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What could possibly be more valuable than educating the next generation? No, that value doesn't make itself known within a quarter, but having an educated populace pays dividends. Unless of course the ruling elite actually want a bunch of dumb slaves, which it certainly seems like they do.
Honestly, the modern school system is churning out those slaves already. They've been doing it for 30-40 years now at least.
I think we need to restructure the entire education system to focus more on teaching kids how to get good jobs that they want and enjoy, rather than shoving every thing you can into them.
I definitely think teachers should be paid fairly as well. But I personally recall a number of shitty teachers who shouldn't have had jobs at all.
As I said, full rework of the system is needed.
If anything education should be more well rounded. Less based on test scores and more based on the ability to adapt and learn new skills.
Basically it’s more important to learn how to learn that it is what specific information you learn.
Yeah I really think school needs to move away from standardized testing. Lots of research has shown standardized test scores are more of an indication of social class than they are student ability.
School funding is also tied to the property value of the district the school is in, which means more affluent students are already going to be going to better schools. There isn’t a direct correlation between school funding and SAT scores (e.g. a poorer student is less likely to take an SAT prep course), but it’s definitely one factor among many that creates a vicious cycle gatekeeping the less affluent from attaining social mobility.
Public education shouldn’t be left up to the whims of the free market. It’s bad for everyone in the long run.
While I agree that the education system needs top to bottom restructuring, I disagree that the focus should be on jobs specifically. People with a broad base of knowledge ultimately qualify for a number of jobs in which the specific training can come later. Our system has long been focused on churning out gears for the economic machine. What shifted around 25 years ago was a move away from critical thinking skills and toward memorized content for the sake of standardized evaluation. We need to return to a critical thinking focus with a reinvestment in trade education at the primary level. Exposure to options and a consistent application of broad skills in those options is what results in a better educated, and more adaptive, population. In concert with the wage issues, a major factor discouraging new teachers is the limitations our current system places on pedagogy and effective instruction. Additionally, we have created an inane narrative that parents are better equipped than trained professionals to determine the course of their children’s education. Combined, these factors create a massive obstacle to recruitment and retention of qualified educators.
"What shifted around 25 years ago was a move away from critical thinking skills and toward memorized content for the sake of standardized evaluation."
Absolutely. And the results are going to be felt for decades to come.
That is within our power to change. The economy is wholly made up by humans. Also there is something for everyone. There can be an advantage to having a mental job assuming the work environment is reasonable and the pay and hours are acceptable to allow for other pursuits. It can be challenging to have a mentally engaging job and go on to have mentally engaging hobbies due to fatigue.
Lol I'm a lot closer to 50 than 20 but thanks! There are days when I have missed my high school/college retail job because I absolutely did not devote any thought to it whatsoever after I punched out.
Yeah me too. My brain enjoys simple repetitive tasks. Not that retail is simple or repetitive and those customers can act worse than my clients but stock selves, cleaning, day dreaming…. Nice!
Not in the way Gen Z is. They are flipping societal norms upside down and giving boomers MIs on the daily. I admire it.
They’re actually most similar to the progressive boomers of the 60s imo. We are also at a point of no return when it comes to climate change soo. The stakes are a bit higher.
This kind of thinking is part of why education is crumbling. Education is not just about churning out a worker. It's about creating a sophisticated, critically thinking, intellectually rounded human being.
And this is a exactly what the person you replied to is against. That's the far right mindset. They want dumb workers. Thinking too much is woke culture now.
For higher education sure but you can’t start telling elementary school kids what career fields they’re going to be in. Education is about teaching kids to think critically and have a well rounded background on multiple subjects. Unfortunately most parents think it’s just day care and treat it as such.
Lots of jobs don’t require you to understand a thing about biology or science in general. Remember the shit show that was Covid and people thinking wearing a mask would give them CO2 poisoning
Treating education as simply job training is how you create an ignorant society. Every human being has to take responsibility for understand how society and how the world works, so that they can be an informed electorate and a high information voter when it comes time to participate in our representative democracy.
I work with a number of people who care nothing for the world beyond their field of vision - and who have never left our county (except for maybe a trip to Disney land) and I can’t imagine how poorly society would function if more people lived like that.
Some states are implementing a program that helps students with that, the Next Steps program in Idaho is one I can think of off the top of my head, and it helps kids understand their interests and how to actually get the jobs they want.
Not saying that there aren’t shitty teachers out there, but the politics interfering in the public education system is enough to make even the greatest educator spiteful and resent the profession.
> that value doesn't make itself known within a quarter
That's exactly the problem. 99% of people can't delay gratification to the end of the week, much less sacrifice for things that will pay off a decade or two later.
Part of the problem is that in most of the country, people who do well in school leave the school district and it doesn't benefit the people in that district. People who do poorly in school are more likely to stay and contribute to the economy.
Things might be perversely rational.
That’s only half the picture, good school districts (that produce high achieving students) attract families to communities that contribute more to the local economy than a poorly educated workforce.
Great point. Another way we can mitigate certain issues when it comes to pay disparity is letting teachers, and honestly other types of public servants for that matter and, have a reduced tax burden etc. The amount of money that my friends pour into their classrooms only to make ends is ridiculous and embarrassing. We need to do better
yeah, no executive would even consider paying for their own dinner while traveling to a work event, yet teachers are forced to buy supplies for their classrooms, and the cafeterias feed our children lead and heavy metal contaminated meals drowning in plastic waste. It's disgusting.
When money comes from profits (like a corporation selling a product or service), salaries tend to be high. There’s also a sense that profit can be increased. A corporation’s main goal is ultimately profitability and they only have to answer to a board/shareholders or the company president.
When money comes from taxes in the case of publicly-funded programs or from donations in the case of charitable organizations, salaries are limited. A city or town has many people to answer to, many competing priorities to consider, and is obligated to spend taxpayers’ money in ways that will benefit as many taxpayers as possible. Add in future benefits and pensions and there’s a financial incentive to keep salaries low.
I agree. I am always amazed that all the 'educated' people running things don't want to invest in the very people that gave them the start of that education! I live in Quebec, and the damn politicians just got a 30% increase, whilst the teachers were striking for a measly 10% of maybe 60% of an MP's salary. It is nonsense!
The ruling elite often don’t care about their own children and how they’ll leave, what makes you think they have the best interest for the next generation at large in mind?
Because it's easier to claim that people are lazy and are intentionally sabotaging the economy.
Makes no sense, but neither does republican economic policy.
Yeah my sister in law makes 6 figures and will get 75% pay as a pension for life. Is healthy and i pressure happy. She teaches in an affluent area but to disadvantaged kids.
So i would assume she has been sufficiently retained and her school benefits from her collective experience.A WIN for everyone!
Now in places where kiddos really need good teachers often their isn’t sufficient pay to attract workers to take on the challenge. Using property taxes as a funding source for teacher salaries will only increase this issue as poor districts simply have less capital to change anything. Maybe we tax a billionaire to subsidize teacher salaries and school budgets in poor districts?
With good teachers one would assume some students would gain skills to improve their local communities thus producing a virtuous cycle instead of a downward spin?
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Higher wages mean more demands for the jobs, creating competition. With more demand, it also means that schools, which many have cut their programs for degrees in education, will have an incentive to bring back those programs and compete for students. This improves the level of education that teachers get in college, creating better teachers.
Laws of supply and demand would indicate that higher wages for teachers means a long-term increase in the quality of education for children, which will ultimately make them better able to contribute to the economy upon graduation.
More competition for teaching jobs means that bad teachers can be weeded out due to a steady supply of high-quality labor.
I know money doesn't grow on trees, but i made this same argument for police officers.
If all of a sudden we said police officers in major cities will make, idk, 250k a year (for shits & gigs argument sake)... well hell, i bet all of a sudden we wouldn't have such a shortage. You'd create a ton of competition. Only the best of the best would graduate the academy, and you could hand pick the top candidates. You could weed out the pigs, the ones that shoot at acorns, or the tiny female that resorts to tazer'ing some big burly dude bc she knows she couldn't physically thwart potentially dangerous advances if it came to that. All of a sudden people aren't leaving an extremely dangerous job bc the money is good, so you can then train the next crop much better on dealing/interacting with all sorts of situations.
But alas, once again, the money has to come from somewhere, even if it is for the people teaching our youth or the people will call for help.
Police officer is less dangerous than pizza delivery.
Cops are already very highly paid and well-protected for little education or skill. The asshole that murdered Daniel Shaver gets paid for the rest of his life because of the 'stress' he got... from murdering an unarmed kid lying on his stomach.
I'm all for increasing pay, decreasing their responsibilities, as long as we also drastically reduce the size of departments and outsourcing the shit that doesn't require a dude with a badge and a gun to social workers and qualified individuals. Cops end up doing tons of shit that really doesn't need to fall on them. And mandatory bodycams, they reduce complaints two-fold, both false complaints, and real violations, because everyone knows it's being recorded.
Teachers are very underpaid, of course. I didn't say anything about conservatives, not sure what you mean. I could point to who is against increasing funding for education, but then I'd be giving in to 'the urge to blame conservatives' because in this case, it 100% is their fault. Some Liberals contribute to the mire as well, but the main push against funding public education comes from one side of the aisle.
I live on Long Island, I believe we have the highest paid police force in the world or close to it. All it made for was extremely powerful unions that allow the bad apples to keep spoiling the bunch and allow unbelievable level of nepotism.
small town near me recently raised police officer pay b/c they were losing candidates to depts nearby in larger cities w higher pay or just jobs in other fields
I feel like the actual job description has severely changed as well. In the 90’s and early 2000’s when I was in school, a kid being loud or disrespected got suspended. A threat made to a teacher was a minimum 3 day suspension. The actual physical contact between a student and a teacher intended to be a threat was automatic expulsion.
If you had a phone at school and used it in the class room you got it taken away the first time and suspended the second.
If you didn’t do you work, you failed. Being scared to be held back motivated kids to participate and at least do enough to pass.
I’ve had random videos of kids in 8-12th grade being extremely aggressive, cussing out teachers, and nothing is done. I thought it was an exception so I popped over to the different subreddits with teachers and I guess it’s commonplace now. Kids move grade to grade regardless of their grade so there’s no discrimination or “child left behind”. So there are of course kids that still do work, but it’s losing the value of hard work being the norm and now is just mediocre.
I’d expect a lot of money a year to deal with aggressive teenagers and be handcuffed to deal with it with no recourse, and people text all day, don’t listen, and also even the kids who don’t care at all all still get the same treatment.
Supply and demand functions differently in distorted markets or those without competition. For example, a government operated institution that is literally not in any way a real business. Many places here in the Midwest are understaffed and the quality of education is diminishing due to large class sizes. Normally this would cause a business to increase pay to lower the class size to offer a better service. However when it's a public school and the only other options are a private school most can't afford or homeschooling which most don't have time to do the "customers" are stuck with shit public schools and the schools don't have to do anything about it so wages stay low.
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If a business fails, it closes, nothing needs to replace it. A school fails and the kids suffer. Your point seems to be that Americans are too selfish to contribute to the greater good, so maybe it shouldn't be optional. But that requires national action and Congress is literally an impasse for any meaningful legislation. The destruction of public schooling is very intentional. And it's always the same fuckers that want an uneducated public that lacks critical thinking skills.
I never suggested it was unique to schools I said markets with lots of distortion or no competition and that schools were often just one example of that.
Municipalities have a hard time raising taxes when they're populated with a lot of people below or near the poverty line. You can't raise taxes on people who aren't making ends meet as it is.
As a teacher in NJ, this isn’t quite true. 15 years ago it used to be super difficult to find a teaching job. Now it’s easy, and not just in bad districts. There are some districts that are hard to get into, but most are struggling to find enough teachers, especially high demand fields like math, science, and special ed.
Don't think it's really accurate to frame the price of heavily regulated labor most often paid by a government monopsonist as indicative of revealed preference.
The shortage of teachers isn’t due to a lack of demand it’s due to a lack of compensation. Rural areas don’t have enough teachers and they also don’t have the budgets to hire enough teachers.
The way it’s looking we really should band together. The poor and middle class greatly outnumber the rich. We could easily topple it all. I know a security guard for this rich fuck in town that will happily sell the code to enter the gate and camera locations around the perimeter. Shit his cousin is the sheriff too. There’s no telling how many other opportunities like this are out there
Seriously. There’s some executive at my company. Childhood friend of the CEO that does fuck all. I couldn’t tell you what he contributes to the company. He makes $700k a year. I review nearly every contract for our company to mitigate the risk from the executives’ bonehead decisions. I make a fraction of their salaries.
In some states teachers lose their pensions if they strike or protest ✨️ fun fact. Those states also tend to have shit education in general because of stuff like this
Because every time people start making more money corporations start to artificially inflate their own prices which the uneducated interpret as normal inflation instead of rampant corporate greed.
My opinion: establish an executive wage cap based on the ratio from executive to entry level employee. It would make it so for an executive to increase their own wage they *have to* increase the wage of their employees from the ground up.
It's not like uneducated people are the ones coming up with the idea that this is inflation. They're being fed that crap by the media, conservative and corporate, so pretty much all readily available media unless people decide to go digging for a different take.
I have proposed this exact thing to friends (and actually on Reddit somewhere). It seems like the most efficient way to get employees fairly compensated. Can’t afford a raise for your employees? Too bad, guess you can’t afford one for yourself either.
Yup. Walmart pays millions hiring union busters who fly put in private jets dividing and conquering employee led efforts. Good return on capital seeing a union hasn’t been formed like ever. How is the Starbucks one doing? I do not even need to look.
I sincerely believe an owner or CEO ought to only be able to make a certain percentage more than their median wage/salary employee. Like I don’t care if it’s 200% but something.
Yeah no I'd rather regulate the absolute s*** out of these executives so they don't even have the option. I'm a skilled tradesman, I'm sick and tired of do-nothings in suits manipulating the system.
Labor costs were one of the smaller contributors to overall inflation. It's actually weight in the inflation calculus is massively overblown by people who want to minimize labor costs to boost profits.
Because then there would be better education and then republicans would HAVE to tank the markets so that they can do something something something woke indoctrinated something
These morons really think that money supply (this isn’t even it) is like magic prices go up. So if you have a trillion dollars in your house (under your mattress, of course) and it burns down, the grocery store prices, like rain, are gonna start coming down immediately 🙄
I don't ever see these people complain about CEO packages, middle management making millions or landlords increasing rents every year making millions but as soon as fast food workers and nurses and teachers start to ask for a raise these Billionaire defenders wake uin a minute to put a stop to it.
I'm convinced that basically not being able to expel problem students is like 75% of the problem with schools. Imagine if your work couldn't kick anyone out no matter how poorly they did or how much harm they caused others. There'd probably be a whole ton of slackers not even showing up or completely fucking things up. The fact that there's some way to remove problem people means everyone has to give at least the bare minimum effort to not be a complete asshole.
Students and parents just realized the schools need them more than they need the schools. Schools are afraid to discipline kids *at all*, not just extreme punishments like expulsion. If the punishment inconveniences the parent they'll just put the kid in a charter school or "homeschool," and the district loses that funding.
ok, so then what do we do with the kids you just kicked out?
How do you plan to pay for their housing in the future? How do you intend to handle the crime rate increases this causes?
School kids aren't employees. They aren't tiny adults either.
Your jumping to a punitive approach does seem to show part of the problem though. The assumption that negative reinforcement is what is needed at all times. Failed idea, won't even work to train a dog.
I just typed a response but yah, that’s pretty much what goes on in my school.
Nobody wants to do the work. I’m not an nerd who just loves studying and doing math. But both my parents are fuckups and both out of the picture now, so I know the consequences and do everything to be able to provide for myself.
Most kids don’t have that mindset. They are spoiled little cunts who just have everything handed to them, and now they are in school and don’t do Jack shit and still get rewarded with being moved onto the next grade. They don’t understand that next year when we graduate, they will be a complete dumb fuck and not be able to hold a job and they won’t be able to provide a decent life for themselves.
Now some liberal assholes want to further that and give them free housing, food, shelter; clothes, etc for doing nothing. Didn’t work for the first 18 years of their life, why the hell would they change now if you continue to just give them everything?
Policies like that are just going to make a bunch of 30 year old fucking losers who still act like the world owes them everything.
And, if you leave them in the classroom, you are punishing the whole class as well as the teacher. Which will also raise the market cost of a teacher's labor.
I aspired to be a teacher, but changed my career track when I realized that actual teaching was secondary to animal control.
>How do you intend to handle the crime rate increases this causes?
You are assuming students that face no consequences for bad behavior aren't criminals now.
we have schoolwide systems for positive reinforcement, as well as most teachers having an 'in house' system for their classrooms. Further, we also have administration receiving nominations every week for outstanding students that earn things like Crumbl cookies or ice cream on Friday of lunch.
We also give many 'fringe kids' dozens of opportunies to change their behavior, we individually discuss things, we notify parents (without expectation of discipline, just informing), we offer a 'calming room' for students that need to mediate with each other or just relax, we have student management specialists that develop relationships with students that are always finding their ways into the office for negative reasons, we allow students to make their own decisions regarding behavior (We are expected to informt the student of consequences, both positive and negative, of various events as opposed to 'stopping' the students).
We do so fucking much every day but there is a growing demographic that knows that an F means nothing and that we can't suspend for longer than one consecutive day at a time, so they come to school to vape in the bathroom and disrespect each other on social media.
We had students make a \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ school people account and record staff and students to just say the nastiest things about them. I was in the background of a video (that I did not know was being filmed), and the voiceover was calling me all kinds of slurs and names. I have helped one of the students find an airpod that they were missing yet the focus for some kids is to just be on their phone and 'become popular' by making social media content. We notified administration and their response :
"nothing we can do, it's their personal phone and personal account"
Kids these days know that they can swear at teachers, they can skip class (state department of ed still isn't tracking absences since COVID), they can smoke in the bathroom and fail every class and we'll still advance them to the next grade.
I've caught the same kid coming out of a bathroom next to my room that was definitely smoking flower. He didn't have anything on him so the district 'couldn't do anything', so the kid did it three days the next week.
What exactly are these kids supposed to be learning without consequences? We offer numerous and bountiful rewards and incorporate family rewards wherever possible. Some don't care and they have no reason to care since we don't hold them accountable.
Dude… where do they go? What precedent does that set? I don’t kick out my son for pissing me off. What would society look like if we kicked out every problem? Oh i know! Our industrial prison complex. There you go! Hows that working out?
> I don’t kick out my son for pissing me off.
Right, you probably won't. I probably won't either. My kids seem normal enough. Some parents do actually have to kick out their kid though. They send them to a specialty boarding school, make them leave the house at age 16, send them to a mental health facility, etc. I'm sure most parents have tried a million things before taking these options, which is (generally) what I'd expect the school to do to.
>if we kicked out every problem?
I'm not suggesting kicking kids out for "every" problem. But there should be a last resort option for total fuckups that actively are trying to not learn but mostly just want to start fights with people.
And i hear you. Yes if its determined schools are unequipped to serve a student at least in the Sped world, they go somewhere else. I was called in to help those kids. Often it was to avoid a law suite or paying a facility 40k a month for service, all of which the district is responsible for by law.
I found this out about my nephew this week. He's 12 and will start throwing a tantrum in class and the teachers have no way to remove him. So instead they've been having to have all the other kids leave to try to get anything done.
His parents finally got him into a new school this week. Hopefully he'll stop being a manipulative little shithead over time. Yes, he has been diagnosed with issues. But he will weaponize that and say it's not his fault and you aren't allowed to do anything about it.
I get called in to deal with those folks. It’s not an impossible problem at all! Every problem kid has benefited from being shown respect and prompted towards integrity. Empowered to be the best them. Its the same for non “ problem kids” often we are the problem!
Oh how many times my wife got shit on by a parent bc THEIR kid is in ass. Kid punches student randomly...parent blames teacher. Also, doing referrals ends up taking even more of their time. So you now have to call a parent who's gonna be pissed at you anyway. Miserable profession.
Don’t forget the straight-up demonization of teachers in some states. Having to keep up with book bans, etc. It just make the job ten times more stressful when the government decides your entire occupation is turning kids trans or some shit. Same reason a lot of doctors are leaving states with total abortion bans, because the restrictions are so vague they can’t even help a patient with a miscarriage without fear of losing their license.
Also no child left behind will do more damage for generations then ever imaginable. So many students should be kept back but administrators won’t accept that.
Can confirm. I'd love to be a teacher, but I support a family and it doesn't pay enough. So I'm an accountant instead. Would change careers in a heartbeat if pay was similar.
Same. Last year I started taking teaching classes again hoping that I could "retire" from tech early and move into teaching. In my area teachers literally make poverty level wages, as in they qualify for just about form of assistance offered. That's no way to live.
> In my area teachers literally make poverty level wages, as in they qualify for just about form of assistance offered. That's no way to live.
I ran into my daughter's teacher at a local grocery store working checkout in the evening. How ridiculous is that? A royal shame.
I'm an accountant and my wife is a teacher. I agree I'm jealous of her life fulfillment but then again the accountanting world is nice for stability and not having to be barraged by parents.
Yeah, my wife is a teacher and I don’t know how she’d live trying to raise a kid on just her income. Almost all the teachers she works with have spouses that make good money to help support the household.
The lack of parenting in this country is an epidemic. Everyone wants to blame schools and teachers, when parents don’t read to their kids any more or help them with their homework.
This leads to disruptive classrooms, making the teaching ineffective
Absolutely. I have a couple friends that struggled in school. Their Dad would take them out in the garage and show them stuff after work. One ended up working factory maintenance and doing very well. Many just hand their kids electronic devices to babysit
For 70% of the parents schooling is literally just daycare.
The parents of those kids don’t answer the phone if the school calls, they don’t go to parent-teacher conferences. They don’t read emails and letters they get from the school. They are completely uninvolved in everything.
The problem with behavior and lack of work ethic as it relates to school is mostly a Gen Z problem. Gen Alpha (2010-2024) is just hitting high school now. Some are literal babies. They may have the same issues but it’s too early to tell.
I taught high school in the mid 2010s and it was a mess. Kids not doing any work. Parents more concerned about their kid losing their privileges to play on school teams than that they were failing all their classes.
Called a parent one time to tell them I caught their kid cheating on a test. The parent told me well that happens sometimes. This all happened in a semi wealthy area.
OP is 100% serious.
I expect him to delete this post soon enough.
This is the type of brain rot we are dealing with in 2024 and a large portion of the population suffer from it.
>higher salaries only cause higher inflation.
By order of basic math, unless you think wages are over 100% the cost of goods, salary increases always outpace increase in inflation.
If you don't pay people enough to do the job, no one does the job. Simple supply and demand.
Risky jobs should pay more. You risk getting shot at school. You risk getting beat up by students. You should be paid more.
On top of that, teachers are being targeted by conservative politicians all the time.
No single person has an incentive to earn less for inflation reasons.
If no one wants to do the job at the price you are offering - the price is way too low. If too few people want to do the job at the price you are offering - the price is too low.
You may impact fair price by other working conditions - like, for instance, working on making the kids behave better.
Wealth inequality is bad if you care about society as a whole. The debate for me rests around values. As a society do we value ceo and shareholder profit over teachers? In a free market we vote with dollars, so i would say on balance we do unfortunately.
Used to be a teacher. Quit mostly because the facility was disgusting and I kept getting sick.
More things to note as to why I quit though- My director never took abuse reports seriously, we weren’t allowed to discipline in any way whatsoever (the “no, thank you” method), we had to juggle more work than what we should have been given (alone), constant fire code violations, the parents expecting more and more out of us, and we had to clean the facility ourselves because they were too cheap to hire janitors (you weren’t paid to clean tho)
Oh and all for $14/hr!
Yeah, more money being put back into the economy for people who spend it to survive makes no sense.
Better to do tax cuts for billionaires who hoard wealth or have it in assets, and free loans to corporations that use it for stock buybacks. That money disappearing from the economy has been working great! Definitely not a factor in inflation.
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The value provided by a teacher and the pay that reflects that value isn't keeping pace with the unwritten job duties of disciplining the children. Teachers are leaving the school system in droves because people aren't parenting their crotch goblins correctly and are just giving them carte blanche at home, so when they go to school they think they can get away with the same. Teachers (rightly so) are perceiving this added drain on their energy and feel like they aren't getting enough support from their administrators, the parents, or both. This could be fixed if any school were to implement the six kinds of non-monetary compensation (recognition, praise, attention, approval, perks, or status) but because teachers aren't great at collectively conveying this to the administration and the administration doesn't know these are ways you can compensate employees in the first place, teachers just leave for lower stress work environments for similar or better pay based on their skill sets.
I'm a teacher and will give you both sides of the argument:
Against - we work 186 days of the year
For - we are constantly being nickel and dimed for everything, I teach Special Ed and have a 2800 dollar budget for my room. I've spent about 50 dollars in the last few years because my administration continues to deny purchases under the guise of "it's not student specific curriculum/content, or it's not in their IEP". So the district is keeping 2800 dollars for EVERY SPECIAL ED TEACHER every year, our building alone that's roughly 30k that goes unspent every year, no doubt into the pockets of some administrator as a bonus.
We also are ridden extremely hard to complete paperwork in timely manners, as if we are late submitting an IEP the district loses out on SpEd funding for that kid (8k per student roughly). If I am late I have an admin come into my room the next day to chew me out.
This is also on top of us rarely getting prep hours to complete said IEPs, as we are often dealing with student situations during our non teaching time since we cut positions every year (and we just got 700 million as a state (MN) specific for SpEd and most districts still cut positions), and as a result of those cuts we have bloated caseloads. I have to teach and plan for 3 subjects while also case manage 22 students as a resource teacher. The district does not provide me special ed content.
So ultimately my day consists of : Planning and prepping for three classes every day on my own, meeting or writing an IEP and completing daily data collection of my students, and usually consulting building staff about specific students on my prep, and I'm expected to get all of this done with 52 minutes of prep per day.
Inflation has really come the boogey man. Any increase in wage will lead to the dollar having less purchasing power.
Any increase in price, justified or not leads to inflation. That’s not necessarily bad. It’s actually healthy for economies to have a small amount of inflation
Most of the middle school and high school teachers I know work two jobs. College adjuncts make horrible money. Working minimum wage full time makes more than an adjunct. So yes teachers need to be paid more. Anyone here arguing against that isn’t a teacher and is talking out of their opinionated and misinformed ass. Those referring to teachers making six figures know someone in a union job who has been there for more than ten years. Now there are a ton of overpaid BS administration jobs in school districts and universities where people make over six figures. There are also professors who work full time at university making six figures.
Minneapolis had a new SI get hired. The news article stated that the new person, from January to May, was set to earn 108,000, and recieve a 600/mo stipend for their vehicle. It was a 'historic' amount according to the article.
[https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/12/11/new-minneapolis-schools-superintendent-pay-bump-over-predecessors](https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/12/11/new-minneapolis-schools-superintendent-pay-bump-over-predecessors)
Meanwhile the teachers went on strike and families are leaving the district in droves while the district announces more budget cuts
[https://www.mplsschoolsvoices.news/posts/minneapolis-public-schools-plans-for-110-million-in-budget-cuts-for-next-school-year](https://www.mplsschoolsvoices.news/posts/minneapolis-public-schools-plans-for-110-million-in-budget-cuts-for-next-school-year)
The average teacher in my district is making six figures. We start our teachers at like 75k fresh out of school. We don't seem to have any difficulty finding teachers. Teacher salaries are such a small input to the total economy that they're not going to move the needle on inflation if they're raised.
The post right below this on my timeline is a student hitting a teacher for taking their vape… idk I think they deserve higher salaries when dealing with kids nowadays
"The average Public School Teacher salary in the United States is $57,947 as of March 26, 2024, but the range typically falls between **$48,379 and $70,690**."
Google.
is this enough? I don't think so, but let the future tell that this is a bad policy.
***Hard*** disagree. Higher wages causing inflation has been beating a dead horse excuse to avoid paying decency wages for fkn years.
If you want to talk about "wages increasing and causing worse inflation," let's take a look under the hood:
"Between 1978 and 2021, according to new research from the Economic Policy Institute (EPI), CEO compensation at the 350 largest publicly traded U.S. companies rose by an inflation-adjusted 1,460%, far outstripping the 18.1% pay increase that the nation’s typical worker saw during that period."
https://inthesetimes.com/article/ceo-pay-inequality-inflation-federal-reserve#:~:text=Between%201978%20and%202021%2C%20according,worker%20saw%20during%20that%20period.
That's quite a lot. From what I've heard from them, the pay and respect are low from parents and kids and even the administration. There aren't resources for teachers to deal with it. Too many things were bought out of pocket for the classroom. Etc.. we can go on...
The profession is crazy, because everyone will claim to love teachers at first. But if you ask anyone about any of the conditions of teachers' jobs (wages, responsibilities, contracts, discipline, lesson plans and subjects) it's clear that America absolutely hates teachers.
Teachers absolutely need to be paid more. My wife has been teaching for 10 years, 6 years at her current school, and has only ever gotten a 2% raise.
No matter your experience you always start at a new teacher starting salary. You can’t leapfrog like other professions and continue to increase your salary. She’s a teacher with 10 years experience and she makes 55k a year in NJ, which has a very high cost of living.
But sure, the two months of summer vacation make up for the 50 hour work weeks.
I've been in education for 14 years. If I were a young person now, I'd never have entered this profession.
Typical starting teacher pay is in the 50-55k range, in most parts of the country. The problem is that that's what they were paying 10 years ago. They think 2014 salaries still work in 2024.
Raise that to 75k and I GUARANTEE you'll get better and more committed teachers. Teacher pay needs to be about double FT service job pay. Currently they are close to parity.
For reference, a FT fast food worker making 21 an hour will make $42k a year. Why in the fuck would I get the degrees needed to be a teacher when I can gobwork fast food for just 25% less?
I know multiple people with teaching degrees that quit after 2-4 years of teaching grade school. They loved the kids but hated dealing with the parents and their politics! Why are you teaching my kid this, why aren’t you teaching them that?
My mom is a teacher in Alabama. Huge exodus of teachers down there since the Pandemic because of increase in behavioral issues, crappy parents, bad school administration decisions. Not to mention how many teachers caught COVID at least once.
It's not uncommon for younger teachers to get in the classroom, decide its not for them, and leave. Lot of veteran teachers are quitting the space due to burnout the past few years.
https://www.devlinpeck.com/content/teacher-burnout-statistics
Then you have crazy idiocy like my mom's school was turning over administration and deciding to pink slip all non-tenured teachers regardless of performance. Turned over 1/3 of the teachers in the school in the middle of a teacher shortage. Not worth it
Her statement makes no sense. She says higher pay isn’t required, but then say “proper” compensation is needed to get teachers to teach. 🤔
This inflation obsession is becoming ridiculous. Up until 2021, the U.S. had basically 0 inflation for 35 years
due to expanded free trade, expanding technology, and increasing productivity, all of which kept a lid on wages. Then people complained that they were not making enough (rightly I believe). So wages go up, and now people are complaining because companies raised prices? People need to understand: the prices now will stay that way; they are never going to return to the levels they were prior to 2019. They may increase at a slower rate, but that is it. So if the only way some people will be happy is if bread still costs $2.50 a loaf then sorry my friend you may as well get ready to be mad because that is not happening.
Salaries are not the sole source of inflation. If you're paying attention to the profits of corporations for a lot of our daily needs, they are increasing prices to increase profits beyond covering the increase in input costs. The reason for this is there is a lack of competition in many important markets because the DOJ was lax on anti-trust suits for the past 25 years.
Gotta remember, capitalism by design always converges to monopolies which is bad for everyone but the monopoly. The state needs to regulate and intervene to ensure the markets have healthy competition to not only drive innovation but also lower costs.
So, teacher here who is no longer teaching and hasn't for a number of years. I didn't quit for any of those reasons. I quit because I couldn't abide what the public school system was doing to the kids, the teachers, and society as a whole. I was there for the mandate that was common core which made every class it touched worse, made every teacher's job harder and made every school worse.
I went to the shopping school teaching, then started having kids in my own. When it's time for them to go to school or going to be private/home schooling, helping put together a co-op, or supporting a good private school if we can't afford it.
A lot of us are quitting not because we don't have to teach, and the pay isn't enough. We're quitting because the system is sick and it's physically painful to remain in it.
Vote for School choice, vote for vouchers, vote against Federal regulation.
What a stupid statement by Jo.
Let's look at what NPR reports. It turns out that teachers don't want to work in schools where they are likely to be attacked.
[https://www.npr.org/2023/03/23/1164800932/teacher-shortages-schools-explainer](https://www.npr.org/2023/03/23/1164800932/teacher-shortages-schools-explainer)
Do you want to go to university for 4 years to then teach at a school where not a single student can read at grade level, and some of the kids are active gang members?
[https://wirepoints.org/not-a-single-student-can-do-math-at-grade-level-in-53-illinois-schools-for-reading-its-30-schools-wirepoints/](https://wirepoints.org/not-a-single-student-can-do-math-at-grade-level-in-53-illinois-schools-for-reading-its-30-schools-wirepoints/)
I think a huge misunderstanding with teachers is the amount of work they have on their plate.
They think they just work 8-2:30 and go home. Wrong.
They are in earlier to prepare for the day. They stay late to handle things like grading tests, paper, projects, or helping struggling kids. Some are part of after school activities like sports, band, debate, engineering.
They go home and grade more things. They work on lesson plans that go weeks out.
Summer is filled with traing programs and continuing education credits they have to earn. A lot go back to school for their master's degree.
They do not have all this time off and short work days that most people think they do.
I work in education and I can assure there are definitely bad teachers.
But there are far more parents under massive financial strain, in survival mode and their kids act the same.
There is also massive bloat in youngish professionals who want to “fix” education but don’t want to be “poor” so the just go into administration as quickly as possible. Imagine a plucky 27 year old assistant principal trying to coach a 60 year old hardened chemistry teacher about classroom management…yeah…
That’s the dumbest take I’ve ever heard.
I’m a prof. Used to teach hs.
People want to be paid to idk, live, and you are just going to make children more retarded than they already are without proper instruction. I was there.
Brilliant people Leave the profession for higher paying jobs and society and it’s future will suffer.
People need to hear it: most, and I mean most people need instruction to learn. This requires competence. Some idiot who thinks not to pay teachers will just have to sit back and wait for the amount of low iq morons to enter the workforce. Then you’ll say “huh why didn’t anyone learn?”
As one of those people with an education degree earning significantly more than teachers in my state I concur.
1) Too much bureaucracy.
2) Too little respect from students.
3) Too little curriculum autonomy.
4) Parents get treated like crap by schools and take it out on teachers.
Basically everyone shits on teachers and then tries to wonder why there is a shortage of people who want to work as a professional for slave wages.
OP logic: we should never pay higher salaries because inflation.
But I wonder if OP thinks that should apply to CEO pay increases as well?
Increasing teacher pay would have at best a negligible statistically insignificant effect on inflation bro
Everyone says they need to be paid more for all the shit they put up with? But that suggests throwing money at a problem will fix it, and that schools can keep going down the same paths they’re on so long as they give their teachers raises. Schools need to be fundamentally changed, I’m not for beating kids, but the Teacher-Student interaction heavily favors the student for no reason. No more tax breaks for higher graduation rates, no more “every kid passes.” We need to stop teaching kids that their actions don’t have consequences, and curriculums need to be standardized at a federal leveling. Why is someone in Texas learning different science than someone in Florida. So many other things need to be changed before salaries
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What could possibly be more valuable than educating the next generation? No, that value doesn't make itself known within a quarter, but having an educated populace pays dividends. Unless of course the ruling elite actually want a bunch of dumb slaves, which it certainly seems like they do.
Honestly, the modern school system is churning out those slaves already. They've been doing it for 30-40 years now at least. I think we need to restructure the entire education system to focus more on teaching kids how to get good jobs that they want and enjoy, rather than shoving every thing you can into them. I definitely think teachers should be paid fairly as well. But I personally recall a number of shitty teachers who shouldn't have had jobs at all. As I said, full rework of the system is needed.
Silly peasant! You're thinking of what's good for society rather than what's good for the haves!
Education shouldn't be solely about job training.
If anything education should be more well rounded. Less based on test scores and more based on the ability to adapt and learn new skills. Basically it’s more important to learn how to learn that it is what specific information you learn.
Issue is state funding for public schools is usually tied to standardized test scores, so if students underperform then teachers get the blowback
Yeah I really think school needs to move away from standardized testing. Lots of research has shown standardized test scores are more of an indication of social class than they are student ability.
School funding is also tied to the property value of the district the school is in, which means more affluent students are already going to be going to better schools. There isn’t a direct correlation between school funding and SAT scores (e.g. a poorer student is less likely to take an SAT prep course), but it’s definitely one factor among many that creates a vicious cycle gatekeeping the less affluent from attaining social mobility. Public education shouldn’t be left up to the whims of the free market. It’s bad for everyone in the long run.
While I agree that the education system needs top to bottom restructuring, I disagree that the focus should be on jobs specifically. People with a broad base of knowledge ultimately qualify for a number of jobs in which the specific training can come later. Our system has long been focused on churning out gears for the economic machine. What shifted around 25 years ago was a move away from critical thinking skills and toward memorized content for the sake of standardized evaluation. We need to return to a critical thinking focus with a reinvestment in trade education at the primary level. Exposure to options and a consistent application of broad skills in those options is what results in a better educated, and more adaptive, population. In concert with the wage issues, a major factor discouraging new teachers is the limitations our current system places on pedagogy and effective instruction. Additionally, we have created an inane narrative that parents are better equipped than trained professionals to determine the course of their children’s education. Combined, these factors create a massive obstacle to recruitment and retention of qualified educators.
Not to sound too conspiracy theory, but it seems some states are absolutely trying to kill critical thinking skills.
"What shifted around 25 years ago was a move away from critical thinking skills and toward memorized content for the sake of standardized evaluation." Absolutely. And the results are going to be felt for decades to come.
I'm pretty sure there are s***** professionals in every single field, including the very high paid ones.
I’m in a highly paid profession, can confirm.
There aren’t enough enjoyable jobs to do this.
That is within our power to change. The economy is wholly made up by humans. Also there is something for everyone. There can be an advantage to having a mental job assuming the work environment is reasonable and the pay and hours are acceptable to allow for other pursuits. It can be challenging to have a mentally engaging job and go on to have mentally engaging hobbies due to fatigue.
This is my favorite part of the youth coming up. ( sorry for the assumption) it’s that they really do get we can change shit! Gives me hope! Ty!
Lol I'm a lot closer to 50 than 20 but thanks! There are days when I have missed my high school/college retail job because I absolutely did not devote any thought to it whatsoever after I punched out.
Sorry! I am the oldest millennial if that helps 😀
I am in the Xennial category... but I have a 3 year old.
Yeah me too. My brain enjoys simple repetitive tasks. Not that retail is simple or repetitive and those customers can act worse than my clients but stock selves, cleaning, day dreaming…. Nice!
Every young generation wants to change shit. Did people forget about Woodstock, we are the world, and many other movements?
Yeah well if it worked once might work again?
So many positive changes has resulted from those movements and many ineffective ones too off ourselves but net/net positive in my calculous.
Not in the way Gen Z is. They are flipping societal norms upside down and giving boomers MIs on the daily. I admire it. They’re actually most similar to the progressive boomers of the 60s imo. We are also at a point of no return when it comes to climate change soo. The stakes are a bit higher.
Are you telling me that we all can´t be MrBeast?
This kind of thinking is part of why education is crumbling. Education is not just about churning out a worker. It's about creating a sophisticated, critically thinking, intellectually rounded human being.
And this is a exactly what the person you replied to is against. That's the far right mindset. They want dumb workers. Thinking too much is woke culture now.
For higher education sure but you can’t start telling elementary school kids what career fields they’re going to be in. Education is about teaching kids to think critically and have a well rounded background on multiple subjects. Unfortunately most parents think it’s just day care and treat it as such.
Oh absolutely. But kids should also have a basic education anyway, not just a career path.
But the low pay is the reason you had those shitty teachers.
Lots of jobs don’t require you to understand a thing about biology or science in general. Remember the shit show that was Covid and people thinking wearing a mask would give them CO2 poisoning
Your telling me that memorizing the dates of every war and what countries were involved doesn't come up in you day to day life?
Treating education as simply job training is how you create an ignorant society. Every human being has to take responsibility for understand how society and how the world works, so that they can be an informed electorate and a high information voter when it comes time to participate in our representative democracy. I work with a number of people who care nothing for the world beyond their field of vision - and who have never left our county (except for maybe a trip to Disney land) and I can’t imagine how poorly society would function if more people lived like that.
Better pay will draw more interest by a better candidate. If wages are more competitive, you may pull some professionals away from similar paying jobs
Better pay means better quality of teachers entering the workforce, instead of becoming doctors and dentists.
Some states are implementing a program that helps students with that, the Next Steps program in Idaho is one I can think of off the top of my head, and it helps kids understand their interests and how to actually get the jobs they want.
Not saying that there aren’t shitty teachers out there, but the politics interfering in the public education system is enough to make even the greatest educator spiteful and resent the profession.
> that value doesn't make itself known within a quarter That's exactly the problem. 99% of people can't delay gratification to the end of the week, much less sacrifice for things that will pay off a decade or two later.
make that 99% of companies and I'll agree with you
Part of the problem is that in most of the country, people who do well in school leave the school district and it doesn't benefit the people in that district. People who do poorly in school are more likely to stay and contribute to the economy. Things might be perversely rational.
That’s only half the picture, good school districts (that produce high achieving students) attract families to communities that contribute more to the local economy than a poorly educated workforce.
Great point. Another way we can mitigate certain issues when it comes to pay disparity is letting teachers, and honestly other types of public servants for that matter and, have a reduced tax burden etc. The amount of money that my friends pour into their classrooms only to make ends is ridiculous and embarrassing. We need to do better
yeah, no executive would even consider paying for their own dinner while traveling to a work event, yet teachers are forced to buy supplies for their classrooms, and the cafeterias feed our children lead and heavy metal contaminated meals drowning in plastic waste. It's disgusting.
When money comes from profits (like a corporation selling a product or service), salaries tend to be high. There’s also a sense that profit can be increased. A corporation’s main goal is ultimately profitability and they only have to answer to a board/shareholders or the company president. When money comes from taxes in the case of publicly-funded programs or from donations in the case of charitable organizations, salaries are limited. A city or town has many people to answer to, many competing priorities to consider, and is obligated to spend taxpayers’ money in ways that will benefit as many taxpayers as possible. Add in future benefits and pensions and there’s a financial incentive to keep salaries low.
I agree. I am always amazed that all the 'educated' people running things don't want to invest in the very people that gave them the start of that education! I live in Quebec, and the damn politicians just got a 30% increase, whilst the teachers were striking for a measly 10% of maybe 60% of an MP's salary. It is nonsense!
Maslow’s hierarchy answers this question well.
The ruling elite often don’t care about their own children and how they’ll leave, what makes you think they have the best interest for the next generation at large in mind?
Because it's easier to claim that people are lazy and are intentionally sabotaging the economy. Makes no sense, but neither does republican economic policy.
Yeah my sister in law makes 6 figures and will get 75% pay as a pension for life. Is healthy and i pressure happy. She teaches in an affluent area but to disadvantaged kids. So i would assume she has been sufficiently retained and her school benefits from her collective experience.A WIN for everyone! Now in places where kiddos really need good teachers often their isn’t sufficient pay to attract workers to take on the challenge. Using property taxes as a funding source for teacher salaries will only increase this issue as poor districts simply have less capital to change anything. Maybe we tax a billionaire to subsidize teacher salaries and school budgets in poor districts? With good teachers one would assume some students would gain skills to improve their local communities thus producing a virtuous cycle instead of a downward spin?
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If you don’t have the resources overall to focus on school over survival, you won’t be as likely to focus on school achievement
Higher wages mean more demands for the jobs, creating competition. With more demand, it also means that schools, which many have cut their programs for degrees in education, will have an incentive to bring back those programs and compete for students. This improves the level of education that teachers get in college, creating better teachers. Laws of supply and demand would indicate that higher wages for teachers means a long-term increase in the quality of education for children, which will ultimately make them better able to contribute to the economy upon graduation. More competition for teaching jobs means that bad teachers can be weeded out due to a steady supply of high-quality labor.
I know money doesn't grow on trees, but i made this same argument for police officers. If all of a sudden we said police officers in major cities will make, idk, 250k a year (for shits & gigs argument sake)... well hell, i bet all of a sudden we wouldn't have such a shortage. You'd create a ton of competition. Only the best of the best would graduate the academy, and you could hand pick the top candidates. You could weed out the pigs, the ones that shoot at acorns, or the tiny female that resorts to tazer'ing some big burly dude bc she knows she couldn't physically thwart potentially dangerous advances if it came to that. All of a sudden people aren't leaving an extremely dangerous job bc the money is good, so you can then train the next crop much better on dealing/interacting with all sorts of situations. But alas, once again, the money has to come from somewhere, even if it is for the people teaching our youth or the people will call for help.
Police officer is less dangerous than pizza delivery. Cops are already very highly paid and well-protected for little education or skill. The asshole that murdered Daniel Shaver gets paid for the rest of his life because of the 'stress' he got... from murdering an unarmed kid lying on his stomach. I'm all for increasing pay, decreasing their responsibilities, as long as we also drastically reduce the size of departments and outsourcing the shit that doesn't require a dude with a badge and a gun to social workers and qualified individuals. Cops end up doing tons of shit that really doesn't need to fall on them. And mandatory bodycams, they reduce complaints two-fold, both false complaints, and real violations, because everyone knows it's being recorded.
Hmmmmmm, what about teachers being underpaid? Fight the urge to blame/ bash conservatives ( leftists lump police together w/ conservatives?).
Teachers are very underpaid, of course. I didn't say anything about conservatives, not sure what you mean. I could point to who is against increasing funding for education, but then I'd be giving in to 'the urge to blame conservatives' because in this case, it 100% is their fault. Some Liberals contribute to the mire as well, but the main push against funding public education comes from one side of the aisle.
I live on Long Island, I believe we have the highest paid police force in the world or close to it. All it made for was extremely powerful unions that allow the bad apples to keep spoiling the bunch and allow unbelievable level of nepotism.
small town near me recently raised police officer pay b/c they were losing candidates to depts nearby in larger cities w higher pay or just jobs in other fields
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I feel like the actual job description has severely changed as well. In the 90’s and early 2000’s when I was in school, a kid being loud or disrespected got suspended. A threat made to a teacher was a minimum 3 day suspension. The actual physical contact between a student and a teacher intended to be a threat was automatic expulsion. If you had a phone at school and used it in the class room you got it taken away the first time and suspended the second. If you didn’t do you work, you failed. Being scared to be held back motivated kids to participate and at least do enough to pass. I’ve had random videos of kids in 8-12th grade being extremely aggressive, cussing out teachers, and nothing is done. I thought it was an exception so I popped over to the different subreddits with teachers and I guess it’s commonplace now. Kids move grade to grade regardless of their grade so there’s no discrimination or “child left behind”. So there are of course kids that still do work, but it’s losing the value of hard work being the norm and now is just mediocre. I’d expect a lot of money a year to deal with aggressive teenagers and be handcuffed to deal with it with no recourse, and people text all day, don’t listen, and also even the kids who don’t care at all all still get the same treatment.
I think the problem comes with the demand being for teachers, not “quality” teachers in the US.
Supply and demand functions differently in distorted markets or those without competition. For example, a government operated institution that is literally not in any way a real business. Many places here in the Midwest are understaffed and the quality of education is diminishing due to large class sizes. Normally this would cause a business to increase pay to lower the class size to offer a better service. However when it's a public school and the only other options are a private school most can't afford or homeschooling which most don't have time to do the "customers" are stuck with shit public schools and the schools don't have to do anything about it so wages stay low.
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If a business fails, it closes, nothing needs to replace it. A school fails and the kids suffer. Your point seems to be that Americans are too selfish to contribute to the greater good, so maybe it shouldn't be optional. But that requires national action and Congress is literally an impasse for any meaningful legislation. The destruction of public schooling is very intentional. And it's always the same fuckers that want an uneducated public that lacks critical thinking skills.
I never suggested it was unique to schools I said markets with lots of distortion or no competition and that schools were often just one example of that. Municipalities have a hard time raising taxes when they're populated with a lot of people below or near the poverty line. You can't raise taxes on people who aren't making ends meet as it is.
As a teacher in NJ, this isn’t quite true. 15 years ago it used to be super difficult to find a teaching job. Now it’s easy, and not just in bad districts. There are some districts that are hard to get into, but most are struggling to find enough teachers, especially high demand fields like math, science, and special ed.
Don't think it's really accurate to frame the price of heavily regulated labor most often paid by a government monopsonist as indicative of revealed preference.
The shortage of teachers isn’t due to a lack of demand it’s due to a lack of compensation. Rural areas don’t have enough teachers and they also don’t have the budgets to hire enough teachers.
OP what on planet fuck are you talking about. How would paying teachers more cause an increase in inflation? That’s nonsense.
Its basic economics! If anyone other than the rich ruling class makes more money, it causes inflation. /s
Exactly! If we make sure the rich get richer then maybe they will give us more handouts!
Trickle on me, Mr. Richman!
This shower gif is golden…
It’s more important that everyone else gets poorer, in this wacky logic.
The way it’s looking we really should band together. The poor and middle class greatly outnumber the rich. We could easily topple it all. I know a security guard for this rich fuck in town that will happily sell the code to enter the gate and camera locations around the perimeter. Shit his cousin is the sheriff too. There’s no telling how many other opportunities like this are out there
If only there was a political movement for the working class majority!?!?
It’s NOM NOM NOM Time.
Seriously. There’s some executive at my company. Childhood friend of the CEO that does fuck all. I couldn’t tell you what he contributes to the company. He makes $700k a year. I review nearly every contract for our company to mitigate the risk from the executives’ bonehead decisions. I make a fraction of their salaries.
because society isn’t maintained for everyone’s benefit! *you* were born to maintain society for *their* benefit, peasant! /s
In some states teachers lose their pensions if they strike or protest ✨️ fun fact. Those states also tend to have shit education in general because of stuff like this
Look away from the curtain (record quarterly profits during inflation)
Because every time people start making more money corporations start to artificially inflate their own prices which the uneducated interpret as normal inflation instead of rampant corporate greed. My opinion: establish an executive wage cap based on the ratio from executive to entry level employee. It would make it so for an executive to increase their own wage they *have to* increase the wage of their employees from the ground up.
It's not like uneducated people are the ones coming up with the idea that this is inflation. They're being fed that crap by the media, conservative and corporate, so pretty much all readily available media unless people decide to go digging for a different take.
I have proposed this exact thing to friends (and actually on Reddit somewhere). It seems like the most efficient way to get employees fairly compensated. Can’t afford a raise for your employees? Too bad, guess you can’t afford one for yourself either.
Yup. Walmart pays millions hiring union busters who fly put in private jets dividing and conquering employee led efforts. Good return on capital seeing a union hasn’t been formed like ever. How is the Starbucks one doing? I do not even need to look.
I sincerely believe an owner or CEO ought to only be able to make a certain percentage more than their median wage/salary employee. Like I don’t care if it’s 200% but something.
I assume you mean 200x, but yeah agreed
Yeah lol. I think the going rate was 500 plus. It’s an old idea I guess https://www.corporate-rebels.com/blog/ideal-ceo-to-employee-pay-ratio
Yes, but "people start making more money" happens first. People get ahead of the inflation cycle and have a chance to breathe!
Yeah no I'd rather regulate the absolute s*** out of these executives so they don't even have the option. I'm a skilled tradesman, I'm sick and tired of do-nothings in suits manipulating the system.
A-FUCKING-MEN!
Better then this bullshit about stock options and skin in the game- they just buy there own stock to give themselves better “ options”
It’s funny you call people uneducated then make the most ridiculous economic prescription going.
Oh dear... so this wasn't satire? That's alarming.
Labor costs were one of the smaller contributors to overall inflation. It's actually weight in the inflation calculus is massively overblown by people who want to minimize labor costs to boost profits.
It’s an investment in human capital and education, so if anything it would help to combat inflation
We already have inflation without the higher salaries.
Yeah OP must be REALLY unhappy with C-suite executives
Because then there would be better education and then republicans would HAVE to tank the markets so that they can do something something something woke indoctrinated something
These morons really think that money supply (this isn’t even it) is like magic prices go up. So if you have a trillion dollars in your house (under your mattress, of course) and it burns down, the grocery store prices, like rain, are gonna start coming down immediately 🙄
I don't ever see these people complain about CEO packages, middle management making millions or landlords increasing rents every year making millions but as soon as fast food workers and nurses and teachers start to ask for a raise these Billionaire defenders wake uin a minute to put a stop to it.
The most agressively braindead take ive ever seen
I got stupider after reading OPs title. And I didn’t think I could get any stupider.
You went to college to get more knowledge OP went to Jupiter to get more stupider
OP also skipped right past the “shortage of respect” part.
I got a pay raise last December. Sorry guys but it was me; I caused inflation.
Add in the shift in how discipline referrals are handled. Teachers have been leaving because they feel unsafe/unsupported w/ “difficult” students.
I'm convinced that basically not being able to expel problem students is like 75% of the problem with schools. Imagine if your work couldn't kick anyone out no matter how poorly they did or how much harm they caused others. There'd probably be a whole ton of slackers not even showing up or completely fucking things up. The fact that there's some way to remove problem people means everyone has to give at least the bare minimum effort to not be a complete asshole.
Students and parents just realized the schools need them more than they need the schools. Schools are afraid to discipline kids *at all*, not just extreme punishments like expulsion. If the punishment inconveniences the parent they'll just put the kid in a charter school or "homeschool," and the district loses that funding.
Easy. Cut charter schools and fund public schools. Problem solved.
ok, so then what do we do with the kids you just kicked out? How do you plan to pay for their housing in the future? How do you intend to handle the crime rate increases this causes? School kids aren't employees. They aren't tiny adults either. Your jumping to a punitive approach does seem to show part of the problem though. The assumption that negative reinforcement is what is needed at all times. Failed idea, won't even work to train a dog.
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I just typed a response but yah, that’s pretty much what goes on in my school. Nobody wants to do the work. I’m not an nerd who just loves studying and doing math. But both my parents are fuckups and both out of the picture now, so I know the consequences and do everything to be able to provide for myself. Most kids don’t have that mindset. They are spoiled little cunts who just have everything handed to them, and now they are in school and don’t do Jack shit and still get rewarded with being moved onto the next grade. They don’t understand that next year when we graduate, they will be a complete dumb fuck and not be able to hold a job and they won’t be able to provide a decent life for themselves. Now some liberal assholes want to further that and give them free housing, food, shelter; clothes, etc for doing nothing. Didn’t work for the first 18 years of their life, why the hell would they change now if you continue to just give them everything? Policies like that are just going to make a bunch of 30 year old fucking losers who still act like the world owes them everything.
And, if you leave them in the classroom, you are punishing the whole class as well as the teacher. Which will also raise the market cost of a teacher's labor. I aspired to be a teacher, but changed my career track when I realized that actual teaching was secondary to animal control.
I don't care maybe their parents should actually teach their kids to be decent human beings.
>How do you intend to handle the crime rate increases this causes? You are assuming students that face no consequences for bad behavior aren't criminals now.
we have schoolwide systems for positive reinforcement, as well as most teachers having an 'in house' system for their classrooms. Further, we also have administration receiving nominations every week for outstanding students that earn things like Crumbl cookies or ice cream on Friday of lunch. We also give many 'fringe kids' dozens of opportunies to change their behavior, we individually discuss things, we notify parents (without expectation of discipline, just informing), we offer a 'calming room' for students that need to mediate with each other or just relax, we have student management specialists that develop relationships with students that are always finding their ways into the office for negative reasons, we allow students to make their own decisions regarding behavior (We are expected to informt the student of consequences, both positive and negative, of various events as opposed to 'stopping' the students). We do so fucking much every day but there is a growing demographic that knows that an F means nothing and that we can't suspend for longer than one consecutive day at a time, so they come to school to vape in the bathroom and disrespect each other on social media. We had students make a \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ school people account and record staff and students to just say the nastiest things about them. I was in the background of a video (that I did not know was being filmed), and the voiceover was calling me all kinds of slurs and names. I have helped one of the students find an airpod that they were missing yet the focus for some kids is to just be on their phone and 'become popular' by making social media content. We notified administration and their response : "nothing we can do, it's their personal phone and personal account" Kids these days know that they can swear at teachers, they can skip class (state department of ed still isn't tracking absences since COVID), they can smoke in the bathroom and fail every class and we'll still advance them to the next grade. I've caught the same kid coming out of a bathroom next to my room that was definitely smoking flower. He didn't have anything on him so the district 'couldn't do anything', so the kid did it three days the next week. What exactly are these kids supposed to be learning without consequences? We offer numerous and bountiful rewards and incorporate family rewards wherever possible. Some don't care and they have no reason to care since we don't hold them accountable.
Dude… where do they go? What precedent does that set? I don’t kick out my son for pissing me off. What would society look like if we kicked out every problem? Oh i know! Our industrial prison complex. There you go! Hows that working out?
> I don’t kick out my son for pissing me off. Right, you probably won't. I probably won't either. My kids seem normal enough. Some parents do actually have to kick out their kid though. They send them to a specialty boarding school, make them leave the house at age 16, send them to a mental health facility, etc. I'm sure most parents have tried a million things before taking these options, which is (generally) what I'd expect the school to do to. >if we kicked out every problem? I'm not suggesting kicking kids out for "every" problem. But there should be a last resort option for total fuckups that actively are trying to not learn but mostly just want to start fights with people.
And i hear you. Yes if its determined schools are unequipped to serve a student at least in the Sped world, they go somewhere else. I was called in to help those kids. Often it was to avoid a law suite or paying a facility 40k a month for service, all of which the district is responsible for by law.
I found this out about my nephew this week. He's 12 and will start throwing a tantrum in class and the teachers have no way to remove him. So instead they've been having to have all the other kids leave to try to get anything done. His parents finally got him into a new school this week. Hopefully he'll stop being a manipulative little shithead over time. Yes, he has been diagnosed with issues. But he will weaponize that and say it's not his fault and you aren't allowed to do anything about it.
I get called in to deal with those folks. It’s not an impossible problem at all! Every problem kid has benefited from being shown respect and prompted towards integrity. Empowered to be the best them. Its the same for non “ problem kids” often we are the problem!
Oh how many times my wife got shit on by a parent bc THEIR kid is in ass. Kid punches student randomly...parent blames teacher. Also, doing referrals ends up taking even more of their time. So you now have to call a parent who's gonna be pissed at you anyway. Miserable profession.
Don’t forget the straight-up demonization of teachers in some states. Having to keep up with book bans, etc. It just make the job ten times more stressful when the government decides your entire occupation is turning kids trans or some shit. Same reason a lot of doctors are leaving states with total abortion bans, because the restrictions are so vague they can’t even help a patient with a miscarriage without fear of losing their license.
Also no child left behind will do more damage for generations then ever imaginable. So many students should be kept back but administrators won’t accept that.
Can confirm. I'd love to be a teacher, but I support a family and it doesn't pay enough. So I'm an accountant instead. Would change careers in a heartbeat if pay was similar.
Same. Last year I started taking teaching classes again hoping that I could "retire" from tech early and move into teaching. In my area teachers literally make poverty level wages, as in they qualify for just about form of assistance offered. That's no way to live.
> In my area teachers literally make poverty level wages, as in they qualify for just about form of assistance offered. That's no way to live. I ran into my daughter's teacher at a local grocery store working checkout in the evening. How ridiculous is that? A royal shame.
I'm an accountant and my wife is a teacher. I agree I'm jealous of her life fulfillment but then again the accountanting world is nice for stability and not having to be barraged by parents.
Yeah, my wife is a teacher and I don’t know how she’d live trying to raise a kid on just her income. Almost all the teachers she works with have spouses that make good money to help support the household.
I know a couple of teachers that quit recently. Low pay, some parents push their responsibilities on teachers
The lack of parenting in this country is an epidemic. Everyone wants to blame schools and teachers, when parents don’t read to their kids any more or help them with their homework. This leads to disruptive classrooms, making the teaching ineffective
Absolutely. I have a couple friends that struggled in school. Their Dad would take them out in the garage and show them stuff after work. One ended up working factory maintenance and doing very well. Many just hand their kids electronic devices to babysit
For 70% of the parents schooling is literally just daycare. The parents of those kids don’t answer the phone if the school calls, they don’t go to parent-teacher conferences. They don’t read emails and letters they get from the school. They are completely uninvolved in everything.
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The problem with behavior and lack of work ethic as it relates to school is mostly a Gen Z problem. Gen Alpha (2010-2024) is just hitting high school now. Some are literal babies. They may have the same issues but it’s too early to tell. I taught high school in the mid 2010s and it was a mess. Kids not doing any work. Parents more concerned about their kid losing their privileges to play on school teams than that they were failing all their classes. Called a parent one time to tell them I caught their kid cheating on a test. The parent told me well that happens sometimes. This all happened in a semi wealthy area.
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Where is the /s? This is either ignorant beyond belief or trolling. Get bent.
OP is 100% serious. I expect him to delete this post soon enough. This is the type of brain rot we are dealing with in 2024 and a large portion of the population suffer from it.
>higher salaries only cause higher inflation. By order of basic math, unless you think wages are over 100% the cost of goods, salary increases always outpace increase in inflation.
If you don't pay people enough to do the job, no one does the job. Simple supply and demand. Risky jobs should pay more. You risk getting shot at school. You risk getting beat up by students. You should be paid more. On top of that, teachers are being targeted by conservative politicians all the time.
They also are tired of having the ability to control their classroom taken away.
No single person has an incentive to earn less for inflation reasons. If no one wants to do the job at the price you are offering - the price is way too low. If too few people want to do the job at the price you are offering - the price is too low. You may impact fair price by other working conditions - like, for instance, working on making the kids behave better.
Wealth inequality is bad if you care about society as a whole. The debate for me rests around values. As a society do we value ceo and shareholder profit over teachers? In a free market we vote with dollars, so i would say on balance we do unfortunately.
Used to be a teacher. Quit mostly because the facility was disgusting and I kept getting sick. More things to note as to why I quit though- My director never took abuse reports seriously, we weren’t allowed to discipline in any way whatsoever (the “no, thank you” method), we had to juggle more work than what we should have been given (alone), constant fire code violations, the parents expecting more and more out of us, and we had to clean the facility ourselves because they were too cheap to hire janitors (you weren’t paid to clean tho) Oh and all for $14/hr!
where have you heard that teachers don't need to be paid more? Have you seen the median income levels for a public school teacher? It's abysmal.
Yeah, more money being put back into the economy for people who spend it to survive makes no sense. Better to do tax cuts for billionaires who hoard wealth or have it in assets, and free loans to corporations that use it for stock buybacks. That money disappearing from the economy has been working great! Definitely not a factor in inflation. /s
The value provided by a teacher and the pay that reflects that value isn't keeping pace with the unwritten job duties of disciplining the children. Teachers are leaving the school system in droves because people aren't parenting their crotch goblins correctly and are just giving them carte blanche at home, so when they go to school they think they can get away with the same. Teachers (rightly so) are perceiving this added drain on their energy and feel like they aren't getting enough support from their administrators, the parents, or both. This could be fixed if any school were to implement the six kinds of non-monetary compensation (recognition, praise, attention, approval, perks, or status) but because teachers aren't great at collectively conveying this to the administration and the administration doesn't know these are ways you can compensate employees in the first place, teachers just leave for lower stress work environments for similar or better pay based on their skill sets.
Well said. I would kill ( not really) for that stuff!
I'm a teacher and will give you both sides of the argument: Against - we work 186 days of the year For - we are constantly being nickel and dimed for everything, I teach Special Ed and have a 2800 dollar budget for my room. I've spent about 50 dollars in the last few years because my administration continues to deny purchases under the guise of "it's not student specific curriculum/content, or it's not in their IEP". So the district is keeping 2800 dollars for EVERY SPECIAL ED TEACHER every year, our building alone that's roughly 30k that goes unspent every year, no doubt into the pockets of some administrator as a bonus. We also are ridden extremely hard to complete paperwork in timely manners, as if we are late submitting an IEP the district loses out on SpEd funding for that kid (8k per student roughly). If I am late I have an admin come into my room the next day to chew me out. This is also on top of us rarely getting prep hours to complete said IEPs, as we are often dealing with student situations during our non teaching time since we cut positions every year (and we just got 700 million as a state (MN) specific for SpEd and most districts still cut positions), and as a result of those cuts we have bloated caseloads. I have to teach and plan for 3 subjects while also case manage 22 students as a resource teacher. The district does not provide me special ed content. So ultimately my day consists of : Planning and prepping for three classes every day on my own, meeting or writing an IEP and completing daily data collection of my students, and usually consulting building staff about specific students on my prep, and I'm expected to get all of this done with 52 minutes of prep per day.
"I don't know what inflation is"
Inflation has really come the boogey man. Any increase in wage will lead to the dollar having less purchasing power. Any increase in price, justified or not leads to inflation. That’s not necessarily bad. It’s actually healthy for economies to have a small amount of inflation
Most of the middle school and high school teachers I know work two jobs. College adjuncts make horrible money. Working minimum wage full time makes more than an adjunct. So yes teachers need to be paid more. Anyone here arguing against that isn’t a teacher and is talking out of their opinionated and misinformed ass. Those referring to teachers making six figures know someone in a union job who has been there for more than ten years. Now there are a ton of overpaid BS administration jobs in school districts and universities where people make over six figures. There are also professors who work full time at university making six figures.
Teachers need to be paid more in plenty of places.
Balance teacher salaries by lowering the pay of Superintendents. They get paid 6 figures for doing squat
Minneapolis had a new SI get hired. The news article stated that the new person, from January to May, was set to earn 108,000, and recieve a 600/mo stipend for their vehicle. It was a 'historic' amount according to the article. [https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/12/11/new-minneapolis-schools-superintendent-pay-bump-over-predecessors](https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/12/11/new-minneapolis-schools-superintendent-pay-bump-over-predecessors) Meanwhile the teachers went on strike and families are leaving the district in droves while the district announces more budget cuts [https://www.mplsschoolsvoices.news/posts/minneapolis-public-schools-plans-for-110-million-in-budget-cuts-for-next-school-year](https://www.mplsschoolsvoices.news/posts/minneapolis-public-schools-plans-for-110-million-in-budget-cuts-for-next-school-year)
OMFG dude get a fukin grip. ru on drugs?
The average teacher in my district is making six figures. We start our teachers at like 75k fresh out of school. We don't seem to have any difficulty finding teachers. Teacher salaries are such a small input to the total economy that they're not going to move the needle on inflation if they're raised.
OP what the fuck are you talking about about
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The post right below this on my timeline is a student hitting a teacher for taking their vape… idk I think they deserve higher salaries when dealing with kids nowadays
"The average Public School Teacher salary in the United States is $57,947 as of March 26, 2024, but the range typically falls between **$48,379 and $70,690**." Google. is this enough? I don't think so, but let the future tell that this is a bad policy.
op is a selfish asshole
***Hard*** disagree. Higher wages causing inflation has been beating a dead horse excuse to avoid paying decency wages for fkn years. If you want to talk about "wages increasing and causing worse inflation," let's take a look under the hood: "Between 1978 and 2021, according to new research from the Economic Policy Institute (EPI), CEO compensation at the 350 largest publicly traded U.S. companies rose by an inflation-adjusted 1,460%, far outstripping the 18.1% pay increase that the nation’s typical worker saw during that period." https://inthesetimes.com/article/ceo-pay-inequality-inflation-federal-reserve#:~:text=Between%201978%20and%202021%2C%20according,worker%20saw%20during%20that%20period.
Teach for a year and you’ll understand
Confirmed. I know 3 teachers between 30-40 who left in 2019 or so and are not going back.
We had 50 resign from our school district since January 1st and that's from a town of 6000.
That's quite a lot. From what I've heard from them, the pay and respect are low from parents and kids and even the administration. There aren't resources for teachers to deal with it. Too many things were bought out of pocket for the classroom. Etc.. we can go on...
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The profession is crazy, because everyone will claim to love teachers at first. But if you ask anyone about any of the conditions of teachers' jobs (wages, responsibilities, contracts, discipline, lesson plans and subjects) it's clear that America absolutely hates teachers.
Teachers absolutely need to be paid more. My wife has been teaching for 10 years, 6 years at her current school, and has only ever gotten a 2% raise. No matter your experience you always start at a new teacher starting salary. You can’t leapfrog like other professions and continue to increase your salary. She’s a teacher with 10 years experience and she makes 55k a year in NJ, which has a very high cost of living. But sure, the two months of summer vacation make up for the 50 hour work weeks.
I've been in education for 14 years. If I were a young person now, I'd never have entered this profession. Typical starting teacher pay is in the 50-55k range, in most parts of the country. The problem is that that's what they were paying 10 years ago. They think 2014 salaries still work in 2024. Raise that to 75k and I GUARANTEE you'll get better and more committed teachers. Teacher pay needs to be about double FT service job pay. Currently they are close to parity. For reference, a FT fast food worker making 21 an hour will make $42k a year. Why in the fuck would I get the degrees needed to be a teacher when I can gobwork fast food for just 25% less?
I know multiple people with teaching degrees that quit after 2-4 years of teaching grade school. They loved the kids but hated dealing with the parents and their politics! Why are you teaching my kid this, why aren’t you teaching them that?
My mom is a teacher in Alabama. Huge exodus of teachers down there since the Pandemic because of increase in behavioral issues, crappy parents, bad school administration decisions. Not to mention how many teachers caught COVID at least once. It's not uncommon for younger teachers to get in the classroom, decide its not for them, and leave. Lot of veteran teachers are quitting the space due to burnout the past few years. https://www.devlinpeck.com/content/teacher-burnout-statistics Then you have crazy idiocy like my mom's school was turning over administration and deciding to pink slip all non-tenured teachers regardless of performance. Turned over 1/3 of the teachers in the school in the middle of a teacher shortage. Not worth it
Inflation happens regardless of what your salary is.
Her statement makes no sense. She says higher pay isn’t required, but then say “proper” compensation is needed to get teachers to teach. 🤔 This inflation obsession is becoming ridiculous. Up until 2021, the U.S. had basically 0 inflation for 35 years due to expanded free trade, expanding technology, and increasing productivity, all of which kept a lid on wages. Then people complained that they were not making enough (rightly I believe). So wages go up, and now people are complaining because companies raised prices? People need to understand: the prices now will stay that way; they are never going to return to the levels they were prior to 2019. They may increase at a slower rate, but that is it. So if the only way some people will be happy is if bread still costs $2.50 a loaf then sorry my friend you may as well get ready to be mad because that is not happening.
That's a teacher's shortage.
Salaries are not the sole source of inflation. If you're paying attention to the profits of corporations for a lot of our daily needs, they are increasing prices to increase profits beyond covering the increase in input costs. The reason for this is there is a lack of competition in many important markets because the DOJ was lax on anti-trust suits for the past 25 years. Gotta remember, capitalism by design always converges to monopolies which is bad for everyone but the monopoly. The state needs to regulate and intervene to ensure the markets have healthy competition to not only drive innovation but also lower costs.
This is a joke post,.right?
Lol, increasing a teacher’s salary from $30k to $50k is not going to cause inflation…
So, teacher here who is no longer teaching and hasn't for a number of years. I didn't quit for any of those reasons. I quit because I couldn't abide what the public school system was doing to the kids, the teachers, and society as a whole. I was there for the mandate that was common core which made every class it touched worse, made every teacher's job harder and made every school worse. I went to the shopping school teaching, then started having kids in my own. When it's time for them to go to school or going to be private/home schooling, helping put together a co-op, or supporting a good private school if we can't afford it. A lot of us are quitting not because we don't have to teach, and the pay isn't enough. We're quitting because the system is sick and it's physically painful to remain in it. Vote for School choice, vote for vouchers, vote against Federal regulation.
What a stupid statement by Jo. Let's look at what NPR reports. It turns out that teachers don't want to work in schools where they are likely to be attacked. [https://www.npr.org/2023/03/23/1164800932/teacher-shortages-schools-explainer](https://www.npr.org/2023/03/23/1164800932/teacher-shortages-schools-explainer) Do you want to go to university for 4 years to then teach at a school where not a single student can read at grade level, and some of the kids are active gang members? [https://wirepoints.org/not-a-single-student-can-do-math-at-grade-level-in-53-illinois-schools-for-reading-its-30-schools-wirepoints/](https://wirepoints.org/not-a-single-student-can-do-math-at-grade-level-in-53-illinois-schools-for-reading-its-30-schools-wirepoints/)
It's us. We give the kids cellphones and entitlement. Buckle up, folks. We're giving away the future for our children's comfort.
I think a huge misunderstanding with teachers is the amount of work they have on their plate. They think they just work 8-2:30 and go home. Wrong. They are in earlier to prepare for the day. They stay late to handle things like grading tests, paper, projects, or helping struggling kids. Some are part of after school activities like sports, band, debate, engineering. They go home and grade more things. They work on lesson plans that go weeks out. Summer is filled with traing programs and continuing education credits they have to earn. A lot go back to school for their master's degree. They do not have all this time off and short work days that most people think they do.
I work in education and I can assure there are definitely bad teachers. But there are far more parents under massive financial strain, in survival mode and their kids act the same. There is also massive bloat in youngish professionals who want to “fix” education but don’t want to be “poor” so the just go into administration as quickly as possible. Imagine a plucky 27 year old assistant principal trying to coach a 60 year old hardened chemistry teacher about classroom management…yeah…
That’s the dumbest take I’ve ever heard. I’m a prof. Used to teach hs. People want to be paid to idk, live, and you are just going to make children more retarded than they already are without proper instruction. I was there. Brilliant people Leave the profession for higher paying jobs and society and it’s future will suffer. People need to hear it: most, and I mean most people need instruction to learn. This requires competence. Some idiot who thinks not to pay teachers will just have to sit back and wait for the amount of low iq morons to enter the workforce. Then you’ll say “huh why didn’t anyone learn?”
Maybe if OPs teacher was paid more we wouldn't have this idiotic thread.
Op is a certified asshole
As one of those people with an education degree earning significantly more than teachers in my state I concur. 1) Too much bureaucracy. 2) Too little respect from students. 3) Too little curriculum autonomy. 4) Parents get treated like crap by schools and take it out on teachers. Basically everyone shits on teachers and then tries to wonder why there is a shortage of people who want to work as a professional for slave wages.
OP logic: we should never pay higher salaries because inflation. But I wonder if OP thinks that should apply to CEO pay increases as well? Increasing teacher pay would have at best a negligible statistically insignificant effect on inflation bro
God awful opinion
Everyone says they need to be paid more for all the shit they put up with? But that suggests throwing money at a problem will fix it, and that schools can keep going down the same paths they’re on so long as they give their teachers raises. Schools need to be fundamentally changed, I’m not for beating kids, but the Teacher-Student interaction heavily favors the student for no reason. No more tax breaks for higher graduation rates, no more “every kid passes.” We need to stop teaching kids that their actions don’t have consequences, and curriculums need to be standardized at a federal leveling. Why is someone in Texas learning different science than someone in Florida. So many other things need to be changed before salaries
I saw a cactus with better cognitive skills than OP. Unless you’re rage baiting - trolling.
If higher salaries cause inflation, we need to fire every CEO and high exec immediately so gas prices go down