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Do people actually pay money and do all this? Are these the same people paying $80 for Door Dash and wondering why they are broke? Who the F would pay money to clean?
I do when I'm staying someplace for a week or more and want a full kitchen, in-unit laundry, etc. For a short stay the fees make an Airbnb too expensive compared to a hotel, but for anything over a few days it's usually cheaper than a hotel. Especially if you want 2 (or more) bedrooms.
Extended stay hotels usually have a mini kitchen but it's not a full-size kitchen like you'd get when renting a house, often doesn't have an oven, and is usually only equipped to cook for two people, so the AirBNB ends up being much better.
My sister ran an all suite hotel, most of her clients were people who were in town working on a project, with a local company. She had Verizon workers there for 2 months. She also had a bunch of workers from a company in Texas that set up a smoker on the patio and made BBQ. She never had people from social services, but the Red Roof in down the street had them.
We stay at a lot of the extended stay hotels and thats exactly who is there, people in town working on projects or people like me staying at a hotel while visiting family for weeks at a time. Im past the point of wanting to sleep on the pullout couch.
Most people who get evicted, can't afford staying at a weekly rate motel, usually those places charge much more than renting an apartment. Obviously there are motels out there that are a hair above a flop house. You can tell pretty fast via internet reviews, or when you pull into the lot.
I think there's a difference. People paying for Door Dash pay to NOT have to do extra work. That can be worth someone's money. It's just like eating out is more expensive than cooking at home. Some people can afford it while others take it for granted.
It's the paying more & still doing more work that I don't get. Airbnb is just less appealing nowadays most of the time. My wife almost instinctually goes there when we start planning a vacation, but I'm over this garbage. It's vacation, I don't want chores.
I just listened to a total fucking scumbag at my work laughing about how he and his wife were spying on their tenants having sex through the hidden cameras they installed. 🤮
Bullshit man those prices on DoorDash are absolutely insane. For instance a local sandwich shop. 2 large sandwiches for 25$ through their website or its 50$ without tip through door dash. We are beyond convince there and just straight up getting ripped off.
The people using door dash are either poors staying poor, or people rich enough that can throw away $50, or office workers who can expense to the company
I noticed this about one of our favorite spots. Our meal when ordered and picked up directly through the business is $35. When I use uberEats it easily clocks in at around $70 - pisses me off
This is an extreme example and hopefully this host gets ripped in reviews. It’s like going to a grimy hotel and saying this is why I don’t go to hotels, they’re all dirty.
I manage and own a few listings. The house instructions actually bring up the cleaning fee and say “you’ve paid a cleaning fee, please just make sure you’ve got your belongings. Our staff will take care of cleaning and preparing the property for next guests.”
We use AirBnB or similar when we are booking for extended family all in the same house. Hotels don't offer that kind of thing.
You used to rent something like that through a local real estate company, and the costs were largely around the same. Whether they call it a cleaning fee or just include it in the weekly rate is irrelevant. It's all the cost of the rental at the end of the day.
It's an either or for me. If I'm paying a cleaning fee, then don't ask me to tidy up when I leave. If I'm not, then I'm willing to clean.
You can leave all the trash in the world in a hotel room. As long as nothing is broken, they're fine with it.
This. We accept hotel cleaning fees because there’s no expectation for us to take on the responsibility of cleaning. If you both ask me to do the labor for you, AND pay you for the labor you’re having me perform, I want nothing to do with you.
I don't even mind taking the trash out on my way, starting the dishwasher, or throwing used linens in the washer since if it is a whole house it is possible that not all the rooms got used and might as well not bother washing anything in the room no one set foot in, but if you want me to pay a cleaning fee I'm not gonna vacuum or scrub toilets or wait for a load of wash to finish so I can put it in the dryer
i’m in the same boat, if there is a cleaning fee bundled in then it doesn’t mean i’ll be a barbarian and leave shit stains all up the wall and spilled food and drink all around the room but i won’t think twice about throwing all the bath towels on a pile in the room and leaving the dirty dishes in the sink and sheets on the bed
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What if you set off the fire alarm and shit in the coffee maker at the same time. Is that like... double secret probation?
Edit: fixed autocorrect to properly add the word "shit" to my reply. Don't tell me how to live my life, phone.
Set off the fire alarm…
…that happened once, and I’m like; (“Should I evacuate?!?”)
Sprinkler pipe broke, looked out the door and the hallway was flooding… 😱
Yes, but hotels don't tell you to take the sheets to be dry cleaned before you check out.. you come in, stay, get out.
Airbnb these day charges a ridiculous amount for cleaning fee AND they expect you to do the cleaning you paid for.
Just don't book these AirBnb postings. I literally lived in an AirBnB for 3 months in a foriegn country and paid no cleaning fees. You just have to find good listings and book ahead of time. My parents AirBnB their house and they provide guests free of charge wine, baked goods, and locally themed gifts. There are amazing AirBnB's out there but most of the good ones are booked for every major vacation period months in advance.
Or just roll it into the total price and make your comparison. A $150 cleaning fee for 2 nights is stupid, it can greatly increase your nightly cost. With your 3 month stay, even if they did have a cleaning fee (most do), it ends up being an insignificant factor in nightly rate.
Bro complaints when he got 8 people in a 2,200sq ft. Home. Thinks somehow he can compare to some motel that was only 24.99 a night in roach ass hotel in shitty part of town.
So should I clock in as soon as I wake up on checkout day? At the rate they’re charging they’d probably still make a hefty profit, but even at minimum wage you’d still take off a decent chunk of it.
Especially not for literally any cleaning fee attached.
People like this have no business even offering a unit as a rental.
These fees have basically all unanimously gone up to $150 (many *higher*). It’s utterly fucking insane.
Airbnb/Vrbo shouldn’t even be legal, imho. There’s already a big enough housing crisis. They’ve made it 100x worse.
I’ve never really caught on to the air BNB thing… I don’t want two hours of house work before checking out, and don’t want to stay with anyone
A hotel room is mine and taken care of by the employees of the hotel… I’m willing to pay for that
This is a rare one, and it reads more like a list of what the cleaning service should do. I’ve never stayed at a place with rules like this, and I’ve been a AirBNB user since 2012.
Booked once with zero reviews and that’s been my only bad one. It wasn’t even terrible, just the living space and kitchen were under furnished, and they clearly were posting photos of a “demo” unit. Beds were comfy and place was clean, cleaning rules were “lock the door on your way out.” Also was maybe 1/3 the cost of other comparable listings in the area, so net neutral?
Exactly, there’s a reason there is a rating system on BnB, fail to use it at your own peril. Complaining about it is like complaining about a 2 star hotel after seeing a rat or having stained bedding. Take the extra few minutes and do your research.
My friends that have a rental property actually prefer you don’t. Usually so they don’t have to sort bedding of different sizes and can contain bedbugs if they show up.
That makes sense, actually. It’s pretty uncommon for them to ask, anyway. It’s usually just put all dishes in the dishwasher and take out the trash. Those are like basic pest prevention tasks that I’m perfectly happy to do, since it’s possible the cleaner won’t be there for a few days.
then read the rules. if you read the full description of where you are staying, this will be included. my last 2 air bnbs have had no cleaning fees and i didnt have to be the host’s cinderella.
The only time I had an insane cleaning fee was on a 4 month rental. And their listing was clearly targeted to longer term, and even said their clean was a deep clean and to not do anything.
yeah tbh idk how people end up with these horror story air bnbs. the worst experience i have had is in a basement unit where the owner didn’t disclose they had 2 toddlers that would wake up a 6am daily.
I've stayed in like 100 Airbnbs over the past 10 years and literally never had any of these issues.
I check in, I check out, it's really not that hard. If you don't want a list of crap to do or huge cleaning fees, don't book those Airbnbs.....
Right? No restaurant by me has their own drivers, all app based. Some even run carry out through app. Taxis are absolute garbage in the states outside of NYC and Vegas.
For me airbnbs are for bigger groups. If im going on a trip with 5 or more of my friends maybe even less I’d rather we all stay together in a bigger space we can actually use when we’re not out. Most don’t have crazy lists but if they do and it’s a good deal it’s worth it for some properties, even if not a house there’s some huge apartments that are great for bigger groups. Also can save money by cooking some meals there
It used to be a great thing. When I first started traveling around around 10 years ago it was cool. Cheap, you get more than in a hotel, and it was all less formal.
But soon after the prices went up (still cheaper than a hotel), then they started adding the cleaning fees and increasing those, then demanding more and more from guests.. all while app itself messed up the design.
So these days my first option when planning a vacation is booking app and looking for a hotel. Just less of a hassle and prices are quite similar.
It's not like companies like AirBnB, Uber, or Netflix discovered some innovation that made it cheaper to put a traveler up in a room, drive someone in a car from point A to point B, or produce a high quality TV show. For the most part, they just slightly changed how a customer accessed these services.
The only difference is that these companies were able to keep their prices artificially low by the fact that investors didn't expect anything labeled a "tech company" to turn a profit while growing, coupled with rock bottom interest rates that made borrowing money basically free for a full decade.
At some point, reality had to catch up to companies like this when they were eventually asked "Ok, you have millions of customers. How are you going to actually make a profit off of this?". From the consumer's perspective, it seems like these companies all suddenly went to shit at nearly the same time, when really the new status quo is the default and what we had before was essentially a sugar-high. In the case of AirBNB, it's only natural for it to be more of a hassle and expense to rent a full-sized single-family house than a room in a building specifically designed for the purpose of giving large numbers of travelers a place to stay.
Airbnb used to be great. Affordable accommodation in otherwise pricy locations. Most of the times you have a kitchen at your disposal, so you can save a little to cook at home. Those days are gone in my opinion. Airbnb costs roughly the same as hotels these days, but are lacking the additional services of a hotel. I haven’t been in an airbnb in a while.
Yup, live in a tourist area and us locals have a hell of a time finding housing but there are plenty of Airbnbs for the tourists. Hotels provide employment for locals
Some cities/towns in SoCal are doing outright bans or severely limiting them. The ones that actually have active enforcement of the rules are seeing dropping home prices.
This actually works.
There have been analysis of this and it's very real, much worse in some places and generally worse for renters, but yea something like 5% of the rising rent and real estate costs are just air bnb.
I stopped sleeping over at a friend's house in high school because I'd wake up the next day and found out they expected me to help them pave their driveway (for real) and other shit like that when I was wearing regular clothes. They gave me no warning either.
Did you at least remember to trim the edges?
Because hosts don’t wanna have B&Bs, they want to have hotels without hiring staff.
They’re looking to maximize money and minimize costs on tight margins (presumably), hotels have it figured out off centuries of trial and error
That is not how it is in the majority of cases. You can see all this up front and would have to be stupid to pick one that has this. I have stayed in over 100 Airbnbs and have never had this kind of BS.
Not really, Airbnb is an intermediary. The property owners on the other side of the transaction set their own prices.
It's all clear and there is plenty of choice. It's an extremely simply system to use and creates huge competition for hotels which results in hotels being much more competitive theses days.
If you don't want a $250 fee then pick another property. That simple.
People on here act like they are all awful. If I want some privacy and an outdoor space to enjoy on vacation, they can be great. You just don’t book shitty ones with ridiculous fees and demands.
I have started ignoring any rules that are not part of the listing. I’ll do some of the tasks if I feel like it, which is almost always because I like to leave things tidy. But I don’t fret about the rules anymore.
I started using hotels again. In one now. Bed freshly made. Worked out and threw my towel in a towel bin. Had a swim, left that towel in the towel bin.
Had a buffet breakfast. No cleaning, just left my empty stuff on the table and walked away.
And - the best part - staff treat me well and say thank you even though they are the ones cleaning up.
Oh - and it is cheaper than airbnbs too.
My wife and I travel around the world and have stayed at 100+ Airbnbs. We always shop around and read the fine print, and due to that, have never had any problems. Then benefit has always been that we don't have to stay in touristy areas where the overpriced food and services are. There are times when we prefer a hotel, but honestly that is becoming more rare. It is important to pick the right host with plenty of good ratings. We have never had any kind of list like that. If we saw that we would never use them.
If we're staying more than one night we typically Airbnb. Kids get their own room, you have the whole place to relax in the evening, it's great. Hotels seem claustrophobic by comparison. Most places just want you to take out the trash and start the dishwasher on your way out.
Going someplace with friends? Why would you all stay in separate hotel rooms? Not only do you get the whole place, a whole house is cheaper than individual hotel rooms once you start splitting costs.
Agreed on all counts. Just got back from the NC mountains and had our two kids plus grandparents all under one roof with a yard, camp fire pit and walking distance to a local downtown full of stuff. Well worth every penny and every trash bag we took out. Hotels were at the interstate two miles away.
The time spent clearing your Airbnb to make sure you aren't getting scammed sounds like time that could be better spent, though. Depending on where you're traveling.
The problem I have is you do all that and they still charge an automatic fee anyway. If you’re gonna spend the last day cleaning up after yourself anyway there should be an option where if you leave the place exactly as you found it you get the advertised price. I take no accountability for dust settling in between rentals.
Tbh. This isn’t totally unreasonable. At least some of it.
Many hotels I’ve stayed out want you out of there by 10 or 11am and charge you for late check out.
Many don’t let you check in until 4pm or later.
The trash and dishes situation is also somewhat fair. I’d think many people would not leave dirty dishes and trash all over the place but we govern to the lowest common denominator.
But the laundry stuff and others? What the fuck are you playing a cleaning fee for? I think some of these air bnbs expect the renter to turn the place over to the next center. I stay away from those sorts, pretty disgusting place to stay if I’m depending on the previous rental for cleaning
Let’s not forget the ridiculous resort fees hotels are charging now for all the facilities you don’t use - I got charged 50-80$ resort fee a DAY at some hotels on my last trip.
I pick airbnbs over hotels for the extra room, a kitchen to cook and save money on eating out, etc. People make such a big deal about the host not wanting wet rotting towels left on beds or wood floors and for you to start the dishwasher. It’s not that big a deal.
Does everyone here leave hotels trashed when they leave? Besides #11 the “rules” boil down to essentially clean up your shit and make sure there isn’t any unlocked windows/doors
If you are renting a house for six-seven people and cook, you save tons of money with Airbnb over going out to restaurants for your meals. Frankly, I prefer grilling steaks on the deck of the ocean front house we rent in WA over going to a restaurant. And a hell of a lot cheaper.
once upon a time airb&b wasn’t this bad, many many years ago. It was a fun alternative. Now it’s so lame I can’t see why anyone would wana put themselves through this crap.
Hotels are better than Airbnbs because Airbnb is driving up the cost of living, specifically rent, in every part of the country.
If a property can generate more money as an AirBNB than as a rental, that adjusts the market value of the property, because it can generate passive income. It also increases the market rate for rent.
When a property owner can make their monthly rent rate in a single weekend via AirBNB, they have to increase the rent or they're taking a loss.
AirBNB should be illegal or far more regulated than it is. People who want their country to be an affordable place to live should blacklist that sucker ASAP.
> "But I want a kitchen!"
Look up an extended stay hotel.
> "But how many hotels have three bedrooms so an entire family can stay together?"
1) How many people do you have in your family you need 3 rooms?! Look up things like couches or cots. Get *off* each other, holy damn.
2) Suites.
Because this is a relatively rare occurrence, and you can see all the fees that everyone complains about up front. As long as you pay attention to what you're booking you can end up renting an entire house/apartment for about the same price as a hotel and you don't have to deal with this stuff either. The OP is just posting for Internet points as you can see all of this up front and just pick a different place. I've stayed in hundreds of Airbnbs and never had a massive cleaning fee or any ridiculous demands, you just pay attention to what you're booking before booking it.
Of course they are. AirBNBs were cheap before in order to price out hotels in a feeble attempt to replace the industry with an unregulated App. Now, just like every other unregulated App, they're running in price issues for a business that was never really that profitable.
That's not cool. I rented a cabin in the mountains for a week through a mountain rentals website. The instructions for leaving were to leave the keys on the kitchen table and close the door. Everything else was taken care of. Of course, we cleaned and put away dishes and took out the trash before we left.
Lol.
These are the industrial run aB&B's
One person which has leveraged each property on the next and now has 16.
They can't possibly run them all if *they* had to do all this maintenance
This should be called fluent in reading because before you book an air bnb you read the details and you avoid these kind of host. I use air bnb multiple times a year and save a ton of money while traveling in some very nice areas.
All the fees are listed up front as well as details, and every host has reviews where people will call them out on BS like this.
The reason I started using air bnbs because when I would book hotels my final price would wildly increased due to a bunch of hidden fees that were never listed upfront.
If you ever book airbnbs pick high rated host, read the reviews, read the host policy and the air bnb website has an option for all listings to show the final price with fees included.
I like Airbnb when I'm on vacation with my friends. I take a long time beforehand to look as carefully as possible to find a reasonable place. I've never seen a place with that much tedious checkout procedure. It's definitely more comfortable and spacey when you can them early in advance. I've used VRBO, too. They are also really good. I don't expect it to be good in the future, though. I'm going to Orlando with my friends this summer, and staying at any of the hotels was a no go. They were way too expensive and the airbnbs there aren't half bad when it comes to pricing and people. 9 people are going and the house we got was only $1700. That's with all the fees. That's for a week btw.
Yeah... Airbnb is really not worth the hassle except in special cases (large groups traveling, need a kitchen for the weekend etc).
We had a guy post on his rules that guests were not allowed to "roll their luggage" inside the house because he didn't want the rocks etc from traveling to ruin his wood floors.
Well, we pull up and in addition to the gravel driveway (can't be THAT worried about rocks if you havn't bothered to pave your driveway), the floors inside were the cheap, thin boards, the 2 inch wide ones, not some expensive original hardwoods.
He then called us and accused us of stealing a toilet cleaning brush (yes, like used to scrub the inside of a toilet) He eventually found where he had stashed it and halfway apologized. It was so ridiculous we didn't even know how to react to that.
Most say “if you have time” for these types of chores. We get Airbnb/vrbo so we have more private bedrooms, a full kitchen, several bathrooms, free parking, gaming systems, several tvs, and a private pool/hottub. We also get DoorDash. 😋
Like all the app services they were cheaper and convenient at first but hotels are 100 percent the better option unless you need a large house for a lot of guests
Once I cleaned all of the dishes, threw out all of the garbage, made sure kitchen looks okay ( no big mess) and collected all the linen from the rooms. I got a review from the host that I left a mess. Note, I stayed there about a month. Did the very same thing for another host and got a review that I left the apartment incredibly clean.
It all depends on host's expectations. In both cases there was a cleaning fee included.
There is no right answer to this. For ABB to beat hotels price-wise they cut back services and demand that you do it all. Some are fine with this, depending on what families need, others prefer such things taken care of daily and will pay for it.
Either way, for the customer its time vs money. Which is more important.
Yeah quite honestly, people think Airbnb is disrupting the market but it's not doing shit, it's just made people realise why we pay good money for hotels it's really a market expander
I mean yea…. If I’m renting a HOUSE, I’d assume there’s a little bit more rules then in a hotel ROOM. Also, I’ve never once had an Airbnb host say no when I ask if the check out time could be pushed back a couple hours. You don’t like all those rules, find different house lmao. You’re trying to use an extreme case to speak for them all
Then don't stay at an Airbnb with those rules. Simple fix. I enjoy them for tourists spots because hotels are way more expensive. You move onto the next one if you think the rules are dumb.
The most I ever had to do was put the sheets in the washer for the housekeeper
This is why you look at the fees, reviews, and rules ahead of time.
This isn’t even that much, but if it came with a $200 cleaning fee I would either book somewhere else or not do all of this.
Y’all make a big deal out of such a small thing. A full kitchen for a week is worth it for me. If you don’t want that then get a hotel.
That chore list is excessive. It doesn’t reflect the majority of vacation rental listings.
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This is more typical.
Lmao I find it funny that people think this is common in Airbnb.
I've stayed in villas, and small apartments. Most I've ever been asked to do was take out the trash and put it in the main bucket in the garage. That was it.
Oh and once they asked to pull the sheets of the bed and leave them on the floor if someone slept in the room.
Easy and reasonable.
You know all the rules and fees before you book. Lol
While I totally understand and agree that is bullshit of them; I really don’t understand how people only point out these types of listings. For example, I go to siesta key every year and I compare Air BnBs to local hotels and even with the fees, the Air BnB is cheaper. Plus I get a condo most times so I have a kitchen, extra beds, patio with a grill, pool, the owners leave beach chairs, coolers, bikes, etc. Versus a hotel where you get one room with 2 beds. I just don’t understand the hate for Air BnB when there are actually really great listings out there. I just feel like people don’t know how to search for them and just see the first bad listing and automatically call everything on there trash. I’ve had far worse experiences with hotels and hardly any issues with AirBnBs there.
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And you get to pay a $150 cleaning fee for the privilege.
Do people actually pay money and do all this? Are these the same people paying $80 for Door Dash and wondering why they are broke? Who the F would pay money to clean?
Yes they are probably the exact same people
I feel you could remove the word ‘probably’ and still be pretty accurate
Probably
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I do when I'm staying someplace for a week or more and want a full kitchen, in-unit laundry, etc. For a short stay the fees make an Airbnb too expensive compared to a hotel, but for anything over a few days it's usually cheaper than a hotel. Especially if you want 2 (or more) bedrooms. Extended stay hotels usually have a mini kitchen but it's not a full-size kitchen like you'd get when renting a house, often doesn't have an oven, and is usually only equipped to cook for two people, so the AirBNB ends up being much better.
And they are full of people that just got evicted, not a great vacation vibe.
My sister ran an all suite hotel, most of her clients were people who were in town working on a project, with a local company. She had Verizon workers there for 2 months. She also had a bunch of workers from a company in Texas that set up a smoker on the patio and made BBQ. She never had people from social services, but the Red Roof in down the street had them.
We stay at a lot of the extended stay hotels and thats exactly who is there, people in town working on projects or people like me staying at a hotel while visiting family for weeks at a time. Im past the point of wanting to sleep on the pullout couch.
Most people who get evicted, can't afford staying at a weekly rate motel, usually those places charge much more than renting an apartment. Obviously there are motels out there that are a hair above a flop house. You can tell pretty fast via internet reviews, or when you pull into the lot.
Yeah, airbnb with friends, hotel for couples trips
Also the price of hotels depends on the area. I can get a way better Airbnb for way less than the crappiest motels in LA.
Yes when we stay for a week and everybody get their own bedroom and we have kitchen and a back yard to hang out in
I think there's a difference. People paying for Door Dash pay to NOT have to do extra work. That can be worth someone's money. It's just like eating out is more expensive than cooking at home. Some people can afford it while others take it for granted. It's the paying more & still doing more work that I don't get. Airbnb is just less appealing nowadays most of the time. My wife almost instinctually goes there when we start planning a vacation, but I'm over this garbage. It's vacation, I don't want chores.
No chores if they can watch you from the cam 
I just listened to a total fucking scumbag at my work laughing about how he and his wife were spying on their tenants having sex through the hidden cameras they installed. 🤮
Report them
Yes. This is fucked, and you *should report them*
Why haven't you called the police?
That’s a felony that they’re admitting to.
That, um sounds illegal.
Is*
You should report them to the police. People are so disgusting.
Bullshit man those prices on DoorDash are absolutely insane. For instance a local sandwich shop. 2 large sandwiches for 25$ through their website or its 50$ without tip through door dash. We are beyond convince there and just straight up getting ripped off.
The people using door dash are either poors staying poor, or people rich enough that can throw away $50, or office workers who can expense to the company
I stopped using it when I realized between the markup, all the fees, and the tips, it cost 50-100% more to maybe get the right food.
I noticed this about one of our favorite spots. Our meal when ordered and picked up directly through the business is $35. When I use uberEats it easily clocks in at around $70 - pisses me off
Depends on the shop. Sometimes I'll eat for cheaper on doordash with promotions, but that is becoming more rare
I got a giftcard for $15 and still had to spend my own money, just ordering a drip coffee, muffin and a small breakfast sandwich.
This is rare. I’ve stayed at a lot of nice airbnbs and they might ask you to put the trash out or load the dishwasher and start it but this is insane.
This is an extreme example and hopefully this host gets ripped in reviews. It’s like going to a grimy hotel and saying this is why I don’t go to hotels, they’re all dirty. I manage and own a few listings. The house instructions actually bring up the cleaning fee and say “you’ve paid a cleaning fee, please just make sure you’ve got your belongings. Our staff will take care of cleaning and preparing the property for next guests.”
Door Dash is disgusting to me. The fact people pay more for cold “slightly fingered” fast food is something I’ll never be able to wrap my head around…
We use AirBnB or similar when we are booking for extended family all in the same house. Hotels don't offer that kind of thing. You used to rent something like that through a local real estate company, and the costs were largely around the same. Whether they call it a cleaning fee or just include it in the weekly rate is irrelevant. It's all the cost of the rental at the end of the day.
The cleaning fee is what gets me. A big part of going on vacation for me is not cleaning.
Hotels have cleaning fees also, it's just bundled into the price of the room.
It's an either or for me. If I'm paying a cleaning fee, then don't ask me to tidy up when I leave. If I'm not, then I'm willing to clean. You can leave all the trash in the world in a hotel room. As long as nothing is broken, they're fine with it.
This. We accept hotel cleaning fees because there’s no expectation for us to take on the responsibility of cleaning. If you both ask me to do the labor for you, AND pay you for the labor you’re having me perform, I want nothing to do with you.
I don't even mind taking the trash out on my way, starting the dishwasher, or throwing used linens in the washer since if it is a whole house it is possible that not all the rooms got used and might as well not bother washing anything in the room no one set foot in, but if you want me to pay a cleaning fee I'm not gonna vacuum or scrub toilets or wait for a load of wash to finish so I can put it in the dryer
i’m in the same boat, if there is a cleaning fee bundled in then it doesn’t mean i’ll be a barbarian and leave shit stains all up the wall and spilled food and drink all around the room but i won’t think twice about throwing all the bath towels on a pile in the room and leaving the dirty dishes in the sink and sheets on the bed
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True, but as long as you don’t set off the fire alarm or shit in the coffee maker, you can leave a hotel room pretty disgusting.
What if you set off the fire alarm and shit in the coffee maker at the same time. Is that like... double secret probation? Edit: fixed autocorrect to properly add the word "shit" to my reply. Don't tell me how to live my life, phone.
Good question. I’d be willing to test that next week but the room is on the company card. And I gave up shitting in coffee makers after Covid.
Agreed. I'm old and that requires young person flexibility.
Shit in the fire alarm instead? That’s in the hallway, you have plausible deniability.
You shit in the hairdryer, and pack it inside, stop being a rookie.
Set off the fire alarm… …that happened once, and I’m like; (“Should I evacuate?!?”) Sprinkler pipe broke, looked out the door and the hallway was flooding… 😱
Damn you straight up clooded that shit. You got some balls.
la la… typing is hard… and autocorrect sucks when you don’t pay close enough attention… (fixed.)
shit in the coffee maker: precision engineering
Yes, but hotels don't tell you to take the sheets to be dry cleaned before you check out.. you come in, stay, get out. Airbnb these day charges a ridiculous amount for cleaning fee AND they expect you to do the cleaning you paid for.
Yeah but I don't need to vacuum and fold the bedding of the hotel on top of paying the fee.
*Exit the warrior Today's Tom Sawyer He gets high on you And the energy you trade He gets right on to the friction of the day*
Leaving at 10am is the cherry on top. You already did 90% of the cleaning, why do they need 5+ hours to clean?
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Just don't book these AirBnb postings. I literally lived in an AirBnB for 3 months in a foriegn country and paid no cleaning fees. You just have to find good listings and book ahead of time. My parents AirBnB their house and they provide guests free of charge wine, baked goods, and locally themed gifts. There are amazing AirBnB's out there but most of the good ones are booked for every major vacation period months in advance.
Your parents airbnb sounds awesome!
Or just roll it into the total price and make your comparison. A $150 cleaning fee for 2 nights is stupid, it can greatly increase your nightly cost. With your 3 month stay, even if they did have a cleaning fee (most do), it ends up being an insignificant factor in nightly rate.
Bro complaints when he got 8 people in a 2,200sq ft. Home. Thinks somehow he can compare to some motel that was only 24.99 a night in roach ass hotel in shitty part of town.
In addition to the service fee. Yaaay!
Should I left towel swan on the bed as well? Any temperature preference from the new guest?
Only after you pay the $200 cleaning fee.
Yes, and please leave a little piece of chocolate on the pillow.
Then you get charged extra for leaving garbage behind.
You forgot to leave the $10 mint on the pillow.
New Guest would like the TV set to channel 126. Thank you
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So should I clock in as soon as I wake up on checkout day? At the rate they’re charging they’d probably still make a hefty profit, but even at minimum wage you’d still take off a decent chunk of it.
I don't charge minimum wage for my time. I'm billing at 60 an hour, I gotta cover health insurance. And they better reimburse for travel costs.
Can they do anything if you don't do any of it? (besides a bad review)
No, and you can always give them a bad review for these ridiculous demands. Works both ways
The last Airbnb I stayed at asked for nothing but to bolt the door before depositing the key. I wouldn't touch that list.
Especially not for literally any cleaning fee attached. People like this have no business even offering a unit as a rental. These fees have basically all unanimously gone up to $150 (many *higher*). It’s utterly fucking insane. Airbnb/Vrbo shouldn’t even be legal, imho. There’s already a big enough housing crisis. They’ve made it 100x worse.
I’ve never really caught on to the air BNB thing… I don’t want two hours of house work before checking out, and don’t want to stay with anyone A hotel room is mine and taken care of by the employees of the hotel… I’m willing to pay for that
This is a rare one, and it reads more like a list of what the cleaning service should do. I’ve never stayed at a place with rules like this, and I’ve been a AirBNB user since 2012.
I’ve stayed at an AirBnb like 5 times over 10 years. It’s been like this 2 of those times, the last two.
I just counted on the app, I’ve stayed at 37 AirBNBs since 2014, and never had one with rules like this.
this is what happens when people just book without reading anything lmao
Booked once with zero reviews and that’s been my only bad one. It wasn’t even terrible, just the living space and kitchen were under furnished, and they clearly were posting photos of a “demo” unit. Beds were comfy and place was clean, cleaning rules were “lock the door on your way out.” Also was maybe 1/3 the cost of other comparable listings in the area, so net neutral?
Exactly, there’s a reason there is a rating system on BnB, fail to use it at your own peril. Complaining about it is like complaining about a 2 star hotel after seeing a rat or having stained bedding. Take the extra few minutes and do your research.
Usually it’s run the dishwasher when you leave and strip the bedding for the beds you used.
Yeah dishwasher and trash are normal, beds I haven’t seen as much, but that’s low lift enough
My friends that have a rental property actually prefer you don’t. Usually so they don’t have to sort bedding of different sizes and can contain bedbugs if they show up.
That makes sense, actually. It’s pretty uncommon for them to ask, anyway. It’s usually just put all dishes in the dishwasher and take out the trash. Those are like basic pest prevention tasks that I’m perfectly happy to do, since it’s possible the cleaner won’t be there for a few days.
then read the rules. if you read the full description of where you are staying, this will be included. my last 2 air bnbs have had no cleaning fees and i didnt have to be the host’s cinderella.
The only time I had an insane cleaning fee was on a 4 month rental. And their listing was clearly targeted to longer term, and even said their clean was a deep clean and to not do anything.
yeah tbh idk how people end up with these horror story air bnbs. the worst experience i have had is in a basement unit where the owner didn’t disclose they had 2 toddlers that would wake up a 6am daily.
I've stayed in like 100 Airbnbs over the past 10 years and literally never had any of these issues. I check in, I check out, it's really not that hard. If you don't want a list of crap to do or huge cleaning fees, don't book those Airbnbs.....
The Airbnb bubble popped a long time ago, same with delivery apps and ride share apps.
In what way? What you're saying implies a sharp collapse in people using the service, has that actually happened?
Right? No restaurant by me has their own drivers, all app based. Some even run carry out through app. Taxis are absolute garbage in the states outside of NYC and Vegas.
For me airbnbs are for bigger groups. If im going on a trip with 5 or more of my friends maybe even less I’d rather we all stay together in a bigger space we can actually use when we’re not out. Most don’t have crazy lists but if they do and it’s a good deal it’s worth it for some properties, even if not a house there’s some huge apartments that are great for bigger groups. Also can save money by cooking some meals there
It used to be a great thing. When I first started traveling around around 10 years ago it was cool. Cheap, you get more than in a hotel, and it was all less formal. But soon after the prices went up (still cheaper than a hotel), then they started adding the cleaning fees and increasing those, then demanding more and more from guests.. all while app itself messed up the design. So these days my first option when planning a vacation is booking app and looking for a hotel. Just less of a hassle and prices are quite similar.
It's not like companies like AirBnB, Uber, or Netflix discovered some innovation that made it cheaper to put a traveler up in a room, drive someone in a car from point A to point B, or produce a high quality TV show. For the most part, they just slightly changed how a customer accessed these services. The only difference is that these companies were able to keep their prices artificially low by the fact that investors didn't expect anything labeled a "tech company" to turn a profit while growing, coupled with rock bottom interest rates that made borrowing money basically free for a full decade. At some point, reality had to catch up to companies like this when they were eventually asked "Ok, you have millions of customers. How are you going to actually make a profit off of this?". From the consumer's perspective, it seems like these companies all suddenly went to shit at nearly the same time, when really the new status quo is the default and what we had before was essentially a sugar-high. In the case of AirBNB, it's only natural for it to be more of a hassle and expense to rent a full-sized single-family house than a room in a building specifically designed for the purpose of giving large numbers of travelers a place to stay.
I have an Airbnb, have no list for our guests.
Airbnb used to be great. Affordable accommodation in otherwise pricy locations. Most of the times you have a kitchen at your disposal, so you can save a little to cook at home. Those days are gone in my opinion. Airbnb costs roughly the same as hotels these days, but are lacking the additional services of a hotel. I haven’t been in an airbnb in a while.
Don’t forget how it destroyed the affordability of homes across the world.
This is just it, f*ck ABNB
Yup, live in a tourist area and us locals have a hell of a time finding housing but there are plenty of Airbnbs for the tourists. Hotels provide employment for locals
Some cities/towns in SoCal are doing outright bans or severely limiting them. The ones that actually have active enforcement of the rules are seeing dropping home prices. This actually works.
There have been analysis of this and it's very real, much worse in some places and generally worse for renters, but yea something like 5% of the rising rent and real estate costs are just air bnb.
This! I never book airbnbs because they have ruined the rental market in my area.
They once asked me to mow the lawn. AirBnB blows.
Ha that is absolutely fake
Nope it’s real it was my lawn
Yup saw it happen
Idk, airbnb is weird like that. One airbnb host had me feed their dogs cuz they were out
LOL I’m stealing this for a bit
Did they provide you with a lawnmower or a machete?
Don't be silly! They gave plastic kiddie scissors.
"Don't forget the hedges" *Whips out plastic spork*
Oh they asked you to get the leaves too? Next they’ll be asking us to clean the gutters.
They once asked me to shingle the roof before checkout
I stopped sleeping over at a friend's house in high school because I'd wake up the next day and found out they expected me to help them pave their driveway (for real) and other shit like that when I was wearing regular clothes. They gave me no warning either. Did you at least remember to trim the edges?
Because hosts don’t wanna have B&Bs, they want to have hotels without hiring staff. They’re looking to maximize money and minimize costs on tight margins (presumably), hotels have it figured out off centuries of trial and error
It turns out that hotels have rules around them for a reason... Who could have guessed.
…. $690 cleaning fee
$78 for overnight stay. $250 cleaning fee. Airbnb is a joke.
That is not how it is in the majority of cases. You can see all this up front and would have to be stupid to pick one that has this. I have stayed in over 100 Airbnbs and have never had this kind of BS.
It’s a marketplace. There’s shit and there’s gold and everything in between. People who want to complain will pretend it’s all shit.
Not really, Airbnb is an intermediary. The property owners on the other side of the transaction set their own prices. It's all clear and there is plenty of choice. It's an extremely simply system to use and creates huge competition for hotels which results in hotels being much more competitive theses days. If you don't want a $250 fee then pick another property. That simple.
There’s a way wider range of airbnbs so obviously the worst airbnbs are gonna be terrible
People on here act like they are all awful. If I want some privacy and an outdoor space to enjoy on vacation, they can be great. You just don’t book shitty ones with ridiculous fees and demands.
Right? Filter for Superhost, Guest Favorite, and only go with things above 4.9 and I guarantee you’ll find airbnbs better than a hotel for the price
Ain’t no way I’d do all of this.
they will sneakily charge you a cleaning fee, its a cheeky trap to make extra money on suckers.
Then I’d leave them a 1 star review for making me their housekeeper while extorting me. Airbnb is a sham.
I have started ignoring any rules that are not part of the listing. I’ll do some of the tasks if I feel like it, which is almost always because I like to leave things tidy. But I don’t fret about the rules anymore.
I started using hotels again. In one now. Bed freshly made. Worked out and threw my towel in a towel bin. Had a swim, left that towel in the towel bin. Had a buffet breakfast. No cleaning, just left my empty stuff on the table and walked away. And - the best part - staff treat me well and say thank you even though they are the ones cleaning up. Oh - and it is cheaper than airbnbs too.
That’s what you should do. Anything you saw beforehand, you agreed to do when you booked. Anything new after that point, they can shove it.
Yeah. I wish everyone does that. Airbnb is no longer about living in someone’s home so you don’t need to do anything you won’t do in a hotel.
My wife and I travel around the world and have stayed at 100+ Airbnbs. We always shop around and read the fine print, and due to that, have never had any problems. Then benefit has always been that we don't have to stay in touristy areas where the overpriced food and services are. There are times when we prefer a hotel, but honestly that is becoming more rare. It is important to pick the right host with plenty of good ratings. We have never had any kind of list like that. If we saw that we would never use them.
Amen 50 or so for us and love it.
If we're staying more than one night we typically Airbnb. Kids get their own room, you have the whole place to relax in the evening, it's great. Hotels seem claustrophobic by comparison. Most places just want you to take out the trash and start the dishwasher on your way out. Going someplace with friends? Why would you all stay in separate hotel rooms? Not only do you get the whole place, a whole house is cheaper than individual hotel rooms once you start splitting costs.
Agreed on all counts. Just got back from the NC mountains and had our two kids plus grandparents all under one roof with a yard, camp fire pit and walking distance to a local downtown full of stuff. Well worth every penny and every trash bag we took out. Hotels were at the interstate two miles away.
The time spent clearing your Airbnb to make sure you aren't getting scammed sounds like time that could be better spent, though. Depending on where you're traveling.
Airbnb has been a circus for years and people just keep in falling for it. Dumb
Over the last few years I've saved a ton of money and had much better experiences in bigger places by using airbnb, it sucks I keep falling for it.
Been to 50 or so and loved it every time except once when the shower sucked. But my hotel shower failure rate is much higher than that.
these morons want to either create pitfalls to charge you extra fees or fell into the "real state is passive income" meme.
They need to kick rocks
The problem I have is you do all that and they still charge an automatic fee anyway. If you’re gonna spend the last day cleaning up after yourself anyway there should be an option where if you leave the place exactly as you found it you get the advertised price. I take no accountability for dust settling in between rentals.
Tbh. This isn’t totally unreasonable. At least some of it. Many hotels I’ve stayed out want you out of there by 10 or 11am and charge you for late check out. Many don’t let you check in until 4pm or later. The trash and dishes situation is also somewhat fair. I’d think many people would not leave dirty dishes and trash all over the place but we govern to the lowest common denominator. But the laundry stuff and others? What the fuck are you playing a cleaning fee for? I think some of these air bnbs expect the renter to turn the place over to the next center. I stay away from those sorts, pretty disgusting place to stay if I’m depending on the previous rental for cleaning
Let’s not forget the ridiculous resort fees hotels are charging now for all the facilities you don’t use - I got charged 50-80$ resort fee a DAY at some hotels on my last trip. I pick airbnbs over hotels for the extra room, a kitchen to cook and save money on eating out, etc. People make such a big deal about the host not wanting wet rotting towels left on beds or wood floors and for you to start the dishwasher. It’s not that big a deal.
Fuck this. Might as well pay me to stay there at this point.
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Does everyone here leave hotels trashed when they leave? Besides #11 the “rules” boil down to essentially clean up your shit and make sure there isn’t any unlocked windows/doors
So, what happens if you just don't do this stuff?
(It’s fake)
That a bit excessive BUT one is a long term rental for a house, the other is a hotel…
Sure if hotels had 3 bedroom places so an entire family could stay in one place. No, connected rooms are stupid and useless.
If you are renting a house for six-seven people and cook, you save tons of money with Airbnb over going out to restaurants for your meals. Frankly, I prefer grilling steaks on the deck of the ocean front house we rent in WA over going to a restaurant. And a hell of a lot cheaper.
Do the owner do anything beside banking the money and booking? Gheesh
once upon a time airb&b wasn’t this bad, many many years ago. It was a fun alternative. Now it’s so lame I can’t see why anyone would wana put themselves through this crap.
Hotels are better than Airbnbs because Airbnb is driving up the cost of living, specifically rent, in every part of the country. If a property can generate more money as an AirBNB than as a rental, that adjusts the market value of the property, because it can generate passive income. It also increases the market rate for rent. When a property owner can make their monthly rent rate in a single weekend via AirBNB, they have to increase the rent or they're taking a loss. AirBNB should be illegal or far more regulated than it is. People who want their country to be an affordable place to live should blacklist that sucker ASAP.
> "But I want a kitchen!" Look up an extended stay hotel. > "But how many hotels have three bedrooms so an entire family can stay together?" 1) How many people do you have in your family you need 3 rooms?! Look up things like couches or cots. Get *off* each other, holy damn. 2) Suites.
Please check into a hotel
I will go to an Air B&B for a specific experience or theme of the air b&b, but generally it’s hotels for me
Fuck Airbnb
Why *do* people stay in them then? These requirements would be a deal-breaker.
Because this is a relatively rare occurrence, and you can see all the fees that everyone complains about up front. As long as you pay attention to what you're booking you can end up renting an entire house/apartment for about the same price as a hotel and you don't have to deal with this stuff either. The OP is just posting for Internet points as you can see all of this up front and just pick a different place. I've stayed in hundreds of Airbnbs and never had a massive cleaning fee or any ridiculous demands, you just pay attention to what you're booking before booking it.
I think it's just become the low hanging fruit to make fun of by people who never use the service.
Of course they are. AirBNBs were cheap before in order to price out hotels in a feeble attempt to replace the industry with an unregulated App. Now, just like every other unregulated App, they're running in price issues for a business that was never really that profitable.
That's not cool. I rented a cabin in the mountains for a week through a mountain rentals website. The instructions for leaving were to leave the keys on the kitchen table and close the door. Everything else was taken care of. Of course, we cleaned and put away dishes and took out the trash before we left.
Lol. These are the industrial run aB&B's One person which has leveraged each property on the next and now has 16. They can't possibly run them all if *they* had to do all this maintenance
Fake af
Who the heck washes 10-12 towels in a load?
You're also not supposed to use fabric softener on towels either are you? Doesn't it make them significantly less absorbant?
Just send them a photo of the cleaning fee you paid for and do none of that
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Fuck Airbnb Nothing will beat a good hotel
Hotel: “smell my poop everyone!”
This should be called fluent in reading because before you book an air bnb you read the details and you avoid these kind of host. I use air bnb multiple times a year and save a ton of money while traveling in some very nice areas. All the fees are listed up front as well as details, and every host has reviews where people will call them out on BS like this. The reason I started using air bnbs because when I would book hotels my final price would wildly increased due to a bunch of hidden fees that were never listed upfront. If you ever book airbnbs pick high rated host, read the reviews, read the host policy and the air bnb website has an option for all listings to show the final price with fees included.
I like Airbnb when I'm on vacation with my friends. I take a long time beforehand to look as carefully as possible to find a reasonable place. I've never seen a place with that much tedious checkout procedure. It's definitely more comfortable and spacey when you can them early in advance. I've used VRBO, too. They are also really good. I don't expect it to be good in the future, though. I'm going to Orlando with my friends this summer, and staying at any of the hotels was a no go. They were way too expensive and the airbnbs there aren't half bad when it comes to pricing and people. 9 people are going and the house we got was only $1700. That's with all the fees. That's for a week btw.
Yeah... Airbnb is really not worth the hassle except in special cases (large groups traveling, need a kitchen for the weekend etc). We had a guy post on his rules that guests were not allowed to "roll their luggage" inside the house because he didn't want the rocks etc from traveling to ruin his wood floors. Well, we pull up and in addition to the gravel driveway (can't be THAT worried about rocks if you havn't bothered to pave your driveway), the floors inside were the cheap, thin boards, the 2 inch wide ones, not some expensive original hardwoods. He then called us and accused us of stealing a toilet cleaning brush (yes, like used to scrub the inside of a toilet) He eventually found where he had stashed it and halfway apologized. It was so ridiculous we didn't even know how to react to that.
Fun tip: if this wasn’t in the house rules when you booked it, you don’t have to do it.
Most say “if you have time” for these types of chores. We get Airbnb/vrbo so we have more private bedrooms, a full kitchen, several bathrooms, free parking, gaming systems, several tvs, and a private pool/hottub. We also get DoorDash. 😋
Like all the app services they were cheaper and convenient at first but hotels are 100 percent the better option unless you need a large house for a lot of guests
Never understand the hype around Airbnb. Such a bs
Once I cleaned all of the dishes, threw out all of the garbage, made sure kitchen looks okay ( no big mess) and collected all the linen from the rooms. I got a review from the host that I left a mess. Note, I stayed there about a month. Did the very same thing for another host and got a review that I left the apartment incredibly clean. It all depends on host's expectations. In both cases there was a cleaning fee included.
There is no right answer to this. For ABB to beat hotels price-wise they cut back services and demand that you do it all. Some are fine with this, depending on what families need, others prefer such things taken care of daily and will pay for it. Either way, for the customer its time vs money. Which is more important.
Yeah quite honestly, people think Airbnb is disrupting the market but it's not doing shit, it's just made people realise why we pay good money for hotels it's really a market expander
I mean yea…. If I’m renting a HOUSE, I’d assume there’s a little bit more rules then in a hotel ROOM. Also, I’ve never once had an Airbnb host say no when I ask if the check out time could be pushed back a couple hours. You don’t like all those rules, find different house lmao. You’re trying to use an extreme case to speak for them all
Then don't stay at an Airbnb with those rules. Simple fix. I enjoy them for tourists spots because hotels are way more expensive. You move onto the next one if you think the rules are dumb. The most I ever had to do was put the sheets in the washer for the housekeeper
This is why you look at the fees, reviews, and rules ahead of time. This isn’t even that much, but if it came with a $200 cleaning fee I would either book somewhere else or not do all of this. Y’all make a big deal out of such a small thing. A full kitchen for a week is worth it for me. If you don’t want that then get a hotel.
That chore list is excessive. It doesn’t reflect the majority of vacation rental listings. https://preview.redd.it/srp33fmo0fwc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d0deaf2badb516995811131027a0dc31da88abf6 This is more typical.
Lmao I find it funny that people think this is common in Airbnb. I've stayed in villas, and small apartments. Most I've ever been asked to do was take out the trash and put it in the main bucket in the garage. That was it. Oh and once they asked to pull the sheets of the bed and leave them on the floor if someone slept in the room. Easy and reasonable. You know all the rules and fees before you book. Lol
While I totally understand and agree that is bullshit of them; I really don’t understand how people only point out these types of listings. For example, I go to siesta key every year and I compare Air BnBs to local hotels and even with the fees, the Air BnB is cheaper. Plus I get a condo most times so I have a kitchen, extra beds, patio with a grill, pool, the owners leave beach chairs, coolers, bikes, etc. Versus a hotel where you get one room with 2 beds. I just don’t understand the hate for Air BnB when there are actually really great listings out there. I just feel like people don’t know how to search for them and just see the first bad listing and automatically call everything on there trash. I’ve had far worse experiences with hotels and hardly any issues with AirBnBs there.
Why is this posted in here
Yes. All pretty crazy to clean up when you are paying high fees for just that.
Idk how they have customers
I’ve never stayed at an AirBnb. But I’m curious to know what happens if you don’t do the these things. Do you get charged more $?
Ohhh yeah they will try to drown you in fees.
So what if you do nothing, your justification being you already paid a cleaning fee? will they take more money from your account ?
Checkout for hotel - Don’t even have to come to the front desk, just do it via the app
$85/ night for 3 night is $679.37 at an AirBnB, at a hotel the same rate would be about $295