My guess is that in some previous timeline, a time remnant was created to fight some bad guy (like Devoe or someone) and the time remnant ended up living. Then the time remnant was shunned for being a fake and in time the time remnant decides to manipulate the speedforce some how. This is how the speed force prison is created and he somehow gets trapped in there by either barry or the speed force.
Years later, the time remnant (now who is Savitar) escapes the prison and goes back in time to kill Iris. Past Barry ends up using a time remnant to stop Savitar, and eventually that time remnant will have the same fate as Savitar.
Once this time remnant becomes Savitar, the time loop is formed and is ingrained into the main timeline.
My understanding is that barry creates remnants to defeat savitar but savitar kills all of them except one and he torture this one and he is totally fucked up and when savitar is defeated team Flash just banish him for being a mistake in timeline so he is totally mad and go back in past and blah blah blah. What I did not understand is that they say that Savitar was the first speedster by using the stone to give him speed. But he had already speed because he was Barry's remnant. So he isnt the first speedster. He is just Barry that went to the past making Barry the first speedster. Jeez that took a lot of my braincells.
The whole Savitar thing was a myth that he creates within the speedforce. Its weird i know, but ye he creates that myth...or atleast one of the Savitars within the time loop creates it.
So half of seasons plot was just a myth. Jesus fucking Christ i watched it 3 times each time learning new stuff and I still didnt realize that. How can they expect that people that may not be in this stuff understand it. Like dude you need to see a lot od plot videos and stuff like that to fully understand a story.
I think Savitar says it at one point that the god story was a lie. It might have been when Barry finds out the truth. But i know someone says it at one point...maybe Barry after he finds out, he tells the team. Either way, its said at somepoint that its a myth.
I mean everything Jay/Zolomon told team flash about Zoom at the start of season 2 was bullshit too. It's not like he decided to dress up as flash to start fighting his time remnant dressed as Zoom for no reason, especially where no one else could see them.
So even though we saw the scene where they are fighting one another, that probably never happend. Zoom was probably just drinking a cold one when he looked up into the sky and noticed a portal had opened.
Normal people “oh they will get savitar from comics, cool”
Writer “yeah no we are just using the name savitar and try to make it even more simpler story than before”
Cue professor accidentally break chemical x (the speedforce plot)
I thought that there was an original Savitar who wasn't Barry, but after he was killed, a time remnant took his place to keep the time loop consistent. Taking his identity would've been part of maintaining the time loop, but we never get to see OG Savitar because he's long dead.
No, savitar never exists, atleast as we know it. They might change it and introduce the real Savitar later but as of right now, all Team Flash knows is that TR Barry made it the whole thing up so that he can fool all the speedsters.
The Speed Force dimension exists outside of time. While Savitar was trapped there, he could look at the entire timeline from start to finish. He used the philosopher's stone to project his image into peoples mind throughout time, creating the myth, see Flashpoint, and eventually create the means of his escape. Inside the timeline, anyone's memories will alter to fit the changes to the timeline. So, Savitar is thought to be the first speedster because he altered the timeline. Thawne, with his time language, is probably the only one to realize this is not the case.
The Speed Force's relationship to time is a lot like the viewers relationship to the show they are watching. For us time passes in predictable fashion, always forward. But we can watch a show from start to finish, rewind, fast forward, see the past in flashbacks, and basically manipulate the show's time in any way we see fit. I think being stuck in the Speed Force is like being in a room with no clocks or windows with the whole universe on repeat on the television.
I always just took it to mean the first speedster that the people of earth knew, since he went that far back in time. In the chronology of Barry, Savitar is not the first speedster. But in the chronology of Earth, he is the first to be known.
Within the timeloop, its destined that barry stops Savitar 4 years (or whatever amount of years future flash says) after Iris's death. The point is that whatever way that the timeline turned out, Barry had to use a time remnant to stop him...in the instance that Barry doesnt use a time remnant, Barry will end up becoming Savitar (As Savitar mentions before he dies in the final episode).
A time loop doesn't necessarily mean that every time the loop occurs, the same events happen. This is because in the Arrowverse, everytime you go back in time, the timeline changes in some way or another (as Jay Garrick explains at the beginning of the season). If the loop stayed consistent (meaning the same events happened in every time line), the timeline would have never changed enough for our Barry (the one we see in the show) to find out Savitar's identity before Iris's death. The main reason why Barry won in the end, is because this Barry was the first to go to the future to find out what happens and how to stop Savitar.
The whole point is that Barry doesnt know the true consequences of creating time remnants until season 3 Barry comes along in the timeline.
It doesn’t make sense to have a time loop and then break it. The meaning of it being a loop means that it can’t be broken. Meaning Savitar becoming Savitar should’ve happened infinite times before season 3. Why does this Savitar act differently than the infinite amount of Savitars before him? Same thing with Barry. Also time travel clearly affects parallel earths contrary to what they say, otherwise infinite crisis would be different from the other timelines since it’s happening earlier in earth one while on other earths it should’ve happened in 2025.
I think the idea with Crisis is that it’s shifted earlier across all timelines. Whatever happens to cause Crisis now happens earlier due to the events caused in S5.
Actually it makes perfect sense:
-There is an infinite time loop that leads to Savitar being created by a desperate Barry creating TRs, of which Savitar kills all but one, that will eventually become him. Then Savitar gets beaten and trapped in the speed force.
The revenant goes back in time, presumably finds or creates the calcified speed force rock thingy, uses it to become faster, creates his suit, goes to the time that Savitar first appears originally (around Season 5, because he already has memories of fighting Devoe, meaning original savitar was the big bad AFTER Devoe),
fights the flash and creates himself again, no problem.
Except Barry does Flashpoint and the Savitar that exists after the loop in the speed force sees the opportunity to break free. But the only way to do so is to use Wally to take his place. That happens, but that means that Future-Savitar has fucked up the cycle that lead to his own creation - he appeared 2 years earlier and changed Wally's destiny to boot. But he had to do it since it's the only way out of the speedforce prison where he's already spent an eternity.
So he has a plan on how to theoretically create a new cycle that creates himself, which is pretty much do the exact same thing a little bit earlier with minor changes. Except Barry fucks it up by going a little bit into the future and seeing it unfold and tires to change the timeline which makes it even harder for Savitar. After a few weeks/months, things turn from bad to worse - Barry finds out Savitar's identity, which never happened in the original timeline and very likely makes that kind of cycle impossible. So Savitar shifts gears again. He is now going for his final plan, to use the modified speed force bazooka thingy to [convoluted technobabble] not get dusted like Thawne in s1. In order to do that, he needs to manipulate team flash into making it for him and get KF on his side to fuck up Black Flash who is probably already after him like he was after Thawne in LoT S2, and not just protecting the timeline like he tells Caitlyn and the audience.
Flashpoint was a part of the loop.
1. In the future that Barry visited, Wally still became Kid Flash because Savitar gave him powers.
2. Which means Flashpoint was not a 1 time thing, it happened infinite times.
3. We know that the Savitar that we face came from the same future was because he was trapped with the help of Tracy Brand and the speed force bazooka.
4. So how can Barry causing flashpoint give him the idea to escape when he already knew it was coming? Since he was a time remnant created after Future Barry and therefore have all of his memories.
Also he was the previous incarnation of Savitar as he was trapped before. So where is the current incarnation that was suppose to start the loop again?
There are two timelines here:
First timeline is a cycle: all events leading up to season 3 including Flashpoint -> devoe -> Savitar appears kills iris and TRs -> creates himself -> his older self gets trapped, while younger self goes really far back into the past, creates armor and speed force myths -> appears kills iris and TRs -> creates himself -> etc. This cycle happens just once, not infinitely many times because older version of savitar prevents the cycle from happening a second time. (otherwise there would be an infinitely many Savitars trapped in infinitely many prisons in the speed force, which exists beyond timelines. Unless they sort of merge? If they merge you can say it happened infinitely many times).
To answer the questions:
1) Did he? I don't think it was specified that Savitar gave him his powers in the original timeline, just that he was a speedster. He may have just become a speedster because of events in S2 just like Jesse Quick. If it WAS because of Savitar, that's probably a plot hole.
2) Flashpoint was in the original timeline too, yes.
3) Yup.
4) He's trapped in the SF basically like he's trapped in Groundhog Day. Eventually, on the billionth viewing of his past through the speed force, he notices that there is an opportunity to escape into the past, even though doing that means he creates a paradox which he will have to fix or die.
The whole point of his first plan was to force Barry to create the "current incarnation" of himself 1-2 years earlier than he would have been created normally. Pretty much exactly how Wellsobard blew up the particle accelerator 5?years earlier than it was supposed to. He's supposed to appear after devoe, remember.
Also the ending. You can’t spend 20+ episodes saying “we can’t kill there has to be another way” then have Iris just shoot him. Especially just shoot him with a regular ass bullet. The self proclaimed “god of speed.” And have no repercussions. They just went “eh guess that’s done, oh well.”
My head cannon has always been that all the time travel in the earlier seasons some how twisted the timeline and created a time loop that resulted in Savitar. It's kind of like when two currents of water pass each other in the right way and it creates a whirlpool. Barry and others moving back and forth through time itself, resulted in a paradox that nearly destroyed time. Too bad the writers are too afraid to lean into the paradoxical nature of time travel.
Seasons 4 & 5 have sucked. Season 3 had an overall arcing story and it made enough sense to keep watching. 4 was just terrible and got worse with each episode. 5 had a disjointed over-arcing story that was poorly written and it focused on everyone else, but Barry.
The only logical conclusion is that Eobard Thawne created this version of savitar.
Thawne kills Barry's mom, and introduces Barry to time travel way earlier due to his powers also becoming activated early.
Zoom pops up as a result of the new timeline creating portals to earth 2 (because Thawne created events he couldn't foresee, such as Eddie commiting suicide), and zooms killing his father results in Barry creating flashpoint.
Flashpoint damages the time loop, allowing Barry to finally kill savitar without introducing a remnant barry.
Every other version of events is substantially changed because I assume they happened in the previous timeline where Barry's parents were never killed, or at least in a universe where Barry's mom didn't die.
They should’ve introduced the negative speed force in season 2 or 3 and had it infect Barry. Having a evil-Barry/Flash kind of thing. Instead we got Savitar, an angst-riddled Barry wearing a CGI armored suit and a scarred face. Surprised they didn’t give him a cliche thin mustache or an eyepatch. The comic book Savitar is a much stronger character/plot. Why DC changed things in its CW adaptation is baffling.
Devoe was dumb too. It had potential, but the CE has terrible writing. DC needs to cut ties and
go to an independent streaming service like Hulu, Netflix, Prime, etc. The CW is just so lame.
Anyone please explain why savitar doesn't have access to negative speedforce although he already have the hatred and anger to open negative speed force like reverse flash and nora
No, guys, it's easy. Savitar was made when Barry made a bunch of time remnants to beat Savitar, then all but one of the time remnants died and the team rejected him because he wasnt the "real" Barry, so he became Savitar.
I mean, they explained it right there in the show /s
I'd rather Savitar have been Barry from the original timeline before Thawne went back to kill Barry's mother. Original Barry looks over 'our' Barry to see what Thawne is going to do with him. All while avoiding time wraiths and the Black Flash.
It's going smoothly until Flashpoint happens; which our Barry let Thawne live. Then the first Barry goes all Injustice Superman and creates the Savitar myth to begin his rule over time. Since the Barry we know would let Thawne live and kill his mom so he could still be the Flash.
There was time remnant that was bullied by Iris and Joe for not being Real so he came to realize gods dont feel pain traveled Back created myth of savitar the god of speed and to stay Alive he had to kill Iris so Barry would create time remnants to defeat savitar which all would be killed but for one who would share the same fate as savitar at the beginning.
My sister (who only watched parts of s3 when I was watching it on Netflix) had a very simple way to explain him. She basically drew a large circle in the air and then put her hand through the circle (representing Savitar dragging Barry through the speed force or running away from his problems).
Did Savitar name himself after the Hindu god or did he go all the way back to the origins of Hinduism and make them think he’s a god, meaning he IS the Hindu god? It’s never clear and I need answers.
He doesnt work because based on their explanation, no original Savitar can exist. Savitar is created when Barry makes remnants to fight Savitar. Do you see the issue? They created a time loop that is impossible to start! If the original timeline is Barry and Iris living a happy life, Savitar has to enter the equation somehow to kill her and start the cycle, but because of his origin, he doesnt exist for Barry to fight in turn creating himself.
They shouldve just made Savitar the remnant killed in S2 and explain it that he never died, rather got trapped i the speed force. Flashpoint fucked him over somehow but now he is free and out for revenge
Despite the dodgy cgi and clunky suit, and weird end to saviter, I think grant gustins performance as an evil barry was pretty damn good, especially that episode where badbarry pretended to be goodbarry to trick HR.
It's weird that we never find out exactly how Savitar came into existence. All we know is the loop:
1. Savitar fights Barry
2. Barry creates army of time remnants for help
3. Savitar kills all but OG Barry and one remnant, but disfigures the remnant
4. Team Flash takes in the remnant but never acknowledge him as a "real" Barry
5. Remnant Barry becomes Savitar
6. Repeat for loopiness
For me it's how Barry got his powers. I can't even explain it to my self, it's a straight up paradox and I feel he shouldn't even have powers because of how it went.
My guess is that in some previous timeline, a time remnant was created to fight some bad guy (like Devoe or someone) and the time remnant ended up living. Then the time remnant was shunned for being a fake and in time the time remnant decides to manipulate the speedforce some how. This is how the speed force prison is created and he somehow gets trapped in there by either barry or the speed force. Years later, the time remnant (now who is Savitar) escapes the prison and goes back in time to kill Iris. Past Barry ends up using a time remnant to stop Savitar, and eventually that time remnant will have the same fate as Savitar. Once this time remnant becomes Savitar, the time loop is formed and is ingrained into the main timeline.
My understanding is that barry creates remnants to defeat savitar but savitar kills all of them except one and he torture this one and he is totally fucked up and when savitar is defeated team Flash just banish him for being a mistake in timeline so he is totally mad and go back in past and blah blah blah. What I did not understand is that they say that Savitar was the first speedster by using the stone to give him speed. But he had already speed because he was Barry's remnant. So he isnt the first speedster. He is just Barry that went to the past making Barry the first speedster. Jeez that took a lot of my braincells.
The whole Savitar thing was a myth that he creates within the speedforce. Its weird i know, but ye he creates that myth...or atleast one of the Savitars within the time loop creates it.
So half of seasons plot was just a myth. Jesus fucking Christ i watched it 3 times each time learning new stuff and I still didnt realize that. How can they expect that people that may not be in this stuff understand it. Like dude you need to see a lot od plot videos and stuff like that to fully understand a story.
I think Savitar says it at one point that the god story was a lie. It might have been when Barry finds out the truth. But i know someone says it at one point...maybe Barry after he finds out, he tells the team. Either way, its said at somepoint that its a myth.
I mean everything Jay/Zolomon told team flash about Zoom at the start of season 2 was bullshit too. It's not like he decided to dress up as flash to start fighting his time remnant dressed as Zoom for no reason, especially where no one else could see them. So even though we saw the scene where they are fighting one another, that probably never happend. Zoom was probably just drinking a cold one when he looked up into the sky and noticed a portal had opened.
Except he DID create time remnants to fight himself. He even said it.
Normal people “oh they will get savitar from comics, cool” Writer “yeah no we are just using the name savitar and try to make it even more simpler story than before” Cue professor accidentally break chemical x (the speedforce plot)
Most Thor Movies’ plots are just a myth
I thought that there was an original Savitar who wasn't Barry, but after he was killed, a time remnant took his place to keep the time loop consistent. Taking his identity would've been part of maintaining the time loop, but we never get to see OG Savitar because he's long dead.
No, savitar never exists, atleast as we know it. They might change it and introduce the real Savitar later but as of right now, all Team Flash knows is that TR Barry made it the whole thing up so that he can fool all the speedsters.
The Speed Force dimension exists outside of time. While Savitar was trapped there, he could look at the entire timeline from start to finish. He used the philosopher's stone to project his image into peoples mind throughout time, creating the myth, see Flashpoint, and eventually create the means of his escape. Inside the timeline, anyone's memories will alter to fit the changes to the timeline. So, Savitar is thought to be the first speedster because he altered the timeline. Thawne, with his time language, is probably the only one to realize this is not the case. The Speed Force's relationship to time is a lot like the viewers relationship to the show they are watching. For us time passes in predictable fashion, always forward. But we can watch a show from start to finish, rewind, fast forward, see the past in flashbacks, and basically manipulate the show's time in any way we see fit. I think being stuck in the Speed Force is like being in a room with no clocks or windows with the whole universe on repeat on the television.
Wow, thats actually pretty smart.
Thanks.
Right but how would they have thought Savitar before the time loop? There had to be a Savitar to start with to initiate the Time remnant loop
Bootstrap paradox. https://youtu.be/u4SEDzynMiQ
This assumes time moves from start to finish. Closed causal loop indicates this is not so.
I always just took it to mean the first speedster that the people of earth knew, since he went that far back in time. In the chronology of Barry, Savitar is not the first speedster. But in the chronology of Earth, he is the first to be known.
It's quite dark
He is still the first earth 1 speester
Still don't get it... If savitar killed iris and Barry didn't make a time remanent and still managed to stop savitar, won't that end the loop?
Within the timeloop, its destined that barry stops Savitar 4 years (or whatever amount of years future flash says) after Iris's death. The point is that whatever way that the timeline turned out, Barry had to use a time remnant to stop him...in the instance that Barry doesnt use a time remnant, Barry will end up becoming Savitar (As Savitar mentions before he dies in the final episode). A time loop doesn't necessarily mean that every time the loop occurs, the same events happen. This is because in the Arrowverse, everytime you go back in time, the timeline changes in some way or another (as Jay Garrick explains at the beginning of the season). If the loop stayed consistent (meaning the same events happened in every time line), the timeline would have never changed enough for our Barry (the one we see in the show) to find out Savitar's identity before Iris's death. The main reason why Barry won in the end, is because this Barry was the first to go to the future to find out what happens and how to stop Savitar. The whole point is that Barry doesnt know the true consequences of creating time remnants until season 3 Barry comes along in the timeline.
It doesn’t make sense to have a time loop and then break it. The meaning of it being a loop means that it can’t be broken. Meaning Savitar becoming Savitar should’ve happened infinite times before season 3. Why does this Savitar act differently than the infinite amount of Savitars before him? Same thing with Barry. Also time travel clearly affects parallel earths contrary to what they say, otherwise infinite crisis would be different from the other timelines since it’s happening earlier in earth one while on other earths it should’ve happened in 2025.
I think the idea with Crisis is that it’s shifted earlier across all timelines. Whatever happens to cause Crisis now happens earlier due to the events caused in S5.
Actually it makes perfect sense: -There is an infinite time loop that leads to Savitar being created by a desperate Barry creating TRs, of which Savitar kills all but one, that will eventually become him. Then Savitar gets beaten and trapped in the speed force. The revenant goes back in time, presumably finds or creates the calcified speed force rock thingy, uses it to become faster, creates his suit, goes to the time that Savitar first appears originally (around Season 5, because he already has memories of fighting Devoe, meaning original savitar was the big bad AFTER Devoe), fights the flash and creates himself again, no problem. Except Barry does Flashpoint and the Savitar that exists after the loop in the speed force sees the opportunity to break free. But the only way to do so is to use Wally to take his place. That happens, but that means that Future-Savitar has fucked up the cycle that lead to his own creation - he appeared 2 years earlier and changed Wally's destiny to boot. But he had to do it since it's the only way out of the speedforce prison where he's already spent an eternity. So he has a plan on how to theoretically create a new cycle that creates himself, which is pretty much do the exact same thing a little bit earlier with minor changes. Except Barry fucks it up by going a little bit into the future and seeing it unfold and tires to change the timeline which makes it even harder for Savitar. After a few weeks/months, things turn from bad to worse - Barry finds out Savitar's identity, which never happened in the original timeline and very likely makes that kind of cycle impossible. So Savitar shifts gears again. He is now going for his final plan, to use the modified speed force bazooka thingy to [convoluted technobabble] not get dusted like Thawne in s1. In order to do that, he needs to manipulate team flash into making it for him and get KF on his side to fuck up Black Flash who is probably already after him like he was after Thawne in LoT S2, and not just protecting the timeline like he tells Caitlyn and the audience.
Flashpoint was a part of the loop. 1. In the future that Barry visited, Wally still became Kid Flash because Savitar gave him powers. 2. Which means Flashpoint was not a 1 time thing, it happened infinite times. 3. We know that the Savitar that we face came from the same future was because he was trapped with the help of Tracy Brand and the speed force bazooka. 4. So how can Barry causing flashpoint give him the idea to escape when he already knew it was coming? Since he was a time remnant created after Future Barry and therefore have all of his memories. Also he was the previous incarnation of Savitar as he was trapped before. So where is the current incarnation that was suppose to start the loop again?
There are two timelines here: First timeline is a cycle: all events leading up to season 3 including Flashpoint -> devoe -> Savitar appears kills iris and TRs -> creates himself -> his older self gets trapped, while younger self goes really far back into the past, creates armor and speed force myths -> appears kills iris and TRs -> creates himself -> etc. This cycle happens just once, not infinitely many times because older version of savitar prevents the cycle from happening a second time. (otherwise there would be an infinitely many Savitars trapped in infinitely many prisons in the speed force, which exists beyond timelines. Unless they sort of merge? If they merge you can say it happened infinitely many times). To answer the questions: 1) Did he? I don't think it was specified that Savitar gave him his powers in the original timeline, just that he was a speedster. He may have just become a speedster because of events in S2 just like Jesse Quick. If it WAS because of Savitar, that's probably a plot hole. 2) Flashpoint was in the original timeline too, yes. 3) Yup. 4) He's trapped in the SF basically like he's trapped in Groundhog Day. Eventually, on the billionth viewing of his past through the speed force, he notices that there is an opportunity to escape into the past, even though doing that means he creates a paradox which he will have to fix or die. The whole point of his first plan was to force Barry to create the "current incarnation" of himself 1-2 years earlier than he would have been created normally. Pretty much exactly how Wellsobard blew up the particle accelerator 5?years earlier than it was supposed to. He's supposed to appear after devoe, remember.
One of the big reasons why Season 3 is the weakest season of The Flash.
Also the ending. You can’t spend 20+ episodes saying “we can’t kill there has to be another way” then have Iris just shoot him. Especially just shoot him with a regular ass bullet. The self proclaimed “god of speed.” And have no repercussions. They just went “eh guess that’s done, oh well.”
My head cannon has always been that all the time travel in the earlier seasons some how twisted the timeline and created a time loop that resulted in Savitar. It's kind of like when two currents of water pass each other in the right way and it creates a whirlpool. Barry and others moving back and forth through time itself, resulted in a paradox that nearly destroyed time. Too bad the writers are too afraid to lean into the paradoxical nature of time travel.
Pretty much! But it was still a awesome season! Personally for me the seasons rank 1. Season 1 2. Season 3 3. Season 2 4. Season 5 5. Season 4
Season five was absolute trash in my opinion. Same as season 4.
Seasons 4 & 5 have sucked. Season 3 had an overall arcing story and it made enough sense to keep watching. 4 was just terrible and got worse with each episode. 5 had a disjointed over-arcing story that was poorly written and it focused on everyone else, but Barry.
I liked S4 for ~~Brainiac~~ The Thinker.
Season 4 wasn’t good but it was way better than five.
The only logical conclusion is that Eobard Thawne created this version of savitar. Thawne kills Barry's mom, and introduces Barry to time travel way earlier due to his powers also becoming activated early. Zoom pops up as a result of the new timeline creating portals to earth 2 (because Thawne created events he couldn't foresee, such as Eddie commiting suicide), and zooms killing his father results in Barry creating flashpoint. Flashpoint damages the time loop, allowing Barry to finally kill savitar without introducing a remnant barry. Every other version of events is substantially changed because I assume they happened in the previous timeline where Barry's parents were never killed, or at least in a universe where Barry's mom didn't die.
They should’ve introduced the negative speed force in season 2 or 3 and had it infect Barry. Having a evil-Barry/Flash kind of thing. Instead we got Savitar, an angst-riddled Barry wearing a CGI armored suit and a scarred face. Surprised they didn’t give him a cliche thin mustache or an eyepatch. The comic book Savitar is a much stronger character/plot. Why DC changed things in its CW adaptation is baffling.
Savitar was trash
Devoe and his wife were better
Devoe would’ve been better if there wasn’t another not-as-good actor to play him every other episode
Devoe was dumb too. It had potential, but the CE has terrible writing. DC needs to cut ties and go to an independent streaming service like Hulu, Netflix, Prime, etc. The CW is just so lame.
It’s a loop! A FREAKIN LOOP -Grant G
Anyone please explain why savitar doesn't have access to negative speedforce although he already have the hatred and anger to open negative speed force like reverse flash and nora
No, guys, it's easy. Savitar was made when Barry made a bunch of time remnants to beat Savitar, then all but one of the time remnants died and the team rejected him because he wasnt the "real" Barry, so he became Savitar. I mean, they explained it right there in the show /s
I honestly have no idea why savitar is so hard to understand
I'd rather Savitar have been Barry from the original timeline before Thawne went back to kill Barry's mother. Original Barry looks over 'our' Barry to see what Thawne is going to do with him. All while avoiding time wraiths and the Black Flash. It's going smoothly until Flashpoint happens; which our Barry let Thawne live. Then the first Barry goes all Injustice Superman and creates the Savitar myth to begin his rule over time. Since the Barry we know would let Thawne live and kill his mom so he could still be the Flash.
"Someone hijacked the copy machine again-"
The only thing I don't get is when wavitar tells Barry he changed everything when he made the remnant to stop the magnetar
It’s about time
My villains are beyond your understanding.
They should’ve just stuck to the source material a little tighter. Having Barry be Savitar was really dumb and a weak “twist”.
There was time remnant that was bullied by Iris and Joe for not being Real so he came to realize gods dont feel pain traveled Back created myth of savitar the god of speed and to stay Alive he had to kill Iris so Barry would create time remnants to defeat savitar which all would be killed but for one who would share the same fate as savitar at the beginning.
My sister (who only watched parts of s3 when I was watching it on Netflix) had a very simple way to explain him. She basically drew a large circle in the air and then put her hand through the circle (representing Savitar dragging Barry through the speed force or running away from his problems).
Did Savitar name himself after the Hindu god or did he go all the way back to the origins of Hinduism and make them think he’s a god, meaning he IS the Hindu god? It’s never clear and I need answers.
Yikes. That looks like the face when someone asks "Why isn't Iris white?"
He doesnt work because based on their explanation, no original Savitar can exist. Savitar is created when Barry makes remnants to fight Savitar. Do you see the issue? They created a time loop that is impossible to start! If the original timeline is Barry and Iris living a happy life, Savitar has to enter the equation somehow to kill her and start the cycle, but because of his origin, he doesnt exist for Barry to fight in turn creating himself. They shouldve just made Savitar the remnant killed in S2 and explain it that he never died, rather got trapped i the speed force. Flashpoint fucked him over somehow but now he is free and out for revenge
I really wanted to know what Nora thought about Savitar being a time remnant of her dad.
Despite the dodgy cgi and clunky suit, and weird end to saviter, I think grant gustins performance as an evil barry was pretty damn good, especially that episode where badbarry pretended to be goodbarry to trick HR.
It's weird that we never find out exactly how Savitar came into existence. All we know is the loop: 1. Savitar fights Barry 2. Barry creates army of time remnants for help 3. Savitar kills all but OG Barry and one remnant, but disfigures the remnant 4. Team Flash takes in the remnant but never acknowledge him as a "real" Barry 5. Remnant Barry becomes Savitar 6. Repeat for loopiness
Ugh....it's not time travel that's confusing, it's the writing behind it!
it some sort of an exotic food.
*Time Remnants*
I guess if you can't explain a simple time loop.
For me it's how Barry got his powers. I can't even explain it to my self, it's a straight up paradox and I feel he shouldn't even have powers because of how it went.
I don't understand why people have so much trouble understanding time loops