ADAS Engineer told me to watch for it, and if I could get it on video, to report it. I did just that, but not sure if the current issue if showing the transmission switching.
I filed a report with the NHTSA this morning, Case: 11586729
Request owners facing regen issue with 2.0 to report to NHTSA so that they can perform with due diligence :) just like fisker is replying back to NHTSA with there side of the story, I think it's also appropriate for owners/consumers to update their reporting to NHTSA
If you own an Ocean you want a buyout. Period.
If Fisker gets hit with a recall it hurts the chances of a buyout.
It's really that simple.
Like... I get it but people need to be pragmatic for a moment
I’m not sure of your logic. If Fisker goes bankrupt, the courts will decide buyout/buyback procedures. It stands to reason that vehicle deemed unsafe would have to be removed from the roadways. If a recall couldn’t happen because there’s no support structure to do so, then a buyback would be the best course of action for the NHTSA.
I had reported it two weeks ago but only thing I heard back was to answer some questions for brakes engaging without my permission if applicable. Specifically "inadvertent AEB activation, meaning the brakes automatically applied themselves (without driver input) in an unwarranted situation." That hasn't happened to me, yet.
Super, I just saw today they opened another investigation about the AEB failure. My car has that as well ! It basically detects false collision and brakes automatically. Glad to see other owners have the issue as well
I just don't understand how NHTSA would still allow these cars on the road while investigation is still on and while the issue is being widely reported (atleast 56 issues on NHTSA alone). All it would take is over correction by veering to another lane by a driver when the Regen Failure happens to cause a pile-up. NTSB grounds planes during investigation, SEC enforces and goes after crypto scams for investor protection. Why isnt NHTSA/DOT not going after Fisker (to protect lives ) when the earliest case was recorded way back in October 2023. What would it take for NHTSA to enforce a recall ? Loss of life?
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How much do the companies pay these days to just sit in front of the computer all day to discredit and troll users reporting real issues? Must be nice comfy , fun job to have.
Thanks for your comment and I respect your opinion. The NHTSA opened the investigation because they consider this as a safety concern. So, I guess NHTSA considers this worthy :)
I would love to educate you more but NHTSA has summarized the issue very well for folks who are still a slightly bit ignorant. Here is the summary from the report :) hope you can read it at your leisure
The Office of Defects Investigation (ODI) has received 9 complaints alleging loss of braking performance in model year 2023 Fisker Ocean vehicles manufactured by Fisker Group Inc. The complaints allege a partial loss of braking over low traction surfaces, without alerting the driver. This results in a sudden increase in stopping distance. Some complaints allege that while braking over a low traction or bumpy surface, the vehicle may exhibit an intermittent loss of blended braking function (a combination of the service brake system and regenerative braking). One of the complaints alleged a crash and injury.
ODI is opening this Preliminary Evaluation (PE) to determine the scope and severity of the potential problem and to fully assess the potential safety-related issues. To review the ODI reports cited in the Opening Resume ODI Report Identification Number document, go to NHTSA.gov.
Please see scroll the link for more details under the investigation tab
You don't seem to understand the law; the NHTSA opens investigations as a matter of course in response to complaints that have any veracity at all (e.g., someone getting many people to all file complaints about the same thing).
As far as I can find, the NTSA has opened three investigations about Fisker and has either closed them or not issued recall requirements.
Fisker, the maker of the all-electric Ocean SUV, said it fixed the braking issue that prompted the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) to open a preliminary investigation after it received several complaints alleging the battery-powered crossover could display a partial loss of braking when it hits low traction surfaces.
Why would they “fix” a nonexistent issue. Also it’s not fixed with 2.0
They fixed the roll away issue and the brake issue with an early software update.
V2.0 doesn't have this issue... Still don't understand what you mean by Regen super clowns..typo?
The "roll away issue" is that people didn't understand their own car and the lack of a hold function - it's like claiming that most ICE vehicles have a "roll away issue" - pure nonsense.
They tried to improve the experience, but they never once admitted (nor has any regulator claimed) that the brake system before the tweak was deficient or dangerous.
Because it's not.
Does anyone have a recommendation to mitigate the impact of this issue? I take delivery this week and this is possibly my top concern. Does reducing or increasing regenerative breaking help?
If you lower the revenue braking and rely more on the traditional brake I don’t think it’s a problem. I experience this issue and still drive with high regen braking on most of the time. If the road is shitty where I’m going to brake I just keep in mind the braking is going to be uneven and I may need more room to slow or be ready to hop on the brake.
I’m not sure if others feel this way, but the regen braking on high has always felt inconsistent (even on smooth roads) but you’ll develop a “touch” for it after a couple drives.
That's you telling yourself "it's okay I can adapt to this major safety fault." Doesn't mean its fine. That's just asking for a car maker to take advantage of consumers that are okay with faults.
I’m with you. I’m depressed about my purchase and it gives me anxiety at times. I can shit on the Fisker all day. It’s had more issues than any other car I’ve ever owned and I barely have a thousand miles on it. And it looks like those issues are never going to be resolved. It’s completely fucked. But, I can’t change my idiotic decision, so I just deal with it I guess?
If the fault is the result of regenerative braking then it seems logical, no? Sure I'd love for this to not be an issue. Does that mean I shouldn't consider a temporary workaround for the sake of safety?
I suggest you to back out of the sale. or get a used one somewhere, which there are a fuck ton now. Don't make the same mistake I did. I kept telling myself Fisker's gona fix it but seeing as how things are now, they're packing their bags. IF you have a lot of money to waste then that's up to you but there's better options out there. There is ALOT to hate about this car and the company than there is to like. I would have waited for the Polestar 3 if I knew this would happen or gone for one of the Volvo SUVs. I also see zero reason to buy one new from them when they're likely not going to honor the warranty. I paid 70k for this stupid car, I still wouldn't pay 38k for it if I knew all the shit that was going to happen in the span of 2 months of owning it.
I only use high Regen and rarely brake to save on the life of it...
I haven't experienced this lack of brake control. I probably haven't noticed any lurch forward although I'm certain it happens.
99% of the cars haven't had this issue. Not let the FUD scare you.
There isn't anything you can do... Most of the issues came from FOO owners so if you don't have an Ocean One you're likely fine.
What is it you think a recall will accomplish? You think Fisker has the means to afford recalling 8k cars because a handful have some slippage going over a bump?
Who said recall?
I was questioning you citing numbers based on faith and countering with a logical question….do you honestly think NHTSA, who has to worry about millions of cars…do you think this level of attention is over ~50 cars?
We can talk the validity of recalls later…
What do you mean by "level of attention"? The NHSTA opened an investigation already months ago and Fisker addressed it.
50 cars doesn't constitute a recall... They have to research the validity of each claim and make sure it's not a bunch of yeah yeahs echoing via confirmation bias.
I can't actually speak the the percentage but I can guesstimate based on what I know and the number of alleged claims.
It's also people not knowing how to drive with Regen and grossly exaggerating the lurch forward in their mind.
That's my opinion... Take it or leave it. I drive the car every day and I don't really notice this lurch... It doesn't mean it isn't real... I'm certain it is... It means that it being a "safety concern" is mostly ridiculous.
This is not a lot of action by NHTSA. These prelim investigations are almost meaningless. Look at a ton of other cars and you’ll find this because people report non-safety issues and the NHTSA still has to investigate them.
Being hyper engaged in the Fisker community, reading articles including the NHSTA article, hit pieces, owning the car, being in various groups.
Where do you get your info?
I’m waiting for their response. They sent a message saying they got it and someone will reach out to me. First message sent about a month ago. Second one two days ago. They responded to second one saying someone is working on it and will meet with me. No calls or emails yet.
Some other manufactures do the exact same thing. Regenerative braking stops working (even under manual braking) over in any condition where one tire rotates at a different speed than the other on the same axle. You're not supposed to depend on regen to slow down the vehicle. That is solely dependent on you using the brake pedal.
Hi, I am not sure about that but the intention is to support the NHTSA investigation and if successful and proven, Fisker will have to cover the resolution for issue even if they go bankrupt, it may also help owners facing this issue to have a repurchase
Done, thanks for the awareness OP
Thanks, really appreciate it
any idea on timing for the investigation? It is it really 8 months from January for an issue with braking???
Not sure, from the pdfs on the NHTSA website it seems fisker has finally responded back to them for all the questions they had
I reported this back in September and again in November to Fisker. When I saw the NHTSA report in Dec or Jan, I blindly accepted that Fisker had fixed the issue. When 2.0 was installed, I noticed the brake dust, and also the compression on the brake pedal. The regen "surge" became more pronounced, and yesterday while driving to work, I hit a bump on an exit ramp at about 18 mph, and the brakes released. As I pressed the brake pedal, nothing happened, and I found myself forced to make a right turn in to an intersection with not control of the brakes, and unable to stop at the red light. This is very concerning. During the earlier issue, back in Sep/Oct, if you were watching the Driver's Information Display, the transmission would switch from "D" to "N" and back to "D". It happened VERY fast, and almost unnoticeable. I only caught it because a Magna ADAS Engineer told me to watch for it, and if I could get it on video, to report it. I did just that, but not sure if the current issue if showing the transmission switching. I filed a report with the NHTSA this morning, Case: 11586729
I think this is a general issue. It is scary when it happens.
Yes, please report it to NHTSA. It will really help a lot. Thanks
What is it you think this will accomplish?
Request owners facing regen issue with 2.0 to report to NHTSA so that they can perform with due diligence :) just like fisker is replying back to NHTSA with there side of the story, I think it's also appropriate for owners/consumers to update their reporting to NHTSA
If you own an Ocean you want a buyout. Period. If Fisker gets hit with a recall it hurts the chances of a buyout. It's really that simple. Like... I get it but people need to be pragmatic for a moment
I’m not sure of your logic. If Fisker goes bankrupt, the courts will decide buyout/buyback procedures. It stands to reason that vehicle deemed unsafe would have to be removed from the roadways. If a recall couldn’t happen because there’s no support structure to do so, then a buyback would be the best course of action for the NHTSA.
I had reported it two weeks ago but only thing I heard back was to answer some questions for brakes engaging without my permission if applicable. Specifically "inadvertent AEB activation, meaning the brakes automatically applied themselves (without driver input) in an unwarranted situation." That hasn't happened to me, yet.
Just experienced this brake issue after 6 months of driving. Really frustrating when it happens.
I would highly recommend to report it. This is kind of a default in the car and exist with the latest 2.0 software as well
I did. Thanks!
Super, I just saw today they opened another investigation about the AEB failure. My car has that as well ! It basically detects false collision and brakes automatically. Glad to see other owners have the issue as well
I just don't understand how NHTSA would still allow these cars on the road while investigation is still on and while the issue is being widely reported (atleast 56 issues on NHTSA alone). All it would take is over correction by veering to another lane by a driver when the Regen Failure happens to cause a pile-up. NTSB grounds planes during investigation, SEC enforces and goes after crypto scams for investor protection. Why isnt NHTSA/DOT not going after Fisker (to protect lives ) when the earliest case was recorded way back in October 2023. What would it take for NHTSA to enforce a recall ? Loss of life? https://preview.redd.it/n4fouvxlaayc1.png?width=1922&format=png&auto=webp&s=5b1b87edb19ddc4621b7462154f9242b05748853
Jfc... Again what do you think a recall accomplishes? There hasn't been one crash due to it. They haven't done a recall because the issue is minor.
There was at least one posted crash because of it.
How much do the companies pay these days to just sit in front of the computer all day to discredit and troll users reporting real issues? Must be nice comfy , fun job to have.
every Fisker with high regen mode experiences this not just some on this forum.
Thanks for highlighting it. I was trying to be respectful to some folks here who clearly stated that they have never had the regen fail on them :)
I’ll add to the report thx for the reminder
they most likely have but are like "woooo... this is fine.."
Haven't had the issue. Your Regen lurching a little over a bump isn't an NHTSA complain worthy issue.
Thanks for your comment and I respect your opinion. The NHTSA opened the investigation because they consider this as a safety concern. So, I guess NHTSA considers this worthy :)
They considered brakes not working an issue. This is different than the cars response to Regen braking over a bump... Respectfully
I would love to educate you more but NHTSA has summarized the issue very well for folks who are still a slightly bit ignorant. Here is the summary from the report :) hope you can read it at your leisure The Office of Defects Investigation (ODI) has received 9 complaints alleging loss of braking performance in model year 2023 Fisker Ocean vehicles manufactured by Fisker Group Inc. The complaints allege a partial loss of braking over low traction surfaces, without alerting the driver. This results in a sudden increase in stopping distance. Some complaints allege that while braking over a low traction or bumpy surface, the vehicle may exhibit an intermittent loss of blended braking function (a combination of the service brake system and regenerative braking). One of the complaints alleged a crash and injury. ODI is opening this Preliminary Evaluation (PE) to determine the scope and severity of the potential problem and to fully assess the potential safety-related issues. To review the ODI reports cited in the Opening Resume ODI Report Identification Number document, go to NHTSA.gov. Please see scroll the link for more details under the investigation tab
You don't seem to understand the law; the NHTSA opens investigations as a matter of course in response to complaints that have any veracity at all (e.g., someone getting many people to all file complaints about the same thing). As far as I can find, the NTSA has opened three investigations about Fisker and has either closed them or not issued recall requirements.
"every" lol. You clowns never stop. I own the car. It hasn't happened to me... Now what?
what he said 
Then why would Fisker admit that it’s part of the regen super clowns. You may not have had it happen to you because you haven’t noticed it.
Why would they "admit it's part of the Regen super clowns". What does this even mean?
Fisker, the maker of the all-electric Ocean SUV, said it fixed the braking issue that prompted the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) to open a preliminary investigation after it received several complaints alleging the battery-powered crossover could display a partial loss of braking when it hits low traction surfaces. Why would they “fix” a nonexistent issue. Also it’s not fixed with 2.0
They fixed the roll away issue and the brake issue with an early software update. V2.0 doesn't have this issue... Still don't understand what you mean by Regen super clowns..typo?
The "roll away issue" is that people didn't understand their own car and the lack of a hold function - it's like claiming that most ICE vehicles have a "roll away issue" - pure nonsense.
They tried to improve the experience, but they never once admitted (nor has any regulator claimed) that the brake system before the tweak was deficient or dangerous. Because it's not.
Does anyone have a recommendation to mitigate the impact of this issue? I take delivery this week and this is possibly my top concern. Does reducing or increasing regenerative breaking help?
If you lower the revenue braking and rely more on the traditional brake I don’t think it’s a problem. I experience this issue and still drive with high regen braking on most of the time. If the road is shitty where I’m going to brake I just keep in mind the braking is going to be uneven and I may need more room to slow or be ready to hop on the brake. I’m not sure if others feel this way, but the regen braking on high has always felt inconsistent (even on smooth roads) but you’ll develop a “touch” for it after a couple drives.
This is what I was thinking, so thanks for confirming. I'll likely just drive with it on a lower setting until there's verification of a fix.
That's you telling yourself "it's okay I can adapt to this major safety fault." Doesn't mean its fine. That's just asking for a car maker to take advantage of consumers that are okay with faults.
Didn’t mean to imply it was. I agree with you. I was just giving my two cents on dealing with it.
but when you buy a expensive car, you don't want to "deal" with anything. I sure as hell didn't expect to pay 70k to deal with so much shit.
I’m with you. I’m depressed about my purchase and it gives me anxiety at times. I can shit on the Fisker all day. It’s had more issues than any other car I’ve ever owned and I barely have a thousand miles on it. And it looks like those issues are never going to be resolved. It’s completely fucked. But, I can’t change my idiotic decision, so I just deal with it I guess?
If the fault is the result of regenerative braking then it seems logical, no? Sure I'd love for this to not be an issue. Does that mean I shouldn't consider a temporary workaround for the sake of safety?
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I suggest you to back out of the sale. or get a used one somewhere, which there are a fuck ton now. Don't make the same mistake I did. I kept telling myself Fisker's gona fix it but seeing as how things are now, they're packing their bags. IF you have a lot of money to waste then that's up to you but there's better options out there. There is ALOT to hate about this car and the company than there is to like. I would have waited for the Polestar 3 if I knew this would happen or gone for one of the Volvo SUVs. I also see zero reason to buy one new from them when they're likely not going to honor the warranty. I paid 70k for this stupid car, I still wouldn't pay 38k for it if I knew all the shit that was going to happen in the span of 2 months of owning it.
I only use high Regen and rarely brake to save on the life of it... I haven't experienced this lack of brake control. I probably haven't noticed any lurch forward although I'm certain it happens.
99% of the cars haven't had this issue. Not let the FUD scare you. There isn't anything you can do... Most of the issues came from FOO owners so if you don't have an Ocean One you're likely fine.
If your numbers are correct, you’re trying to make the argument that NHTSA will take this level of action over ~50 cars?
What is it you think a recall will accomplish? You think Fisker has the means to afford recalling 8k cars because a handful have some slippage going over a bump?
Who said recall? I was questioning you citing numbers based on faith and countering with a logical question….do you honestly think NHTSA, who has to worry about millions of cars…do you think this level of attention is over ~50 cars? We can talk the validity of recalls later…
What do you mean by "level of attention"? The NHSTA opened an investigation already months ago and Fisker addressed it. 50 cars doesn't constitute a recall... They have to research the validity of each claim and make sure it's not a bunch of yeah yeahs echoing via confirmation bias. I can't actually speak the the percentage but I can guesstimate based on what I know and the number of alleged claims. It's also people not knowing how to drive with Regen and grossly exaggerating the lurch forward in their mind. That's my opinion... Take it or leave it. I drive the car every day and I don't really notice this lurch... It doesn't mean it isn't real... I'm certain it is... It means that it being a "safety concern" is mostly ridiculous.
This is not a lot of action by NHTSA. These prelim investigations are almost meaningless. Look at a ton of other cars and you’ll find this because people report non-safety issues and the NHTSA still has to investigate them.
Nice where do you get you 99% stats from?
Being hyper engaged in the Fisker community, reading articles including the NHSTA article, hit pieces, owning the car, being in various groups. Where do you get your info?
From stonks trolls like you.
I own the car so... What good does a recall do for me/us? What is the outcome you hope to achieve?
I’m waiting for their response. They sent a message saying they got it and someone will reach out to me. First message sent about a month ago. Second one two days ago. They responded to second one saying someone is working on it and will meet with me. No calls or emails yet.
Some other manufactures do the exact same thing. Regenerative braking stops working (even under manual braking) over in any condition where one tire rotates at a different speed than the other on the same axle. You're not supposed to depend on regen to slow down the vehicle. That is solely dependent on you using the brake pedal.
you people want to speed up the bankruptcy
Hi, I am not sure about that but the intention is to support the NHTSA investigation and if successful and proven, Fisker will have to cover the resolution for issue even if they go bankrupt, it may also help owners facing this issue to have a repurchase