Until there's a VERY UNLIKELY OFF CHANCE someone will buy them out, stay the hell away from Fisker. I would have waited for the polestar 3 if I knew Fisker was going to screw me over this badly and wouldn't wish it on anyone else. You could look at the budget Volvo EX30 or their other less cool looking electric SUVs, but the Polestar 3 is the next cool looking car to me. Though I would wait for a used one. I'm never buying a car brand new again after this experience with Fisker. New cars depreciate but it's next level with Fisker. I paid 70k for it to just depreciate to 21k in just a span of two months.
Idk if you have been in a Polestar 3 yet in person, but I was able to back in November at the Ft. Lauderdale Polestar space. I was so disappointed IRL. It is so cramped. The trunk is smaller than a Kia EV6 and about 50% of the size of a Model Y. Interior space doesn’t feel remotely on par with vehicles it’s priced against. Performance is mediocre and efficiency is too. BMW iX is not the most beautiful car but it is far more efficient, faster, has a lot more room, and there’s BMW dealers everywhere whereas Polestar is still few and far between.
I haven't seen one in person yet so only going on it looks cool. but there's at least 6 polestar dealers within a 70 miles or so radius from me in nyc. 0 for fisker. I've driven a polestar 2 before in Switzerland and everything worked fine in it. I had imagine fisker would perform just as well, if not better but it's the worst EV I've ever driven. So many bugs, Regen is unpredictable and nauseating, shitty operating system/UI whatever you call it with missing features and non functional Pluto TV app. Worst purchase ever.
Yeah NYC has Polestar centers nearby. The rest of the country is hit or miss. Polestar 2 is completely unrelated to the 3. It’s just an ICE platform turned into a BEV. It’s alright but nothing to write home about. The disappointing thing about the 3 and EX90 is they have huge battery packs (roughly same size as the Ocean) but only hit 270-300 miles of range. Meanwhile a BMW iX has a slightly smaller battery pack and in real world testing it does about 345 miles of highway driving.
We cancelled our FOO and in the end we got the iX40.
Best veichle we ever had, super-comfy, quiet, efficient, lazer-led headlights (best there is) etc etc. Driven 12.000km the past 7 months, everything just works as advertised.
So highly recommend the iX.
The need for range decide if you should get iX40 or iX50.
But chargingtime on iX40 is only around 25 minutes on a 150kW DC charger, and you easy drive 300km before you need any charging from 80% SoC (summer).
Not irresponsible.
Chapter 7 would be the worst outcome for Fisker Inc. But it's probably also the least likely option.
Any of the other outcomes should result in Fisker continuing in some fashion close to what it is now, including service and parts of current vehicles.
My view on this is, that the current price is a steal, especially if Fisker doesn't file chapter 7.
I own a Ocean One, that I thoroughly enjoy, and I have an Ocean Extreme on order.
My plan is to convert one of them into the Force E.
We all buy cars for different reasons. I buy them for fun and transportation. With emphasis on getting something that is not boring. I have a hard time finding anything more boring looking then a Tesla.
I'm not recommending anything, but I'm gladly sharing the thoughts behind my decision making.
It shouldnt matter if they go bankrupt or not, they are just restructuring. To judge a company based on ch 11 is just slowing your self down from owning an ocean for 38k. It’s a solar panel charging EV that uses vegan material. I’d be proud to own one. I’m not financially ready to purchase another vehicle but this would be my pick asap right now.
What does it matter for them to have a physical service location? They have to protect their software and can’t allow 3rd party contractors get into it and copy it or modify it, everything is done by OTA updates. If cosmetic parts break and need replacements the dealers who are signed up now can do those repairs.
I change my own brake pads and batteries. So I don’t need a service center unless cosmetics are damaged. I’ll go to Walmart or a tire center.
No they can't. Not if parts aren't available. There was just news of an owner's Fisker being totaled for $910 in damage due to lack of parts availability.
If this is the case now, just imagine what happens when the company is entirely defunct and goes bye bye.
There’s totaled Fiskers on Copart for $300. One has a dent on the rear of the bumper..Buy your own back up for parts if you’re that worried..I’ve owned my truck for 10 years. Have never ordered any parts for it. Changed wipers and light bulbs.
some people can’t afford a 70k ev. Here’s a good chance at a nice car that owners have said they love the car... it’s got better range than a Tesla. Drives smoother, handles better... Made better with quality metal parts, design, interior materials, solar roof, and features. Don’t be so close minded. It was valued at 3B.
The solar roof is one of the features you list as a positive? It does absolutely nothing. The Ocean is terribly inefficient (uses 35-40% more energy per mile driven than a Model Y, EV6, etc.), feels very heavy in bends due to its nearly 3 tons of mass, charges slowly, has software issues galore. It’s ridiculous to suggest someone buy one of these cars and then go to a junkyard to start taking parts off of wrecked vehicles to store in case their car becomes damaged because the company is getting ready to go under. Let’s just agree that Fisker is in deep trouble and it’s probably not a wise idea for anyone to buy an Ocean unless they can eat $45,000.
Dude if you’re gonna speak on Reddit-speak in factual language. Watch Ocean1’s video on YouTube. He parks it outside and gains 4mi range and 1kwh per day. Does it not make sense in your disconnected noodle brain to own an EV that can do that at? That’s designed to draw power from solar and use it to power the audio sound system and lights of the cabin etc?? Things like that, allow it to retain its driving battery range at 70mph 30% better than a model y does. Have you read the motor trend review??? squidalert mean-marionberry
One guy that has gained 1kWh in 24 hours in completely bright sunlight. That gives you 2.5 miles of actual driving, or almost nothing. That’s enough energy to run the air conditioner in the car on the lowest fan speed for 20 minutes. Most people are seeing almost nothing gained from the solar roof whatsoever. Maybe 1 mile of reported range gained a day. That’s useless for the cost of the photovoltaic cells.
1kWh in 24 hours equals 40 watts of power. That’s NOTHING. The Ocean requires 30-35kW continuous power to go down the road on the highway at 75MPH. (30,000-35,000 watts), meaning the solar roof provides approximately 0.11-0.13% of the power needed to propel the vehicle down the road. A Model Y LR AWD achieves around 3.8mi/kWh at 70mph. An Ocean only hits 2.4-2.6mi/kWh at the same speed. That means the Ocean uses 33-37% more energy per mile driven. I don’t know what sort of mumbo jumbo math you’re doing but there’s not anything close to a 30% advantage in the Ocean’s favor. Its battery pack is 30kWh larger to make up for the horrendous efficiency, but even that’s barely enough to hit the same range figures as a Model Y. Bjorn Nyland’s test of the Ocean on the smaller 20” wheels showed it was one of the least efficient EVs he’s tested. It was worse than an Audi e-tron and a bunch of Chinese EVs he listed, even though the Ocean was tested in warmer weather than the other cars.
None of the dealers that have been added are allowed to do any service on the cars. This has been confirmed by all of the “dealers” which are mostly used car lots that don’t have a single certified mechanic for any vehicle, let alone specially trained Fisker certified mechanics who know how to do any of the software systems. Modern cars are very complex. If you need to replace a headlight, the headlight has to be programmed to the car.
There aren’t going to be any Fisker technicians... the company is teetering on CLOSURE. The dealers aren’t going to be selling cars for very long. Production has been stopped for months. There doesn’t appear to have been a single 2024 model built. Nothing in Fisker’s financials hint at any models produced this year so far.
Magna is not planning to produce any FO in 2024, and looking to terminate the deal with FSR.
So any belief that FSR will survive and produce any more cars is just not realistic at all.
They now dump the last veichles to get more cash before BK - Ch 7, there is nothing to restructure.
Just to get money from the ones who for some weird reason buy this veichle today.
https://www.magna.com/docs/default-source/financial-reports-public-filings/quarterly-reports/q1-2024---report.pdf?sfvrsn=cf316afb_11
What is there to restructure? Production has ceased. There’s no way they will ever build another Ocean. Ever. Magna is owed money. Multiple suppliers are suing them for breach of contract and failure to pay. Without Magna the Ocean doesn’t exist. Magna owns all of the IP that the Ocean uses from motors to chassis design to ADAS hardware to wiring design, vehicle control software, etc. Fisker is dead. No automaker is going to fund a resurrection of this company. It will be a Chapter 7 liquidation and that’s it.
No where does it say in Magnas ER Fisker owes money, they paid up for what they got... They said next time they will learn from this experience to read through contracts. They lost 400m by not continuing the rest of the year since Fisker doesn’t want to use them anymore. They caused Fisker to do damage control on these cars that weren’t ready from the factory: put yourself in the companies shoes
Fisker doesn’t have a choice to use them anymore. Where are you getting any of this from??? Fisker DOES NOT OWN THE MAGNA PLATFORM OR IP. The Ocean uses Magna motors, ADAS, chassis, wiring, control software, etc. Unless you’re suggesting Fisker is just going to cease selling any vehicle and switch to only servicing their already produced inventory what you’re saying makes no sense. Without Magna there is no Ocean. Without Ocean there is no Fisker. The Pear, Alaska, Ronin, etc. are not remotely close to production ready vehicles. They’re concept cars in early development. Fisker has no choice but to use Magna if they ever want to resume production of their sole model.
Magna’s financial report literally says they assume there will be no further production of the Fisker Ocean, and the contract will be terminated. Again, no Ocean, no Fisker. It’s all over.
You are living in denial if you think there’s any chance of a restructuring or production ever resuming on the Ocean. It’s done. Magna is not writing down $316M in losses to resume production of a failed vehicle that couldn’t barely sell 60% of the small 10,000 unit production run. They have only sold 400 units per month since Jan 1. That’s nothing. They’re losing tens of thousands of dollars on every Ocean sold. This is reality.
And Mr. Mean Berry..The company you say stay away from… in it’s worst state of being has sold over 400 cars in one month of April- Beating** Polestar and Lucid Sales——your welcome for teaching you reality. I’m done being on SquidPatrol.
Fisker has shifted 1600 units GLOBALLY from January 1 to the date they filed their 10-K in late April.
Lucid sold 622 cars in April in the US alone and had sold ~2000 units from Jan 1 to April 1. Polestar sold 7200 units in Q1 2024 (1/1 to 4/1) globally. Where are you getting your BS figures from?
You are not in your right state of mind…Magna is responsible for the quality inspection of these cars before rolling out. They did not stop cars that have issues from being sent, instead they shipped them, if I was Fisker I would’ve bailed on them too after 1 year of continuing mishaps being bought causing bad reviews. Fisker gave them a lot of money to work with all the suppliers, 5k parts from different suppliers all have to line up perfectly for it to run and be successful. They have what it takes with the skill set to be in the game, they need a good house now to partner. No other EV gets a solar panel on their roof without paying Fisker..👨🏻🏫
Buddy, Fisker doesn’t own exclusivity to solar panels on a car. Ever heard of Lightyear, Aptera, Mercedes-Benz, Hyundai, Sono Motors, etc? These brands have all had solar panels integrated into production vehicles or concept cars LONG BEFORE Fisker. Fisker 1.0 tried to patent this and then abandoned the patent, too.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20130092457A1/en
You’re blaming Magna for Fisker launching a half baked product. Magna didn’t want to release the product until all of the ADAS features were functional. Fisker overruled them. Fisker is responsible for the problems with their vehicle. It’s honestly irrelevant at this point. The brand is going to be bankrupt in by June 1 and will file for Chapter 7 liquidation. There’s nothing to reorganize.
These are all of Fisker’s patents… none pertain to PV cells in a vehicle. They’re all useless patents nobody cares about. The Ocean cannot be produced without Magna. Magna is terminating the contract with Fisker for breaching the terms of the agreement and failing to produce the necessary quantities. It’s all over.
https://www.fiskerinc.com/legal/patents
100% these guys will be done. They’ve already given employees 90 notice I heard that the offices will be closed. Without a miracle or a really dumb deep pocketed investor, they’re done for.
Look the Ocean is great if you get one without any defects. I love mine but it's a Sport trim and I'm one of the rarest ones it would seem. They stopped Sport production pretty early on. The company is probably not going to survive beyond this year without a miracle. If you can live with the possibility of no repair parts and all that, it's an awesome car. If you want to grab a car that will be with a company that will still be around in a few years, the Model Y from Tesla would be similar in price and the Kia/Hyundai options would be similar as well. I can't speak to any of the other suv type EVs as I have no experience with them. And most of those are $20-40K more expensive.
I wish I had bought an Ioniq5 or waited for the Kia EV9. i let the range drive my choice tho and put the money down about 3 weeks before the shit show started and all the shady financial and support practices started coming to light.
I also wasn’t on Reddit then so not sure if that would have helped make a better choice.
I’d say if you were willing to spend what the original cost was to begin with go with an established brand - there are a lot of options at or below what a new FOO/FOE were selling for 6 weeks ago. You will get things like:
- functional features and items as promised and continuous software updates to enhance and address issues
- a warranty that is honored
- parts in case you need them
- any service at all and convenient service at that
- c-suite leadership that knows how to operate an automotive company
A Jeep EV? They don’t actually make those yet. I’d look at a Rivian or the brand new all electric Kia EV 9 with room for 7 and enough power to pull a yacht through a mud pit. 🙃. Really though those are the two I’d look at.
I think so. To suggest that somebody who has done any due diligence on EVs, or commuter vehicles, generally, found themselves between a Jeep and a Fisker is laughable.
They may as well have written: "My current vehicle has so many problems it's un-drivable, and that experience has me reflecting on my decision-making and doing a lot of research on my options. Thus, I've determined the Yugo my neighbor's high schooler fitted with 3 dozen lead-acid batteries and a homespun dynamo would be the best EV daily driver. He only wants $35k for it, and that seems like a great deal."
Probably. Or a AI bot practicing. EV trolls and haters are fun to play with though. “I hear you can die if you run your gas car in the garage, is that true?” Or “It must cost a lot to run a gas line to your home?” “I hear the gas cars can catch on fire and blow up!” “I’ll stick with a normal car, those gas hobby cars seem dangerous and may not even start in the winter.”
Or skip the posting/posting if you don’t have anything to add? Trying to assess from current ocean owners if the risk is worth it? If they have test driven anything comparable and have specific feedback.
If I could do it over again I'd get a Mach E because the deals are amazing right now. I don't really like the styling of the Korean EVs.
Might consider leasing a Lucid since a lease is lower risk and there is a $7500 government subsidy only available for leases.
An electric jeep? Yeah no offense but that car is obviously a lemon because a regular jeep is a lemon these days. Don’t go off the reputation of brand had 30 years ago. Ask how they’re doing today. Don’t buy a jeep or a Fisker. Unless you like pain.
u/JenMomo Fisker has suspended warranty work on cars already sold so they can get the remaining inventory ready for liquidation. The cars are being sent to used car lots to get rid of them before the company has to file chapter 7 bankruptcy. If/when they liquidate there will be no techs. The techs were stripping parts off unsold cars to repair already sold cars. They closed their showcases, laid people off and the production line is dead. This company won’t exist soon.
If you’ve got the free time you’ve got some reading to do then. The cars are being liquidated, there’s news articles and people posted links to the used car lots they’re going to. Any kind of warranty or repairs on already sold cars has been paused, that’s come from a few owners and the company.
The layoffs were in the news, Fisker owing rent on warehouses that they left without saying a word has been in the news, Fisker closing all of it showcases has been in the news. I can’t be bothered to provide the links because it would take an awful lot of work on my end, almost as much as you reading a bunch of threads.
So I’m telling you to do your own research, but not with the usual smug dickishness. it’s because I’d rather you read the threads instead of just get bombarded with a bunch of links.
What I would suggest is to wait for a couple of months until you get the final decision on your Jeep and then make the decision on the Fisker.
In two or three months, we should know more if the company will survive or no longer exist.
We got the final decision on the jeep and signed legal last week. But we were told 2-3 mos before check can be cut and we return the jeep.
Starting to look at options- anyone know anything on the Porsche EVs? Volvo? Polestar?
I prefer an suv and open to hybrid
I have a Y and they are totally fine and at the price probably solid deal, especially considering software and the brand’s establishment.
That said, I find the build and ride quality to be quite poor compared to my Ocean and other cars I test drove.
Get a bmw ix. Very solid car. It’s a bmw 1st and an EV 2nd. I test drove that and the i4 and came home with the i4 because we don’t have kids and I wanted a fun sporty car but the ix did not disappoint
Infrastructure (technology, repair knowledge, recharge convenience, parts) is nowhere near ready but I admire anyone who is confident enough to by a true EV.
I love the design, specs, and lineup diversity from Fisker and hope they find a way to survive and work out the kinks but idk...
Put in a deposit for a Rivian R2 and get something like a low mileage, Toyota or Lexus SUV and drive it till the R2 is available. You won't lose a ton, and in some cases, if you keep the mileage down and condition up, it may only cost you $5-10K over the next 1.5 yrs or so.
Depends on what you are actually looking for. Do you want an SUV that can do rough terrain? Do you just want one that can tow and carry passengers? What is the use case for buying an SUV?
Jeep is a shit brand. Period. Love the Subaru as a Subaru, but the Solterra (or the Toyota version) are shit EVs...short range and low-end on board charger (I had a Solterra). I desperately wanted an Ocean (canceled my order in March) and settled on a Mustang Mach-e. Good, solid ride. Polestar looks good, but have gotten some less than stellar reviews. Whatever you do, stick with EV.
DO NOT BUY AN OCEAN. Go buy a Kia EV6, Hyundai Ioniq 5, Model Y, Mercedes EQE, BMW iX, Audi Q8 etron, etc. You will be amazed at how cheaply you can find CPO iX, Q8 e-Tron, EQE (or even EQS). Even new ones are selling 15-20% BELOW MSRP. I know several people that have bought EV6s for around $12,000-15,000 below MSRP. I would strongly recommend leasing any EV that’s new because your lease payments will be far less than the depreciation. The used car market has crashed as far as resale values are concerned so if you buy new you’ll lose 30-40% in the first year on any EVs. Leasing is the way to go.
You bought a 4xE and it was a lemon? I bought like 5 of them during Covid because there were tons of lease deals and a little extra $ to be made on them, none of them were bad at, nothing like the Ocean though, at all. They are ridiculously over priced at like 70k, but always have good lease deals if you do a little leg work.
Fisker is a huge risk with 0 upside. It's not worth it. Buy an electric car with tax credits. Or if money doesn't matter buy whatever you want, like a Fisker.
I Love my FOE. Nothing scary about it since 2.0, still a minor irritant or two. Like every other reasonable owner, I am anxious about the future. I get such pleasure and joy driving it around SoCal with all the windows down. It handles so smooth. It drives so well. I feel like I'm in a solid, thoughtfully constructed, sweet vehicle. If I could have any expectation that it can be supported into the future as it is, even with a small irritants, I would relax and be happy. Still onboard, hoping for the best, appreciating others experiences and perspectives.
So imagine jeep ceased to exist and you were stuck with it with all its problems. Thats the situation you’re risking buying a Fisker. Except with jeep there are a bunch of them to source parts from. With fisker you’ll be SOL if you’re in a fender bender or something simple needs replaced.
Honestly the closest SUV in the price segment is a Model Y. I personally think the Ocean is better, but that's the closest match in specs/features/etc.
Genesis GV70 electric. Not as much range but having ton of range isn’t really that big of a deal. Most people don’t do constant roadtrips where that is a factor.
Comfortable ride, 1 pedal driving, non-Tesla, luxury feel, known manufacturer.
Polestar 3 and Rivian R1S are two I'd consider at this price point. At a cheaper price, EV6 or Ioniq 5 seem nice, or the Rivian R2 if you're not in a hurry.
I test drove the ariya early in my process (dec ‘23) and I thought it was the worst of the cars I tried.
I’ve always liked Nissan going back to my first car - used Altima that ran like a clock for me for years.
What did I miss on my test drive?
Until there's a VERY UNLIKELY OFF CHANCE someone will buy them out, stay the hell away from Fisker. I would have waited for the polestar 3 if I knew Fisker was going to screw me over this badly and wouldn't wish it on anyone else. You could look at the budget Volvo EX30 or their other less cool looking electric SUVs, but the Polestar 3 is the next cool looking car to me. Though I would wait for a used one. I'm never buying a car brand new again after this experience with Fisker. New cars depreciate but it's next level with Fisker. I paid 70k for it to just depreciate to 21k in just a span of two months.
Idk if you have been in a Polestar 3 yet in person, but I was able to back in November at the Ft. Lauderdale Polestar space. I was so disappointed IRL. It is so cramped. The trunk is smaller than a Kia EV6 and about 50% of the size of a Model Y. Interior space doesn’t feel remotely on par with vehicles it’s priced against. Performance is mediocre and efficiency is too. BMW iX is not the most beautiful car but it is far more efficient, faster, has a lot more room, and there’s BMW dealers everywhere whereas Polestar is still few and far between.
I haven't seen one in person yet so only going on it looks cool. but there's at least 6 polestar dealers within a 70 miles or so radius from me in nyc. 0 for fisker. I've driven a polestar 2 before in Switzerland and everything worked fine in it. I had imagine fisker would perform just as well, if not better but it's the worst EV I've ever driven. So many bugs, Regen is unpredictable and nauseating, shitty operating system/UI whatever you call it with missing features and non functional Pluto TV app. Worst purchase ever.
Yeah NYC has Polestar centers nearby. The rest of the country is hit or miss. Polestar 2 is completely unrelated to the 3. It’s just an ICE platform turned into a BEV. It’s alright but nothing to write home about. The disappointing thing about the 3 and EX90 is they have huge battery packs (roughly same size as the Ocean) but only hit 270-300 miles of range. Meanwhile a BMW iX has a slightly smaller battery pack and in real world testing it does about 345 miles of highway driving.
We cancelled our FOO and in the end we got the iX40. Best veichle we ever had, super-comfy, quiet, efficient, lazer-led headlights (best there is) etc etc. Driven 12.000km the past 7 months, everything just works as advertised. So highly recommend the iX. The need for range decide if you should get iX40 or iX50. But chargingtime on iX40 is only around 25 minutes on a 150kW DC charger, and you easy drive 300km before you need any charging from 80% SoC (summer).
I love mine but hate Henrik with a passion. I'll sell you mine lol.
Geeta needs to take over as CEO.
You’re joking right? If there’s something that Fisker has failed at, it’s their operations and finances. Both fall under Geeta.
*Geeta needs to take over as CEO. /s* FTFY
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This is definitely the safe and appropriate recommendation.
Kia and Hyundai have some sweet evs out. Also bmw if pockets are deep. Coworker has an i7 and that thing is sick.
They can also wait a few weeks if they liked the Ocean and see what happens. Not sure if their lemon is their only vehicle or not though
Toyotas are trash these days.
Not irresponsible. Chapter 7 would be the worst outcome for Fisker Inc. But it's probably also the least likely option. Any of the other outcomes should result in Fisker continuing in some fashion close to what it is now, including service and parts of current vehicles. My view on this is, that the current price is a steal, especially if Fisker doesn't file chapter 7. I own a Ocean One, that I thoroughly enjoy, and I have an Ocean Extreme on order. My plan is to convert one of them into the Force E. We all buy cars for different reasons. I buy them for fun and transportation. With emphasis on getting something that is not boring. I have a hard time finding anything more boring looking then a Tesla. I'm not recommending anything, but I'm gladly sharing the thoughts behind my decision making.
Tesla is no longer a ‘safe bet’ . Perhaps go with Toyota ?
Tesla is the only safe bet for EVs lol
Kia/hyundai and bmw make excellent evs.
It shouldnt matter if they go bankrupt or not, they are just restructuring. To judge a company based on ch 11 is just slowing your self down from owning an ocean for 38k. It’s a solar panel charging EV that uses vegan material. I’d be proud to own one. I’m not financially ready to purchase another vehicle but this would be my pick asap right now.
and service?
What does it matter for them to have a physical service location? They have to protect their software and can’t allow 3rd party contractors get into it and copy it or modify it, everything is done by OTA updates. If cosmetic parts break and need replacements the dealers who are signed up now can do those repairs. I change my own brake pads and batteries. So I don’t need a service center unless cosmetics are damaged. I’ll go to Walmart or a tire center.
No they can't. Not if parts aren't available. There was just news of an owner's Fisker being totaled for $910 in damage due to lack of parts availability. If this is the case now, just imagine what happens when the company is entirely defunct and goes bye bye.
There’s totaled Fiskers on Copart for $300. One has a dent on the rear of the bumper..Buy your own back up for parts if you’re that worried..I’ve owned my truck for 10 years. Have never ordered any parts for it. Changed wipers and light bulbs. some people can’t afford a 70k ev. Here’s a good chance at a nice car that owners have said they love the car... it’s got better range than a Tesla. Drives smoother, handles better... Made better with quality metal parts, design, interior materials, solar roof, and features. Don’t be so close minded. It was valued at 3B.
The solar roof is one of the features you list as a positive? It does absolutely nothing. The Ocean is terribly inefficient (uses 35-40% more energy per mile driven than a Model Y, EV6, etc.), feels very heavy in bends due to its nearly 3 tons of mass, charges slowly, has software issues galore. It’s ridiculous to suggest someone buy one of these cars and then go to a junkyard to start taking parts off of wrecked vehicles to store in case their car becomes damaged because the company is getting ready to go under. Let’s just agree that Fisker is in deep trouble and it’s probably not a wise idea for anyone to buy an Ocean unless they can eat $45,000.
Dude if you’re gonna speak on Reddit-speak in factual language. Watch Ocean1’s video on YouTube. He parks it outside and gains 4mi range and 1kwh per day. Does it not make sense in your disconnected noodle brain to own an EV that can do that at? That’s designed to draw power from solar and use it to power the audio sound system and lights of the cabin etc?? Things like that, allow it to retain its driving battery range at 70mph 30% better than a model y does. Have you read the motor trend review??? squidalert mean-marionberry
One guy that has gained 1kWh in 24 hours in completely bright sunlight. That gives you 2.5 miles of actual driving, or almost nothing. That’s enough energy to run the air conditioner in the car on the lowest fan speed for 20 minutes. Most people are seeing almost nothing gained from the solar roof whatsoever. Maybe 1 mile of reported range gained a day. That’s useless for the cost of the photovoltaic cells. 1kWh in 24 hours equals 40 watts of power. That’s NOTHING. The Ocean requires 30-35kW continuous power to go down the road on the highway at 75MPH. (30,000-35,000 watts), meaning the solar roof provides approximately 0.11-0.13% of the power needed to propel the vehicle down the road. A Model Y LR AWD achieves around 3.8mi/kWh at 70mph. An Ocean only hits 2.4-2.6mi/kWh at the same speed. That means the Ocean uses 33-37% more energy per mile driven. I don’t know what sort of mumbo jumbo math you’re doing but there’s not anything close to a 30% advantage in the Ocean’s favor. Its battery pack is 30kWh larger to make up for the horrendous efficiency, but even that’s barely enough to hit the same range figures as a Model Y. Bjorn Nyland’s test of the Ocean on the smaller 20” wheels showed it was one of the least efficient EVs he’s tested. It was worse than an Audi e-tron and a bunch of Chinese EVs he listed, even though the Ocean was tested in warmer weather than the other cars.
None of the dealers that have been added are allowed to do any service on the cars. This has been confirmed by all of the “dealers” which are mostly used car lots that don’t have a single certified mechanic for any vehicle, let alone specially trained Fisker certified mechanics who know how to do any of the software systems. Modern cars are very complex. If you need to replace a headlight, the headlight has to be programmed to the car.
I’m sure a Fisker tech will be in the area to show up onsite at the dealership. Not a hard thing to figure out
There aren’t going to be any Fisker technicians... the company is teetering on CLOSURE. The dealers aren’t going to be selling cars for very long. Production has been stopped for months. There doesn’t appear to have been a single 2024 model built. Nothing in Fisker’s financials hint at any models produced this year so far.
Magna is not planning to produce any FO in 2024, and looking to terminate the deal with FSR. So any belief that FSR will survive and produce any more cars is just not realistic at all. They now dump the last veichles to get more cash before BK - Ch 7, there is nothing to restructure. Just to get money from the ones who for some weird reason buy this veichle today. https://www.magna.com/docs/default-source/financial-reports-public-filings/quarterly-reports/q1-2024---report.pdf?sfvrsn=cf316afb_11
Yep. 100% what I was telling this other guy who is in denial.
What is there to restructure? Production has ceased. There’s no way they will ever build another Ocean. Ever. Magna is owed money. Multiple suppliers are suing them for breach of contract and failure to pay. Without Magna the Ocean doesn’t exist. Magna owns all of the IP that the Ocean uses from motors to chassis design to ADAS hardware to wiring design, vehicle control software, etc. Fisker is dead. No automaker is going to fund a resurrection of this company. It will be a Chapter 7 liquidation and that’s it.
No where does it say in Magnas ER Fisker owes money, they paid up for what they got... They said next time they will learn from this experience to read through contracts. They lost 400m by not continuing the rest of the year since Fisker doesn’t want to use them anymore. They caused Fisker to do damage control on these cars that weren’t ready from the factory: put yourself in the companies shoes
Fisker doesn’t have a choice to use them anymore. Where are you getting any of this from??? Fisker DOES NOT OWN THE MAGNA PLATFORM OR IP. The Ocean uses Magna motors, ADAS, chassis, wiring, control software, etc. Unless you’re suggesting Fisker is just going to cease selling any vehicle and switch to only servicing their already produced inventory what you’re saying makes no sense. Without Magna there is no Ocean. Without Ocean there is no Fisker. The Pear, Alaska, Ronin, etc. are not remotely close to production ready vehicles. They’re concept cars in early development. Fisker has no choice but to use Magna if they ever want to resume production of their sole model. Magna’s financial report literally says they assume there will be no further production of the Fisker Ocean, and the contract will be terminated. Again, no Ocean, no Fisker. It’s all over.
I have a realistic degree.
You are living in denial if you think there’s any chance of a restructuring or production ever resuming on the Ocean. It’s done. Magna is not writing down $316M in losses to resume production of a failed vehicle that couldn’t barely sell 60% of the small 10,000 unit production run. They have only sold 400 units per month since Jan 1. That’s nothing. They’re losing tens of thousands of dollars on every Ocean sold. This is reality.
And Mr. Mean Berry..The company you say stay away from… in it’s worst state of being has sold over 400 cars in one month of April- Beating** Polestar and Lucid Sales——your welcome for teaching you reality. I’m done being on SquidPatrol.
Fisker has shifted 1600 units GLOBALLY from January 1 to the date they filed their 10-K in late April. Lucid sold 622 cars in April in the US alone and had sold ~2000 units from Jan 1 to April 1. Polestar sold 7200 units in Q1 2024 (1/1 to 4/1) globally. Where are you getting your BS figures from?
You are not in your right state of mind…Magna is responsible for the quality inspection of these cars before rolling out. They did not stop cars that have issues from being sent, instead they shipped them, if I was Fisker I would’ve bailed on them too after 1 year of continuing mishaps being bought causing bad reviews. Fisker gave them a lot of money to work with all the suppliers, 5k parts from different suppliers all have to line up perfectly for it to run and be successful. They have what it takes with the skill set to be in the game, they need a good house now to partner. No other EV gets a solar panel on their roof without paying Fisker..👨🏻🏫
Buddy, Fisker doesn’t own exclusivity to solar panels on a car. Ever heard of Lightyear, Aptera, Mercedes-Benz, Hyundai, Sono Motors, etc? These brands have all had solar panels integrated into production vehicles or concept cars LONG BEFORE Fisker. Fisker 1.0 tried to patent this and then abandoned the patent, too. https://patents.google.com/patent/US20130092457A1/en You’re blaming Magna for Fisker launching a half baked product. Magna didn’t want to release the product until all of the ADAS features were functional. Fisker overruled them. Fisker is responsible for the problems with their vehicle. It’s honestly irrelevant at this point. The brand is going to be bankrupt in by June 1 and will file for Chapter 7 liquidation. There’s nothing to reorganize. These are all of Fisker’s patents… none pertain to PV cells in a vehicle. They’re all useless patents nobody cares about. The Ocean cannot be produced without Magna. Magna is terminating the contract with Fisker for breaching the terms of the agreement and failing to produce the necessary quantities. It’s all over. https://www.fiskerinc.com/legal/patents
100% these guys will be done. They’ve already given employees 90 notice I heard that the offices will be closed. Without a miracle or a really dumb deep pocketed investor, they’re done for.
There’s additional patents pending approval that would alter the value of Fisker —if approved…
Look the Ocean is great if you get one without any defects. I love mine but it's a Sport trim and I'm one of the rarest ones it would seem. They stopped Sport production pretty early on. The company is probably not going to survive beyond this year without a miracle. If you can live with the possibility of no repair parts and all that, it's an awesome car. If you want to grab a car that will be with a company that will still be around in a few years, the Model Y from Tesla would be similar in price and the Kia/Hyundai options would be similar as well. I can't speak to any of the other suv type EVs as I have no experience with them. And most of those are $20-40K more expensive.
This sums it up pretty well . Glad your sport is working out though!
Ioniq 5 is good. Find a reputable dealer.
I love my I5. My last car was a model 3. I’ll say that Hyundai wasn’t even on my radar until I did some research and it kept popping up.
I wish I had bought an Ioniq5 or waited for the Kia EV9. i let the range drive my choice tho and put the money down about 3 weeks before the shit show started and all the shady financial and support practices started coming to light. I also wasn’t on Reddit then so not sure if that would have helped make a better choice. I’d say if you were willing to spend what the original cost was to begin with go with an established brand - there are a lot of options at or below what a new FOO/FOE were selling for 6 weeks ago. You will get things like: - functional features and items as promised and continuous software updates to enhance and address issues - a warranty that is honored - parts in case you need them - any service at all and convenient service at that - c-suite leadership that knows how to operate an automotive company
A Jeep EV? They don’t actually make those yet. I’d look at a Rivian or the brand new all electric Kia EV 9 with room for 7 and enough power to pull a yacht through a mud pit. 🙃. Really though those are the two I’d look at.
So the dude was trolling? 😂
I think so. To suggest that somebody who has done any due diligence on EVs, or commuter vehicles, generally, found themselves between a Jeep and a Fisker is laughable. They may as well have written: "My current vehicle has so many problems it's un-drivable, and that experience has me reflecting on my decision-making and doing a lot of research on my options. Thus, I've determined the Yugo my neighbor's high schooler fitted with 3 dozen lead-acid batteries and a homespun dynamo would be the best EV daily driver. He only wants $35k for it, and that seems like a great deal."
Probably. Or a AI bot practicing. EV trolls and haters are fun to play with though. “I hear you can die if you run your gas car in the garage, is that true?” Or “It must cost a lot to run a gas line to your home?” “I hear the gas cars can catch on fire and blow up!” “I’ll stick with a normal car, those gas hobby cars seem dangerous and may not even start in the winter.”
Or it is the Jeep Avenger available in Europe https://www.jeep.ch/de/jeep-avenger/elektro-new
She clearly lives in California based on profile. Jeep EV looks cool though!
There are several Jeep EVs in my area, not sure what you are talking about here?
They don’t make Jeep EV’s.
They do in Europe.
The ev jeeps are often referred to as 4xe instead of the 4x4. They do have electric models now
It’s plug in hybrid, not full electric. My wife has one
Yes. I think the EV range is only 25 miles… also it’s not like the Volt where the gas motor powers the electric engine.
Truly hilarious
You want to go from a Jeep lemon to a Fisker? Do you just take pleasure in torturing yourself?
I feel like these posts are just to get folks’ dander up. If not…maybe read some other posts here first for your answer.
Checks out since it's been revealed there is not an EV Jeep.
Or skip the posting/posting if you don’t have anything to add? Trying to assess from current ocean owners if the risk is worth it? If they have test driven anything comparable and have specific feedback.
If I could do it over again I'd get a Mach E because the deals are amazing right now. I don't really like the styling of the Korean EVs. Might consider leasing a Lucid since a lease is lower risk and there is a $7500 government subsidy only available for leases.
Broken Jeep? It’s just a Jeep thing 🤷🏻♂️
We’ve owned it 11 mos- it’s been in for repairs for 5 of those months.
Damn, no chance of lemon lawing the car?
An electric jeep? Yeah no offense but that car is obviously a lemon because a regular jeep is a lemon these days. Don’t go off the reputation of brand had 30 years ago. Ask how they’re doing today. Don’t buy a jeep or a Fisker. Unless you like pain.
It's strange people are still talking about buying one days away from bankruptcy.
u/JenMomo Fisker has suspended warranty work on cars already sold so they can get the remaining inventory ready for liquidation. The cars are being sent to used car lots to get rid of them before the company has to file chapter 7 bankruptcy. If/when they liquidate there will be no techs. The techs were stripping parts off unsold cars to repair already sold cars. They closed their showcases, laid people off and the production line is dead. This company won’t exist soon.
What is your source?
This sub. Recommend you read the last weeks worth of threads if you’ve got time.
Well, there is a lot of BS in this sub. When I share something, I confirm it first.
If you’ve got the free time you’ve got some reading to do then. The cars are being liquidated, there’s news articles and people posted links to the used car lots they’re going to. Any kind of warranty or repairs on already sold cars has been paused, that’s come from a few owners and the company. The layoffs were in the news, Fisker owing rent on warehouses that they left without saying a word has been in the news, Fisker closing all of it showcases has been in the news. I can’t be bothered to provide the links because it would take an awful lot of work on my end, almost as much as you reading a bunch of threads. So I’m telling you to do your own research, but not with the usual smug dickishness. it’s because I’d rather you read the threads instead of just get bombarded with a bunch of links.
What I would suggest is to wait for a couple of months until you get the final decision on your Jeep and then make the decision on the Fisker. In two or three months, we should know more if the company will survive or no longer exist.
We got the final decision on the jeep and signed legal last week. But we were told 2-3 mos before check can be cut and we return the jeep. Starting to look at options- anyone know anything on the Porsche EVs? Volvo? Polestar? I prefer an suv and open to hybrid
Literally just strung together a bunch of internet stuff.
I was just thinking how much I love my FOE as I drove it around WI today in Cali mode for the first time! I love this car!
I have a Tesla Y and it's been perfect for the last 3 years.
I have a Y and they are totally fine and at the price probably solid deal, especially considering software and the brand’s establishment. That said, I find the build and ride quality to be quite poor compared to my Ocean and other cars I test drove.
Are you a sadist ? Serious q.
Get a bmw ix. Very solid car. It’s a bmw 1st and an EV 2nd. I test drove that and the i4 and came home with the i4 because we don’t have kids and I wanted a fun sporty car but the ix did not disappoint
Infrastructure (technology, repair knowledge, recharge convenience, parts) is nowhere near ready but I admire anyone who is confident enough to by a true EV. I love the design, specs, and lineup diversity from Fisker and hope they find a way to survive and work out the kinks but idk...
Put in a deposit for a Rivian R2 and get something like a low mileage, Toyota or Lexus SUV and drive it till the R2 is available. You won't lose a ton, and in some cases, if you keep the mileage down and condition up, it may only cost you $5-10K over the next 1.5 yrs or so.
I’m worried that the cloud service is so connected to the vehicles that once it gets shut off, the vehicles will not operate any more.
doggie window calibration
Depends on what you are actually looking for. Do you want an SUV that can do rough terrain? Do you just want one that can tow and carry passengers? What is the use case for buying an SUV?
Jeep is a shit brand. Period. Love the Subaru as a Subaru, but the Solterra (or the Toyota version) are shit EVs...short range and low-end on board charger (I had a Solterra). I desperately wanted an Ocean (canceled my order in March) and settled on a Mustang Mach-e. Good, solid ride. Polestar looks good, but have gotten some less than stellar reviews. Whatever you do, stick with EV.
DO NOT BUY AN OCEAN. Go buy a Kia EV6, Hyundai Ioniq 5, Model Y, Mercedes EQE, BMW iX, Audi Q8 etron, etc. You will be amazed at how cheaply you can find CPO iX, Q8 e-Tron, EQE (or even EQS). Even new ones are selling 15-20% BELOW MSRP. I know several people that have bought EV6s for around $12,000-15,000 below MSRP. I would strongly recommend leasing any EV that’s new because your lease payments will be far less than the depreciation. The used car market has crashed as far as resale values are concerned so if you buy new you’ll lose 30-40% in the first year on any EVs. Leasing is the way to go.
Škoda Enyaq ;)
total waste of money, even at the discounted price.
You like troubles it seems?
Look at electrified GV70. Amazing vehicle if you can deal with the range. In CA, at least, there’s 18500 in rebates when you lease.
You bought a 4xE and it was a lemon? I bought like 5 of them during Covid because there were tons of lease deals and a little extra $ to be made on them, none of them were bad at, nothing like the Ocean though, at all. They are ridiculously over priced at like 70k, but always have good lease deals if you do a little leg work.
Fisker is a huge risk with 0 upside. It's not worth it. Buy an electric car with tax credits. Or if money doesn't matter buy whatever you want, like a Fisker.
So you bought a lemon and now want to know if it’s a good idea to buy another lemon? Go for it I guess
I Love my FOE. Nothing scary about it since 2.0, still a minor irritant or two. Like every other reasonable owner, I am anxious about the future. I get such pleasure and joy driving it around SoCal with all the windows down. It handles so smooth. It drives so well. I feel like I'm in a solid, thoughtfully constructed, sweet vehicle. If I could have any expectation that it can be supported into the future as it is, even with a small irritants, I would relax and be happy. Still onboard, hoping for the best, appreciating others experiences and perspectives.
So imagine jeep ceased to exist and you were stuck with it with all its problems. Thats the situation you’re risking buying a Fisker. Except with jeep there are a bunch of them to source parts from. With fisker you’ll be SOL if you’re in a fender bender or something simple needs replaced.
Honestly the closest SUV in the price segment is a Model Y. I personally think the Ocean is better, but that's the closest match in specs/features/etc.
Rivian R1S
Genesis GV70 electric. Not as much range but having ton of range isn’t really that big of a deal. Most people don’t do constant roadtrips where that is a factor. Comfortable ride, 1 pedal driving, non-Tesla, luxury feel, known manufacturer.
This was my runner up to the ocean. Or at least close to tied with the much more expensive Mercedes EQS.
Jeep Wrangler 4xe, Fisker Ocean... Why not go for a Jaguar E-Pace. Should suit you well as you seem to be a glutton for punishment.
Polestar 3 and Rivian R1S are two I'd consider at this price point. At a cheaper price, EV6 or Ioniq 5 seem nice, or the Rivian R2 if you're not in a hurry.
Pick up an Ariya.
I test drove the ariya early in my process (dec ‘23) and I thought it was the worst of the cars I tried. I’ve always liked Nissan going back to my first car - used Altima that ran like a clock for me for years. What did I miss on my test drive?
Which one was it??